Post: #26

Go and Listen to Roosh's christmas video the second or third call, it's about not chasing the girl who is actively looking for a determined social status in a man.

Also since you said she wants to get married before sex that means she is not actually looking for rich partners so she is leaving in a fantasy, that sort of thinking its akin to the ten year old who wants to.

Green dwells too much inside the world of ideas at the end of the day you need to make the painful step to start pondering about the things the concrete world has to offer.

Post: #27

(01-08-2018 12:32 PM)#_# Wrote:  Hey folks, this is my first post here, nice to meet you all.

A little bit about me: I'm 25, my looks and game are well above average, I'm getting laid on a regular basis and have no problems with a lack of sex.

However, there's this one girl, whom I've known for over 20 years, we went to school together etc. She's always been hot, but I never thought about putting some effort into banging her.

She's always playing hard to get, never lets anyone get close to her, unless they are rich and she sees them as a future partner (there's been this one case where she wanted to get my well-off friend, but he's married now, so she's pretty much screwed).

A few days ago we got together and she's hot as fuck, I definitely need to bang her, she sees me as her friend (naturally, I've never attempted anything intimate.), we were drunk and I let myself to throw in some sex jokes, even touching her lightly, but she's a stubborn-ass girl. I knew if I tried to go further she would have started screaming or something.

Basically, she's a bore, stupid, i'll-only-fuck-my-husband type of girl, but I want to fuck the shit out of her, lol. I wouldn't even show myself with a girl this stupid in a serious relationship, but her hard to get game is getting me aroused and I won't settle until I score this one. I just don't wanna blow this, cause she's the type that gets offended easily.

How are these types of girls cracked?

I have had some of this type, but I always managed to get them in the end, but nothing really works on this one, neither being an asshole nor a nice guy (in terms of game).

What advice would do you have for me?

Dude are you Georgian?

You are 25 and you have known the girl for over 20 years. WTF. Is she your neighbor, relative or kindergarten classmate?

Post: #28

Once you're in the friend zone, there's no easy way to get out. The effort you have to put is not worth it. Girls of a feather flock together!

Why don't you just seduce one of her friends?

Post: #29

Agreed with above. It’s hard to break out of the friend zone unless you happen to catch em at some emotional point in their life (which is not a good strategy for any man)

With that being said, a girl wanting money is just surface level shit. Could mean she wants a guy who hustles (not so bad as it means she’s ambitious and has dreams) or she wants someone to take care of her (spoiled and lazy, but you can call her out on it and assume father figure role with no money)

Post: #30

@musampa

been together since elementary school and yes I'm Georgian, why?

@openhorizons

I'm not friendzoned bro, never made any real move and she's not even aware of it. Just described my situation here to find out wether or not it was worth a shot. And why seduce her friends, gonna do me any good? ?

@Ultimate Wingman

The latest is true, just like any other girl she wants a provider so she can get on with her lazy boring ass life.

Post: #31

To answer the OP

Quote:she sees me as her friend (naturally, I've never attempted anything intimate.), we were drunk and I let myself to throw in some sex jokes, even touching her lightly

I knew if I tried to go further she would have started screaming or something

There it goes.
I read an article about the sexual duplicity and how the me too shit is exposing sexually duplicitous men. That is why you cannot crack this girl. Much like Aziz Azari you have presented yourself to this women in a certain light--A nice guy frame. Now you're making sexual advances that are unwanted and making her uncomfortable. You need to be more direct next time but not before she sees you out pulling other girls.

Talk to her about other conquests.
Ask her sex related questions (like you're looking for advice) and then in an honest and innocent way low key pepper in some shit about your sexual prowess. You want to subconsciously change her to see you in a sexual frame--youre trying to wear down the "nice guy frame" you have established.

Only when she starts making statements to you that would indicate jealously or even her probing you for you interests, subtly shut her down/accuse her of hitting on you in a fun way:
"oh but you don't like me remember" (smile at her)
"if these girls are good enough for me what girls are? you?!" (said in a fun way)
Shit like that. the goal is to put her in a position where she is aware that there is a sexual attraction. She will probably start breaking the touch barrier at some point and that is when you go for the kill and start escalating. Don't be a pussy if she asks you what you are doing be direct.

