Post: #76

(02-18-2018 05:18 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Mean-time.
The main group "colonizing" Africa today are China.

& we all know how the Chinese respect the black man...

My favourite Chinese guy of all time, excluding Suits of course.

Meanwhile, the "here's what Africa would have looked like" rubbish is just bizarre on so many levels, not that you could penetrate those levels of delusion with ten ton titanium truth rod dropped from space.

>Africans living in mud huts.
>Certain Africans migrate north.
>Tens of thousands of years pass.
>Northern tribes whiten and start advancing their technology.
>Africans living in mud huts.
>Thousands more years pass.
>Northern tribes begin working stone in earnest.
>Africans living in mud huts.
>Hundreds of years pass.
>Northern tribes start working wood and metals in earnest.
>Africans living in mud huts.
>Hundreds of years pass.
>Northern tribes master farming, build castles, form the seeds of modern science and begin exploring the world.
>Africans living in mud huts.
>Hundreds of years pass.
>Northern tribes are now nations of peoples, fighting each other for empire across the known world using fearsome weapons like cannons, yet undreamt of by...
>Africans living in mud huts.
>Several hundred years pass.
>Northern empires have, in this brief flicker of human history, conquered Africa, enslaved it's people, exported them in some cases, freed them, and brought modern civilisation to that continent before voluntarily returning Africa to self rule.

>The obvious conclusion anyone would draw from this is...



Or in other words "we wuz about to master thousands of years of technological buildup on Thursday but whites destroyed our nation the Tuesday before!"

Post: #77

(02-18-2018 05:53 PM)Elster Wrote:  How come after all this talk about this flick no one has seemingly said the dirty word?

First thing I thought about.

Post: #78

Want to trigger the SJWs online?

Use this

Post: #79

(02-18-2018 07:44 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  Want to trigger the SJWs online?

Use this

Errrr, if you watched the movie you would know that the story it tells is why those traits are wrong and the black panther changes Wakandas policies at the end. I wouldn't use it.

Plus most people think Killmonger was right in some ways, he was more an antihero than a villian.

Post: #80

(02-18-2018 09:30 PM)Repo Wrote:  Errrr, if you watched the movie you would know that the story it tells is why those traits are wrong and the black panther changes Wakandas policies at the end. I wouldn't use it.

Plus most people think Killmonger was right in some ways, he was more an antihero than a villian.

While true that Black Panther is somewhat "Disneyfied" by the end of the film.
The comic origins & the way Wakanda are represented through most of the film aren't too far off Alt-Right rhetoric.
Plus, by films end. There's no indication that Wakanda is opening it's doors to all the poor masses of Africa, simply that they're sharing their tech.

Then, specifics aside. The point of the meme is to demonstrate that certain crowds began to crow about Black Panther without knowing the whole story nor knowing the origins.

Their fervour being based on a self-generated fantasy essentially.

Post: #81

(02-18-2018 10:01 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:30 PM)Repo Wrote:  Errrr, if you watched the movie you would know that the story it tells is why those traits are wrong and the black panther changes Wakandas policies at the end. I wouldn't use it.

Plus most people think Killmonger was right in some ways, he was more an antihero than a villian.

While true that Black Panther is somewhat "Disneyfied" by the end of the film.
The comic origins & the way Wakanda are represented through most of the film aren't too far off Alt-Right rhetoric.
Plus, by films end. There's no indication that Wakanda is opening it's doors to all the poor masses of Africa, simply that they're sharing their tech.

Then, specifics aside. The point of the meme is to demonstrate that certain crowds began to crow about Black Panther without knowing the whole story nor knowing the origins.

Their fervour being based on a self-generated fantasy essentially.

I agree - all Wakanda is going to do now is sharing some of their science and technology with other people - helping to develop them.

Most Western nations give foreign aid up to the bazoo - if they took a more decisive role in how the funds would be spent, then that would be the modern Wakandan policy.

Wakanda is 100% Black-Panther-Trump land.

You really have to switch the races and tribes here.

Post: #82

(02-18-2018 06:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 05:18 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Mean-time.
The main group "colonizing" Africa today are China.

& we all know how the Chinese respect the black man...

My favourite Chinese guy of all time, excluding Suits of course.

Meanwhile, the "here's what Africa would have looked like" rubbish is just bizarre on so many levels, not that you could penetrate those levels of delusion with ten ton titanium truth rod dropped from space.

