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(Reposted from my blog)

My second year (and first full year) in the game was an auspicious one, with plenty of experimentation and travel.

Notches

28 (2016: 20)

12 in San Francisco
8 in a third-tier US city where I was living over the summer
3 during a trip to Guatemala City
3 during a trip to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico
1 during a trip to Argentina
1 during a work trip in Seattle

Notch Sources

All were from online.

24 Tinder
2 Bumble
2 Instagram

I also did 55 daygame approaches, got 9 numbers, had 2 dates, but zero bangs. Clearly, my daygame needs work, but for reasons I'll outline in a future post, I don't think daygame works well in San Francisco.

Notch Quality

Disclaimer: I have one of the "harshest" and most accurate rating systems that I know of in the community (nearly ever guy overrates). I'm still working on my full 1-10 rating scale with pictorial evidence, which can serve as reference to the community and hopefully stop the number inflation trend.

One 4.5, five 5s, three 5.5s, seven 6s, four 6.5s, five 7s, and one 7.5.

Average notch rating: 6.03 (2016: 5.725)

I was shooting for better quality this year, and did marginally well, but still wasn't able to fully get there, mostly because lack of abundance made me reach below my level on occasion.

Unsurprisingly, my average rating in San Francisco was 5.71, meaning that everywhere else I did much better than here. Speaks to the incredible difficulty and low quality of women available in this city.

Conversion Rate (Notches/First Dates)

An important metric that tracks how good my "date game", as well as my screening, is. Note that this means new notches per each girl I saw, not multiple dates with the same girl.

This was:

53%, or 8/15 while traveling. Surprised this isn't higher as I was usually pretty clear that I was just visiting, but I'm continually impressed at the number of girls that will waste time going out on dates with a guy passing through and not give it up.

42%, or 8/19 in the third-tier US City.

39%, or 12/31 in San Francisco (including a terrible streak from October to December where I took 11 girls out and closed 1 of them).

Overall, I believe these numbers to be pretty low. This signals that there is still a problem with what I'm doing on dates. This is unfortunate, because I feel that my dates are the thing I've worked to improve most this year. More work is needed.

Bucket List Notches

Virgin and minus 10 year age difference

Met an 18-year-old on Tinder, and took a phone call and some Snapchat comfort before she drove an hour out to meet me. On the first date, I took her out for coffee and found out that she was not only a virgin, but hadn't kissed a guy before. I brought her back to my place and taught her how to kiss and how to give head — it was adorable. For our second meet, I took her virginity, making her orgasm twice through penetration. It was incredible and left me wanting more. She was a sweet, introverted girl and we got along well.

Shorter than 5 feet

Had some of the most passionate sex of my life with a 4'11" Guatemalan girl. Latinas are something special.

Girl with "no hookups" in her online dating profile

Smashed an introverted Thai au pair off of Tinder. She wasn't a looker (5), but I wanted the bucket list and it ended a five week dry streak. I actually ended up texting her to see if she wanted to come over again, and she turned me down for "not wanting a relationship". Clever girl.

Threesome and girl in non-open relationship

My spontaneous threesome in Cabo featured a girl who was cheating on her boyfriend. I follow her on Instagram and she continues to post photos of him with captions expressing her undying love. I don't understand monogamy.

Three girls in three days

At the end of April, I had a pretty incredible streak of three girls in three days. One was a two-date (I had taken her out for coffee the day before, then we grabbed dinner the following night), another I took out to a bar and successfully took home the next night, and the final night I cooked dinner for yet another at my house (after meeting her for five minutes in public upon her request).

Two girls in a day

I followed that streak with a wonderful September 1, where I fucked a 7 after inviting her over for lunch and a 7.5 after inviting her over for dinner. Both were second dates (in the summer I was generally running Blackdragon's two-date model).

More Fun Stories

Had a date with a 9 and a 9.5. The 9 was a Venezuelan full-time model in Guatemala (pictorial equivalent) and the 9.5 was the legitimate hottest girl in third-tier US city I was living in (pictorial equivalent). Unfortunately, I didn't so much as kiss these girls. Either my game just isn't to that level yet or they had a different image of me online than what I presented in person. Either way, it was a nice preview of what is to come once I improve my game.

