Post: #26

(01-16-2018 03:03 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 01:51 PM)eonbre Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 01:42 PM)fantome Wrote:  Can´t you apply Bulgarian nationality? And have access to Switzerland.

I think Bulgarians and Croatians have quotas for how many people can move to Switzerland

Unfortunately swiss don't like people from Balkans. https://www.thelocal.ch/20160609/immigra...of-clothes

Who likes to wear jeans wtf is so uncomfortable

Post: #27

What kind of background check they do in Google? Can they check your history somehow and find your browse redpill and decide not to hire you?

Post: #28

I worked for a bit more than 2 years in GVA, a few pointers.

PROS:

- Lots of well paying jobs for software guys in the banking / trading industry. If you have a work permit, and are good at your job, you won't have much trouble finding an employer.

- You will save tons of money.

- AMAZING landscapes. Hiking and skiing in Switzerland is orgasmic. You will flee the boring cities every single weekend because it's so great to be out there.

- Good standards of living (health and so on).


NEGATIVES

- Most boring country I've ever been.
So boring I quit my high paying job to get the hell out of that shithole.

I mean, I've been skiing since I was a child, love hiking and I'm a climber. But even the beautiful Swiss countryside couldn't compensate for how absolutely gray and boring that country is. Literally nobody on the streets after 5 pm, even during summer. Nightlife is very dull.


- Nice looking girls, you can see they have cash to take care of themselves. Game not too hard or too easy. But horrible personalities. Strong diva mentality.

- People say Swiss are extremely xenophobic and hate immigrants.

At least in GVA that wasn't my experience, but they aren't very welcoming either. They are more neutral, they just don't give a shit about you. (note that my French is fluent enough to pass as a native, if you speak zero French your experiences may differ).

Plus in GVA and Zurich the percent of immigrants is so high, you'll have trouble finding local swiss people anyways.

- FRENCH STRONGLY RECOMMENDED. You don't need to know it before you move, but once there I strongly suggest making an effort to learn it. Although everyone speaks English, all foreign professionals learn French very quickly.

So you'll look like a fool if you don't. I didn't meet a single successful expat who didn't speak decent French, even those working for English-speaking companies. Everyone assumes that the language is so easy, you will pick it up within your first year.

I haven't lived in the German side, but they have the reputation of hiring German speakers only.

- If not from the EU, getting permits is a nightmare. Not only for you, it's a lot of trouble for companies too. So they won't hire you unless you bring something to the table that no other European can. If you are straight out of school, you have very little chances.



So I recommend going there for a couple years, save plenty of cash and then go somewhere to enjoy your life.

Another option if you are out of school is to get a masters in Lausanne (or Zurich, but Laussane sounds like more fun). Laussane is the only Swiss city I liked hanging out in (very strong student vibe). EPFL uni is famous worldwide and inside Switzerland you have a job almost guaranteed if you get a computer science degree from them (banks really like degrees from EPFL).

Post: #29

(01-21-2018 09:44 AM)Stallion Wrote:  I worked for a bit more than 2 years in GVA, a few pointers.

PROS:

- Lots of well paying jobs for software guys in the banking / trading industry. If you have a work permit, and are good at your job, you won't have much trouble finding an employer.

- You will save tons of money.

- AMAZING landscapes. Hiking and skiing in Switzerland is orgasmic. You will flee the boring cities every single weekend because it's so great to be out there.

- Good standards of living (health and so on).


NEGATIVES

- Most boring country I've ever been.
So boring I quit my high paying job to get the hell out of that shithole.

I mean, I've been skiing since I was a child, love hiking and I'm a climber. But even the beautiful Swiss countryside couldn't compensate for how absolutely gray and boring that country is. Literally nobody on the streets after 5 pm, even during summer. Nightlife is very dull.


- Nice looking girls, you can see they have cash to take care of themselves. Game not too hard or too easy. But horrible personalities. Strong diva mentality.

- People say Swiss are extremely xenophobic and hate immigrants.

At least in GVA that wasn't my experience, but they aren't very welcoming either. They are more neutral, they just don't give a shit about you. (note that my French is fluent enough to pass as a native, if you speak zero French your experiences may differ).

