Post: #26

Most religions written by the brightest scholars of the their times have spent a lot of thought on the matter and wrote about it in their respective religions with great care. All religions seem to say the same thing. When Homosexual values infiltrate and dominate a hetro society -- it leads to its destabilization by breaking up the traditional family unit. At first women get attracted to the homosexual lifestyle bc of the feminity, parties, and colorful life and freedom. They divorce their husbands and take the wealth leaving hetro men broke and rudderless with no purpose or meaning in life. Children get raised in single female households which also confuse them. Hence society eventually begins to deteriate and crumble.

This is pretty well what we see happening now in western feminist societies where LGBT have been accepted and put on a pedestal by mostly women.

The main religions however I do not believe ever said that homosexuality is wrong. They said homosexual values are wrong. Most of the religions accept homosexuals - but not their lifestyle. Homosexuals just like prostitution has and will likely always exist but it has to be kept in check.

Post: #27

(02-11-2018 05:22 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I don't hate them any more than I hate alcoholics, and as with alcoholics I would never accept that their lifestyle is healthy, normal, or should be taught as a valid alternative lifestyle.

At least alcoholics occasionally recognize they have a problem and I've rarely heard one recommend or promote their way of life. Not to mention there isn't an entire subversive messaging and influencing infrastructure running rampant in government, entertainment and education the way there is with the homosexual agenda.

A perfect encapsulation of the issue.

This is the sort of stuff that makes the forum great.

Post: #28

A lot of disapproval is rooted in DISGUST, which is probably biological in origin. You think of homosexual sex, and that provokes a reaction like imagining eating rotten meat. But it's not persuasive to say you're opposed to something because it disgusts you (different strokes), so you convince yourself that your opposition stems from intellectual arguments.

That said, gay male culture is clearly toxic both for society and for the individuals involved.

1. Gay marriage is not real marriage. They're usually open relationships, and they're even open about being in open relationships, which is worse. Critics warned that embracing gay marriage would end up having a negative impact on straight marriage, but no one listened. They were right. Of course, marriage is on the edge already, but embracing open marriage is just pushing it off the cliff.

2. A common misconception is that gays want to indoctrinate children so they can sleep with them. The indoctrination part is right, but not mostly for that reason. Gays want to normalize homosexuality in children because it justifies their own condition. Same reason they're doing it to Hollywood. They want to see it everywhere, especially in the next generations.

3. Gays are stuck in adolescence and lack emotional maturity. They're basically girls, right down to their fondness for petty gossip, back stabbing, fashion, pop music; weakness, whining, moral flexibility and so on.

4. Gay socialization into identify politics is why gays have become so dangerous. Gay teenagers learn that being gay means jumping on a whole bandwagon on ideas and behavior.

5. With gays, everything is about sex. The 'gay lifestyle' is real. It's still underground to some extent but it's visible enough to have a normalizing effect at a broader level.

6. I didn't see the transgender stuff coming. It's funny because gays used to be against transgendered. I think this ultimately has the potential to cause even more harm.

I don't think there's an easy way to roll any of this back at a societal level. If I had a gay nephew, I'd teach him to be very careful about who he associates with, and I'd tell him exactly why. Values are contagious.

I know some other normal gay guys but they stay far away from gay culture.

Post: #29

(02-11-2018 10:35 PM)Bain Wrote:  Most religions written by the brightest scholars of the their times have spent a lot of thought on the matter and wrote about it in their respective religions with great care. All religions seem to say the same thing. When Homosexual values infiltrate and dominate a hetro society -- it leads to its destabilization by breaking up the traditional family unit. At first women get attracted to the homosexual lifestyle bc of the feminity, parties, and colorful life and freedom. They divorce their husbands and take the wealth leaving hetro men broke and rudderless with no purpose or meaning in life. Children get raised in single female households which also confuse them. Hence society eventually begins to deteriate and crumble.