Gave a 22-year-old Asian virgin with social anxiety her first kiss. She was literally trembling on the date. I ran good game with tons of comfort, calmed her down, and took her for a walk around the block. "Have you ever kissed a guy?" "No." "Do you want to?" "Yes." She had no idea how to kiss and wasn't coachable. I didn't contact her again.

Fucked a college student who drove an hour to come see me using fake threesome game on Tinder. Blog post to come... maybe. Not sure if I want to reveal this secret yet.

Fucked a Chinese girl in Seattle using headless+shirtless photo/explicit bio game. She never saw a photo of my face before meeting. Blog post about this type of game to come.

Fucked two girls after inviting them over directly after daytime tea dates. Shattered my perception that you have to take girls out for drinks at night to bang them.

Analysis of My Game in 2017

In 2016, I ran almost straight "DTF pitch" game, where I explicitly invited girls from Tinder over to my house for dinner, then fucked them. While this was fun and minimized my time investment, my game hardly improved, and I knew if I was shooting for quality I had to start taking girls out on dates. I discovered Blackdragon's two-date model: a one-hour drinks/coffee date for D1, and an invitation over for dinner for D2. While I still lost a ton of girls between D1 and D2, I believe this was a reason for my slight bump in quality this year.

I experimented with Instagram game. I fucked two girls from cold DMs on Instagram and had dates with many more. My initial impression is that it hasn't been worth the time I spent on it and the focus on it over the past year from various guys is exaggerated.

I massively improved my date game. At the beginning of the year, I was running too much clown game on dates — talking about myself too much, teasing, laughing, joking. Too high energy. I started recording dates and sending them to a chat group I was in. After careful analysis and feedback I changed my tonality and vibe to be quieter, more questioning, more alpha, but continuing the teasing.

I improved my text game, with the help of feedback from Yohami and others. By the end of the year, I've dialed my text game back from rapport-seeking texts and ping texts (a lá Krauser and Tom Torero) to game that I believe works better on American girls: I write less, invest less, and don't seek rapport.

With the help of Magnum and Blackdragon, I improved my date pitch transition from online, cutting down on my flake percentage. It was 85% in October, and while I haven't kept good track, I'd wager it's down to 60%. Instead of getting the girls number, chatting for a while, and then pitching a date, I lock down the date, time, and location of the date immediately on the app, then get her number in case something comes up.

As I traveled to in different cities, I became even more acutely aware that San Francisco is the worst city in the United States for girls, and that living here is truly like being run through a crucible. (I feel like a broken record here, but more on this in a future post).

Finally, during the last three months of the year, I hit a rough patch as I moved back to San Francisco and girls weren't as easy as where I was living over the summer. I dedicated myself to studying game. I started this blog, sought out new mentors and wings, read and posted on more forums, and got inspiration from RSD, Blackdragon JMULV, and Playing with Fire. December specifically was a breakthrough month, where I really feel like my understanding of women has broken through to a next level, which hopefully translates into a killer 2018.

Post: #2

Well done! looking forward to your "rating system" thread

couple of things:

- I personally don't like coffee dates, they're more for business meetings, I'd usually go for drinks, if not ice cream

- I'm not a fan of 2dates, I'd go for the bang on 1st.... I usually next her if I don't get it on the first.

- while I'm not against taking them (out) for dinner, I'd rather go for tapas (something light) and drinks. On the other hand, inviting them over for dinner is definitely a solid approach

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(01-01-2018 11:44 AM)PecsPerfection Wrote:  Well done! looking forward to your "rating system" thread

couple of things:

- I personally don't like coffee dates, they're more for business meetings, I'd usually go for drinks, if not ice cream

- I'm not a fan of 2dates, I'd go for the bang on 1st.... I usually next her if I don't get it on the first.

