Post: #76

A mass shooting is defined as 4 or more being shot.

In 2017 Chicago had 20 incidents where 4 people were shot. Chicago is leading the country in mass shootings.

But luckily the press protects that Zionist fuck Rahm Emanuel. And no term limits so he'll be fucking Chicago for a few more years.

https://heyjackass.com/2017-multi-victim-shootings/

Post: #77

< 90%-95%+ of all such shootings would be eliminated if:

1) Stable families and patriarchy came roaring back with women being given enough time in single-payer families to take care of children.
2) All violence inducing psychotropics would be banned

You could add other issues by hitting hard against government agencies creating false flags attacks or doing various botched operations for political gain - that would also take care of some of the shootings.

Post: #78

Zero hedge article with screen cap of youtube comment; excellent editorial comment from ZH.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-1...ify-person

Post: #79

(02-15-2018 09:12 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  http://kellybroganmd.com/the-violence-in...edication/

Quote:The Violence-Inducing Effects of Psychiatric Medication

Kelly Brogan, MD, WB

Post: #80

Except for extreme cases, psychiatric medication should be avoided at all costs. Everyone wants an easy solution to their problems, and it doesn't take any work to pop some pills that fuck with your mind and make people zombies.

A much better solution is putting yourself in uncomfortable situations (it's the only way to get better/gain confidence), eating well, getting enough sleep and keeping your body and mind active. It will be more painful in the short-term, but people would be so much happier long-term. Of course, this means less money for cocksucker pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and doctors, so we couldn't have people being healthy and happy the natural way. Modern medicine is all about keeping patients as repeat customers instead of fixing the actual problem.

I've also heard that these medications lower sex drives, which is a good way to neuter men even more.

Post: #81

They were saying earlier they hadn't gotten all the bodies out of the school yet. Jesus Christ...

Post: #82

America should have gun laws like in Germany. In Germany, you actually have to be a responsible citizen, be trained, educated, mentally healthy and have a license to own a gun. We are willing to do this for cars, but not for guns. In Germany, every responsible citizen has a right to have a gun. In America, every idiot has the right to have a gun. There is a difference. It's actually the same cultural madness of equality on steroids that affects the liberals: "Everyone has rights with no standards allowed". Also, the FBI, meds, or even the McDonald's Filet-O-Fish burger are not responsible for this.

https://www.thelocal.de/20160616/five-th...ntrol-laws

Post: #83

http://time.com/5160819/parkland-shooter...ist-group/

No evidence, no photos, nada, just a claim from this guy that this hispanic kid was a white supremacist. LOL!

Post: #84

(02-15-2018 02:36 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  http://time.com/5160819/parkland-shooter...ist-group/

No evidence, no photos, nada, just a claim from this guy that this hispanic kid was a white supremacist. LOL!

This Hispanic being a white supermacist is as believable as the FBI's claim that they couldn't identify who posted the comment on YouTube.

Post: #85

http://wivb.com/2018/02/15/white-nationa...as-member/

Quote: The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.

Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press on Thursday that his group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. He said his group holds “spontaneous random demonstrations” and tries not to participate in the modern world.

Jereb said he didn’t know Cruz personally and that “he acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he’s solely responsible for what he just did.”

He also said he had “trouble with a girl” and he believed the timing of the attack, carried out on Valentine’s Day, wasn’t a coincidence.

Nineteen-year-old Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder in the shooting.

First of all - we have countless times proven that most White Nationalist groups' leaders are undercover cops or FBI agents. Of course he is going to come out with that.

Whether they accepted him is another thing - there is literally zero evidence online of any of that. The youth nowadays post the shit when they are ideologically motivated. That is why I don't think that he was a Muslim convert - posting Allahu Akbar and even researching how to join ISIS is not evidence of a particular ideology permeating him. He would have posted much much more as a new convert willing to die for Allah.

But what is more interesting from Red Pill terms is that had trouble getting laid and picked Valentine's day for his massacre!

Also = Attacking his own high school and shooting down white girls is not something a "White Supremacist" would have done.