This is pretty well what we see happening now in western feminist societies where LGBT have been accepted and put on a pedestal by mostly women.

The main religions however I do not believe ever said that homosexuality is wrong. They said homosexual values are wrong. Most of the religions accept homosexuals - but not their lifestyle. Homosexuals just like prostitution has and will likely always exist but it has to be kept in check.

Leviticus 20:13.

Post: #30

I don't think anyone hates gays, hate is a strong word. Hate would be certain countries in MENA where it is punishable by death... But I think people object to it, because it seeps into the culture and then liberal society starts to promote behavior that shouldn't be encouraged--if they're adults and that's part of their nature, it's not my business to tell them what to do in the bedroom. A like of people that lean culturally libertarian like myself believe, i think mistakenly, that it won't impact our lives or "hurt" us. But what we're seeing now is that when you accept it and legalize gay marriage, it does start to impact your life, leading to different government policies, and the government condoning it as normal, which it's not. Media plays a part in it too, and so a lot of millenials think a third of people, this is an actual statistic, are lgbtq. Something like only 3-5 percent of people identify as lgbtq+ or whatever you want to call it. It is not that common at all, and you sure can't call it normal.

Post: #31

Ugh, the "it happens in nature so it's natural" argument.

We accept that taking a shit is natural.

Doesn't mean that we need to collectively roll around in it and call ourselves progressive.

Post: #32

On the "it happens with other animals" angle:
It would be interesting to bring up verified statistics on what percentage of what specific species do effectively engage in behavior we can clearly define as sexual intercourse within members of the same sex and if they do it in nature or in captivity.
So that would exclude creatures like gastropods and earth worms to give an example.

Furthermore, when analyzing nature, let us remember cost efficiency is the law and a creature that engages on intercourse with members of its same sex is technically an evolutionary dead-end and thus would likely not be able to perpetuate its psychological preferences to the gene-pool. Therefore reducing over time the number of individuals in said gene-pool that would be more likely to engage in such behaviors...

Anyhow, there are biological field people in the forum if I'm not mistaken. Would they care to comment?

Post: #33

(02-10-2018 07:06 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  I could care less if some guy wants a dick in his ass, less competition for striaght men.

This is my position, hardly hate them.

There is evidence they are born that way. No point hating someone for having blue eyes or liking dick up the ass.

Post: #34

(02-13-2018 07:25 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 07:06 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  I could care less if some guy wants a dick in his ass, less competition for striaght men.

This is my position, hardly hate them.

There is evidence they are born that way. No point hating someone for having blue eyes or liking dick up the ass.

Yeah - probably 50% are born this way, but roughly 100% of straight men are disgusted by the sight of two men kissing:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/07/...ews-at-11/

But it was clear that the physiological reactions in the present study could not be explained by the participants’ sexual prejudices alone.

Quote:“What is most important to note is that the responses did not differ as a function of self-reported levels of prejudice or self-reported levels of aggression towards gay men,” Blair explained. “In other words, it was not our highly prejudiced individuals who were experiencing a heightened physiological response to the images of same-sex couples kissing, it was everyone in the sample, even those with very low levels of prejudice.”

Haha, so #LoveWins “tolerant” straight shitlibs (practically an oxymoron) are just as disgusted by PDGay, a feeling which they spend inordinate energy denying to anyone who will listen. Libocrisy is the crisis of our age!

The study shows that even SJWs have an involuntary negative reaction to gays kissing even if they openly applaud and cheer them on.

Hate however - as others noted - that is too strong a word.

And another thing - there is an Amazonian tribe where the people have sex multiple times a day and there are zero % of gays among them. They have no concept of such a behavior, though we certainly have not enough scientific knowledge about it and certainly in our globohomo-times we won't find out jack shit. Gay therapies work on some and there are documented cases, so it cannot be purely physical.

