Post: #1

For starters, it seems to me that most bars have three or four areas where you will find women and how I see them in terms of approaching. Does this match your experiences?

1. Women sitting or standing at or near the bar. IMO, these women tend to be the most open to be gamed. They are often looking for interaction and are standing making it more comfortable when approaching.

2. Women sitting at tables. These can be communal tables, patios or regular square tables. I find these women to be less open to be approached than 1. because they have effectively removed themselves from the action a bit and there is the challenge of them sitting and you standing. I think the exception to this rule is where you have the tables with the high chairs where they are closer to eye level and normally these tables are places very close to the bar too.

3. Women dancing or chatting in the dance area. The same goes too if they are all chatting together in a big group on the sides. I find these to be the least open to approach even when they are giving IOIs. There still seems to be a big sisterhood mindset where conversations just seem harder to propel forward for me. This group will also often have their phones in their hands where they are easily distracted by the next ping. You can always try to approach these girls when they break away to the restroom or the bar but it still seems more often than no the "I got to get back to my friends" mentality is strong.

4. Women standing in line outside the bathroom. If the bar has the right setup where it would be normal for you to be hanging out by this area, I find these women tend to be very open to a conversation.

Also, I was listening to Roosh's podcast titled Warning Signs A Girl Isn't Worth Your Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwVF_T_E1rk. I was curious what things do you look for when considering approaching a woman in a bar and also what red flags do you look for after you approach the woman when deciding when you should bail on the conversation?

Some of the things that jumped out to me from his podcast were:

1. Any strong opinions about feminism or anti men. Even when I weather the storm on these, it never seems to be worth the trouble.
2. Cellphone in hand or even on table. These girls seem to be the worst at trying to have a conversation with. When talking they will glance back at their phone periodically rather than maintaining eye contact.

Others that I have noticed that are not good signs:

1. The woman turns her back to you at the bar for an extended period of time. This can be misleading sometimes but I think more often than not she is creating a physical barrier from you. I think this is an unnatural thing not to periodically at least check around you so to maintain a closed position would suggest to me she is not open to your approach.
2. She is not open to the smallest of suggestion like asking her to stand up to see how tall she is.
3. She continues to move the conversation back to what I will call platonic conversation topics rather than more sexualized, romantic conversation.
4. She unloads emotional baggage and holds onto it in the conversation. She doesn't let it go.
5. If she is overly mouthy and loudmouthed early on, this can be problematic but not always. This is also the case if it is a member of their group because they will interrupt your stories and flow when they get bored thinking they are funny and so on.

Post: #2

If i'm actively looking for a girl to take home that night:
1. Fat or not fat.
2. Face
3. Solo or with friends.
4. Other guys hovering around them. Determine if they are boyfriend or male orbiter.
5. Approach. Determine if she's attractive if as i 1st thought.
6. Isolate. Escalate. Leave.

Post: #3

Great thread to start.

From my experience...women sitting at the bar are the most open. If they are in a group, the simple difference between if they are facing forward while talking, or are facing left-right (thus are kind of half facing the rest of the bar) - the latter are more open.

Have to think more about my nightgame interactions. Honestly have too limited of experience to identify trends with certitude.

Post: #4

I stand in the middle of the dance floor and I wait.

I don't chase them. I make women chase me.

Then, when they come near me hoping for my attention, (I always know who likes me) they are filtered by their hair color and race.

Brunettes and latinas get a smile and a chance to spend the night with me.

Blondes, redheads, Asians, black women, and bachelorette parties get ignored.

How do they know I like them? I smile at them.

How do I know they like me? They smile back.

Post: #5

Thank you. Some good stuff. Here, are a few thoughts based on your comments:

(12-10-2017 09:59 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  If i'm actively looking for a girl to take home that night:
3. Solo or with friends.

It is great if you can find a girl that is solo but it is a very rare event at a bar. For example, this might be the case at 1 out of 30 bars or something. But yes they normally are very open to conversation. I find this to be true with restaurant game or most other places (museum, store, park, etc.) that a woman alone is more open to conversation if not in a rush. I pretty much assume I will be approaching a 2 or 3 set.

(12-10-2017 09:59 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  4. Other guys hovering around them. Determine if they are boyfriend or male orbiter.