Plus in GVA and Zurich the percent of immigrants is so high, you'll have trouble finding local swiss people anyways.

- FRENCH STRONGLY RECOMMENDED. You don't need to know it before you move, but once there I strongly suggest making an effort to learn it. Although everyone speaks English, all foreign professionals learn French very quickly.

So you'll look like a fool if you don't. I didn't meet a single successful expat who didn't speak decent French, even those working for English-speaking companies. Everyone assumes that the language is so easy, you will pick it up within your first year.

I haven't lived in the German side, but they have the reputation of hiring German speakers only.

- If not from the EU, getting permits is a nightmare. Not only for you, it's a lot of trouble for companies too. So they won't hire you unless you bring something to the table that no other European can. If you are straight out of school, you have very little chances.



So I recommend going there for a couple years, save plenty of cash and then go somewhere to enjoy your life.

Another option if you are out of school is to get a masters in Lausanne (or Zurich, but Laussane sounds like more fun). Laussane is the only Swiss city I liked hanging out in (very strong student vibe). EPFL uni is famous worldwide and inside Switzerland you have a job almost guaranteed if you get a computer science degree from them (banks really like degrees from EPFL).

I will think about that btw i might meet some balkan girl there since i am from balkan and i have cousins there

Post: #30

Grüezi

Immigrant hating isn't that big of a deal as people are saying.
As you would work anyway in a major city like Zürich, Basel, Bern etc which are all extremely left (especially Zürich is horrible) so you won't get treated "bad". If you go outside of a "big" city they tend to be anti-immigrant that's for sure.

If you are serious about Switzerland go to https://www.englishforum.ch/
The Forum has tons and tons of information for you and the community is very friendly.

As you post it on this forum, I guess you are interested in gaming women as well. I can tell from my experience (I was born here) and from expats which I met many. It's very very hard to get women here. Especially from your country, it will be on hardcore edition. If you have bad game good luck xD

Also to meet new people you need as much work as for gaming women. My best friend is an expat from Germany and she is struggling even after 5 years to have a small group of friends.

Tell me when you visit Zürich. First beer is on me.

Post: #31

(01-21-2018 07:38 PM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  Grüezi

Immigrant hating isn't that big of a deal as people are saying.
As you would work anyway in a major city like Zürich, Basel, Bern etc which are all extremely left (especially Zürich is horrible) so you won't get treated "bad". If you go outside of a "big" city they tend to be anti-immigrant that's for sure.

If you are serious about Switzerland go to https://www.englishforum.ch/
The Forum has tons and tons of information for you and the community is very friendly.

As you post it on this forum, I guess you are interested in gaming women as well. I can tell from my experience (I was born here) and from expats which I met many. It's very very hard to get women here. Especially from your country, it will be on hardcore edition. If you have bad game good luck xD

Also to meet new people you need as much work as for gaming women. My best friend is an expat from Germany and she is struggling even after 5 years to have a small group of friends.

Tell me when you visit Zürich. First beer is on me.

Are people from balkan usually dating each other there ? and btw i am already registered on that englishforum.ch

Post: #32

(01-21-2018 03:46 PM)eonbre Wrote:  [quote='Stallion' pid='1722963' dateline='1516545896']


- FRENCH STRONGLY RECOMMENDED. You don't need to know it before you move, but once there I strongly suggest making an effort to learn it. Although everyone speaks English, all foreign professionals learn French very quickly.

So you'll look like a fool if you don't. I didn't meet a single successful expat who didn't speak decent French, even those working for English-speaking companies. Everyone assumes that the language is so easy, you will pick it up within your first year.

I haven't lived in the German side, but they have the reputation of hiring German speakers only.

Note that is location dependent. If you're nearer to Geneva he's correct. If you live on the Eastern side of the country German is the dominant language.

Post: #33

Usually, Balkan guys go for Balkan girls cause it's just easier (but of course they have almost no game). If you are good looking and have some game, you can get yourself a swiss girl for sure. Just be aware swiss women have a bit of a "who the fuck are you and are you one of "those" guys?" mindset. Show them you are different and I think it's gonna be fine. If you can get girls consistently in Switzerland, you are set for life in my opinion lol.