Post: #86

GoingTheDistance, you attempted to add to the discussion with data, but you ended up detracting from it. I suggest you take a probability and statistics class as you made some basic mistakes:

(02-15-2018 04:30 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  The quoted texts are from Beyond Borders replies to my conclusion a few posts up.

Quote:Unless I missed it, none of your thesis explains why these three factors affect whites in this particular way when other races in America are exposed to the same three factors.

I went with whites because the shooting that happened today was another white person (though he did have a Spanish surname, could've been a Spaniard), the majority of the mass shootings in the USA seem to be from white people (though again pretty proportional to our overall population in the USA) and because I'm white so I thought I would address it.

Really, what I found researching this was that it applies to males and not really just white males. Perhaps I should've written males instead, though I do think this is a big problem in the white community that we have as well.

You went with whites because you have a clear bias. Nobody without a bias would assume that a guy with the name "Nikolas Cruz" would be white. If you'd stated "the media said he was white" or "the media pushes the idea that most mass shooters are white" then you'd have an understandable theory to prove/disprove, but instead you went with pure bias.

I'm actually surprised you haven't received any vitriol for this bias many would call racist in nature. As the shooter's race isn't really confirmed it's really hard to draw any conclusion on the race topic. However, there are media reports from multiple sources that state he was very troubled and was mentally ill. Heavy has a fairly thorough page on the guy, as always consult multiple sources and try to verify.

(02-15-2018 04:30 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

Quote:You keep saying the words "white American" but not tying the "white" aspect into your explanation.

Yeah again maybe I should've went with "males" since that's what my research showed. But again, whites do commit the majority of the mass shootings no matter how you define them, and I do think it's a problem in our community that needs to be addressed.

You can't go two sentences without making a statement that is completely deceiving because it's not statistically relevant. As others have pointed out, any particular race could be a small or large portion of "mass shootings" but without stating a race's impact in the context of their proportion of society, it's meaningless.

As others have stated, if Japanese made up the majority of mass shootings in Japan it would be far less meaningful than if they made up the majority of mass shootings in Tennessee.

Stating numbers that have no real meaning without context AS IF THEY DO HAVE MEANING is dishonest and a trash post to make in this or any thread on this forum.

(02-15-2018 04:30 AM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  

Quote:In other ethnic groups, such as with blacks and latinos, you'll find violence, to be sure. But it tends to be the type of violence normalized by their tribe or culture. Not to minimize the effect of that violence on society, but while it may look deranged, it is not deranged within the realities they live in.

I would argue that same violent culture exists within whites too. But yes, it's not part of the mainstream white American culture. The "acting white" phrase that black and hispanic Americans often use to mock other people from their same minority groups for doing good in society didn't come from nowhere.

You argue that the same violent culture exists within whites but then state that it's not part of the mainstream white American culture. If it's not part of the mainstream then it's not significant. If it's not significant, why are you trying to argue that the amount of violence in each culture is the same (or that white culture has a higher amount of it)?

You won't last long here whether you're white, brown, black, yellow, etc... if you race-bait with disingenuous analysis.

Post: #87

This white whatever group reaching out to media to say that's cruz has marched with them is blizzard.

Why would anyone in any group want this kid associated with them?

Somethings wrong here. Of course the ADL is all over it. Something else is that nothing on this kid has revealed any real political association or rhetoric. Reminds me of the Vegas shooting.

Post: #88

My U.S gun law history is weak. Can anyone explain to me why shootings like this weren’t common back in the 60s/70s. Does gun law have anything to do with it or is a cultural phenomenon?

Post: #89

(02-15-2018 12:44 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Jesus............. People off all races on my Facebook (specially the comment sections) are GOING OFF on a tangent about how he was taken into custody alive. I imagine he was taken in to custody alive cause he snuck out with the other kids and didn't have any firearms on him when he was apprehended. But instead its comment after comment about "White privilege"

Yeah, my feed is going crazy as well. Lots of chatter about this being the 45th mass shooting since the start of 2018..

Am I missing something ?

Post: #90

You guys need to remember that to liberals mental illness is the new black.

Everybody liberal in America wants to suffer from mental illness. Its the cool thing to do. Why do you think autism rates are so high nowadays? Because having a mentally I'll kid is a badge of honor for these people.

Guess what, all you gotta do is head to a doctor (preferably a female with an ethnic name) tell her you are feeling blue, and here's your prozac.

The reason people are going after guns is because Pfizer has way better marketing than Glock. How many recent college grads have "pharmaceutical sales" jobs? The drug companies have an army of these folks going around making ng sure every doctor pushes their shit as much as possible.

And don't get me started in the VA. I could walk in there right now and walk out with a thousand dollars street value worth of shit.

The point is, tall ng anyone progressive that psych drugs are the problem is not gonna get you very far.

Aloha!

Post: #91

(02-15-2018 04:02 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  My U.S gun law history is weak. Can anyone explain to me why shootings like this weren’t common back in the 60s/70s. Does gun law have anything to do with it or is a cultural phenomenon?

Jordan Peterson has a pretty good breakdown of nihilsm in culture and a lack of connection to society which causes this. There has also been a significant decline when it comes to cultural values and community as well.

Of course the psych meds angle should not be ignored either. I think it's a combination of factors.

It's just amazing how massive shootings like this happen on a semi annual basis and people tend to forget about it soon after.

Even the Las Vegas shooting is old news now and noone ever mentions it in the mainstream. I remember when Columbine happened and it caused a major cultural ripple where people talked about it for years and there were dozens of cultural references to it everywhere.

These days..things get memory holed fast. It would take another 9/11 type event to really cause the same cultural effect as Columbine did.

Post: #92

Looks like they're going the White Supremacist paramilitary group option.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nikolas+...irefox-b-1

Post: #93

Well, it appears my post didn't go over so well. To clarify a few points:

1. I saw a picture of the guy somewhere when I said that he was white. But yes, I didn't fact check to see if he was hispanic or middle eastern or African white, I just saw the color of his skin and it looked white to me. My mistake.

2. Regardless of what color he is, mass shootings are still a problem in the white community. Posters keep replying along the lines of (not exact quotes) "In proportion to the white population of the USA they do not commit more mass shootings in relation to other races". Yes, I understand that. I mentioned that in my OP. My point is, even if these mass shootings are in proportion to the overall white population at large, it is still a problem in our community in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

Sure, it's a problem in other communities as well. I'm not part of other communities though so I can't comment on that. I think Beyond Borders added the white perspective on perhaps why white mass shootings may occur very nicely to my conclusion - which was that single households are playing a big part in this problem.

3. I admitted that in my original post, perhaps I should have used the word "Male" instead of "white" in my thesis. This is my second time in this thread admitting this.

4. To AndroidOcean and NomadBrah who accused me of race trolling - I tried to hash out my thoughts in the clearest way possible with stats. This is the second time in this thread where I am admitting there were some flaws in my original post.

To AndroidOcean, there's no need to tell me that I "won't last here long race-baiting with disingenuous analysis". I tried to hash out my thoughts, I already admitted there were mistakes in what I wrote in previous posts. You're not expected to get it right 100% of the time when you posts on here, so stop your concern trolling.

By the same token, my conclusion was that fatherless and single parent households lead to an increase risk in mental illness, which in my opinion (though I can't find facts on this when I google search) is correlating to mass shootings. Kaotic and Zelscorpion mentioned similar things about how damaging single parent households are in their posts.

I'm not sure why BeyondBorders apologized for breaking down my conclusion even further by applying it to whites, I thought it was a great addition to my post.

So while my original posts had some mistakes in it, there are forum leaders here who agreed with my conclusion. Feel free to disagree with me if you don't think that this is a problem (but not limited to) in the white community.

Yes, I should have put "but not limited to" in the OP. If the forum decides that this Cruz guy is not white enough to be considered white then perhaps my OP didn't belong here, though I think my conclusion was relevant to the discussion.

Man one last thing. The pictures of this guy are out. To most people in the USA, this guy would be considered white. When I see someone like this guy or Roosh, I see a white person and I think most other average Joe Americans do too.

Post: #94

It looks like Cruz was a Trump supporter.

   

pic is from his instagram.