A sane society would have a tolerant but firm viewpoint of gays. You can do whatever you want, but don't expect us to equate your relationships with straight couples and pretend like being raised by two dads or two lesbian man-hating women will be beneficial to children. We should acknowledge that their sexual behavior deviates strongly from heterosexuals and so long as they keep it to themselves, then we live and let live.

Post: #35

(02-11-2018 10:34 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  I saw a video on youtube about homosexuality in animals and insects. Does that mean that it is natural?

Here we fucking go, naturalistic fallacy all over again. Honest to God, this bullshit about how "it's natural, animals do it, therefore it's okay and we don't have to worry about it" really just does my head in sometimes. There's plenty of behaviour in the animal world that we choose not to do in human society because it damages that society and our psyches. Cuckoo chicks overtake the nests they get into. Spiders are cannibals, they eat their own young. The female praying mantis beheads its partner after it copulates. You would be an absolute muppet to think that these behaviours in humans would be acceptable or excusable on the basis that they're natural, so why does buttfucking get a pass?

On top of that, the "animals are beautiful homosexuals" proposition has a lot of stupid exaggerations and distinctly unscientific thinking attached to it.

This little pearler somehow got through the LGBTWXYZ filters at Wikipedia on the subject: Many of the animals used in laboratory-based studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally. Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory

So if anything it appears to be unnatural.

As said, though, scientists as a group are morons. Particularly Peter Bockman, one of the buttfucking cheer squad who claims to be a scientist but actually allowed this statement to pass his lips:

No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis.

Those of you who understand the intellectually dishonest tactic of "prove a negative!" will understand right away why this was straight spin. Those of you who understand science as being composed of falsifiable propositions tested will likewise see the error here. And the simplest answer is this: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Homosexuality is not a reproductive behaviour, and it's not a productive behaviour either. The societal ills and harm attached to it all but compel one to adopt a via negativa approach to it: don't do it yourself, and don't associate with others who do.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #36

< Science in our times has been motivated by agenda.

When you find out that the often cited highly promiscuous Bonobos only behave like that behind bars, then you realize what bullshit those SJW-zoologists have been pushing. Scientists who studied Bonobos in the wild know that those animals are patriarchal, aggressive, territorial and they are fucking only females - also far less than behind bars, because survival takes energy and you cannot spend your time banging around 24/7 like in the human luxury prison.

Post: #37

Personally, i don't hate gays. However, there is a certain type of gay that I do hate and that's the flamboyant loud moth ghetto gay. All other types are tolerable and hell some even likable but the flamboyant ones are annoying.

Plus it's the idea of their sex life that is disgusting. I've had multiple gay friends who I never had a problem with. That is until one day one of them posted a snap about sucking d*ck. That gave me a moment of disgust.

On the other hand, maybe it is biological. Growing up i went to a Catholic school, I kept the same class from preschool to 8th grade. in 1st grade, our class was watching power rangers and arguing which one of us was the blue red or black ranger. In the midst of all the arguing, one boy yelled "I wanna be the pink ranger" All of us looked at him in disgust

Post: #38

Being a man is hard. Nothing is handed to you and your entire life is a struggle. Being a woman is a walk in the park minus child labour. I feel that is why some men are drawn to being gay. It is the easy way out.

Post: #39

(02-11-2018 08:04 AM)Raylan Givens Wrote:  Homosexuality is the most ultimately selfish and hedonistic worldview in existence. Homosexuality is a death cult because it is a sexual act done for it's own sake with no chance of life coming from it. Furthermore, the homosexual movement is a plague upon a society. The rates of STDs, infections, mental health disorders, pedophilia, and suicide attempts bear this out. Individual homosexuals can be okay and have their merits, but as a group they are akin to a horde of diseased rats being let loose on a society.

Homosexual propaganda cannot be tolerated, it has a corrosive effect on humanity. It is dangerous and unhealthy.