>Africans living in mud huts.
>Certain Africans migrate north.
>Tens of thousands of years pass.
>Northern tribes whiten and start advancing their technology.
>Africans living in mud huts.

Actually they found even older bones in Europe now - so even the migrating part is flimsy at best - possibly that Europeans migrated south.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/...ists-find/

Quote:Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find

Quote:The discovery of the creature, named Graecopithecus freybergi, and nicknameded ‘El Graeco' by scientists, proves our ancestors were already starting to evolve in Europe 200,000 years before the earliest African hominid.

Quote:An international team of researchers say the findings entirely change the beginning of human history and place the last common ancestor of both chimpanzees and humans - the so-called Missing Link - in the Mediterranean region.


At that time climate change had turned Eastern Europe into an open savannah which forced apes to find new food sources, sparking a shift towards bipedalism, the researchers believe.

Post: #83

(02-13-2018 04:54 PM)Huey Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 04:53 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  As for Michael B Jordan and his white girls - you cannot really blame him - they are beautiful:

Sandy feet.

WNB

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #84

Here some 2 good vids on the movie:









The second vid goes into the music which was strangely enough composed by a white dude (or not so strange since the movie was financed, created and designed by whites).

The vid creator's grandfather in South Africa created the biggest African music collection because he loved those sounds. Now they are calling those guys racists for "wiping out the indigenous music".

I am with Paul Joseph Watson on this - I hate it when they order you to like a movie for political points.

The movie in itself was solid as an action flic and certainly as good as Thor Ragnarok, but the politics and social justice crap was stronger than in Thor Ragnarok.

Also different than Asgard - Wakanda should still be an earthly country that is somewhat realistic. Asgard could have been made by magic by having Odin wave his wand. And even there they made up stupid shit that Odin stole the wealth of Asgard elsewhere (probably from Africa).

Post: #85

Black panther producers and marketers are geniuses. They got everyone talking about this movie and it just raked in like $235 million dollars. What everyone doesn't seem to understand is that unless you one of the guys raking in the cash... you're getting played.

Post: #86

Yeah - they would be geniuses if the very idea of the Black Panther and Wakanda were something they thought of.

They were such geniuses that they managed to seriously damage the Star Wars brand and make 500 mio. $ less than they could have. They are such geniuses that they managed to take a 100-200 mio. $ loss with the Ghostbusters movie and also utterly destroy that brand for a while.

It was expected that the movie would go viral due to the current-day issues and all the SJW-talking-points. They created the icecream flavor of the day - everyone would have liked it anyway - or at least scores of people would go watch it as a quasi-religious movie.

The movie was not a new cola brand that had some kind of genius strategy of novel marketing while the product was bland.

The product is pure SJW manna - all they had to do was not fuck it up too much and they did that. The movie is the equivalent of a 8-looks-girl who is so super-stoked that she has scores lots of matches on Tinder and manages to bang 5 on the first weekend. Yeah - such a genius.

The only way to fuck that movie up would have been to make it really bad in terms of quality. The pro-movie articles and the controversy on the other side simply wrote itself. You cannot create such a buzz with a 100th version of a cola drink.

Post: #87

(02-19-2018 05:37 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Yeah - they would be geniuses if the very idea of the Black Panther and Wakanda were something they thought of.

They were such geniuses that they managed to seriously damage the Star Wars brand and make 500 mio. $ less than they could have. They are such geniuses that they managed to take a 100-200 mio. $ loss with the Ghostbusters movie and also utterly destroy that brand for a while.

It was expected that the movie would go viral due to the current-day issues and all the SJW-talking-points. They created the icecream flavor of the day - everyone would have liked it anyway - or at least scores of people would go watch it as a quasi-religious movie.

The movie was not a new cola brand that had some kind of genius strategy of novel marketing while the product was bland.

The product is pure SJW manna - all they had to do was not fuck it up too much and they did that. The movie is the equivalent of a 8-looks-girl who is so super-stoked that she has scores lots of matches on Tinder and manages to bang 5 on the first weekend. Yeah - such a genius.

The only way to fuck that movie up would have been to make it really bad in terms of quality. The pro-movie articles and the controversy on the other side simply wrote itself. You cannot create such a buzz with a 100th version of a cola drink.

They are geniuses because they executed it perfectly and now there is a 4 Page thread on RVF about it. And it's already cracked 235 million. You can rationalize all you want but 235 million. They already made back the money they put it. From now on it's pure profit for them. That in my book makes them geniuses. It's like saying trump isn't really successful because his father was a millionaire and loaned him $1 million to start his businesses. A family member told me that trump is a fraud because he didn't build all the buildings with his name on it... he just licensed his brand to certain people. You know what i said? Dude's still a billionaire.Success is success at the end of the day.