- while I'm not against taking them (out) for dinner, I'd rather go for tapas (something light) and drinks. On the other hand, inviting them over for dinner is definitely a solid approach

I don't drink and I also have a flexible schedule, so coffee dates were good for students or nurses that might be busy at night but free during the afternoon. The trick to it not seeming like a business meeting is the choice of place, you can't just do it in a well-lit Peets. My go-to place was this dark, chill tea room, sadly I now live in another city and don't really have a place anymore, so now I just do drinks.

The 2 date model works best for me because I stack a bunch of dates on top of each other when I can, sometimes up to three dates a night. Also, I've found that it actually reduces total time spent with a girl, i.e. you can do an hour-long first date and then second date you don't even have to leave the house, you can just bang here right there. It also eliminates LMR, on the second date the girls know they're going to bang.

Yeah, I always invite over for dinner because I know I'm going to be cooking dinner anyway, so it's like they're tagging along for my life. Only went out to dinner once last year and that's because my roommates were having a get-together at our house and we didn't have privacy in the kitchen.

Post: #4

" I started recording dates and sending them to a chat group I was in."

This is some HARDCORE stuff here. Did you transcribe an audio recording or did you actually ask people to listen through the actual date?

Post: #5

(01-01-2018 01:13 PM)questor70 Wrote:  " I started recording dates and sending them to a chat group I was in."

This is some HARDCORE stuff here. Did you transcribe an audio recording or did you actually ask people to listen through the actual date?

People listened to the whole date and gave feedback on specific parts. I annotated the audio using SoundCloud.

It's the best way to actually get better — analyzing every conversation, segué, shit test, and how you handled it.

Post: #6

Nice breakdown on a solid year. Just curious - where was the 18 y.o virgin rated on your looks? Also, the 2 date system you referenced is something I will try this year. Was there ever any push back/flaking out on date #2?

Post: #7

That blonde chick is in no ways a 9.5... harsh rating system? Top super models are 9.5's.
   

Post: #8

Thanks for sharing OP, interesting read.

Post: #9

(01-01-2018 02:25 PM)treypound Wrote:  Nice breakdown on a solid year. Just curious - where was the 18 y.o virgin rated on your looks? Also, the 2 date system you referenced is something I will try this year. Was there ever any push back/flaking out on date #2?

18yo virgin was a 5.

Lots of flaking on date 2. Pretty typical for SF though, so not sure if it's due to the city or my game. Probably both? In any case, many of the girls I 2-dated were K-selected, so I probably wouldn't have been able to hook up with them on the first date anyway. When I see a major K-selected girl, I often try to bring her back on the first date.

(01-01-2018 03:13 PM)xxx Wrote:  That blonde chick is in no ways a 9.5... harsh rating system? Top super models are 9.5's.

Top supermodels are selected for their body types (tall, thin) and high cheekbones, not necessarily being the essence of physical beauty. Here's the 5'11" Toni Garrn without makeup, by the way:

Post: #10

Well if you like girls with flat cheekbones... I don't.

The chick you showed is a 7.5 at most and worth around 150$ were I'm from.

Would love to see her without makeup.

Post: #11

Rating system is all a matter of taste and very subjective.
Great review though. I like how detailed you were in your approach to your pick up year.

And regarding San Francisco, yea, I've heard a lot of bad things about the city. I'm a strong believer in the importance of location. I have witnessed the difference first hand and would recommend you avoid places like SF unless you really have to stay there of course

Post: #12

Maybe I missed it in the OP, but how old are ya?

Post: #13

(01-01-2018 09:36 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  Maybe I missed it in the OP, but how old are ya?

30

(01-01-2018 08:24 PM)xxx Wrote:  Well if you like girls with flat cheekbones... I don't.

The chick you showed is a 7.5 at most and worth around 150$ were I'm from.

