Post: #76

(12-31-2017 02:12 AM)behnam Wrote:  damn it i have to say this, If you see some of these stupid whores in twitter or other places posting their pictures about before and after revolution in iran with their black chadors are liars,

When you're trying to influence hearts and minds, you use Propaganda, not Truth.

Very interesting timing, considering the recent Israel - US agreement.

Trump is destined to bring peace to the Middle East though, so, if it can be done faux-organically, it's quicker and more effective than getting mired in years of war.

Post: #77

The events unfolding before our eyes are incredibly complex and nuanced. 


No one knows what is happening in that country because no one ever bothered to study the social dynamics in second and third tier Iran.

A lamentable neglect, given the rapid population growth of the boomtowns in the provinces. Several towns have boasted a 40% growth rate over the last ten years!



Following urbanization and the spread of education, the very structures of Iranian society will have doubtlessly been shaken.



No one really knows what is coming out of it. No one knows what is happening in the ‘belly’ of Iran, but it is happening fast.
 It is fascinating.

Post: #78

Honestly first time I heard about this, this popped in my mind. Not 5 years but still...

Post: #79

I just came home from Iran yesterday after spending a few weeks there. I saw a few crowds of people shouting in the streets in Tehran while the police in riot gear watched on, but nothing too crazy. I even felt safe enough to walk around a couple of the protests, and people who came and talked to me said that they were protesting the worsening economic environment. It looks like I left when things really started kicking off.

I'm not going to pass myself off as an expert since I only experienced a short time there, but Iranian people are the most genuinely warm and friendly people I have come across in my travels. They are nothing resembling the crazy Islamist lunatics that they are sometimes portrayed as. The thing that impressed me most is that they seem to have a sense of unity and cooperation that I've never really seen before. I could list many examples, but the best example was on the metro which, during rush hour, is almost as packed as a Tokyo subway. But despite the mayhem, everyone was extremely considerate to others. If someone was stuggling to get to the door when they needed to get off, something would be shouted out and the whole carriage would work together to get him to the door. When very poor people were walking through the train selling things, rather than being seen as a nuisance, people would help them pass and even help them lift their bags when needed. When I got onto the men's carriage with a Dutch girl I was hanging out with, even though there was seemingly no space, the young men around her instinctively made space so that nobody would press against her, something which would never happen in an Arab country. And that's not counting the dozens of times people would see I was a foreigner and try to help me reach my destination even when they couldn't speak English - there were even two occasions where a local insisted on getting of the train and walking with me a couple of blocks to make sure I found my destination. It was truly a wonderful experience and like nothing I've even encountered in any other country. You really need to witness it to understand it.

And the women in Iran are truly wonderful. Even though they are covered up and have to wear a head scarf, (which they usually pull back to only cover the back of their head), the ones I met were so sweet, elegant, modest, polite and smart. I spent two days hanging out with a local girl in Esfahan, and although our interaction was only limited to her showing me around and eating together, her presence made my cold dead heart melt - she was the type of girl that you'd be excited and proud to introduce to your family.

It was also very interesting walking through a large park which seemed to be the place guys would bring their girlfriends for privacy. There were couples sitting opposite each other, deep in conversation while looking lovingly in each others eyes, sometimes even briefly holding hands. It all seemed very sweet, and what I imagine dating may have been like in my grandparents' generation.

I know that most of this is not related to the present events, but I think that Iran, its people and its culture are quite remarkable. From what I observed, I would be surprised if the removal of government caused the country to slide towards the hellhole that Iraq and Libya have become. I think they have all the ingredients to become a truly great and prosperous country if only a few changes are made at the top.

Post: #80

(12-31-2017 09:16 AM)Horus Wrote:  It was also very interesting walking through a large park which seemed to be the place guys would bring their girlfriends for privacy. There were couples sitting opposite each other, deep in conversation while looking lovingly in each others eyes, sometimes even briefly holding hands. It all seemed very sweet, and what I imagine dating may have been like in my grandparents' generation.

Hard to imagine this still exists in today's world, but I believe you.

Post: #81

(12-31-2017 09:16 AM)Horus Wrote:  I just came home from Iran yesterday after spending a few weeks there. I saw a few crowds of people shouting in the streets in Tehran while the police in riot gear watched on, but nothing too crazy. I even felt safe enough to walk around a couple of the protests, and people who came and talked to me said that they were protesting the worsening economic environment. It looks like I left when things really started kicking off.

I'm not going to pass myself off as an expert since I only experienced a short time there, but Iranian people are the most genuinely warm and friendly people I have come across in my travels. They are nothing resembling the crazy Islamist lunatics that they are sometimes portrayed as. The thing that impressed me most is that they seem to have a sense of unity and cooperation that I've never really seen before. I could list many examples, but the best example was on the metro which, during rush hour, is almost as packed as a Tokyo subway. But despite the mayhem, everyone was extremely considerate to others. If someone was stuggling to get to the door when they needed to get off, something would be shouted out and the whole carriage would work together to get him to the door. When very poor people were walking through the train selling things, rather than being seen as a nuisance, people would help them pass and even help them lift their bags when needed. When I got onto the men's carriage with a Dutch girl I was hanging out with, even though there was seemingly no space, the young men around her instinctively made space so that nobody would press against her, something which would never happen in an Arab country. And that's not counting the dozens of times people would see I was a foreigner and try to help me reach my destination even when they couldn't speak English - there were even two occasions where a local insisted on getting of the train and walking with me a couple of blocks to make sure I found my destination. It was truly a wonderful experience and like nothing I've even encountered in any other country. You really need to witness it to understand it.