All the things you said are wrong anyways. Ghostbusters turned a profit. All the recent star wars movies cracked 1 billion dollars.

Force awakens: 2.066 billion on $306 million cost
Rogue One: 1 Billion on 200 million cost
Last jedi: 1.3 billion on 200 million cost

and ghostbusters 295 million gross on 144 million cost.

These guys are smart whether you like it/accept it. They know what's selling now and are executing and manipulating everyone perfectly. Now you got Alt-Right people talking about this movie spreading it like a virus. In my view that's genius level marketing.

Post: #88

(02-19-2018 06:40 PM)zigZag Wrote:  All the things you said are wrong anyways. Ghostbusters turned a profit. All the recent star wars movies cracked 1 billion dollars.

Force awakens: 2.066 billion on $306 million cost
Rogue One: 1 Billion on 200 million cost
Last jedi: 1.3 billion on 200 million cost

and ghostbusters 295 million gross on 144 million cost.

These guys are smart whether you like it/accept it. They know what's selling now and are executing and manipulating everyone perfectly. Now you got Alt-Right people talking about this movie spreading it like a virus. In my view that's genius level marketing.

Let me make this clear as if explaining 2+2=4.

Ghosbusters cost more than 144 mio. $, the net income from gross 295 mio is less than 50%! that means that if you make 300 mio. $ gross, then you make 150 mio. $ And that is not even the full picture because you have deduct the huge market budgets off it. NOwadays those budgets range from 100% of the entire movie budget to 50-200 mio. $. Do you think that all the TV spots across the entire world and the billboards run on water?

Also the movie had a gross of 229 $ mio with 144 mio. in production and some 100 mio. Feig has stated that the break-even point is around 450-500 mio.$ - they would have gotten 50% of it which means that marketing was about 100 mio. $.

But never mind - if you think Ghostbusters was a genius movie, then further discussion is useless.



Star Wars has the biggest brand in the entire world and much lesser movies made 1.4 bio. $ with less of an appeal.

Whatever - this idiocracy world is getting really ridiculous.

Post: #89

(02-19-2018 06:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:40 PM)zigZag Wrote:  All the things you said are wrong anyways. Ghostbusters turned a profit. All the recent star wars movies cracked 1 billion dollars.

Force awakens: 2.066 billion on $306 million cost
Rogue One: 1 Billion on 200 million cost
Last jedi: 1.3 billion on 200 million cost

and ghostbusters 295 million gross on 144 million cost.

These guys are smart whether you like it/accept it. They know what's selling now and are executing and manipulating everyone perfectly. Now you got Alt-Right people talking about this movie spreading it like a virus. In my view that's genius level marketing.

Let me make this clear as if explaining 2+2=4.

Ghosbusters cost more than 144 mio. $, the net income from gross 295 mio is less than 50%! that means that if you make 300 mio. $ gross, then you make 150 mio. $ And that is not even the full picture because you have deduct the huge market budgets off it. NOwadays those budgets range from 100% of the entire movie budget to 50-200 mio. $. Do you think that all the TV spots across the entire world and the billboards run on water?

Also the movie had a gross of 229 $ mio with 144 mio. in production and some 100 mio. Feig has stated that the break-even point is around 450-500 mio.$ - they would have gotten 50% of it which means that marketing was about 100 mio. $.

But never mind - if you think Ghostbusters was a genius movie, then further discussion is useless.



Star Wars has the biggest brand in the entire world and much lesser movies made 1.4 bio. $ with less of an appeal.

Whatever - this I idiocracy world is getting really ridiculous.

You're right about ghostbusters. I'm wrong on that one.

My point still stands for the star wars series. They made huge profits. And you're missing my point completely. I never watched any of these movies. I'm not interested in Black panther or Ghostbusters and i don't have an opinion on if they are good movies or not. My point is simply the genius level marketing in manipulating everyone into talking about this movie getting Alt-Righters to talk about it, getting black people to watch it and feeling good about themselves despite it being a fictional place. All in all this is genius level marketing.

You can say they performed lower than expected but hey a profit is a profit in my book. A billion gross is still a billion gross. Everything else is speculation.

But i agree with you. further discussion on this is useless.

