Post: #76

(12-27-2017 10:01 AM)teflon Wrote:  I’m not sure about other claims OP has made in other posts, but he seems completely legitimate to me. I’ve been in this exact industry for over 5 years. His numbers are not outrageous at all, in fact they are on the small side for a FB pub. 50-100k a day profit is not uncommon at all. I think banning him would be a massive disservice to forum members.

OP, what’s your typical CPA on FB for each vertical (particularly the nutra ones)

What’s your typical EPC for each (including upsells)

How do you find presells to rip before making your own touches/split testing?

Are you considering Act 20/22 with your location independent income to save on taxes?

Which parties are you attending at ASW? (PM me)

I’ve been considering running internal traffic as my margins slowly shrink every day from using affiliates. Do you use only FB or also GDN, native, PPV etc?

-As mentioned, have been getting back more into the aff stuff and working through account wrinkles, etc. - for now just on casino, though '18 will bring tests of diet/skin again. With CA casino cpl fb cpas I was ~$8-12.. and a $22 payout. Will be nice to run this angle again when CPMs halve.

-I'm a big fan of the WAW relaunch. Shh, don't tell Zuck.

-Naw, brown girls ain't my thing.

-It'll actually be my first year at ASW so no clue, really. Def going to Chase's cryptowatch meetup, otherwise going to count on friends/ clients to show me around. Which do you recommend?

-I take it you're an offer owner.. what vert/(s)? Could potentially be up for testing your offer. Or if you need help balancing CBs perhaps we could work something out. Or maybe JV.. lots of stuff. PMing you. I'm only a fb guy. Eventually GDN. Eventually would like to build a BH operation with enterprise value that's operationally sophisticated and has divisions for all aspects.

Post: #77

(12-27-2017 12:03 PM)Neo Wrote:  Not sure on your claims yet, but other members seem to be in the process of verifying.

I believe a data sheet would be helpful. For now let's say someone is pretty much an Affiliate marketing noob.

Willing to start with 1-5k of working capital to learn the ropes. Would rather start small to learn from mistakes and work up.

Has knowledge of certain markets such as fitness and supplements.

Can write decent copy.

Wants to remain ethical with products and methods.

Doesn't really have a network in the aff world.

What would be the actions steps to take in the next 30 days to get up and running?

1-5k won't cut it if you want to learn media buying on your own dime. Figure 2k/month MINIMUM to learn this, and many spend some months before seeing consistent wins. Not to say that you'll be losing 2k/month, but you certainly won't be seeing 100% ROI in your initial campaigns. With only 2k/month budget, it's hard.. I guess I'd say go with mobile popups and antivirus installs? Maybe sweeps? Not really sure what's hot for low payout offers these days, or which geos. If you're serious or even moderately curious then buy a membership to STM and read the entire forum cover to cover.

^ But like someone else said, AM is the wrong industry for your if your ethics come first.

To tell you what steps to take would take many pages.. if you have a more specific question I can answer for you, but the best thing I can tell you is to take my advice and read STM. If I do write a data sheet it'll be geared towards BH FB and starting with an initial budget of 15k.

Another idea, if you really only have 5k MAX to spend.. head over to blackhatworld forum and learn how to make SEO amazon sites. SEO is boring as shit imo but it does work and you will make money. And I guess it's ethical... but ethical is a slippery slope.

Post: #78

(12-27-2017 12:43 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  It's normal in the IM world to have $100K months. These guys are called "super affiliates". Just run a basic Google Search before calling bullshit on something that's easily Google-able.

OP, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Some of us really appreciate it.

I think black hat is fascinating as fuck. It sounds like a fun grind.

The one thing that I don't like about IM is that you're rarely building equity in a real business, unless you have ownership in the product that you're promoting.

What you're doing is essentially building and then re-building landing pages over and over again for different products.

Do you feel that the ROI of doing this is worth it, as opposed to building an equity-based business where you don't have to "rebuild" as much?

