Post: #51

Women can be way more sexual than men can, they just channel it differently because they're very picky, it's in their nature. A man can easily feel excited with variety, a woman needs to have a dominant man to bring out their intense sexual energy. A lot of the asexual girls people talked about earlier in this thread simply have not met such a man yet (not counting the ones who are that way due to abuses/violence). If you've ever had a woman who completely submits to you, I guarantee she is the one who wants sex with you way more than you do.

There's also health and diet. Women who eat healthily and are fit will have a better, stronger libido than women who eat crap and don't exercise. By the way, don't mistake slutty behaviours for actual sex drive, the former is attention seeking, the latter is having real sex.

Women stopping sex after marriage can also be a result of the pill. They take the pills before marriage, and after marriage when they want babies, they go off it and stop feeling attracted to their husband because he smells different (hormonally). There's research to support this too.

Post: #52

Women want just as much or even more sex as men is a utopian blue pill belief created by feminists.

When a woman pretends to want sex it's usually because she has ulterior motives. Maybe she wants to extract presents out of you, maybe she wants to make her ex boyfriend suffer or maybe she simply wants attention and sex is an easy way to get a strong dose of it. There's rarely an instance when a girl wants sex just for the sake of it. Unlike men who behave like rabid pigs and stuff their dicks into exhaust tailpipes when they feel horny.

Of course there's women who are absolute train wrecks suffering from abandonment issues or living in a modernist world where sexual positivity equals power. So they'll fuck around just to prove something to themselves. Usually that doesn't work out and their steamy sessions lead to further issues down the road.

We should ask ourselves why a woman would even consider having random intercourse with a man she barely knows. Evolutionarily there's many risks stemming from casual sex so it'd be healthy and logical to abstain from it if you were a woman. Now we might ask ourselves: do women have a sex drive? Since I'm not a woman I can't really answer that. But when I think of women who've told me how they went several months without sex and mastrubation I start asking myself if there's really a sex drive present in females or if it's just an opportunistic strategy which they have complete control over.

Post: #53

^^ if you haven't personally experienced a woman's insanely high sex drive, it's because you have never dominated a woman's heart and soul to that point yet. When that happens, you look at her in a certain way and she's good to go. Note this is about dominance and submission, so it occurs within a relationship. Women aren't wired for casual / sex for sports / seeking variety in the way men are, so if you use male criteria, they won't have much of a sex drive. They're however wired for sex and bonding with the most dominant man they can get, and they can have sex many more times in a day than their man can.

Post: #54

The also get very horney at their peak estrogenic time.

Post: #55

(12-08-2018 11:17 AM)Adolf Hipster Wrote:  When a woman pretends to want sex it's usually because she has ulterior motives.

When a woman pretends to want sex with you.

Almost all women have no strings attached sex. . . But only with guys who are their type.

Never met a "celibate" bitch who wasnt coming off a slut phase.

Post: #56

@Strikeback: have you had sex with a random sampling of thousands of women? No, so there is selection bias. You are only attracted to some women, and of those women, only some are attracted to you. There are other types of women you never ever encounter.

In general, women are much more diverse than men. There is only one healthy male body: lean, broad shoulders, etc, because all men historically had to engage in strenuous physical activity (war, hunting). The ectomorph, etc type difference in men are trivial to the differences that exist in women. Some women are genetically designed to sit all day and will al ways be fat and can never run much without getting injured. Some women are designed to used the minimum possible number of calories: very small bone structure. Other women have bodies like those of men, broad shoulders, able to run long distances. Women are designed to fill niches, men are general purpose.

It makes sense, therefore, that some women are designed with zero sex drive. That is, sex is like flossing their teeth or cleaning the bathroom. A necessary chore to have a happy relationship or marriage, but they could easily be happy without ever having sex once children were born, and if their husband lost his sex drive, they'd be perfectly happy. What percentage of women is like this? I've seen estimates as high as 80%. A lot of men prefer such women. No performance anxiety, no worry about cheating. Couples where neither partner wants sex are often very happy, or such is my observation. Happy lesbian couples are often sexless.

BTW Men can have sex just as often as women. In fact, more often, since less abrasion to the penis than the vagina. There's a thread somewhere where I discussed male multiple orgasm at length. Males can't ejaculate frequently, but ejaculation is not necessary for sex or orgasm.