This +1000. Homosexual behavior is degenerate, spreads diseases, poisons societies and causes mistrust amongst men. Furthermore, many homosexuals possess elitist behaviors that cause them to hate their own tribe and wish to destroy them for the sole purpose of power. There is a reason why homosexuals were purged from many civilizations and tribes (and why the ancient Indo-Europeans threw them in bogs)!

Post: #40

Is it something they are born with and cant change or is it a choice?

Post: #41

(03-04-2018 12:50 PM)Piankhi Wrote:  Is it something they are born with and cant change or is it a choice?

It's mostly a choice, a high percentage of boys like Milo who were abused become homosexuals, and go on to perpetrate this vicious cycle. Also there is a higher percentage of homosexuals today because it's portrayed as cool by the media.

From Henry Makow's blog:

Quote:Children raised by same-sex parents reported a 3-12 times higher incidence of sexual abuse than children living with both biological parents.

A July 2012 scholarly, peer-reviewed study in the journal, Social Science Research, by Professor Mark Regnerus, of the University of Texas, Austin,(left) found that:

• Children of lesbian mothers are nearly 12 times as likely to say they were sexually touched by a parent or adult as those raised in intact, biological families.

• 31% of those raised by lesbian mothers and 25 % raised by homosexual fathers were raped, compared to 8% of those raised in intact, biological families.

• 90% of children raised in a normative household were heterosexual, whereas 61% raised by a lesbian parent
and 71% raised by a homosexual father were not.

Further, children raised by same-sex parents were:

• Two to four times more likely to be on public assistance.

• More than twice as likely to be unemployed.

• Twice as likely to have contemplated suicide.

• More likely to seek treatment for mental illness.

• More likely to have engaged in unmarried sex.

• At greater risk of poverty, substance abuse, and criminality.


HOMOSEXUAL ADVOCATES FURIOUS

Homosexual advocates were furious about this study and as a result launched a withering attack.

It was imperative for them to discredit this study and destroy Professor Regnerus's credibility.

Consequently, they charged him with scientific and scholarly misconduct, possible falsification of research, and deviating from ethical standards.

Because of the viciousness of these attacks, the University convened a four-person faculty committee and hired an outside expert in "research integrity" to conduct an inquiry.

The Committee concluded that none of the allegations against Professor Regnerus were substantiated, and that there was no scientific misconduct on his part.

PIVOTAL FINDING IN REGNERUS STUDY

Children need stability in their lives while growing up. Professor Regnerus found that parents who had samesex relationships were the least likely to exhibit such stability.

In this study, children raised by same-sex parents reported the highest incidence of living in foster care, with grandparents or living on their own before 18 years of age.

In fact, less than 2% of those with a mother in a same-sex relationship reported being with her for all 18-years of their childhood and youth.

The instability of same-sex partnerships is such that spending significant political, legal, social and economic capital to support such relationships cannot be justified. Nor, should children be used as tools and guinea pigs to further the dubious cause of same-sex marriage.

https://www.henrymakow.com/gay-parenting...o-sex.html


There is a huge disconnect between how homosexuals are portrayed in the media and reality.

People are also not aware of the bigger picture, and the reason why the homosexual agenda is being pushed. This short collage of E. Michael Jones interviews goes to the heart of the matter:

Post: #42

(03-04-2018 02:51 PM)911 Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 12:50 PM)Piankhi Wrote:  Is it something they are born with and cant change or is it a choice?

It's mostly a choice, a high percentage of boys like Milo who were abused become homosexuals, and go on to perpetrate this vicious cycle. Also there is a higher percentage of homosexuals today because it's portrayed as cool by the media.

From Henry Makow's blog:

Quote:Children raised by same-sex parents reported a 3-12 times higher incidence of sexual abuse than children living with both biological parents.

A July 2012 scholarly, peer-reviewed study in the journal, Social Science Research, by Professor Mark Regnerus, of the University of Texas, Austin,(left) found that:

• Children of lesbian mothers are nearly 12 times as likely to say they were sexually touched by a parent or adult as those raised in intact, biological families.