Again, I think that blackhat stuff sounds super fun because of the potential for fast cash, weekly payouts, and true location independence. But what are your thoughts on the long-term viability of this business model?

I wouldn't say it's 'normal', or even common. These days making 100k+/month is a lot rarer for pubs than it was a few years ago. Farming for one is near impossible to consistently pull of at scale. Cards are harder. CPMs are way way up. People are a lot more hip to fake news and scammy rebills. Spy tools mean that your original angles get taken before you can scale them to burnout. But ya guys are still doing it, and I wanna be one of them.

And you're very welcome. Has obviously been a less than awesome reception, but have met some cool people through this thread so it's all good.

Ya, enterprise value of the churn and burn stuff does bother me. The minute you stop working, the money stops flowing. It's not a fast lane business. Nothing passive about it. Future plans do involve leveraging this skillset towards something with longevity.. either a political ad agency or a bh media buying agency.

Post: #79

(12-27-2017 01:04 PM)Running Turtles Wrote:  First off, thanks for starting out with a Q&A. I'm finding your answers very helpful because most websites that try to teach you about affiliates, cloaking, marketing, etc. are selling a product.

My understanding is that Facebook doesn't allow links to prohibited content (like casinos for example) and they don't allow links to affiliate offers. To circumvent this, you have to cloak the link so that when Facebook employees check it, it appears to be a blog post (for example). Meanwhile, when a potential customer clicks it, he should be taken to the offer page. The only way I can imagine doing that is to discriminate based on location. For example, if I want to advertise a gambling site in Romanian, I would allow Romanian IPs (likely not FB employees) to see the offer page and all others would go to a blog post about gambling.

I say that with absolutely no experience beyond basic web dev, so what would you do to cloak a casino offer? Would the FB accounts also have to be created using residential IPs and a fresh credit card used to buy the ads?

You're welcome man! Definitly don't try to learn about AM from solo sites/ blogs, forums are your friend. STM, BHW, tim burd's fb group, skype mastermind groups (found on forums)..

Cloaking is a lot more complicated than that, but you're sort of poking at the truth, just with a very fucked up looking stick from far away and in the dark . Good news is that we as affs don't need to know all that, just use a recommended cloaker. I like noIP and TA. Great people at both and great products, but I use TA these days.

As for farming accounts.. ya IP is huge. 5 years ago you could use data center IPs, these days only Res. And the quality of the IP is a big factor in your farm's success. Same with having a fresh credit card, hence one of my streams of rev.

Post: #80

(12-27-2017 04:38 PM)Running Turtles Wrote:  I think I get the picture. Also explains why a lot of the fake news stuff came from EE during the 2016 US election.

I guess if you hide your ass well enough, you can get away with it from anywhere. I would imagine you need a way to get clean IPs for this stuff in any case since FB can ban your IP if they catch you cloaking.

The fake news coming from EE during the election was of a different breed from the kind I and my ilk disseminate. We make fake news stories like "Neighbors respond to screams.. did winning all this money get her killed?" Then the website it goes to is a ripoff of a popular news site and looks like CNN, also the URL may be something like "www.cnn.com-42time.biz/breakingnews" and is about how police responded to a possible domestic assault situation after neighbors reported hearing horrific screams. But when they arrived they found out that actually the screams were screams of excitement and joy because the two newlyweds, John and Samantha, had just won the mega moolah jackpot at the zodiac online casino and were instantly $950,000 richer. And the zodiac online casino is currently running a promo where you get 10 free spins just for signing up, you can claim yours [link here].