Would love to see her without makeup.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you're debating a "pictorial representation". All I did was type in dolled up blonde with a curvy figure and a nice rack into Google Images and looked around for a couple minutes until I found one that fit. The girl I went out with was a legit 9.5. Nearly everything about her was perfect — 21 years old with a youthful glow, great sense of style, makeup, DD breasts, and a thin waist. Guys in the bar were staring at us. Orbiters galore on her Instagram photos. Like I said, in the process of exploring online dating I looked at every single hot girl in that city on Instagram and she was the hottest one. The only way she loses a point is that her skin was not perfect.

But I digress. Didn't fuck her, so it doesn't matter. Onto the next one

Post: #14

I'm curious on the best memories that you made in 2017 while leaving out all the data, notch counts, statistics, redpill, and pua stuff.

I like reading stories from guys that make me think to myself, "that sounds amazing - I want to do that."

So, what is the feeling? Where were you? What did she say to you? How did it feel when the moment was over? When you had sex, did everything else in your head disappear, was all forgiven? Did you add more stuff to your game theories or did throw more stuff away? Did your game evolve in a linear line uphill where you figured more stuff out or was the "ah ha" moment more like a circle, leading you back to where you began with insecurities and unknowings but accepting it?

Post: #15

(12-31-2017 10:59 PM)corsega Wrote:  Notch Sources

All were from online.

The first thing you need to fix is this...

Post: #16

(01-02-2018 02:50 AM)Irish Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 10:59 PM)corsega Wrote:  Notch Sources

All were from online.

The first thing you need to fix is this...

55 daygame approaches and 10+ hours invested walking the streets, taking time out of my workday afternoons and evenings. Nothing to show for it.

And despite not drinking and not living within 10 miles of a nightgame location, I did 60+ nightgame approaches with nothing to show for it (collected ~10 numbers/Instagrams and never even had a girl reply to the text the next day).

So no, I don't think I need to fix the fact that I can swipe with no pants on and write scripts that automate a process that gets me access to the hottest girls with minimal time investment.

P.S. good luck finding 18-year-olds that go outside anymore: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...on/534198/

Post: #17

Thanks for sharing your review.

I think, especially meeting women 100% through online apps, a 2-date set is imperative. It just allows you to screen them better.

Maybe they are a SIF. Maybe you just don't vibe with her. Maybe she talks too much. Etc.

These online whores are too crafty nowadays to just invite over from Tinder. Hell, I've done it many times myself and been SIF'd. The risk/reward just isn't worth it, IMO.

Or the worst is talking yourself into banging her anyway (i.e. well, she's not THAT fat, and I'm horny, and it's a sure thing...) only to regret it in the morning. The booze eventually wears off.

Post: #18

You know you can screen pretty readily for SIFs right?

No body shot = SIF

Facebook angles and mostly headshots = SIF

If you still aren't sure, turn the conversation sexual (something you should be doing anyway) and get pictures.

Post: #19

1a. As Irish wrote, the first thing I noticed was the 100% online as your source. If you were in FSU, I think it would be reasonable to tell you to GTFO outside. The quality of the girls IRL, especially during the day, is just no comparison for what you can get online.

1b. However, since you are in San Francisco, USA, it's reasonable to expect an extremely low ROI from day game in comparison, even though the quality outside IRL is still far better than online. Whether you have realistic chances with that quality is another question. It's a question in every country but enough of a hindrance in this part of the country that I understand your day game experiment numbers. Also, 3rd tier USA tends to be more spread out so the hotties will be hard to find in enough concentration to do effective day game. Your stats for 9/55 numbers aren't abnormal. One of those dates statistically should have led to a lay but since 2 is such a small sample number, impossible to state if there is a problem there. But 55 and 0 at the same time as you're getting lays from online - I understand why you're not choosing day game over online. Online just gets depressing for me due to the low quality. It may be that you are just far better looking than me and can access girls +1 point or higher than I ever could.

1c. I don't think there is a problem on your date game, even 39%, or much you can do to improve that rate, it's pretty decent man, well done. Dates to nowhere are a (fucking annoying) cost of doing business. I'd imagine if you bolt on a good lead gathering location to your good date to bang ratio then you would experience a staggering quality uplift just by changing your input source of girls. When I change my input from day game to online I find myself working harder to get leads, sure, but when I'm out with online girls I just want to fuck and be done with it, and I don't feel good being out with them, even if they are not ugly per se, I just know I could do much better. With day game girls, I feel pride, not just because I got them from a mall or street approach, but because they are of such higher quality than online. Although real life game builds balls like nothing else, again I understand your choice, given your location, but if that changes, you might want to consider a different source of leads. I don't know where all the "hot" or even "decently attractive and not fucking batshit crazy" girls are online, even less so when you consider most of them are on these apps for attention. But again, looks could be a major factor.

1d. I can't criticize though. We all do online because it's easier to sit in our pants and swipe through junk vagina than it is to go out there, walk around, get shit scared of a beautiful girl we should be getting, and chat her up. Especially the case if in the US.


2. I'm curious to see your rating scale. You say it's harsh. I wonder if it's as harsh (but in my opinion accurate) as mine. I definitely agree there's a lot of "solid 8" "super hot 9" "HB10" stuff on the forum to the point where I can't really know what level these girls actually are. Then the 6s... some guys are referring to a 6 as some moderately ugly girl or something... that I would describe as 3 or 4 and would not go near. I'm not saying my rating system is the best it's more that we don't have a Uniform Rating System, even that which discounts subjective preferences, so it really is Uniform. I never rate a girl a 9 or a 10 because they don't exist. I almost never rate a girl 8 either. There is a "9-10 type" which is the usual high-heel, model looking, well dressed, sexy, heavy makeup etc. high maintenance looking girl who is often referred to as a 9 or 10 due to a mixture of her high-end looks and the difficulty in getting her versus a more naturally pretty "7" who is humble and doesn't wear much makeup at all and dresses without fuss.

For example your first "9" I would rate as a 7-7.2. Your second "9.5" is more the "type" I'm talking about. Yes she is a head turner and is sexy as hell but has on heavy makeup and is very well put together style wise, apart from that nose piercing. She's also the type of girl in South America that could have a dick. But since in 3rd tier USA she's going to be among the "hottest". Plus points are that she is sexy as hell as she looks. Minus points are she has heavy makeup, and could be shockingly plain without it. I also don't like girls who have their throats stick out like that, that happens with being too thin or getting a bit old, plus again that nose piercing (why oh why do they do that). But with the makeup, tan, hair extensions and all things considered as she looks 7.75. Without makeup, tan, hair extensions she could drop down to who knows what. That being said, as she looks there, I would lick her asshole for hours with no hesitation. I think most people are going to look at that photo and rubbish any sort of 7 range talk, and go for 9 and 10, but it works. As for her difficulty, yes there are some who are exceptionally easy/where you get lucky, but generally yeah I see why some guys say 9 or 10 based on how in demand this type of girl is. I just try to make some sort of uniform approximation of her objective physical attractiveness. This type of difficulty girl is what you get when you're either lucky as fuck or a legit dirtbag with buckets of confidence and extreme amounts of experience, that or some guy with very high status in her social circle. I would also fail at getting this girl if out on a date. I would try to tease the shit out of her and depending on how hard negs she can take keep doing that with a bit of qualification, like going back to hardcore MM stuff, as well as just escalating at the same time, mostly out of sheer desire. Sometimes the hottest ones bring out our best game, they are inspiring, other times they just make us shit ourselves. I have had instances of both. I am not at the level of that girl yet though part of me feels I should be. For instance, in the day time, this is the type of girl I am intimidated by and scared to approach, so I approach less intimidating girls who are still pretty or even beautiful, but a lot of these girls are intimidated by me! Attracted but scared and fumbling words. Same as I am when in front of the intimidating girls, or if I'm confident they just take it comfortably in their stride. Frustrating!

I agree totally on the models/supermodels thing. Millions upon millions of hotter women out there than models/supermodels. They are selected based upon suitability, not necessarily just for raw attractiveness.


3. I agree that the genuine "K Selecting" girls just won't put out on first date, so best to make it short, but there is flaking then between D1 and D2 which is annoying. Anywhere in the world, not much you can do about that. The one thing I "like" about western dating is that it's fast. If she's out with you and drinking alcohol and you don't fuck up and logistics are decent, you have a very good chance of D1 bang. Not so in other cultures, the relatively K selecting girls are just a taster of the "dates to nowhere".

4. Your traveling girl close rate is great, don't beat yourself up about it. Girls will come out curious, for something different, but either ambivalent or having no intention of giving it up, it's annoying but girls love attention and something to spice up their boring lives. A lot won't dole out sex in compensation to a short-term traveler. They're not all not out for casual sex or able to do the pump and dump thing, at least at that time, with you.

5. Regardless of source the amount of notches is more than nearly all guys will ever reach in their life. I think you've found a niche in online game so good for you. You mentioned a shirtless pic pull so I'm guessing you're working the looks angle as that is the main advantage (for shredded guys) and disadvantage (for all other guys) of online game. You have courage for wading through the muck to find anything decent online. Nevertheless I have to say if you had done this from night or especially day game, you'd probably be getting requests on your blog for coaching and bootcamp services etc.

Props on grinding through the "crucible" of SF. Fucking hell. 12 lays there "even" from online is a great achievement that I could not match.

Post: #20

(01-02-2018 04:33 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  Thanks for sharing your review.

I think, especially meeting women 100% through online apps, a 2-date set is imperative. It just allows you to screen them better.

Maybe they are a SIF. Maybe you just don't vibe with her. Maybe she talks too much. Etc.

These online whores are too crafty nowadays to just invite over from Tinder. Hell, I've done it many times myself and been SIF'd. The risk/reward just isn't worth it, IMO.

Or the worst is talking yourself into banging her anyway (i.e. well, she's not THAT fat, and I'm horny, and it's a sure thing...) only to regret it in the morning. The booze eventually wears off.

There are no secret internet fatties in 2017, just internet fatties ;-). It's very easy to get an idea of what a girl looks like from her photos and/or Instagram, and 95% of the time I'm able to find out her first and last name from looking up her phone number (putting a girl's phone number into Facebook search will come back with her profile about 30% of the time), name, age, and other contextual information. Christ, I should be a private detective after all of this.

Not vibing/talking too much are not turn-offs for me. I'm using these girls for sex, I don't care about their personalities.

(01-02-2018 05:33 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  However, since you are in San Francisco, USA, it's reasonable to expect an extremely low ROI from day game in comparison, even though the quality outside IRL is still far better than online. Whether you have realistic chances with that quality is another question. It's a question in every country but enough of a hindrance in this part of the country that I understand your day game experiment numbers. Also, 3rd tier USA tends to be more spread out so the hotties will be hard to find in enough concentration to do effective day game. Your stats for 9/55 numbers aren't abnormal. One of those dates statistically should have led to a lay but since 2 is such a small sample number, impossible to state if there is a problem there. But 55 and 0 at the same time as you're getting lays from online - I understand why you're not choosing day game over online. Online just gets depressing for me due to the low quality. It may be that you are just far better looking than me and can access girls +1 point or higher than I ever could.

Right, San Francisco is very low volume. Perhaps you know Nash from Days of Game. He is my regular daygame wing when I do go out and he can attest that I've gone several hours during a session without seeing a single girl that's worth opening. Of course, he is into rich/artsy Asian girls, so he has a field day. I value our daygame sessions more for the background talk about theory and game than the actual approaches.

(01-02-2018 05:33 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  1d. I can't criticize though. We all do online because it's easier to sit in our pants and swipe through junk vagina than it is to go out there, walk around, get shit scared of a beautiful girl we should be getting, and chat her up. Especially the case if in the US.

To further clarify, the only reason I do online is because of time, not ease. I was born with zero approach anxiety and I love getting rejected. I have no problem walking up to a 10 and talking to her, and I used to do so even back in high school and college when I had no game.

(01-02-2018 05:33 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  I never rate a girl a 9 or a 10 because they don't exist. I almost never rate a girl 8 either.