Post: #34

Switzerland is a beautiful country. The people are well-natured, respectable and tend to care about their country and local community. Hence I can understand why they are cautious about immigrants.

I can get that there isn't really a 'nightlife' as such compared to other countries in Europe, but for me its hands down one of the best places to live on the planet, if you have a decent job, and like the outdoors. The natural landscape is simply stunning, but I also like the peaceful feeling in Switzerland. Low crime rates, (mostly immigrants that commit the crimes to be fair) and a well-run system in regards to infrastructure, public transport and also politics. I like the fact that it's really clean. Nowhere can be 'too clean' in my opinion.

Go and spend sometime in a dirty country like India or Cambodia and you'll never take clean streets for granted again.

I would love to live there one day, although the challenge is finding a way in that is also compatible with my own career interests here in the UK, so we'll see. At least for now it can be a great place to go every year for a hiking trip, and a visit to one of their amazing natural springs.

From London, I can board a train to Paris, and then take a second train all the way to Lausanne, arriving by mid-afternoon, which makes it extremely convenient.

Post: #35

(01-26-2018 04:17 AM)Georges89 Wrote:  Switzerland is a beautiful country. The people are well-natured, respectable and tend to care about their country and local community. Hence I can understand why they are cautious about immigrants.

I can get that there isn't really a 'nightlife' as such compared to other countries in Europe, but for me its hands down one of the best places to live on the planet, if you have a decent job, and like the outdoors. The natural landscape is simply stunning, but I also like the peaceful feeling in Switzerland. Low crime rates, (mostly immigrants that commit the crimes to be fair) and a well-run system in regards to infrastructure, public transport and also politics. I like the fact that it's really clean. Nowhere can be 'too clean' in my opinion.

Go and spend sometime in a dirty country like India or Cambodia and you'll never take clean streets for granted again.

I would love to live there one day, although the challenge is finding a way in that is also compatible with my own career interests here in the UK, so we'll see. At least for now it can be a great place to go every year for a hiking trip, and a visit to one of their amazing natural springs.

From London, I can board a train to Paris, and then take a second train all the way to Lausanne, arriving by mid-afternoon, which makes it extremely convenient.

What do you do? btw how much can Software engineers earn from junior to senior?

Post: #36

(01-26-2018 06:36 AM)eonbre Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 04:17 AM)Georges89 Wrote:  Switzerland is a beautiful country. The people are well-natured, respectable and tend to care about their country and local community. Hence I can understand why they are cautious about immigrants.

I can get that there isn't really a 'nightlife' as such compared to other countries in Europe, but for me its hands down one of the best places to live on the planet, if you have a decent job, and like the outdoors. The natural landscape is simply stunning, but I also like the peaceful feeling in Switzerland. Low crime rates, (mostly immigrants that commit the crimes to be fair) and a well-run system in regards to infrastructure, public transport and also politics. I like the fact that it's really clean. Nowhere can be 'too clean' in my opinion.

Go and spend sometime in a dirty country like India or Cambodia and you'll never take clean streets for granted again.

I would love to live there one day, although the challenge is finding a way in that is also compatible with my own career interests here in the UK, so we'll see. At least for now it can be a great place to go every year for a hiking trip, and a visit to one of their amazing natural springs.

From London, I can board a train to Paris, and then take a second train all the way to Lausanne, arriving by mid-afternoon, which makes it extremely convenient.

What do you do? btw how much can Software engineers earn from junior to senior?

I'm building a career as an 2D Animator.

No idea about software engineers, but typically you may have more luck finding work with a technical skillset, so I imagine you should be able to find something if you have 1-2 years experience in your industry at least.

Post: #37

(01-14-2018 12:28 PM)Dragan Wrote:  They're not very immigration friendly if you're non EU. If you're wanted there by an employer, they have to go through a process of getting your immigration paperwork accepted. Why do you want to live there? Very expensive place and not very exciting.

"Very expensive place and not very exciting."

Seconded. I did a summer there as an intern when I was in college and found Switzerland beautiful but very boring. I went to France or Italy every weekend. I'd probably love it now that I'm almost 50 and like going to bed early though. For a younger man I'd recommend the wild-west style chaos and much prettier girls of eastern Europe instead.