The stuff coming from EE was political in nature and designed to stir up controversy and spread misinformation in order to destabilize american democracy. longer term roi goal

Yup, IPs are only the start of what you need to disseminate fake news en masse. Much less to do so in a way as to preclude a backtrace by fb, the ftc, the fbi, or any sophisticated advesary. luckily as a pub the ftc isn't going after us so hard these days.. more after the offer owners for engaging in what's become an industry standard practice, but essentially adds up to bank fraud. only case in which a pub was directly targeted just for being a pub in the last few years that Im aware of.. guy was actually using rebill offers as a front for cc fraud.

Post: #81

If someone is completely newb at everything online, where would you start learning this?
Its mostly a skill id like to have as i feel completely illiterate about all the new things people are doing these days. Never made money from anything online.

You mentioned forums but those can be messy and too structure-less for a noob. Should i just download some AM books?

Post: #82

It'd be great to see an Affiliate Marketing 101 datasheet from you. There's clearly a number of people who are interested in what it would take to get started as a beginner.

Post: #83

Which paid forum do you recommend?

Post: #84

(12-28-2017 04:52 AM)Beirut Wrote:  If someone is completely newb at everything online, where would you start learning this?
Its mostly a skill id like to have as i feel completely illiterate about all the new things people are doing these days. Never made money from anything online.

You mentioned forums but those can be messy and too structure-less for a noob. Should i just download some AM books?

No books. For so many fucking reasons but just no. No books when you're starting.

I really don't mean this with any ounce of venom, especially because I know what's it's like to have FOMO/ think something is cool and be too afraid to take initiative.. but bro - you're only going to get somewhere if you take initiative. Massive fucking initiative. At all levels of anything extraordinary - neigh, anything surpassing mediocrity - there will be times when you don't have the knowledge/ skillset you need to accomplish something, I think the most important skill any man can have is to, at this point: be courageous enough to endeavor, smart enough for it to not take an eternity, humble enough to accept that failure is part of the journey to success, and persistent/patient enough that if you're not as smart as the next guy (many very successful guys are not really that genetically smart) you'll keep going anyways.

How do you think I learned? I didn't go to college. I didn't have an experienced friend spoon feed me and carry me like a cripple. I spent hours and hours reading forums, trying 'methods' and mini businesses over and over, always giving up, then finally through all these frustrations, learning a little bit about persistence and seeing things through. With many many other "fuck I don't know, where do I even start?" type problems along the way. And this time next year if I hit my goals it'll be because I solved a shit load of other problems of this nature. Good news is that it's like a muscle and will get easier. Try and see for yourself

So, forums are too scattered for you? What I hear you say is that you don't have the skillset to sort through them, or don't have the patience to learn the skillset, or don't have the courage to learn the patience. The things that hold us back are all psychological and mindset stuff. Get rid of your personal shit and you'll change your life. some say that's where the real "work" is, for me it definitely is.

The most important quote of my entire life so far is: "It's impossible to navigate a stationary vessel." Start MOVING and you'll get somewhere!

Post: #85

(12-28-2017 06:02 AM)Valentine Wrote:  It'd be great to see an Affiliate Marketing 101 datasheet from you. There's clearly a number of people who are interested in what it would take to get started as a beginner.

Ya this has been on my mind.. how to structure it in such a way that it'd be accessible but also specific enough to be actionable. Thing is, a data sheet on the 101 of this stuff would essentially give some info and resources, outline what sort of stuff is possible AFAIK, rough timelines etc, and then point to a bunch of resources.

A more specific data sheet that's been on my mind would cover getting going with BH stuff. But BH fb stuff is pretty intermediate, and someone with zero AM skillset would find it downright demoralizing to attempt.

Any suggestions on what you think might be most helpful?

Post: #86

(12-28-2017 08:42 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 04:52 AM)Beirut Wrote:  If someone is completely newb at everything online, where would you start learning this?
Its mostly a skill id like to have as i feel completely illiterate about all the new things people are doing these days. Never made money from anything online.

You mentioned forums but those can be messy and too structure-less for a noob. Should i just download some AM books?

No books. For so many fucking reasons but just no. No books when you're starting.

I really don't mean this with any ounce of venom, especially because I know what's it's like to have FOMO/ think something is cool and be too afraid to take initiative.. but bro - you're only going to get somewhere if you take initiative. Massive fucking initiative. At all levels of anything extraordinary - neigh, anything surpassing mediocrity - there will be times when you don't have the knowledge/ skillset you need to accomplish something, I think the most important skill any man can have is to, at this point: be courageous enough to endeavor, smart enough for it to not take an eternity, humble enough to accept that failure is part of the journey to success, and persistent/patient enough that if you're not as smart as the next guy (many very successful guys are not really that genetically smart) you'll keep going anyways.

How do you think I learned? I didn't go to college. I didn't have an experienced friend spoon feed me and carry me like a cripple. I spent hours and hours reading forums, trying 'methods' and mini businesses over and over, always giving up, then finally through all these frustrations, learning a little bit about persistence and seeing things through. With many many other "fuck I don't know, where do I even start?" type problems along the way. And this time next year if I hit my goals it'll be because I solved a shit load of other problems of this nature. Good news is that it's like a muscle and will get easier. Try and see for yourself

So, forums are too scattered for you? What I hear you say is that you don't have the skillset to sort through them, or don't have the patience to learn the skillset, or don't have the courage to learn the patience. The things that hold us back are all psychological and mindset stuff. Get rid of your personal shit and you'll change your life. some say that's where the real "work" is, for me it definitely is.

The most important quote of my entire life so far is: "It's impossible to navigate a stationary vessel." Start MOVING and you'll get somewhere!

I appreciate the sentiment and understand why you thought so. But its not initiative im lacking since i have built a business and worked hard for it, its just not online.

Im interested in what kids these days are doing.

And anyway, forums and whatnot are, in the end, words and relayed info. Just like books.

If you work extremely hard at something you will learn it eventually, yes. But there is a faster and more effective way and there is a slower way. And when this is a side thing, time becomes even more crucial.
If a good resource doesnt exist, its because noone has written it yet. Not because it cant.

Although i appreciate that online changes so much that you have to join forums/groups to stay updated. For example, you offered help here. Peope will have questions and you will answer them.
Thats what a good learning book can do. Anticipates what those will be and answers them. Anyway doesnt even have to be a book. Just the best resources.

Sure trial and error works but picking the brain of someone more experienced to jump to what works isnt so bad either, which is what those forums will give anyway.

Post: #87

(12-28-2017 09:08 AM)Beirut Wrote:  I appreciate the sentiment and understand why you thought so. But its not initiative im lacking since i have built a business and worked hard for it, its just not online.

Im interested in what kids these days are doing.

And anyway, forums and whatnot are, in the end, words and relayed info. Just like books.

If you work extremely hard at something you will learn it eventually, yes. But there is a faster and more effective way and there is a slower way. And when this is a side thing, time becomes even more crucial.
If a good resource doesnt exist, its because noone has written it yet. Not because it cant.

Although i appreciate that online changes so much that you have to join forums/groups to stay updated. For example, you offered help here. Peope will have questions and you will answer them.
Thats what a good learning book can do. Anticipates what those will be and answers them. Anyway doesnt even have to be a book. Just the best resources.

Sure trial and error works but picking the brain of someone more experienced to jump to what works isnt so bad either, which is what those forums will give anyway.

I want to do a little rant on books, being that you and I presume many other people reading this, come from an offline business background, where books make a lot more sense than they do here.

Why do people write books? Legacy, art, money, or to help people.

What drives people to become crazy good at AM? Money. That's usually it. Or legacy, but they know they need money to make that legacy, they're not looking to build a legacy as "the best AM author ever".

As we've established in this thread, truly next level guys are doing 5 figures/day. So why would they ever ever want to take the time to write and market a how-to book that will teach their future competition how to do what they do, and in the end most likely make them far less money than they were already making?

So let's just do away with the notion that anybody is going to give you their secret sauce.

Now who does push info products and 'how to make money online books'? GURUS! Yayy, gurus. Fucking scumbags. When the ROI goes down, the guru course goes up. Just ask Jason A. He's a legit super affiliate and made a site mocking gurus because he hates them so much:
https://thosethatcantdoteach.com/gurukilla

But gurus, if they're successful, are really only making money selling things to people that want to make money. Their niche is "sell shit to complete noobs that will be easily romanced". And since there's a constant supply of noobs that don't know better than to blow $599 on some useless info-course, some of em do alright.

Plus, most of the ebooks you'll see floating around are afterthoughts and trash, basically fancied up forum posts from 2-5 years ago.


Now if we're talking about REAL business books, then sure I think there are a ton of amazing ones out there for the budding businessman. But general stuff. The classics. Tony Robbins, Cialdini, Cashvertising (this should be your bible if you want to write copy that converts), mindset books, managerial structure books if you're at that stage, startup books like From Zero To One, etc etc. IMO these are things to supplement along the way, not start with.

/rant


I'm all for learning shortcuts too. If you want to pay someone really good at this to actually train you, if you can find someone willing, it'll cost a fuckload of money because they'd rather be doing other things. Otherwise, the best teacher is experience. But you say you want to do this part time.. this is not a part time gig, especially when you're starting out.

Re your points about books anticipating.. you sort of answered your own question there. This stuff changes constantly, a book would be irrelevant inside of a year. Plus all the above logic re: why you won't find a good AM how-to book. I haven't looked but I'd be pretty shocked if such a thing exists.

Post: #88

(12-28-2017 03:59 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:03 PM)Neo Wrote:  Not sure on your claims yet, but other members seem to be in the process of verifying.

I believe a data sheet would be helpful. For now let's say someone is pretty much an Affiliate marketing noob.

Willing to start with 1-5k of working capital to learn the ropes. Would rather start small to learn from mistakes and work up.

Has knowledge of certain markets such as fitness and supplements.

Can write decent copy.

Wants to remain ethical with products and methods.

Doesn't really have a network in the aff world.

What would be the actions steps to take in the next 30 days to get up and running?

1-5k won't cut it if you want to learn media buying on your own dime. Figure 2k/month MINIMUM to learn this, and many spend some months before seeing consistent wins. Not to say that you'll be losing 2k/month, but you certainly won't be seeing 100% ROI in your initial campaigns. With only 2k/month budget, it's hard.. I guess I'd say go with mobile popups and antivirus installs? Maybe sweeps? Not really sure what's hot for low payout offers these days, or which geos. If you're serious or even moderately curious then buy a membership to STM and read the entire forum cover to cover.

^ But like someone else said, AM is the wrong industry for your if your ethics come first.

To tell you what steps to take would take many pages.. if you have a more specific question I can answer for you, but the best thing I can tell you is to take my advice and read STM. If I do write a data sheet it'll be geared towards BH FB and starting with an initial budget of 15k.

Another idea, if you really only have 5k MAX to spend.. head over to blackhatworld forum and learn how to make SEO amazon sites. SEO is boring as shit imo but it does work and you will make money. And I guess it's ethical... but ethical is a slippery slope.

Well a dozen posts back you said that 18 months ago you were a broke actor/waiter. So what capital did you start with?

Post: #89

(12-28-2017 08:16 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Which paid forum do you recommend?

OP mentioned STM (https://stmforum.com/) in another reply. I heard good things about it before, but didn't join because the marketing made it look like another guru site. If OP says it isn't, I'd like to give it a shot.

I read some threads on BlackHatWorld, but I'm not sure if it's all bullshit or not. BHW is free and seems to be 90% Indian guys asking for methods to make millions and 10% people trying to sell them methods. That made me a bit skeptical, but there are probably some hidden gems around.

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@AffNomad:

If you're looking for a structure on a guide, you might look at this one: https://www.buildersociety.com/forums/di...course.25/

I just started reading the threads there and it seems like a very thought-out way to do it.

Post: #90

(12-28-2017 10:40 AM)roberto Wrote:  Well a dozen posts back you said that 18 months ago you were a broke actor/waiter. So what capital did you start with?

~10k I saved up, and it wasn't enough. Did well in a couple spurts, then Q4 hit, in over my head, depleted risk capital, and was cold and broke in Jan '17 in Brooklyn. Decided to parlay my fb experience into a job as a media buyer where I could learn from more experienced people, and on their dime.

Post: #91

OP, I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on. I smell a lot of snake oil and several of your answers are extremely vague with no meat to them. Many seem to be things like 'you have to be more specific'

You seem to be throwing around terms that 'people in the industry' know, but to me that doesn't prove anything.

I could invest more than the initial amount mentioned in my post, but why would I 'invest' 15k to learn something that may never pan out. Might as well make the learning lessons less expensive.

You mentioned that you didn't go to college and you were broke, yet you need a minimum of 15k to begin to learn this. So let me ask where did you get your initial capital? What was the timeline from broke to massive success?

Post: #92

I’m calling bull. You have a lot of time to post on here and are quick to blow smoke until you have your story ready.

I know fuck all about the internet except how to log on to here and tinder, so apologies in advance if I’m proved wrong. I’m bowing out.

Post: #93

(12-28-2017 10:43 AM)Running Turtles Wrote:  I read some threads on BlackHatWorld, but I'm not sure if it's all bullshit or not. BHW is free and seems to be 90% Indian guys asking for methods to make millions and 10% people trying to sell them methods. That made me a bit skeptical, but there are probably some hidden gems around.

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@AffNomad:

If you're looking for a structure on a guide, you might look at this one: https://www.buildersociety.com/forums/di...course.25/

I just started reading the threads there and it seems like a very thought-out way to do it.

BHW is like the Mos Eisley of IM forums.. decent place to learn, and there are a few smart guys that can be assets if you get them invested in your follow alongs, but ya. Mostly it's crap. Plus the people making real money in this space are on the paid traffic side, not SEO.

Thanks for the link. Nice structure, but way more comprehensive than what I'd put together. I'd like to make something that outlines and gives enough info to launch from, but doesn't spoon feed. If you want the cheapest spoon feeding around go pay $99 for a month's membership to STM and read all the guides their mods put together. Some are still relevant. The real value to STM is in posting a follow along. Smart people making thousands of dollars a day will respond if you show you're making an effort.

Post: #94

(12-28-2017 10:46 AM)Neo Wrote:  OP, I'm going to stay out of this thread from now on. I smell a lot of snake oil and several of your answers are extremely vague with no meat to them. Many seem to be things like 'you have to be more specific'

You seem to be throwing around terms that 'people in the industry' know, but to me that doesn't prove anything.

I could invest more than the initial amount mentioned in my post, but why would I 'invest' 15k to learn something that may never pan out. Might as well make the learning lessons less expensive.

You mentioned that you didn't go to college and you were broke, yet you need a minimum of 15k to begin to learn this. So let me ask where did you get your initial capital? What was the timeline from broke to massive success?

Ehh, I get your doubt, but I have zero incentive to answer your personal leaning questions right after you act like a douche. Dude. I do not care what you do with your life or if you invest 15k or not.

(12-28-2017 10:51 AM)roberto Wrote:  I’m calling bull. You have a lot of time to post on here and are quick to blow smoke until you have your story ready.

I know fuck all about the internet except how to log on to here and tinder, so apologies in advance if I’m proved wrong. I’m bowing out.

You've already been proved wrong? Yes, please do bow out and don't come back until you eat some humble pie.

Post: #95

Actually you never answered them to begin with. You answered that I need to be 'more specific.'

And when people are being skeptical and asking for proof you resort to name calling.

If I'm wrong and what you sent to Suits and hopefully others checks out I'll be the first to change my stance.

Now, carry on.

Post: #96

(12-28-2017 11:03 AM)Neo Wrote:  Actually you never answered them to begin with. You answered that I need to be 'more specific.'

And when people are being skeptical and asking for proof you resort to name calling.

In my mind it's not a stretch to think that someone who makes a living running apparently scammy offers would try to scam this forum. No of course that would never happen.

If I'm wrong and what you sent to Suits and hopefully others checks out I'll be the first to change my stance.

Now, carry on.

The aspergers is strong with this one.

Post: #97

(12-26-2017 05:00 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  ...a member with literally more than 10x your rep just vouched for me...

Vouch might be too strong of a word. The documents you sent me indicate that you're in some type of business that is or resembles what you claim to be involved in here in this thread.

However, this doesn't mean that you should be absolved of scrutiny. Extreme claims (such as earning 20K+ a month) are going to invite suspicion.

I'm not knowledgeable about this subject, so I'll have to leave it to others to look closer at the information you've present in this thread and elsewhere on the forum, in addition to anything you are willing to share privately.

All I've done is recommend that others give you a fair chance to prove yourself. You still have to prove yourself. I've some of the questions posed in this thread about some really legitimate concerns about some of your claims. A good start would be responding in good faith to those questions.

Post: #98

Quote: I could invest more than the initial amount mentioned in my post, but why would I 'invest' 15k to learn something that may never pan out. Might as well make the learning lessons less expensive.

This is describing risk, plain and simple. When you put money into a business you’re never guaranteed to generate a profit from it. You may very well lose it all. In extreme cases you may even lose more than the at-risk capital (say you don’t bother to form an LLC/Corp, get sued personally for a freak incident and lose your ass).

If you can’t afford to lose the money, then don’t risk it. But don’t say a multibillion dollar industry is BS just because it’s beyond your risk appetite.

There is no way to put up 15k and guarantee you’ll be profiting 5 figures a day in perpetuity from then on...if there was, everyone would be doing it.

Post: #99

(12-28-2017 12:55 PM)teflon Wrote:  

Quote: I could invest more than the initial amount mentioned in my post, but why would I 'invest' 15k to learn something that may never pan out. Might as well make the learning lessons less expensive.

This is describing risk, plain and simple. When you put money into a business you’re never guaranteed to generate a profit from it. You may very well lose it all. In extreme cases you may even lose more than the at-risk capital (say you don’t bother to form an LLC/Corp, get sued personally for a freak incident and lose your ass).

If you can’t afford to lose the money, then don’t risk it. But don’t say a multibillion dollar industry is BS just because it’s beyond your risk appetite.

There is no way to put up 15k and guarantee you’ll be profiting 5 figures a day in perpetuity from then on...if there was, everyone would be doing it.

I'm saying the OP has provided scant evidence of his claim. My guess is he's mixing lies with some truth. Now where did I say the entire industry is BS?

I asked the OP for some information on action steps with smaller capital and he gave me mostly unusable information besides I 'have to be more specific' and that I have to invest more.

Since you and the OP share similar stories (rags to riches through affiliate marketing) please enlighten us more.

I'm asking him for a timeline. He says you need 15k minimum, fine. But he was a 'broke waiter.' Where did he get his original capital? What was the timeline? What were the action steps? What were his most important lessons?

All he has to do is PM an income statement/proof with personal information removed. Yet he's given scant answers to many of the questions, and after taking some time I could have found the answers myself in an hour. He recommends reading forums, advises against books, and throws around some terms that most people know already.

Further, look at his other posts. He claims to be a male model in looks and that he has a ~300 notch count at 27.

Then when he gets called out, he calls me a douche and says I have aspergers.

Does that sound like a confident man to you?

Post: #100

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