As someone noted, the idea that women want sex as much as men is extreme blue pill. If men thought that most women don't enjoy sex, they would be hesitant to marry, since most men don't want the happy but sexless marriage I discussed above. So women have been very careful over the centuries to fool men into thinking all women want and enjoy sex as much as men. Without that belief, women lose a tremendous amount of power. In particular, guys who reject prostitution, because of lack of reciprocated desire, would be more open to prostitution if they thought most women were incapable of reciprocated desire. Prostitution is very threatening to low sex drive women, because low sex drive women can't enjoy work as prostitutes themselves and because marriage pays so much better than prostitution (long game versus short game).

Finally, the fact that there have always been 1000 female prostitutes for every male gigolo pretty much settles the case. All this hocus pocus about dominance, bonding, etc to explain why women don't have sex like men is just male hamstering to avoid facing the truth of women's much, much lower sex drive. That truth is disturbing to men because it means we men almost never have the sexual power over women that they have over us.

Post: #57

Women are strange. They can be insatiable beasts that cant get enough of your cock but can just as easily turn off the tap so to speak and go 6 months without any desire for action or masturbation.

Post: #58

Shemp, I don't need to bang 1000 hos to prove a point. Ultimately as I am enjoying, and have enjoyed, intense passionate sex with attractive women, I don't really care if you label it Blue Pill or whatever-coloured Pill. You keep quoting those stats and reading those depressing overanalysing Game blogs, it will do wonder for your sex life.

Post: #59

@Strikeback: problem is precisely that you're going with "hos", meaning sluts. Sluts are indeed the women with high sex drive. They are not representative of all women. You're suffering from selection bias. What percentage of women are high sex drive sluts? No one really knows, but definitely less than 100%.

As for my sex life, it does fine when I'm in Ukraine. Here in the USA, I'm in monk mode for many reasons. I've been with sluts and I've been with women with low sex drive. I was the same man in all cases, the women were as attracted to me in all cases, the women's sex drive was the variable factor.

Maybe you're of the new generation that believes feelings trumps logic and evidence. But if not, here's another piece of evidence for you to mull on. Go google stats on how often couples in general have sex. They all come to the same sad conclusion: a lot less than most men would prefer. I doubt this is the men's fault.

Further reading:
http://assets.csom.umn.edu/assets/71520.pdf

>>go 6 months without any desire for action or masturbation.

Pretty much the definition of low sex drive.

Post: #60

Quote:But if not, here's another piece of evidence for you to mull on. Go google stats on how often couples in general have sex. They all come to the same sad conclusion: a lot less than most men would prefer. I doubt this is the men's fault.

Amount of sex between couples is irrelevant. Most couples are born out of practical considerations and not out of desire and attraction. Especially when children are involved practical concerns weight a whole lot more than sexual desire.

Most woman are in relationships with guys they are not attracted to.

Post: #61

No women are not as sexual as men, but they are much more sexual than the typical man that is not game-aware thinks.

Go five years into a relationship though and usually neither person particularly wants to fuck each other anymore. It's just how it goes. I usually lose attraction much sooner than this even for women I start out very attracted to.

Post: #62

Does the answer to the title question matter? Yes. And here are some actionable takeaways I can think of:

1) If you find a girl who really likes sex with you, don't ditch her just because something hotter looking walks by, because that hotter looking girl may be one of the many low sex drive types. There are lots of candy covered turds in the box, lots of land mines. When you finally get something good, stick with it and milk it for what it's worth.

2) In the old days, low sex drive women understood that sex is what lures the guys into commitment and sex is what keeps him there. Wifely duties, not wifely pleasures. Nowadays, women have forgotten or don't care about the second part of the formula. Low sex drive women still lure guys with sex but then they dry up once they see signs of commitment. In the old days, when men were providers, the man could take the money he normally spent on his wife and give to a whore instead, if the wife didn't do her wifely duties. Nowadays, wife can just divorce rape the man of he pulls that trick. So don't ever get married.

3) If not married but in an LTR and the girlfriend stops putting out, leave. Yes, you'll probably have to go through long dry stretches if you refuse to tolerate sexless relationships, but to me that's a worthwhile tradeoff. I felt like a complete chump the few times I stuck with a woman who stopped putting out.

4) You need to bring value to the table, other than your dick, if you want a healthy relationship with low sex drive women. Clown game (spicing up her otherwise boring life) is one form of value, but weak value, which is why clown game guys (Roosh and most guys here are doing clown game) aren't in LTRs. Since the value they provide is weak, the woman eventually acts up and has to be ditched. The other type value is provider game, which I feel is more manly. With provider game, there needs to be a steady flow of material benefits from you to the woman, a flow which you can cut off whenever she cuts back on sex. Dinners at restaurants, vacations together, gifts, etc. P4P is the extreme example of provider game, sugar daddying is more LTR oriented, generous boyfriend is how I present myself. Husband who earns more than wife is also provider game, but bad game, as discussed in point 2, because you can't cut off the flow of benefits nowadays.