You gotta put her in a situation where she has the opportunity to reject you. If she does game other girls in her face, rinse, wash, repeat

Longstory short: become a chick

-put her in the friendzone and talk to her about your relationships and fucking other girls
-make sure she sees you womanizing
-when she starts orbiting and showing interest disqualify her but lead/let her in on her bubbling attraction
-when she starts trying to hog your attention escalate

Post: #32

(01-16-2018 05:36 PM)#_# Wrote:  @openhorizons I'm not friendzoned bro, never made any real move and she's not even aware of it. Just described my situation here to find out wether or not it was worth a shot. And why seduce her friends, gonna do me any good? ?

You may think you're not in the friendzone but everything you've described sounds like this. The basic idea I share with you is that it's pointless to pursue a female friend, especially if she believes you are ONLY friends. What you can do is to focus on her friends. Hot girls have hot friends.

Anyway, update us on your progress.

Post: #33

50 million Deutschmark!!! Helsinki???
50% of the time it works all the time

Post: #34

@Mufasa

nice points there buddy.

@openhorizons

she does, lol

@Travel Museums

what u mean?

Post: #35

I say Berlin? And you hear Helsinki? You’re fired bob! You’re fucking fired!!

Print out the graphs from your computer.

Make sure your dad isn’t eating in same restaurant.

Post: #36

u high bruh? :\

Post: #37

Why don't you invite her somewhere out of town - kind of isolate her from an ordinary environment where you interact as friends. The place where you both would stay overnight, spa, resort, cottage, short trip etc. sort of weekend retreat. As Roosh says some booze spices up things and I believe in those situations there is more chance to get out of that friend zone.

Post: #38

(01-17-2018 05:05 PM)#_# Wrote:  u high bruh? :\

No he's teasing you and quoting this skit from a movie:





Just ignore him.

What's ironic is Travel is the guy in the video, a big baller troll.

Post: #39

I wanna update this thread, something happened last night and you tell me if I should keep going.

So we had this classmate reunion (which we do pretty often, cause almost all of us live close to each other. I was the initiator this time though.) at my buddy's house, naturally, she was there. I kept in mind everything I read here so I just kept ignoring her, not in a way that she would know I'm doing it on purpose, but you know...

The girls weren't drinking so me and my boys insisted on it, told them how much bores they were n shit. So finally this particular girl gets kinda drunk and gets friendly with everyone, but I'm the only one that shrugs her off with "know your place", "you're getting on my nerves" and crap like that.

I never thought it would work, but seemingly booze does its job so she asked me to go outside to talk. There was some usual crap about me being an asshole and how upset she was about it. Then she started talking about her problems and why she was upset, I told her to stop wasting my time with her shit cause I was freezing (I actually was lol), so we went back inside and she exchanged sits with my friends to sit next to me.

After that she was being clingy all night and I was brushing her off, naturally. She's the kinda girl who's used to attention so she couldn't stand my behavior and I think she wanted to get back at me somehow. When we decided to take off she wanted to me to accompany her to her place, being scared at night and all that shit. I didn't want to, but I told her "sure, only you can keep your mouth shut". I guess that was too much and she got offended, I said idc and was about to take off but she asked me again and I agreed.

I was still acting like a douchebag on the way to her place, when we get there she invites me to have tea (I thought she wanted to get my hopes up by inviting me in, tease me and then make me leave empty handed, you know, her way of getting revenge), so I refuse, say I got business to do and she tries to hug me out of nowhere, I dodged her to offend her even more, she gets mad, yells at me, "wtf is wrong with you tonight" etc.

I knew instantly it was a good sign (or not?), so I start to tease her, "you wanna keep me here by just giving me a hug? I was expecting more, I'm disappointed" etc. She was kinda surprised by it but didn't go in, she hesitated, had this phone in her hands and kept doing nothing, literally, she was just browsing through some apps. I took this as a sign, thought she wanted me to make a move, but I didn't risk it, wouldn't want to give her a chance to ignore me or something, so I say "is that all, unless you wanna try something else, I'm outta here", she said something like "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I'm feeling kinda lonely" and then she went for a kiss.

I kissed her and wanted it to last but it wasn't a passionate kiss, more like "I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me, but somehow I wanna keep you here, so, here goes...", lol, am I reading her the correct way? I hope.. so I break up the kiss, saying I didn't really like and took off. Last glance and the look on her face was priceless, madness, anger and confusion mixed together.