This doesn't make sense. You might as well make your scale from 0 to 8, then. On a 1-10 scale, girls should be able to be rated 9s and 10s. I rank them roughly in percentiles, e.g. a 9.5 is hotter than 95% of girls, a 9 is hotter than 90% of girls, etc.

(01-02-2018 05:33 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  You mentioned a shirtless pic pull so I'm guessing you're working the looks angle as that is the main advantage (for shredded guys) and disadvantage (for all other guys) of online game. You have courage for wading through the muck to find anything decent online. Nevertheless I have to say if you had done this from night or especially day game, you'd probably be getting requests on your blog for coaching and bootcamp services etc.

Correct, my body is the only thing I have to offer girls physically. 10 years of dedication to the iron, and I photograph fairly well. I'm still not where I want to be, but I do OK. If I had my pre-lifting body, I would get a match a week, if I was lucky.

As far as coaching and bootcamp, I'm sure I could do that if I really wanted to. But I never want to make "pickup" a lifestyle. I am busy with many other hobbies and diversions in my life, and I want to give this information away for free for guys that are in the same situation I was. I'd much rather wing some guys in real life and discuss theory than have someone paying me to teach them something.

P.S. You are fast becoming my favorite poster. Appreciate the attention to detail.

Post: #21

(01-01-2018 11:54 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:36 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  Maybe I missed it in the OP, but how old are ya?

30

(01-01-2018 08:24 PM)xxx Wrote:  Well if you like girls with flat cheekbones... I don't.

The chick you showed is a 7.5 at most and worth around 150$ were I'm from.

Would love to see her without makeup.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you're debating a "pictorial representation". All I did was type in dolled up blonde with a curvy figure and a nice rack into Google Images and looked around for a couple minutes until I found one that fit. The girl I went out with was a legit 9.5. Nearly everything about her was perfect — 21 years old with a youthful glow, great sense of style, makeup, DD breasts, and a thin waist. Guys in the bar were staring at us. Orbiters galore on her Instagram photos. Like I said, in the process of exploring online dating I looked at every single hot girl in that city on Instagram and she was the hottest one. The only way she loses a point is that her skin was not perfect.

But I digress. Didn't fuck her, so it doesn't matter. Onto the next one

Is it not allowed to share instagrams on here? You didn't bang her so technically you don't know her.

Is she semi famous?

Post: #22

(01-03-2018 08:48 AM)xxx Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 11:54 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:36 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  Maybe I missed it in the OP, but how old are ya?

30

(01-01-2018 08:24 PM)xxx Wrote:  Well if you like girls with flat cheekbones... I don't.

The chick you showed is a 7.5 at most and worth around 150$ were I'm from.

Would love to see her without makeup.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you're debating a "pictorial representation". All I did was type in dolled up blonde with a curvy figure and a nice rack into Google Images and looked around for a couple minutes until I found one that fit. The girl I went out with was a legit 9.5. Nearly everything about her was perfect — 21 years old with a youthful glow, great sense of style, makeup, DD breasts, and a thin waist. Guys in the bar were staring at us. Orbiters galore on her Instagram photos. Like I said, in the process of exploring online dating I looked at every single hot girl in that city on Instagram and she was the hottest one. The only way she loses a point is that her skin was not perfect.

But I digress. Didn't fuck her, so it doesn't matter. Onto the next one

Is it not allowed to share instagrams on here? You didn't bang her so technically you don't know her.

Is she semi famous?

From the forum rules: /thread-13005.html

Quote:Do not post about the following: jailbait girls, illegal crimes, p4p, gore, scat, NSFW images, or images of girls you know. Do not share images or screenshots that identify your dates or girlfriends (e.g., first names, faces, phone numbers, etc) and do not upload naked photos directly to the forum.

Post: #23

@corsega
1. It's good that you even have a wing, even better a wing who is into PU but also can be a cool friend. Day game solo is another dimension.