Post: #38

(01-22-2018 06:01 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 03:46 PM)eonbre Wrote:  [quote='Stallion' pid='1722963' dateline='1516545896']


- FRENCH STRONGLY RECOMMENDED. You don't need to know it before you move, but once there I strongly suggest making an effort to learn it. Although everyone speaks English, all foreign professionals learn French very quickly.

So you'll look like a fool if you don't. I didn't meet a single successful expat who didn't speak decent French, even those working for English-speaking companies. Everyone assumes that the language is so easy, you will pick it up within your first year.

I haven't lived in the German side, but they have the reputation of hiring German speakers only.

Note that is location dependent. If you're nearer to Geneva he's correct. If you live on the Eastern side of the country German is the dominant language.

Also note that in German Switzerland even if you speak great Hochdeutsch you won't understand a word of Swiss German at first. It makes it awkward when your coworkers have to switch into Standard German when you're around or exclude you from the conversation.

Post: #39

I lived in Zurich for some years - the money is great but like another poster said, it's one of the most boring countries in the world. It's hard to socialize and make friends. You'll have money but you'll have to spend a lot in order to not go crazy

Post: #40

(01-28-2018 12:41 PM)swiss rabbit Wrote:  I lived in Zurich for some years - the money is great but like another poster said, it's one of the most boring countries in the world. It's hard to socialize and make friends. You'll have money but you'll have to spend a lot in order to not go crazy

I dont mind boring tho and i have cousins that live close to Zurich.

Post: #41

What IT job is most in demand in Switzerland and has highest earning potential?

Post: #42

(02-04-2018 07:37 AM)eonbre Wrote:  What IT job is most in demand in Switzerland and has highest earning potential?

Data Analytics

Post: #43

(01-28-2018 12:41 PM)swiss rabbit Wrote:  one of the most boring countries in the world. It's hard to socialize and make friends.

My soul, turn from them; turn we to survey
Where rougher climes a nobler race display,
Where the bleak Swiss their stormy mansions tread,
And force a churlish soil for scanty bread;...

Such are the charms to barren states assign'd;
Their wants but few, their wishes all confin'd.
Yet let them only share the praises due,
If few their wants, their pleasures are but few;

For every want that stimulates the breast,
Becomes a source of pleasure when redrest.
Whence from such lands each pleasing science flies,
That first excites desire, and then supplies;

Unknown to them, when sensual pleasures cloy,
To fill the languid pause with finer joy;
Unknown those powers that raise the soul to flame,
Catch every nerve, and vibrate through the frame.

Their level life is but a smould'ring fire,
Unquench'd by want, unfann'd by strong desire;
Unfit for raptures, or, if raptures cheer
On some high festival of once a year,

In wild excess the vulgar breast takes fire,
Till, buried in debauch, the bliss expire.
But not their joys alone thus coarsely flow:
Their morals, like their pleasures, are but low;

For, as refinement stops, from sire to son
Unalter'd, unimprov'd the manners run;
And love's and friendship's finely pointed dart
Fall blunted from each indurated heart. …

Post: #44

How much does renting cost?

Post: #45

In GVA you would be lucky to find a decent 30 square meters studio for around 1500 per month in the city center.
I have a friend paying 4000 per month for a 50 square meters, one bedroom apartment.
Most people are paying more than 1000 for a room in a shared apartment.

Of course getting far from the center (or even crossing the border to a nearby French village) can save you tons of money.

To get an idea of prices, check http://www.glocals.com/classifieds/housi...al-estate/
That website is where most of my friends (locals and expats) found their accommodation. Also great to find second hand stuff and furniture (kind of a Swiss craiglist).

The alternative is to pay for a professional real estate agency (called "regis"). They will take one month rent as payment.

If you get lucky you can find bargains, but don't count on it (there is much more demand than offer, so landlords can ask whatever they want).


Can't speak for other areas of Switzerland, but GVA is supposed to be one of the most expensive ones.

Post: #46

Yeah that and Zurich. There are loads of expat Facebook sites for Switzerland in general and there are often apartments etc to rent there.

Also try anibis.ch

You're a bit lazy with all this OP. A lot of your questions could have been answered with 5 mins on google.

On a brighter note, is dragging out the Swiss crew on rvf. When are we all meeting up for a ski session?