I have started to do this more too as it will save you from some bad approaches. The only problem is that you can sometimes miss your window and some other guy will swoop in while you are trying to read the signs. Even if he fails, it then gets a bit harder for you if she was frustrated by the prior attempt.

I find it is best to ignore the male orbiter types when talking to the girl(s). I don't want to give those guys any power as it is too easy for them to go negative on you. Best advice I think is always to focus on the girls.

(12-10-2017 09:59 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  5. Approach. Determine if she's attractive if as i 1st thought.

A good point. I am also checking the ring finger and praying she does not have some kind of nose ring.

Post: #6

(12-10-2017 10:17 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I stand in the middle of the dance floor and I wait.

I don't chase them. I make women chase me.

Then, when they come near me hoping for my attention, (I always know who likes me) they are filtered by their hair color and race.

Brunettes and latinas get a smile and a chance to spend the night with me.

Blondes, redheads, Asians, black women, and bachelorette parties get ignored.

How do they know I like them? I smile at them.

How do I know they like me? They smile back.

Ok, walk me through this as I want to make sure I understand this. So the music is playing on the dance floor and you simply walk to the middle of the dance floor and stand there and are not dancing. But what are you doing exactly? Are you scanning the crowd or simply not looking at anyone and striking a pose like you are the coolest guy in the place?

Then, you wait to see which girls approach you as the ones that like you will start to hover around you to get your attention. You then exchange smiles and then you...dance together?, start a conversation or guide them off the dance floor to start a conversation?

Obviously, this approach works well for you but how successful do you think this would work for someone who is just say average looking?

Finally, I am curious the reasons for why you ignore bachelorette parties? Do you feel it is too hard to isolate any one of those girls as they will be pressured by the group to stay with the bachelorette group?

Post: #7

The problem with pickup is that, a lot of guys likely low functioning autistic lack social equity among a variety of things. Confidence for instance. Obsessing over pickup, over validation from women, and even chasing for pussy is pathetic. Actual game is in creating the ideal lifestyle. Sex, money, lifestyle, CHOICE all being by product.

Who doesn't enjoy sex? The thing is that, most men are literally willing to stick a shiv in their neck for it and with 1. a single mom or 2. cratered SMV. All and all, it does not end well. Divorce, cucked, woman makes false rape accusations or unleashes the dogs of the state to extract male resources!

Pursuing should be a way of life EVERYWHERE.

TS, put down the fake fucking mustache and wig. Lose the magic tricks. Stop wearing pink t-shirts. Flirt with women everywhere regardless of your excuses, insecurities, height, penor size or whatever lame rationalization you can come up with. Seek a purpose in this life and prioritize it. Ideally, incorporate the sort of ideal lifestyle whereby women are a by product.

EG, working out. natty, you flirt with women at the gym, women in yoga, women at the grocery store, and it just is a redundancy. Enough practice and its a way of 'being' without thought.

Post: #8

(12-10-2017 10:51 PM)TIOT12 Wrote:  Ok, walk me through this as I want to make sure I understand this. So the music is playing on the dance floor and you simply walk to the middle of the dance floor and stand there and are not dancing. But what are you doing exactly? Are you scanning the crowd or simply not looking at anyone and striking a pose like you are the coolest guy in the place?

Then, you wait to see which girls approach you as the ones that like you will start to hover around you to get your attention. You then exchange smiles and then you...dance together?, start a conversation or guide them off the dance floor to start a conversation?

Obviously, this approach works well for you but how successful do you think this would work for someone who is just say average looking?

Finally, I am curious the reasons for why you ignore bachelorette parties? Do you feel it is too hard to isolate any one of those girls as they will be pressured by the group to stay with the bachelorette group?

Of course I dance.

All men should dance, it keeps you young, makes you feel alive, screams "I don't give a fuck". You don't even have to dance well, you just do it.

And no, I never go into the club wanting to be the coolest person there. To be perfectly honest, I walk into the club thinking, I hope the DJ is good, because I'm about to tear this dance floor up.
Women don't walk into clubs and think to themselves, "oh look, a man sitting at the bar alone, just what I've always wanted, I can't wait to start a conversation with him and spend my whole night talking about something logical and pretending to laugh and be interested." Fuck no, they go to the club to shake their ass and dance to "get low." so they can escape the painful and hurtful life that they live in. And I'll be honest, I do it as well, when I dance I'm not thinking about social justice, North Korea, or how shitty my past has been. I'm looking into the strobe lights and imaging myself riding the ocean on a flying dragon.