Post: #95

(02-15-2018 03:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  http://wivb.com/2018/02/15/white-nationa...as-member/

Quote: The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.

Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press on Thursday that his group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. He said his group holds “spontaneous random demonstrations” and tries not to participate in the modern world.

Jereb said he didn’t know Cruz personally and that “he acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he’s solely responsible for what he just did.”

First of all - we have countless times proven that most White Nationalist groups' leaders are undercover cops or FBI agents. Of course he is going to come out with that.

Whether they accepted him is another thing - there is literally zero evidence online of any of that. The youth nowadays post the shit when they are ideologically motivated. That is why I don't think that he was a Muslim convert - posting Allahu Akbar and even researching how to join ISIS is not evidence of a particular ideology permeating him. He would have posted much much more as a new convert willing to die for Allah.

But what is more interesting from Red Pill terms is that had trouble getting laid and picked Valentine's day for his massacre!

Also = Attacking his own high school and shooting down white girls is not something a "White Supremacist" would have done.

@ the bolded part. There is approximately a 0% chance Florida could ever be a "white-ethno state" the idea is completely laughable, probably even to the most die-hard of Klan members. Florida is demographically so far beyond having anything resembling a white majority that it's hilarious, it's impossible. It would probably be easier to get Cubans, Puerto Ricans & Mexicans to get along and organize a latin militia to create a "hispanic ethno-state" in Florida than it would to create a white ethno-state. Not to mention the huge populations of african americans, asians, and other minorities in Florida. Even if you went to a flyover state like Iowa or Kansas or something and tried that, it's still laughable....Catholic "Charities" and our benevolent leaders have been seeding every state with pockets of foreigners for decades now.

You would have to be off the planet mentally or an undercover fed to even say such a ridiculous thing. I'm betting on the latter as well.

Post: #96

(02-15-2018 04:40 PM)Chowder Head Wrote:  It looks like Cruz was a Trump supporter.



pic is from his instagram.

I've read the ANTIFA was creating IG accounts claiming to be the shooter and putting MAGA gear in it to draw relation between MAGA and the shooter.

Take anything from there with a grain of salt.

To be fair, I've also seen a pic going around that showed a guy who looks similar to shooter (but likely isn't) in commie ANTIFA type gear.

Both sides are using this for an agenda which isn't surprising.

The kid looks Cuban with the light skin and green eyes but if he isn't black or Arab, then the media will say he's white just like George Zimmerman was categorized as a white man. I'm not getting into a conversation as to who is "white" but his name Nikolas Jesus de la Cruz is not a "white" name in the public mind. However, I see that the media is leaving out "Jesus de la" just so that the message of him being "white" to the population is hammered into the public conscious.

Post: #97

(02-15-2018 04:33 PM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  Well, it appears my post didn't go over so well. To clarify a few points:

1. I saw a picture of the guy somewhere when I said that he was white. But yes, I didn't fact check to see if he was hispanic or middle eastern or African white, I just saw the color of his skin and it looked white to me. My mistake.

I applaud people admitting that they made a mistake, but the fact remains that you made a very lengthy post without the minimum of effort to seek out his race instead of assuming it.

(02-15-2018 04:33 PM)GoingTheDistance Wrote:  2. Regardless of what color he is, mass shootings are still a problem in the white community. Posters keep replying along the lines of (not exact quotes) "In proportion to the white population of the USA they do not commit more mass shootings in relation to other races". Yes, I understand that. I mentioned that in my OP. My point is, even if these mass shootings are in proportion to the overall white population at large, it is still a problem in our community in my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

No. If it's not occurring for whites any more than it is for other races, then it is clearly not a white problem, but a societal problem. The fact that you keep saying it's a problem for the white community implies there's any reason for this problem with race as the basis. These are the reasons why I believe you're a race-baiter.

Time will tell, but far too many threads here devolve into race unnecessarily. If race is a component let's talk about it, but nothing you've posted shows this to be the case.

Post: #98

(02-15-2018 04:54 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

(02-15-2018 03:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  http://wivb.com/2018/02/15/white-nationa...as-member/

Quote: The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.

Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press on Thursday that his group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. He said his group holds “spontaneous random demonstrations” and tries not to participate in the modern world.

Jereb said he didn’t know Cruz personally and that “he acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he’s solely responsible for what he just did.”

First of all - we have countless times proven that most White Nationalist groups' leaders are undercover cops or FBI agents. Of course he is going to come out with that.

Whether they accepted him is another thing - there is literally zero evidence online of any of that. The youth nowadays post the shit when they are ideologically motivated. That is why I don't think that he was a Muslim convert - posting Allahu Akbar and even researching how to join ISIS is not evidence of a particular ideology permeating him. He would have posted much much more as a new convert willing to die for Allah.

But what is more interesting from Red Pill terms is that had trouble getting laid and picked Valentine's day for his massacre!

Also = Attacking his own high school and shooting down white girls is not something a "White Supremacist" would have done.

@ the bolded part. There is approximately a 0% chance Florida could ever be a "white-ethno state" the idea is completely laughable, probably even to the most die-hard of Klan members. Florida is demographically so far beyond having anything resembling a white majority that it's hilarious, it's impossible. It would probably be easier to get Cubans, Puerto Ricans & Mexicans to get along and organize a latin militia to create a "hispanic ethno-state" in Florida than it would to create a white ethno-state. Not to mention the huge populations of african americans, asians, and other minorities in Florida. Even if you went to a flyover state like Iowa or Kansas or something and tried that, it's still laughable....Catholic "Charities" and our benevolent leaders have been seeding every state with pockets of foreigners for decades now.

You would have to be off the planet mentally or an undercover fed to even say such a ridiculous thing. I'm betting on the latter as well.

I agree with this. Not going to happen.

Regardless, a bunch of guys with a shitty website that hang out and play GI Joe on the weekends are branded as a threat due to their loose association with this shooter who killed a bunch of kids. This isn't trivial. It gives social and political ammo and fuel to go after anything remotely resembling anything "pro-white" or not explicitly anti-white. This includes anything seen as right-wing. And remember, anything that is conservative or "right" wing that isn't thoroughly cucked in a Jeb Bush or Jeff Flake-esque fashion is far right.

Recently I have seen more and more articles by typists constantly driving at the "ACKCHYUALLY the Alt-Right/white men are the biggest danger to xyz." This shooting is the finishing touch; "see we told you so."

I honestly believe that there are no accidents anymore. While I don't believe that there is any sort of active collusion when it comes to this type of shooting, I believe that the media establishment, academia, the modern left wing intelligentsia, and yes the deep state, act in some sort of composite fashion in order to get their goals and policies in place and to take out those who they see as threats.

The unreasonable and ridiculous "Florida Republic" or whatever the fuck they are are now lumped in with everything deemed right wing or conservative. This includes patriotic Americans concerned about mass migration, the deep bureaucratic state, unaccountable intelligence agencies, the hostile ruling class, degenerate culture. And yes this includes white men with completely reasonable and legitimate grievances for discrimination and demonization in our own nations. It also includes Christians.

But we already knew of all this didn't we. I don't know why I bothered to write this as I am just preaching to the choir but I guess I need to write it for my own benefit in order to articulate to myself these things and to just reaffirm to myself that I cannot, for the most part, control the tide of events.

One thing I do know is that eventually, something will have to give. What I do know for certain is that I do not believe believe that the country has ever been as divided as it is now. The more I see from fake news and the more I see people openly wish other American citizens dead (Trump assassination fantasies, Trump Jr. getting white powder sent, celebrities wishing death on Republicans). I can only deduce that there is a process of mobilization and that the institutions of law enforcement, academia, the media, and the mob are being consolidated and arrayed at whom they see as their common enemy, Heritage Americans.

It's extremely difficult to avoid the Black Pill and be brutally realistic at the same time.

Post: #99

Edit.

Edit II. Off-topic on this thread...what the hell is wrong with kids these days?

Post: #100

NBC nightly news just aired a clip from CNN where some woman, a parent of one of the teens I think, is freaking out at Trump over this.

Gee, it's almost like the media gleefully take every national tragedy as an opportunity to drive the nation apart.