Post: #1

Quote:The military has seized control in Zimbabwe but
has said President Robert Mugabe, in power since
1980, is safe.
After seizing state TV, an army spokesman
announced it was targeting people close to Mr
Mugabe who had caused "social and economic
suffering".
The move came after Mr Mugabe sacked his
deputy, Emmerson Mnangagwa, in favour of his
wife, Grace.
Heavy gun and artillery fire could be heard in
northern parts of the capital Harare early on
Wednesday.
A statement read out by a general on air denied it
was a coup and said Mr Mugabe was safe but did
not say where.
Latest reaction and updates
What we know so far
The rise of Grace Mugabe
There was no immediate word from Mr Mugabe
himself.
Mr Mugabe, 93, has dominated the impoverished
country's political scene since independence from
the UK.
The UK Foreign Office advised Britons "currently in
Harare to remain safely at home or in their
accommodation until the situation becomes
clearer", while the US embassy in Harare advised
US citizens in Zimbabwe to "shelter in place" until
further notice.
How did the military justify its move?
Soldiers overran the headquarters of the ZBC
broadcaster after armoured vehicles took up
position on roads around Harare on Tuesday.
Maj Gen Sibusiso Moyo went on air to say the
military wished to "assure the nation that his
Excellency the president... and his family are safe
and sound and their security is guaranteed".
"We are only targeting criminals around him who are
committing crimes... that are causing social and
economic suffering in the country," he said.
"As soon as we have accomplished our mission, we
expect that the situation will return to normalcy."
Other key points of the statement included:
Citizens should remain calm and limit
unnecessary movement
The military assures the Zimbabwean judiciary
that its independence is guaranteed
Security services should "co-operate for the
good of our country" and any provocation
would "be met with an appropriate response"
All leave for the defence forces is cancelled
and personnel should return to barracks
immediately
It is not clear who is leading the military action.
Army chief Gen Constantino Chiwenga had said the
army was prepared to act to end purges within the
ruling Zanu-PF party.
Who else has been detained?
A government source told Reuters news agency that
Finance Minister Ignatius Chombo had been
detained.
He is a leading member of a faction of Zanu-PF led
by Mr Mugabe's wife Grace.
Is this a coup?
Alex Magaisa, former adviser to Zimbabwean
opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai, told the BBC
he did not believe the military's claim that they had
not carried out a coup.
"They have decided not to call it a coup because
they know that a coup does not sell, it will be
condemned," he said.
"But as far as authority is concerned it seems very
clear that President Mugabe is now just a president
in name and authority is now residing in the
military."
Zanu-PF had accused Gen Chiwenga of "treasonable
conduct" after he issued his warning that he army
might intervene.
What do we know of the fighting?
The firing was coming from northern suburbs where
Mr Mugabe and a number of government officials
live, the BBC's Shingai Nyoka reports from Harare.
A witness told AFP news agency it could be heard
near Mr Mugabe's residence in the suburb of
Borrowdale early on Wednesday,
Some staff at ZBC were manhandled when the
soldiers moved in, sources told Reuters. Workers
were told that they "should not worry", a source
added, and that soldiers were only there to protect
the site.
What was the political situation before the
army acted?
Mr Mugabe sacked Mr Mnangagwa last week, amid
a row over succession.
Mr Mnangagwa had previously been seen as an heir
to the president, but First Lady Grace Mugabe had
since become the clear front-runner .
The rivalry between Mrs Mugabe and Mr
Mnangagwa has split Zanu-PF.
Last month, Mrs Mugabe had warned of a possible
coup plot , saying allies of Mr Mnangagwa were
threatening the lives of those who didn't support
him.
Zanu-PF said Gen Chiwenga's comments were
"calculated to disturb national peace... [and] incite
insurrection".
The party said it would never succumb to military
threats, and that it "reaffirms the primacy of politics
over the gun".
Gen Chiwenga had said the "purging" within Zanu-
PF was "clearly targeting members of the party with
a liberation background", referring to the country's
struggle for freedom from white minority rule.
Mr Mnangagwa is one such veteran of the 1970Dead lift a Dead lift a Dead lift a Dead lift a Dead lift a
war which ended white minority rule.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41992351

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(11-15-2017 03:41 AM)Stonk Wrote:  

Quote:Gen Chiwenga had said the "purging" within Zanu-
PF was "clearly targeting members of the party with
a liberation background", referring to the country's
struggle for freedom from white minority rule.
Mr Mnangagwa is one such veteran of the 1970Dead lift a Dead lift a Dead lift a Dead lift a Dead lift a
war which ended white minority rule.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41992351

You know you're talking to a RVF'er when misplaced copy paste text like this appears

Post: #3

Haha. my bad.