2. If you really have zero fear of getting rejected hard by even the hottest women in the cold light of day, on your own, have you considered moving to a country and city where the quantity and quality IS actually there in the day. That precise complete lack of fear is a gift. I wish I had it. I wonder how much of it is due to your looks e.g. you know if you are getting rejected initially IRL or online, it's most likely due to factors outside of your control, because your initial impression has to be very strong. Again not in an accusatory tone, if you have 0 emotional cost of approaching in the day, capitalize on that. I am wondering if the "ease" bit is just a tiny sliver of weaseling out of what could be a highly productive daygamer, in the right location.

3. Probably been mentioned a million times, but don't you find it depressing that you have dedicated a decade to the iron (hats off to you for that) and you are banging just about 6s? With the results in SF being even more depressing? Obviously I am referring to this NOT being your fault, rather a reflection of the current (ridiculous) market. I like some southern states for friendly, small town southern belles, even this is like a different country compared to SF.

4. I know, my rating scale was developed with my old game friends. All I can say is that it works. Sometimes decimal places used to the extent that people would think I'm autistic, but it works. The "philosophy" behind it is that no girl is perfect, every "super hot" girl uses artificial enhancements, and girls are attractive in different ways. For example, an innocent type/"good girl" organically beautiful Russian 18 year old with no makeup versus a "super hot" 24 year old Russian instagram model. They are attractive in completely different ways. Then there are different races e.g. asians are attractive to me in a different way than white girls etc. So no one single girl can have absolutely everything. In practise, the girls I would bang are 4.5-8.25 (8.25 being absolute max). Any girls lower than 4.5 I ignore for banging purposes.

Post: #24

(01-03-2018 11:52 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  2. If you really have zero fear of getting rejected hard by even the hottest women in the cold light of day, on your own, have you considered moving to a country and city where the quantity and quality IS actually there in the day. That precise complete lack of fear is a gift. I wish I had it. I wonder how much of it is due to your looks e.g. you know if you are getting rejected initially IRL or online, it's most likely due to factors outside of your control, because your initial impression has to be very strong. Again not in an accusatory tone, if you have 0 emotional cost of approaching in the day, capitalize on that. I am wondering if the "ease" bit is just a tiny sliver of weaseling out of what could be a highly productive daygamer, in the right location.

3. Probably been mentioned a million times, but don't you find it depressing that you have dedicated a decade to the iron (hats off to you for that) and you are banging just about 6s? With the results in SF being even more depressing? Obviously I am referring to this NOT being your fault, rather a reflection of the current (ridiculous) market. I like some southern states for friendly, small town southern belles, even this is like a different country compared to SF.

These are good questions.

I've only been in the game for a year and a half, so I still expect my quality to go up here as my game gets even better. There are still many things I can do to maximize my SMV as well.

Also, even with a nice body, it's often not possible to do better than a 6 much of the time (assuming the approach vectors are just daygame or online) with my below-average face and height. The latter are two major factors in attraction that are tough to get around.

I could do much better if I moved inside of SF to a district with better logistics (e.g. a block away from nightgame venues) and developed a social circle that included hot women.

But it all comes down to this:

Game and girls are just a small hobby in an otherwise varied life that I lead. I can't imagine myself moving somewhere just for women. Especially when I have access to an international airport and can travel a bunch. I can't imagine changing my social circle just for women, especially knowing that hot girls are annoying to be around and can't provide the intellectual fulfillment that I get from my current friend group.

First, I want to see how good I can get without changing my lifestyle at all.

Post: #25

(01-01-2018 01:56 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 01:13 PM)questor70 Wrote:  " I started recording dates and sending them to a chat group I was in."

This is some HARDCORE stuff here. Did you transcribe an audio recording or did you actually ask people to listen through the actual date?

People listened to the whole date and gave feedback on specific parts. I annotated the audio using SoundCloud.

It's the best way to actually get better — analyzing every conversation, segué, shit test, and how you handled it.

I hope you know that California is a two-party consent state as far as voice recordings go. Please tell me those sound cloud recordings are at least private, and you delete them after you get feedback from your buds?