5) If you as a man feel sex deprived, it may not be your fault. You may be looks maxed, skilled in bed, have good social skills, unafraid to approach, etc. All the boxes ticked and still no sex. Fact is, there is a huge excess of male versus female sex drive and always has been. Excess of young males nowadays, due to fewer men dying in wars than in the past, just adds to the problem. In the past, provider game was how men coped, but with young women earning more than young men in developed countries, that tactic no longer works for most men. Things are hard and it's not your fault. Do the best you can but don't beat up on yourself unnecessarily. And learn to endure long dry stretches. Trust me, being alone and sexless is a lot better than stuck in a sexless relationship (or, God forbid, sexless marriage).

6) Provider game still works in poor countries, so consider periodic vacations to poor countries, if you currently live in a rich country, to arbitrage price differences. Location independent income is best, so you can live full time in the poor country. The travel section of this forum is very popular, both with members and lurkers, for good reason.

Post: #63

(12-08-2018 06:37 PM)Repo Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 11:17 AM)Adolf Hipster Wrote:  When a woman pretends to want sex it's usually because she has ulterior motives.

When a woman pretends to want sex with you.

Almost all women have no strings attached sex. . . But only with guys who are their type.

Never met a "celibate" bitch who wasnt coming off a slut phase.

Comparing sluts to mentally healthy women is not very smart. A slut will hang onto your dick because of issues she's carrying around and because she fancies you. So you're only partly the reason for her nymphomaniac behavior with you.

Post: #64

(12-09-2018 09:34 AM)Shemp Wrote:  Does the answer to the title question matter? Yes. And here are some actionable takeaways I can think of:

1) If you find a girl who really likes sex with you, don't ditch her just because something hotter looking walks by, because that hotter looking girl may be one of the many low sex drive types. There are lots of candy covered turds in the box, lots of land mines. When you finally get something good, stick with it and milk it for what it's worth.

2) In the old days, low sex drive women understood that sex is what lures the guys into commitment and sex is what keeps him there. Wifely duties, not wifely pleasures. Nowadays, women have forgotten or don't care about the second part of the formula. Low sex drive women still lure guys with sex but then they dry up once they see signs of commitment. In the old days, when men were providers, the man could take the money he normally spent on his wife and give to a whore instead, if the wife didn't do her wifely duties. Nowadays, wife can just divorce rape the man of he pulls that trick. So don't ever get married.

3) If not married but in an LTR and the girlfriend stops putting out, leave. Yes, you'll probably have to go through long dry stretches if you refuse to tolerate sexless relationships, but to me that's a worthwhile tradeoff. I felt like a complete chump the few times I stuck with a woman who stopped putting out.

4) You need to bring value to the table, other than your dick, if you want a healthy relationship with low sex drive women. Clown game (spicing up her otherwise boring life) is one form of value, but weak value, which is why clown game guys (Roosh and most guys here are doing clown game) aren't in LTRs. Since the value they provide is weak, the woman eventually acts up and has to be ditched. The other type value is provider game, which I feel is more manly. With provider game, there needs to be a steady flow of material benefits from you to the woman, a flow which you can cut off whenever she cuts back on sex. Dinners at restaurants, vacations together, gifts, etc. P4P is the extreme example of provider game, sugar daddying is more LTR oriented, generous boyfriend is how I present myself. Husband who earns more than wife is also provider game, but bad game, as discussed in point 2, because you can't cut off the flow of benefits nowadays.

5) If you as a man feel sex deprived, it may not be your fault. You may be looks maxed, skilled in bed, have good social skills, unafraid to approach, etc. All the boxes ticked and still no sex. Fact is, there is a huge excess of male versus female sex drive and always has been. Excess of young males nowadays, due to fewer men dying in wars than in the past, just adds to the problem. In the past, provider game was how men coped, but with young women earning more than young men in developed countries, that tactic no longer works for most men. Things are hard and it's not your fault. Do the best you can but don't beat up on yourself unnecessarily. And learn to endure long dry stretches. Trust me, being alone and sexless is a lot better than stuck in a sexless relationship (or, God forbid, sexless marriage).

6) Provider game still works in poor countries, so consider periodic vacations to poor countries, if you currently live in a rich country, to arbitrage price differences. Location independent income is best, so you can live full time in the poor country. The travel section of this forum is very popular, both with members and lurkers, for good reason.