And the women in Iran are truly wonderful. Even though they are covered up and have to wear a head scarf, (which they usually pull back to only cover the back of their head), the ones I met were so sweet, elegant, modest, polite and smart. I spent two days hanging out with a local girl in Esfahan, and although our interaction was only limited to her showing me around and eating together, her presence made my cold dead heart melt - she was the type of girl that you'd be excited and proud to introduce to your family.

It was also very interesting walking through a large park which seemed to be the place guys would bring their girlfriends for privacy. There were couples sitting opposite each other, deep in conversation while looking lovingly in each others eyes, sometimes even briefly holding hands. It all seemed very sweet, and what I imagine dating may have been like in my grandparents' generation.

I know that most of this is not related to the present events, but I think that Iran, its people and its culture are quite remarkable. From what I observed, I would be surprised if the removal of government caused the country to slide towards the hellhole that Iraq and Libya have become. I think they have all the ingredients to become a truly great and prosperous country if only a few changes are made at the top.

I completely agree with everything you say. I travelled through Iran for a few weeks in 2015 and the people are truly the most friendly and hospitable people around. They were also continuously stressing they were Persians and not Arabs and fiercely proud of it. They really deserve a better government and I hope things will change.

Post: #82

/\ Interestingly I observed the same thing in Morocco, the family I stayed with made sure we knew they were Berbers not Arabs. Also some of the most decent most pleasant people I have come across in my travels.

Post: #83

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking_an...ce_in_Iran

Quote:Following the Islamic Revolution, Iran's banking system was transformed to be run on an Islamic interest-free basis.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/27/busine...-iran.html

Quote:London, Feb. 26, 1984 - Iran will introduce interest-free banking in accordance with Islamic law in four months, its central bank governor was quoted today as saying.

Jus sayin' guys.....

Post: #84

There is going to be a region wide war with Sunni verses Shia, this war is inevitible and has been a long time coming. Our wonderful government backs the Sunnis, so does Israel.

Post: #85

(12-30-2017 10:25 PM)IronShark Wrote:  Some people who know me personally, know that I am Iranian and have been in Iranian politics at my younger age.
ranian future will be the struggle between poor and rich. Any right-wing populist (someone like Farage) could win hearts and minds of millions of Iranians.

Finally, this video is also good. Only 20 minutes:

Just beyond pathetic. Stephan Molyneaux is a Zionist shill. In this video he plays the very cheap trick of crying in front of the cameras to trying to convince us about his arguments.

Post: #86

(12-30-2017 05:33 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Internet in Iran is supposedly cut-off. Where are you posting from?

I've been messaging a few people in Iran today and they've all been able to reply over internet.

Post: #87

(12-31-2017 02:05 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  In this video he plays the very cheap trick of crying

I don't think that's a trick.

Stephan gets a lot of respect from red-pillers but I get the sense that the guy is genuinely emotionally disturbed.

Post: #88

Had no idea Durov was only 33. Means he created VKontake when he was 22.

Anyways, State TV has said it has "temporarily" blocked access to Telegram and Instagram to maintain "peace". while Rouhani gave a pre-recorded message that while people have the right to protest, they should be within certain guidelines and somehow help the situation.

Well, I don't think people are stupid enough to buy his gibberish again. I get the feeling that when people voted for Rouhani, and with the nuclear deal, promise of sanctions being lifted and frozen money available to be pumped into the economy...many genuinely thought they could see the impact of economic betterment in their day-to-day lives, but it simply hasn't happened and has made a lot of ordinary citizens angry. Will be interesting to see if protests go higher in numbers after Rouhani's message, or it will be calmer tomorrow.

Also, very interesting is the # of protests in poorer states and provinces, among ethnic minorities such as Kurds, Azeris, and Balochs. I haven't seen any separatists chants so far....here is video of protests in city of Chabahar (in the poorest state in S.E of Iran, consisting of mostly Baloch people)

For a comparison, during the 1979 pre-revolution protests, people were chanting: "Independence, Freedom, Islamic Republic"...now the word "Iranian" has replaced "Islamic". Also during 2009 protests, many the chants still included islamic phrases and sayings such as "Allah Akbar" "Ya Hussain" etc...but so far I haven't seen any Islamic-related chants in the current set of events....This is how Iran is fundamentally different than a lot of her neighbors....Nationalism and patriotism regardless of ethnicity comes first ahead of religion and tribal concerns in most cases.