Post: #90

So I see from a Paul Watson tweet.
Some black folk are going to start barking at white folk, similar to how the mountain tribe folk grunted at Agent Ross.

Could have sworn the mountain folk were grunting / howling like gorillas, but I digress...

Post: #91

(02-17-2018 04:11 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:45 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  A real achievement would be a film studio popping up in Africa putting out their own mainstream productions...

Got you covered there:

As much as this is a laughable piece of shit I have to give them credit for at least trying. It's the same way I feel about Bollywood...there's nothing more unappealing to me from an aesthetic, cultural, and artistic level than seeing a bunch of IRTs singing and dancing on one leg shaking their head back and forth. However, I do give Indians credit for putting together something original based on their culture which is undeniably profitable.

Going forward more countries should have the ambition to form their own entertainment media. The more media you have the more it detracts from Hollywood's cultural and global hegemony. Some people would make the claim that Hollywood movies adds to U.S. soft power worldwide but i'd argue that it does far more damage culturally speaking by spreading global homo/feminist/corporatist Jewish agenda.

This is why I like Korean films a lot. They have reached the point where they have a lot of different genres, good actors, and well developed film production studios. They also don't follow Hollywood tropes and quite a few of their films are red pill as fuck..bordering on black pill. If more countries followed Korea's model of separating away from Hollywood's lead it would be a positive thing.

Post: #92

^^

Post: #93

(02-19-2018 08:17 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  ...
As much as this is a laughable piece of shit I have to give them credit for at least trying. It's the same way I feel about Bollywood...there's nothing more unappealing to me from an aesthetic, cultural, and artistic level than seeing a bunch of IRTs singing and dancing on one leg shaking their head back and forth. However, I do give Indians credit for putting together something original based on their culture which is undeniably profitable.

Going forward more countries should have the ambition to form their own entertainment media. The more media you have the more it detracts from Hollywood's cultural and global hegemony. Some people would make the claim that Hollywood movies adds to U.S. soft power worldwide but i'd argue that it does far more damage culturally speaking by spreading global homo/feminist/corporatist Jewish agenda.

This is why I like Korean films a lot. They have reached the point where they have a lot of different genres, good actors, and well developed film production studios. They also don't follow Hollywood tropes and quite a few of their films are red pill as fuck..bordering on black pill. If more countries followed Korea's model of separating away from Hollywood's lead it would be a positive thing.

Similar to 'good' Japanese anime*.
The more mature, well crafted Japanese anime is so different to what one gets or expects out of hollowood; the anime stands out as refreshing & far more interesting as a result.


*Discourse about what titles constitutes good anime is a whole other discussion...

Post: #94

(02-19-2018 07:42 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  So I see from a Paul Watson tweet.
Some black folk are going to start barking at white folk, similar to how the mountain tribe folk grunted at Agent Ross.

Could have sworn the mountain folk were grunting / howling like gorillas, but I digress...

If this film causes a wave of black people to dress like black panther and do vigilante shit against drug dealers and other gangster street trash in their community then i'll consider this film a resounding cultural success.

However, I bet you anything just the opposite will happen. Black gangsters and rapper thugs will adopt the look and aesthetics of this and run with it in the completely opposite direction.

Post: #95

(02-19-2018 08:34 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  If this film causes a wave of black people to dress like black panther and do vigilante shit against drug dealers and other gangster street trash in their community then i'll consider this film a resounding cultural success.

However, I bet you anything just the opposite will happen. Black gangsters and rapper thugs will adopt the look and aesthetics of this and run with it in the completely opposite direction.

Yep.
They're not really thinking this all through to any notable degree.
We've already seen the widespread Wakanda / Alt-Right comparison mockery.

In two months, five months time etc., when Flint MI is still the same & Chi-Raq is still the same & Africa will still be the basket case that it is.
It will allow folk to mock the "#WakandaForever" crowd all the more.

Post: #96

Maybe the dvd release will reinvigorate them, then we'll see a Ugandan space agency come to know da wei.

Post: #97

(02-19-2018 08:17 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 04:11 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:45 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  A real achievement would be a film studio popping up in Africa putting out their own mainstream productions...

Got you covered there:

As much as this is a laughable piece of shit I have to give them credit for at least trying. It's the same way I feel about Bollywood...there's nothing more unappealing to me from an aesthetic, cultural, and artistic level than seeing a bunch of IRTs singing and dancing on one leg shaking their head back and forth. However, I do give Indians credit for putting together something original based on their culture which is undeniably profitable.