Now some of you might say I should've gone in and hoped something would happen, but knowing her, she would think "he's mine now" or something like that and I would get nowhere, a boob grab at max. I wanted to leave her wishing for more, I know she was drunk, but she's probably still gonna continue.

She called me this morning apologizing and saying she didn't know what got into her last night. But she had this soft, obedient tone (totally unlike her) so I know she's feeling something. She told me if I can talk to her sometime in person about the stuff that happened. I told her that wasn't a big deal for me, even teased her about kissing, saying that was kinda amateur etc. She kinda liked it.

What do I do now? I think some absence will do the trick, no? If I disappear from her sight for a few days (both social media and in person), will she forget all of it or will she want more?

Oh, one more thing, her friend, who is also my friend gave me a hint about what happened, so I know she talked to her, I know it's usual for girls to talk over shit like this, but is this a good sign?

I don't wanna blow it, so, what's the next move?

Post: #40

So this girl you've been wanting to bang asked you to take her home, when you got to the house she invited you in, she initiated physical contact and then you turn and ran?

Post: #41

@Turnus

I explained everything in the fucking details, I know her better, so I know what was that about, it definitely was not about come-in-fuck-me-and-then-leave type of situation, genius.

Post: #42

You think banging her will ruin your chances with her? You're pedastalizing her and being way too fucking nice. She wanted dick and you were being weird, standoffish and rude. All the while hinting that you were trying to fuck her. It was working somehow, to your credit. But then the moment came and you dipped?

What are you doing man? Fucking a girl isn't going to make her like you less. Why didn't you just smash and cuddle to sleep if you like her so much?

Post: #43

@Eugenics

you don't seem to get it, I was there and I can say for sure she wanted to lure me in and not fuck me after, she's sneaky like that. I gotta build up enough temptation so she cannot resist fucking me sober, lol

there's one more thing you need to understand, "fucking" in this country is a big deal for girls because of religious upbringing, virginity and shit and this girl has not even kissed a guy properly let alone fuck one, so yes I'm pretty sure I made the right move and no I didn't run away, it was a tactical move to leave her wanting for more, the moment was not right and I didn't want to go only half-way.

From the moment we met yesterday the chances I had of banging her was equal to 0 but I got something out of it, meaning I'm doing it right, don't be so straightforward, no woman's mind works like that.

Post: #44

You're still investing in only ONE girl....

She also friend zoned you and your advances...

She told you her preferences...afterall...she went after one of your friends...

You've told us you wouldn't deal with her in an LTR, but all this girl is, is an LTR girl...


This ship is dead in the water, move on.

Post: #45

@kaotic

thanks for the advice but I refuse to take most of it seriously.

some time ago you were telling me the same thing, but I know I can bang her without promising her any LTR.

I'm pretty certain it'll happen soon, so if I had followed what you guys said, I wouldn't be thinking about that right now.

Also, banging a girl who isn't into you - this kind of thinking is kinda lame, do you never get fired up to get what you "can't" get?

I've banged such girls in the past and this is happening now as well, asshole attitude works most of the time.

Post: #46

You're not understanding what we're trying to point out, you're repeating the same statements, do what you want.

Feel free to update.

Post: #47

Update:

I got good signals, two of which are:

one - she's tracking my fb posts, asking me about the girls who comment and being openly jealous of them, even told me they're kinda lucky coz they get a better treatment. I had a live (on purpose) with my hot ex yesterday and she got pretty mad, telling me I shouldn't hook up with her again, she's gonna leave me blah blah blah.

two - after I got home she called me and talked to me for over 2 hours, most of it was a bunch of flirting shit, even some sex jokes (which she was taking very proudly but I knew she would've freaked out if she heard anything like that before from me), she even told me her fb password to check out the guys who're hitting on her and kinda give her advice (desperate attempt to make me jealous if u ask me) but the best thing is she said she wants to see me again tonight, but at my place instead. this is a good sign cause I know she won't be alone tonight (her mum and brother are gonna be at home), but she never had a problem inviting me there, even with her family around. so, why would she wanna see me alone now, at my place?

lol, I think I'm gonna get laid tonight, maybe snap a pic of victory for y'all as a credit to rooshv society, haha.

Post: #48

Goal achieved, topic closed, thanks for the contributions.

:fuckyea: