Post: #1

Hey RV guys - have been a long time lurker here and reader of ROK. Would like to start contributing and engaging with the community.

See a lot of guys here keen on travel and a location independent lifestyle. Obviously a big part of propelling that is making money online.

I'm 27 and have been around the block a few times in the digital space. Have failed at many things and succeeded at some. Can say I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things.

I'm a big believer that the greatest gift you can give someone is opportunity. In this case I'm offering to dedicate some time answering noob (read: Elementary not Googleable) questions as far as how to get started down a similar path.


Currently make 20-30k/mo online working for myself. Will be hustling hard in '18 to scale that to 100k+/month. This is from 3 things:

- Day/ swing trading cryptos.
- Affiliate marketing: media buys on facebook promoting blackhat type offers.
- Providing a service to other black hat affiliate marketers.


Feel free to ask me anything.. would love to help some others take steps towards financial independence.

**Please do not private message me about this. I'm not offering any sort of ongoing mentorship and any questions you have should be asked publicly so others can benefit.**

Post: #2

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions here.

What learning resources do you recommend for day/swing trading cryptos, any particular tips for it and what cryptos do you like?

Also Merry Christmas!

Post: #3

Great opportunity, i would like to know the following:

What cloaker do you use for your FB ads?
How often does FB shut down your accounts?
How do you make new FB accounts once shut down? How do you get new credit cards for the accounts?
What kind of blackhat offers do you promote on FB?

Post: #4

What are solid solid networks with reliable payouts?

Post: #5

(12-25-2017 04:13 AM)Valentine Wrote:  Thanks for taking the time to answer questions here.

What learning resources do you recommend for day/swing trading cryptos, any particular tips for it and what cryptos do you like?

Also Merry Christmas!

Absolutely! I'm happy to be able to offer some value, and Merry Xmas to you too.

For resources, cryptos are an interesting beast. Yes they do adhere to basic TA patterns present in FX/ Stocks, but being that all alts trade in relation to BTC, BTC price has a massive influence. So for TA fundamentals I recommend babypips.com. Get a grasp on simple concepts like support, resistance, some simple indicators. Also youtube has been helpful for me.

But with cryptos, these 100-500% gains you see some coins hitting in a week are a result of something fundamental (unless they're shitcoins being pumped/ dumped). News being released, new feature being implemented, that sort of stuff combined with other conditions will skyrocket a coin's value. So reading whitepapers, understanding projects/ teams, and following relevant twitters/ slack/ telegram channels is huge for finding out what's coming.

Now all of that said, the biggest thing for me in my learning and relatively small success (up 50% this month.. should be 90% but BTC shit the bed this last week), has been community. I'm in a couple FB groups with guys that are way smarter than me and have a lot of experience. If there's interest from anyone here in joining the FB group, feel free to PM me asking for the link. Will gladly give it to any members here that have shown some level of contribution.

Now.. for cryptos that I like as long term HODLs.. LTC will be big in '18.. but my top two right now are XRP/ XLM. BTRX is closed to new regs right now, so try buying on Binance if you're keen. Also like ADA, LSK, OMG, XZC

Another thing I'm doing now is testing a paid telegram trading signal channel. It's $7 for the first month then $300/month. Not sure if I'll keep going with it, but the guy does seem knowledgable and so far I'm learning new things which is what matters.

If you have the money, BTC being ~13k right now is a huge bargain. Will be back to 20k within 4 weeks. Easy to buy on Coinbase, but for lower/ no fees, either use Gemini, or send a wire direct to GDAX (Coinbase's exchange).

Post: #6

(12-25-2017 04:13 AM)superschalk Wrote:  Great opportunity, i would like to know the following:

What cloaker do you use for your FB ads?
How often does FB shut down your accounts?
How do you make new FB accounts once shut down? How do you get new credit cards for the accounts?
What kind of blackhat offers do you promote on FB?

Cloaker - Currently use TA, though also like NOIP. Will get you invites @ either if you need them.

Account life - 200 - 8k is typical for me. All depends on your angle, your warming pattern, account qual, card qual, luck, time of year, vert, cloaker, etc etc etc.

Accounts - Currently using accounts from my partner's farm. Account farming is incredibly complex, and something I'd only recommend looking into once it's the only piece holding you back from scaling in a serious way. Until then I recommend rentals, buying accounts, or JVing.

Cards - This is actually the service I provide, sourcing cards for medium-large blackhat teams, so I'm sorry, but this is one thing I can't speak in detail about. That said, if you're the US, look into banks that will give you employee cards after registering a business account.

(12-25-2017 04:39 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  What are solid solid networks with reliable payouts?

For nutra I like GrabAds/ Oasis/ Jumbleberry/ C2M

Post: #7

Do you have any difficulties transferring your crypto gains back into real currency?

I've heard a lot of people who made big gains (6 figures) on Bitcoin in particular recently are having trouble "cashing out". Are you managing to do that in large quantities? If so, how?

Post: #8

Are you glued to a screen? And require a strong ever present internet connection?

Post: #9

Hmm...interesting. I didn't know people were still using cloaking.

How are they designing the software given that Facebook doest publicly release their detection methods anymore?

https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/09/facebook-cloaking/

Any good forums/communities to read more about this?

Post: #10

(12-25-2017 08:02 AM)zatara Wrote:  Do you have any difficulties transferring your crypto gains back into real currency?

I've heard a lot of people who made big gains (6 figures) on Bitcoin in particular recently are having trouble "cashing out". Are you managing to do that in large quantities? If so, how?

Haha we shall see, but the short answer is, doubt it. In terms of literally turning BTC in fiat, that's easy and can be done with an exchange like GDAx/ Gemini, or selling on local bitcoins. Unfortunately though, IRS is treating crypto to crypto exchanges NOT as "like kind". Meaning tax needs to be paid on every single currency pair exchange cus each counts as a separate trade. Luckily I have a good lawyer/CPA that's also active in the space and will be doing my crypto books this year. If anyone wants a referral let me know.

I'm also considering investing in Pantera's long term ICO fund.. 50k buy in and you get to realize long term cap gains rates.. Might just do that.

(12-25-2017 08:24 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  Are you glued to a screen? And require a strong ever present internet connection?

Yes and no.. I'm in front of the screen 7-14 hours/day but get 80% of my productivity done in probably 5. Usually. Some days I'm online 15 hours and effective every minute of it. Thing is, I like what I do. Usually only not want to be in front of the computer to fuck a girl or grab a seltzer.

(12-25-2017 11:08 AM)Teep Wrote:  Hmm...interesting. I didn't know people were still using cloaking.

How are they designing the software given that Facebook doest publicly release their detection methods anymore?

https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/09/facebook-cloaking/

Any good forums/communities to read more about this?

Lolol yes a few times/year they'll put out some bluster PR about banning it. But truth is, bh guys like me account for >1b/ year in ad rev for them. No wayy they're banning us. At least yet. It does get a lot harder in Q4 because they want to make room for the big brands that don't want to be bidding for adspace next to a bunch of Dr Oz skin cream ads. Also FB needs to give the appearance of making their best effort in order to need to stay on the good side of the FTC.

You can try STM and will likely get a feel for what's happening, but in order to find the good stuff you'll need to experiment for yourself. If you're serious about it, then join STM, get some rep over there, and join all the BH Skype masterminds you can find. Or hire a guru who at least used to know their shit, but now will spoon feed you for 5-10k.

Post: #11

^Why would you need to cloak Dr. Oz skin cream ads?

Post: #12

I am new to affiliate marketing, what exactly is a media buy? Could you explain the FB business you are talking about?

Post: #13

(12-25-2017 12:46 PM)Teep Wrote:  ^Why would you need to cloak Dr. Oz skin cream ads?

Because it's not actually his skin cream. Fake celeb endorsements move product. Also because they're negative-option offers which is against FB TOS and the good people at the FTC frown on such things.

(12-25-2017 02:03 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  I am new to affiliate marketing, what exactly is a media buy? Could you explain the FB business you are talking about?

The first part is bordering on an entirely googleable question, but it's xmas so I'll answer anyways :.
Media buying = purchasing ad space. The traffic source could be TV commercials, radio spots, pop up ads, or in my case, facebook ads. The goal is to make more money monetizing the eyeballs viewing your ad by promoting a product, in this case affiliate products, than you pay for the ad. IE if I'm spending $500/day on a fb account, I'd hope to make $1000 in rev from that adspend.

Which facebook business do you want to know more about?

Post: #14

(12-25-2017 02:35 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 12:46 PM)Teep Wrote:  ^Why would you need to cloak Dr. Oz skin cream ads?

Because it's not actually his skin cream. Fake celeb endorsements move product. Also because they're negative-option offers which is against FB TOS and the good people at the FTC frown on such things.

(12-25-2017 02:03 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  I am new to affiliate marketing, what exactly is a media buy? Could you explain the FB business you are talking about?

The first part is bordering on an entirely googleable question, but it's xmas so I'll answer anyways :.
Media buying = purchasing ad space. The traffic source could be TV commercials, radio spots, pop up ads, or in my case, facebook ads. The goal is to make more money monetizing the eyeballs viewing your ad by promoting a product, in this case affiliate products, than you pay for the ad. IE if I'm spending $500/day on a fb account, I'd hope to make $1000 in rev from that adspend.

Which facebook business do you want to know more about?

I did, I wanted to make sure it was the same thing.

I am just curious to what type of products/industry are lucrative to sell that are considered black hat. Are the affiliate products things related to security?

Post: #15

(12-25-2017 02:41 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  I did, I wanted to make sure it was the same thing.

I am just curious to what type of products/industry are lucrative to sell that are considered black hat. Are the affiliate products things related to security?

Cool, appreciate you taking the time to do so.