• 31% of those raised by lesbian mothers and 25 % raised by homosexual fathers were raped, compared to 8% of those raised in intact, biological families.

• 90% of children raised in a normative household were heterosexual, whereas 61% raised by a lesbian parent
and 71% raised by a homosexual father were not.

Further, children raised by same-sex parents were:

• Two to four times more likely to be on public assistance.

• More than twice as likely to be unemployed.

• Twice as likely to have contemplated suicide.

• More likely to seek treatment for mental illness.

• More likely to have engaged in unmarried sex.

• At greater risk of poverty, substance abuse, and criminality.


HOMOSEXUAL ADVOCATES FURIOUS

Homosexual advocates were furious about this study and as a result launched a withering attack.

It was imperative for them to discredit this study and destroy Professor Regnerus's credibility.

Consequently, they charged him with scientific and scholarly misconduct, possible falsification of research, and deviating from ethical standards.

Because of the viciousness of these attacks, the University convened a four-person faculty committee and hired an outside expert in "research integrity" to conduct an inquiry.

The Committee concluded that none of the allegations against Professor Regnerus were substantiated, and that there was no scientific misconduct on his part.

PIVOTAL FINDING IN REGNERUS STUDY

Children need stability in their lives while growing up. Professor Regnerus found that parents who had samesex relationships were the least likely to exhibit such stability.

In this study, children raised by same-sex parents reported the highest incidence of living in foster care, with grandparents or living on their own before 18 years of age.

In fact, less than 2% of those with a mother in a same-sex relationship reported being with her for all 18-years of their childhood and youth.

The instability of same-sex partnerships is such that spending significant political, legal, social and economic capital to support such relationships cannot be justified. Nor, should children be used as tools and guinea pigs to further the dubious cause of same-sex marriage.

https://www.henrymakow.com/gay-parenting...o-sex.html


There is a huge disconnect between how homosexuals are portrayed in the media and reality.

People are also not aware of the bigger picture, and the reason why the homosexual agenda is being pushed. This short collage of E. Michael Jones interviews goes to the heart of the matter:

^^^
Apples and oranges. Just because stats show kids in gay households are more likely to be abused doesn't answer his question as to whether being gay is a choice. Instead, it shows what it shows.

There are also studies that show kids who grow up in impoverished inner city environments are far more likely to be abused, both physically and sexually. If sexual abuse = turning out gay, we'd see a massive gay presence and culture among poor inner city people from all countries -- which we don't.

This is a biological issue that can't be answered in the political realm. No one here likes it when the left makes the transgender issue is political for their own ends. So we shouldn't politicize gay issues for our own ends.

Speaking personally, I worked in the arts and knew a lot of gay people. And I grew up with a gay cousin. So I have some personal experience with this.

About the cousin: He was basically (there is no easy way to say this), born a fag. From the time he was three he preferred girly things, cried at the drop of a hat, and loved to hang with the women in the kitchen.

(This was an Italian family and the way they would punish us boys was to make us "help in the kitchen" when we did something wrong. This was torture to me. But he LOVED it. To this day, the words "help in the kitchen" make me want to punch something.)

Anyway, NONE of us other cousins could understand him. I came closest, because I was always the "introverted writer" type. But from the get-go, this kid was WAY unlike me. I remember watching TV with him and he totally didn't get why "Charlie's Angels" was hot.

I know his sister well and she says there was no abuse in the house, none outside the house, and he was always this way. The parents tore their hair out trying to change him. He's the same way today. Also he wasn't "rebelling" either. He's sort of a fat, boring, conservative gay Italian guy. Seriously.

And by the way, his sister is 100 percent straight and normal, if a bit chunky. It runs on that side of the family.

All that said, this clearly doesn't negate the fact that some sexually abused kids turn gay or bi. Clearly some do. But by the same token, we cannot ignore people like my cousin. (Or me, since I witnessed this with my own eyes.)