Going forward more countries should have the ambition to form their own entertainment media. The more media you have the more it detracts from Hollywood's cultural and global hegemony. Some people would make the claim that Hollywood movies adds to U.S. soft power worldwide but i'd argue that it does far more damage culturally speaking by spreading global homo/feminist/corporatist Jewish agenda.

This is why I like Korean films a lot. They have reached the point where they have a lot of different genres, good actors, and well developed film production studios. They also don't follow Hollywood tropes and quite a few of their films are red pill as fuck..bordering on black pill. If more countries followed Korea's model of separating away from Hollywood's lead it would be a positive thing.

Weird you bring that up. I can't remember where I read or heard this, but one thesis of the dominance of Hollywood is that World War II devastated the film industries of Germany, Eastern Europe, Italy, France, Russia, Korea, etc... and sent what surviving talent was left to the USA and thus Hollywood. Supposedly before WW II, these countries had vibrant film industries. It proposes that what we are now seeing is the re-emergence of what existed in the pre WW II world.

Post: #98

^Holds true for a vast swathe of industries and political outcomes.

American exceptionalism often refuses to take into account that it underwent an industrial boom at the same time it's main competitors were being reduced to rubble. America had a great system, but it wasn't the silver bullet for the failures of the human condition that it's proponents claimed it to be.

Post: #99

(02-19-2018 11:37 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^Holds true for a vast swathe of industries and political outcomes.

American exceptionalism often refuses to take into account that it underwent an industrial boom at the same time it's main competitors were being reduced to rubble. America had a great system, but it wasn't the silver bullet for the failures of the human condition that it's proponents claimed it to be.

For significant parts of base pre digital industries, yes, I agree. All 3 world wars (the 2 hot and 1 cold one), gave us an incredible advantage from which we still benefit, though that has been disappearing since the Yom Kippur War and the 73 oil crisis.

Our exceptionalism is a little different.

Now, you can argue if our exceptionalism is good or bad, but I disagree that it does not exist and disagree that it was dependent on the traumas of the 20th century.

Our form of government is just different. For countries that are not dictatorships, almost everyone else went for some kind of English based parliamentary system that was highly centralized. We didn't and have what is still (though not nearly as much as I would like) federalized and decentralized government.

We are damn specific and clear on the rights of our citizens. I have yet to visit or learn of a country that dose the same. No matter how hard the Cultural Marxists try, we're still #1 by a mile on free speech, guns, and the rule of law. You would be right to say that this isn't nearly what it used to be, but we still managed to defeat Hillary Clinton (though I not naive enough to realize that we got damn lucky with Trump and still have one hell of a battle ahead of us).

Our culture is different. We are extremely flexible yet defiant. For example, we'll play soccer, but refuse to call it football and cheer for four sports (football, baseball, basketball, and hockey) that no one besides Canada and a few odd cases really cares about that much. This goes back to well before the World Wars. We easily let foreign words from the world over enter our vernacular and don't freak out like the French.

Our outlook is different. I remember joking with a German who worked for Mercedes Benz who drove me to a wedding we were attending from Frankfurt airport when the topic of the American auto industry came up. With a wink I declared:

"American designs and builds the best cars in the world. The Toyota Camry and Honda Accord: designed and built in the USA!"

He dryly remarked: "Ah you Americans, always looking at the positive."

On a more serious note, he said that the corporate, government and general office culture of Europe was focused on trying to prevent mistakes, and not trying to explore what was new.

Post: #100

If you're watching comic book movies you may still be in the basement of mom's house or a NEET, but that being said....

Media reception was sickening for the film. Basically 100pc critical acclaim. Opened up the Guardian and nearly spit my coffee out, the review was so fawning. Media been hyping the film for weeks now. Who's fault is it blacks dudes aren't being repped in film? oh, that's right, it's the dudes in hollywood's fault....

I guess you would call the philosophy behind the film afro futurism? Can't say I know much about it. Where were the flying pyramids, I'm seriously dissapointed... But anyway, isn't Wakanda basically a Trump Maga state that keeps the immigrants out?

Film criticism/ literature criticism is a bunch of BS most the time, that being said, would love to see some MAGA types, or alt-righters, holding up the film as accurately portraying Trump's MAGAland or something like that.

Also semi related, people are pissed that there's no lgbtqs in the film: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2...sentation/

(I don't watch many Hollywood films any more, much less comic book films, or the deluge of sequels, as for TV I watch about 1 hr per week).