And that in itself is attractive to women, you're not one of the hundreds of guys trying to look cool, spilling their beer everywhere, trying to booty dance like it's 7th grade, and stick your tongue down someones throat like you've never kissed someone before.

You have to look like a man who has his shit together and doesn't care if he meets someone or not, and you have be having fun without faking it. When that happens, women flock to you, one after another, competing for your attention, hoping for your attention.

There isn't an answer to what you do if a woman smiles back. There are too many variables and too many situations to be attached to one method. Sometimes, I wave them over to me, sometimes I allow them to shake their ass on me for a few minutes before I move away from them, sometimes I grab their hand and bounce, sometimes they have a boyfriend and I find alternate ways of giving them my number. You have to feel out the situation properly without following the same pattern. That's the fun of it.

And if a woman who isn't attracted at all, starts dancing with me, I don't make her feel bad or shew her off like an asshole, I just ask her if she has any blow, this usually scares her away, and of course sometimes you get lucky and they say yes, and in that case, you just scored some free blow, so it's a win fucking win.

Does this method work for ugly men. Not very well.

But I didn't walk into the club at 18 and own the place, it took me 10-15 years of struggling, going home alone, and hitting the gym day after day . If you walk into a club and you're the bottom 20% of the percentile, so what, then let that be your motivation. Year after year, men will get fatter, more bitter, more jaded about nightlife and women to the point where they walk out of the club and say, "I'm done with this shit." "Women are so much better in x country". Then they go home and sit in their taco farts, watch television and swipe right.

Never go in that direction, or life wont do you any favors. If you're fat, lose the weight. If you're skinny, eat more and hit the gym, got no rhythm, then dance to EDM, teeth fucked up, get braces, got no hair, then get a hair-transplant or wear a hat. There really are no excuses; it comes down to how bad do you want it and how hard are you going to work for it.

Post: #9

You filter women at a bar by the IOIs they give you.

This is game 101 stuff.

Post: #10

I don't have any personal female preferences.

1. Level of Attraction
2. If they're alone or not, 2 friends, 3 friends, 3etc. The smaller the group the better. Though sometimes a 2 pair is not good since the other one might not have someone to talk to.
3. I don't worry about guys friends, (but don't interrupt when a guy is trying to hit it.)
4.The final and last filter: escalating the interaction almost immediately. This will determine or not if a woman is wasting your time or not.

Lastly, if you're waiting for IOIs. You waited too long.

Post: #11

(12-13-2017 09:34 PM)godzilla Wrote:  I don't have any personal female preferences.

1. Level of Attraction

Fair enough. But sometimes I will approach a girl early on in the night who is lesser than simply to get in another reference point and a practice swing. My thinking is the first approach or two of the night is going to be a little shaky and if not great targets are available early on, why not put in the practice.

(12-13-2017 09:34 PM)godzilla Wrote:  2. If they're alone or not, 2 friends, 3 friends, 3etc. The smaller the group the better. Though sometimes a 2 pair is not good since the other one might not have someone to talk to.

All valid points. For me, lately, I have been having some trouble with the 2 set for the reason you mentioned. I start to vibe with the one girl and the other girl gets upset or jealous as she fears I will take away her toy. I am not sure what to do with this. Without a wing, it seems I am stuck asking for a phone number unless I can convince the girl to some how ditch her friend which seems highly unlikely. Maybe some others on the board have better advice for dealing with this scenario.

(12-13-2017 09:34 PM)godzilla Wrote:  3. I don't worry about guys friends, (but don't interrupt when a guy is trying to hit it.)

Right now I usually avoid mixed sets. Even if the guy isn't the boy friend, there is a tendency for a lot of them to play white knight. For example, they might to pull the girl away or say some false comment like the girl is not interested when it is not the case. My general disposition here is to get confrontational after this which isn't ideal for game. How do you approach this aspect? Do you just ignore them and if necessary then make fun of them as not letting the women think for themselves? How do you normally handle this situation? I am thinking the better way is to keep the focus on the girl instead and ignore the others and even go so far as to pick her up and move her or something similar.

(12-13-2017 09:34 PM)godzilla Wrote:  4.The final and last filter: escalating the interaction almost immediately. This will determine or not if a woman is wasting your time or not.