I wish we could drop the issue of why men are gay. As I said earlier in the thread, they're something like 1 percent of the population. Their influence, and the influence of lesbians (and pseudo-lesbians) is the problem.

Women's sexuality, which is more amorphous, is a different kettle of fish (pun intended). And if there is any issue these days, it's the way women are pulled into the LUG (Lesbian Until Graduation) lifestyle on our perverse college campuses.

These are the women that teach our kids, write anti-male gov't policy, and run our biased piece-of-shit media. They didn't exist in the past, when colleges were more conservative and are our real problems now. In my opinion.

Post: #43

(02-11-2018 10:34 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  I saw a video on youtube about homosexuality in animals and insects. Does that mean that it is natural?

I saw a goat chew the legs off it's newborn kid once.

So natural.

Post: #44

I don't hate gays at all.
















Faggots make for essential firestarters.



Faggots.

Post: #45

I never quite understand the 'it's natural'/'it occurs in nature' argument. The fact is that homosexuality is an aberration from normal conduct and it being potentially genetic is irrelevant to policy construction. Mental illness is similarly naturally and genetic but where it potentially adversely impacts on society or the individual it becomes an issue of policy and a need for intervene arises.

It does not concern state or religion (if two homos live together and get it on in private), but intervention is necessary when they attempt to normalise or spread their pernicious ideology. In traditional Islamic society it was often easy to decipher a gay man and he was not necessarily alienated. In fact gay men were often treated as a sort of in-between allowed to interact with women far beyond the normal male ambit. Punitive measures were only effected by public displays, homosexual promotion or solicitation.

An approach I agree with.

Post: #46

There are some who are certainly born gay and we don't know exactly the reason for this.

Also abuse is not automatically abuse. What can make you gay is sexual abuse in your childhood - this is actually a well-known phenomenon since British and US secret services are rumored to have experimented with it.

Plus the data shows that a huge number of homosexuals in the vicinity of over 40% was sexually abused by someone during childhood. That is way beyond the norm. In addition there is certainly a difference whether you have been abused by a same-sex member of your family.

And yes- the issue is not their homosexuality. The issue is that the ruling elite uses them to destroy the current ancient civilization and norms - only to rule the serfs better while still retaining the conventional patriarchal heterosexual model for themselves.

Thus gays were just weaponized. And we will one day certainly prove why some people are born gay, but currently any research going into that will simply be too slanted and ridiculously biased.

Post: #47

So I guess nobody here watches Will and Grace.

Post: #48

(02-12-2018 03:45 PM)911 Wrote:  

(02-11-2018 10:35 PM)Bain Wrote:  Most religions written by the brightest scholars of the their times have spent a lot of thought on the matter and wrote about it in their respective religions with great care. All religions seem to say the same thing. When Homosexual values infiltrate and dominate a hetro society -- it leads to its destabilization by breaking up the traditional family unit. At first women get attracted to the homosexual lifestyle bc of the feminity, parties, and colorful life and freedom. They divorce their husbands and take the wealth leaving hetro men broke and rudderless with no purpose or meaning in life. Children get raised in single female households which also confuse them. Hence society eventually begins to deteriate and crumble.

This is pretty well what we see happening now in western feminist societies where LGBT have been accepted and put on a pedestal by mostly women.

The main religions however I do not believe ever said that homosexuality is wrong. They said homosexual values are wrong. Most of the religions accept homosexuals - but not their lifestyle. Homosexuals just like prostitution has and will likely always exist but it has to be kept in check.

Leviticus 20:13.

To be fair, an argument can be made that you're proving his point for him. Leviticus does not address whether you're attracted to men, only if you engage in the lifestyle.

Post: #49

I don't hate gays, I miss 15 years ago when they stayed in the closet.

Post: #50

I quite like Thomas Baden-Riess' take on this.
His description of the different types of attitudes that certain people have towards homosexuals is very accurate.


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