Post: #89

I'm all for calling out jews when it's warranted but some of the comments on this thread are tiring and pathetic, apparently nothing happens on this planet that isn't caused by some jewish/israeli conspiracy. Maybe, just maybe, this is happening because iranians are tired of living under a garbage islamic theocratic dictatorship that only makes their lives backwords and miserable and not because some globalist jewish boogeyman so decided. So are we now supposed to side with the islamic mullahs because they are not "globalist puppets"? What's next, support north korea's regime too?

Even if nothing much comes from this, which probably won't, it shows there is great discontentment from iranians with their current status quo and leadership, which has been festering for decades. I don't know if it's even possible but if anyone can reform islam it's iranians and we should be supporting them.

It gives me hope for the future generations to hear iranians say we're aryans, not arabs.

Post: #90

Who knows what is really going on, but the slogans and shouts of the cannon fodder on the streets mean nothing. In the Ukraine, the "revolution" was supposedly driven by far right pseudo-Nazis and certainly that is who did most of the fighting and most of the dying, but the end result? The first Prime Minister was a jew and so is his replacement, the government is stuffed chock-full with an internationalist cabal pulled from the four corners of the world, and its long term plan is to transform Ukraine into a vast resettlement area for invaders from Africa and the middle east.

Are the same forces at play in Iran? No idea, but taking slogans at face value is pretty stupid. If I'm Higgs Bosun Nuland working diligently on behalf of the (((State Department))) to stir shit up on the streets of Tehran, I know I'm not going to motivate people to come out and protest by kvetching about Judeo-Persian values. I'm gonna give the people what they want, baby! Let them yell about being Aryans till they're blue in the face, because once the blood has been spilled and the leg work been done and I've installed a new puppet regime, they'll just be property.

Post: #91

Post: #92

(12-31-2017 06:43 PM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  

Could mean something....could mean nothing.
How do we know this flight info is legit ?

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Post: #94

If this does turn out to be a Soros job, then it seems that the man actually does have a bit of good in him, even if minuscule.

That, or he realises his time is coming and is scared of his punishment in the afterlife, so he decides to do this service to the people of Persia.

Post: #95

(12-31-2017 03:34 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  I'm all for calling out jews when it's warranted but some of the comments on this thread are tiring and pathetic, apparently nothing happens on this planet that isn't caused by some jewish/israeli conspiracy. Maybe, just maybe, this is happening because iranians are tired of living under a garbage islamic theocratic dictatorship that only makes their lives backwords and miserable and not because some globalist jewish boogeyman so decided. So are we now supposed to side with the islamic mullahs because they are not "globalist puppets"? What's next, support north korea's regime too?

Even if nothing much comes from this, which probably won't, it shows there is great discontentment from iranians with their current status quo and leadership, which has been festering for decades. I don't know if it's even possible but if anyone can reform islam it's iranians and we should be supporting them.

It gives me hope for the future generations to hear iranians say we're aryans, not arabs.

Islamic theocracy is definitely the problem. But certain purported solutions are bad, just as bad or even worse.

If an alternative is to be had. It should not be like having to choose between Nazism and Communism.

Like trading one form of evil for another. We have many toxic ideologies in the west that wouldn't do Iranians any good.

We certainly don't want to import one of those ideologies for Iran:

Post: #96

(01-01-2018 07:49 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  If an alternative is to be had. It should not be like having to choose between Nazism and Communism.

Otherwise known as false dialectic.

It's the basic control mechanism of our time.

Post: #97

(12-31-2017 10:50 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

What?

The Ben guy is correct and James Woods is neocon as usual.

Post: #98

(01-01-2018 09:44 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 10:50 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

What?

The Ben guy is correct and James Woods is neocon as usual.

Ben Rhodes does not give a shit about the Iranian people who are protesting against the regime.

I can't tell whether if you are serious or not in believing Ben Rhodes to be correct and thinking a Hollywood actor is a neocon.

Why would you believe a guy who absolutely knew nothing about foreign policy and helped the Obama Administration deliberately lied to and misled the American people about the Iran Deal? A deal that we all found out later happened to be a fictional narrative that Ben Rhodes proudly and smugly made up. That is one hell of a mess they created.

Liberals and soy boys made a mess of everything.

Edit.
Let's not forget that the billions of dollars went to the regime, not the Iranian people.

Post: #99

(01-01-2018 11:32 AM)budoslavic Wrote:  A deal that we all found out later happened to be a fictional narrative that Ben Rhodes proudly and smugly made up.

What do you have against the Iran deal? As far as I can tell, it was a very reasonable agreement, praised by world leaders except for Bibi.

Post: #100

(01-01-2018 11:52 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 11:32 AM)budoslavic Wrote:  A deal that we all found out later happened to be a fictional narrative that Ben Rhodes proudly and smugly made up.

What do you have against the Iran deal? As far as I can tell, it was a very reasonable agreement, praised by world leaders except for Bibi.

The Iran Deal was billed as something that would lift the Iranians out if poverty, but the Iranian leaders used it to fund terrorism and drug running.