I am curious how do you choose to escalate the interaction early? What is your test or thing(s) you do?

(12-13-2017 09:34 PM)godzilla Wrote:  Lastly, if you're waiting for IOIs. You waited too long.

Yeah, as an average looking guy, I don't wait around much for IOIs. I am looking to put in the approaches and get in my reps for the evening.

Post: #12

Ok so spam approachers are dumb. So dont approach cuz you can.

To another question. Start touching girls like right away. Don't worry about what they think. It takes a while to get used to but touch shoulders thighs etc

Post: #13

When I need a girl,then I look at her figure and she alone or with someone

Post: #14

LINUX nailed it, if you have presence and are there to have fun, girls will gravitate towards you.

I don't really distinguish between where they are and stuff but smoking area is one of the easiest places to find women if you want to chat them up.

Otherwise, dancefloor domination, having fun, bringing people in and basically not looking for any kind of hook up - it happens naturally.

Post: #15

(12-10-2017 11:58 PM)LINUX Wrote:  But I didn't walk into the club at 18 and own the place, it took me 10-15 years of struggling, going home alone, and hitting the gym day after day . If you walk into a club and you're the bottom 20% of the percentile, so what, then let that be your motivation. Year after year, men will get fatter, more bitter, more jaded about nightlife and women to the point where they walk out of the club and say, "I'm done with this shit." "Women are so much better in x country". Then they go home and sit in their taco farts, watch television and swipe right.
Never go in that direction, or life wont do you any favors. If you're fat, lose the weight. If you're skinny, eat more and hit the gym, got no rhythm, then dance to EDM, teeth fucked up, get braces, got no hair, then get a hair-transplant or wear a hat. There really are no excuses; it comes down to how bad do you want it and how hard are you going to work for it.

This advice isn't just something for picking up women. This advice applies to virtually everything in life. If you look good, then you will feel good, and all people respond to confidence. It's easier to get jobs, women, and to enjoy everything you do.

Female attraction does not just come down to a number point scale of your looks. She actually imagines what the sex will be like, what her life will feel like with you in it. If your like LINUX and you got moves on the dancefloor... she will feel like you got moves in bed too. If you are fun and having a good time she will want that for her life as well.

To adapt this advice to a bar situation, just go there laugh and enjoy yourself. Keep your eyes open for IOI and approach when you get them from someone you feel is attractive.

Post: #16

(12-10-2017 10:05 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Great thread to start.

From my experience...women sitting at the bar are the most open. If they are in a group, the simple difference between if they are facing forward while talking, or are facing left-right (thus are kind of half facing the rest of the bar) - the latter are more open.

Have to think more about my nightgame interactions. Honestly have too limited of experience to identify trends with certitude.

Add to this - I travel at times for work, and on my past two trips I approached 2 women eating alone at the bar of the restaurant I was having my dinner. I pulled up a chair, made small talk, noticed no red flags (i.e wedding rings) and pulled 1 of the 2.

Post: #17

(12-13-2017 09:34 PM)godzilla Wrote:  Lastly, if you're waiting for IOIs. You waited too long.

Women give out subconscious IOIs immediately. Lip-licking, hair tossing/adjustment, shoe dangle, just plain looking at you then down then back up, none of it takes more than 5 seconds.

Post: #18

Am I attracted to her...instant decision

Is she available...5 seconds to 5 minutes (eye contact, body language, quick comment)

Now that I type out that second part, when I'm at a bar, after assessing the situation, a simple comment is basically all it takes to figure out whether she's down.

Basically what treypound said. Easy pickins.

Example (I'm not this direct in my home town):
I was in Pawtucket one time sitting at the bar eating, it was jazz night. I saw this hottie looking around and circling the bar. I literally turned, leaned and lightly grabbed her arm as she walked behind me and said something like "I just noticed you looking around...wasn't sure if you were looking for someone but I'm in town on travel blah blah blah"...as quickly as possible. Within 1 second I could tell she was at least cool with my attempt. Within 2 seconds I could tell she would sit down. Slightly awkward at first (what approach isn't), but she sat down, was looking to get laid. Let's just say she wanted to fuck and I screwed it up at the end, didn't pull her to my room. One of my biggest last minute fuck ups, but the approach and everything else worked great until I didn't tell her to come to my room.

Way to conjure up that memory for me. Bothers me to this day, she was smokin hot.