BH verticals that are lucrative on facebook right now:
Diet*, skin*, cbd*, muscle supps*, dick pills*, booty pills*, other assorted nutraceuticals, casino, binary, scammy indian tech support (though in major decline).

* = trial rebill/ negative option offer.

I really only recommend getting started with BH FB if you have at least 15k to fund your learning curve. When I got started I paid 5k to a guru who spoon fed me a bunch of info that's available for free in the skype masterminds, but I didn't know that then.

Post: #16

Have you tried being an affiliate with overseas pharmacies? I feel like that could be a field day with Facebook ads.

Post: #17

(12-25-2017 04:20 PM)Teep Wrote:  Have you tried being an affiliate with overseas pharmacies? I feel like that could be a field day with Facebook ads.

I haven't - the trick would be making ads that indicate the offer, without doing so in such an overt was as to not be approved. Plus with trial offers, they're so appealing in part because of their price point, usually $4.95 for the trial. Just my bias but I'm going to guess this just doesn't work, being that it's such a mature space and no one's doing it. "Go where there are pioneers with arrows in their backs."

Post: #18

Nice to have someone at the forum working at the same kinda of things. I used to run a lot of BH last year. I am just running ecomm right now, at EUR ~20k/mo and planning to destroy in 2018. Are you running just BH? Maybe I know you from any Skype group

Post: #19

(12-25-2017 07:24 PM)luckskywalker Wrote:  Nice to have someone at the forum working at the same kinda of things. I used to run a lot of BH last year. I am just running ecomm right now, at EUR ~20k/mo and planning to destroy in 2018. Are you running just BH? Maybe I know you from any Skype group

Ah, well met my friend). Perhaps we do know each other from some groups..

How has Q4 been treating you? I paused casino 10 days ago, 100% dried up to 0% the week before xmas so I called it quits until Jan 1, have 10 accounts warmed and ready. Yes I only run BH, focusing on only casino now. If you ever need accounts/ cards, hit me up and am happy to hook up good rates for a fellow RVF'er.

Post: #20

(12-25-2017 07:47 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 07:24 PM)luckskywalker Wrote:  Nice to have someone at the forum working at the same kinda of things. I used to run a lot of BH last year. I am just running ecomm right now, at EUR ~20k/mo and planning to destroy in 2018. Are you running just BH? Maybe I know you from any Skype group

Ah, well met my friend). Perhaps we do know each other from some groups..

How has Q4 been treating you? I paused casino 10 days ago, 100% dried up to 0% the week before xmas so I called it quits until Jan 1, have 10 accounts warmed and ready. Yes I only run BH, focusing on only casino now. If you ever need accounts/ cards, hit me up and am happy to hook up good rates for a fellow RVF'er.

Not good but not too bad either. Last year my best day was Jan 2, so if Jan 1 is not good for you, wait till Jan 2. I am unloading a lot of shit already schedule to Jan 2. Right now really focusing on WH, so not much need for accounts. Good luck and if you ever hit EU, let me know)

Post: #21

Have you thought of writing a datasheet? I'm in the same boat and am planning on doing a concise one once I've finished a big batch of work.

Post: #22

(12-25-2017 10:57 PM)gework Wrote:  Have you thought of writing a datasheet? I'm in the same boat and am planning on doing a concise one once I've finished a big batch of work.

That hadn't occurred to me.. but really a good idea. If anyone's keen on this let me know and I'll put something together for getting going on BH facebook.

Post: #23

(12-25-2017 11:46 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 10:57 PM)gework Wrote:  Have you thought of writing a datasheet? I'm in the same boat and am planning on doing a concise one once I've finished a big batch of work.

That hadn't occurred to me.. but really a good idea. If anyone's keen on this let me know and I'll put something together for getting going on BH facebook.

I'd be most definitely interested in this. FB's TOS is so limiting that it's tough to even get fitness ads passed through these days. Very frustrating. And going BH would seem to be the best workaround. Not to mentioned I'm sure that's where the most lucrative verticals are...

Post: #24

1. What is your current weekly time investment for each of these three profit streams?
2. How does the profit breakdown between these three profit streams from the 20k to 30k figure?
3. How do you plan to scale up your business to the 100k a month figure? VAs, software, reinvesting profits, etc.?
4. If you have time or have already considered, what are you planning on doing this coming year or have done this year to safeguard these profit streams?

Post: #25

(12-26-2017 12:28 AM)Teep Wrote:  I'd be most definitely interested in this. FB's TOS is so limiting that it's tough to even get fitness ads passed through these days. Very frustrating. And going BH would seem to be the best workaround. Not to mentioned I'm sure that's where the most lucrative verticals are...

Ok I'll think about a way to put something together that covers enough for the truly motivated people to get started..

Sure going BH is very lucrative. I know guys doing 10k+/day running BH on fb. Plenty out there doing 50k/day.
Not easy by any stretch, but doable.

That said, if you want longevity and sustainability, study FB's ad compliance standards like they're your personal bible and fix your ads/funnel so you can get compliant. WH is a great way to go too.