I was speaking with a friend on how to improve dead lifts. How that got to the article befuddles me.

Post: #4

Unfortunately i'm not surprised by this news...
Many places in Africa and the middle east are unstable.
For whatever reason, you can't have true democracy in over there. It has to be a dictatorship or there's just an ever revolving door of military or political coup every decade or so.

Post: #5

Expansive if veracious.

Watch for local government skullduggery slipping by unnoticed while the press is short-stroking it over this event.

Post: #6

Apparently, Robert Mugabe was trying to pave the way for his wife, Grace Mugabe, to succeed him.

Glad to see his Marxist rule is slowly winding to an end.

Post: #7

Zimbabwean born here. Not old enough to remember white colonial rule but hope order can be restored. It is a shame how a great county collapsed under the watch of Africas 'most educated president'.

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My only reservation is that this better not become a pretext to import and settle tens or hundreds of thousands of Zimbabweans in small town red America. Other than that, let them do what they gotta do, it's their country and their business. Make Zimbabwe Great Again...or not...either way works for me.

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(11-15-2017 10:10 AM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  My only reservation is that this better not become a pretext to import and settle tens or hundreds of thousands of Zimbabweans in small town red America. Other than that, let them do what they gotta do, it's their country and their business. Make Zimbabwe Great Again...or not...either way works for me.

Zimbabweans arent Muslim so it'll never happen.

Post: #10

I am sure there are thousands of Zimbabweans in America already.

Post: #11

Zimbabweans are OKAY with it. The coup removed Mugabe and installed his Vice that was removed because of his wife... in a few days it would normalise. Mugabe has become too old that his wife has been manipulating him.

Post: #12

(11-15-2017 04:21 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  Unfortunately i'm not surprised by this news...
Many places in Africa and the middle east are unstable.
For whatever reason, you can't have true democracy in over there. It has to be a dictatorship or there's just an ever revolving door of military or political coup every decade or so.

It's primarily due to low median IQ. Those places are and will always be brutal shitholes dominated by a handful of corrupt thugs.

Sorry Piankhi - not trying to bust your balls. Simply a fact that the average IQ in Zimbabwe happens to be 66, which would be considered retarded in most European nations as well as the U.S.

Post: #13

^Its alright. We not going to the moon anytime soon but we might be like Botswana and let whites and Asians run the economy.

Post: #14

Come to my microbrewery, we have a new black stout called "Zimbabwean Coup."

Post: #15

(11-15-2017 01:59 PM)redpillage Wrote:  Sorry Piankhi - not trying to bust your balls. Simply a fact that the average IQ in Zimbabwe happens to be 66, which would be considered retarded in most European nations as well as the U.S.

AIDS aside, neighbouring Botswana is doing quite well. They don't seem like a nation of retards.

Besides, even if that was the case, corruption isn't necessarily related to IQ. Russians and Chinese are smart but their countries have a massive corruption problem.

Post: #16

(11-15-2017 03:05 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 01:59 PM)redpillage Wrote:  Sorry Piankhi - not trying to bust your balls. Simply a fact that the average IQ in Zimbabwe happens to be 66, which would be considered retarded in most European nations as well as the U.S.

AIDS aside, neighbouring Botswana is doing quite well. They don't seem like a nation of retards.

Besides, even if that was the case, corruption isn't necessarily related to IQ. Russians and Chinese are smart but their countries have a massive corruption problem.

The average IQ in Botswana is around 70. With that you wouldn't qualify to work as a dog catcher in any 1st world nation. Despite high corruption both the Chinese and Russians nevertheless have somewhat functioning political systems and economies and it seems to me they are doing just fine, hair splitting aside.

But let's focus on the core issue, which is democracy. It only exists in high IQ nations (95 and above) because it only can exist in places populated by a people who are able to recognize its value. Low IQ population prefer to be led by a strong small minority who, often despite best intentions, wind up exploiting them.

That said, the West is obviously going through a very dark phase right now and may not ever come out of it. Germany today is a great example that shows how high IQ populations can repeatedly follow despotic or fascist leaders. So yes, there is more to it than just pure IQ, but it is nevertheless a base requirement if history is any indicator.

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(11-15-2017 02:22 PM)Piankhi Wrote:  ^Its alright. We not going to the moon anytime soon but we might be like Botswana and let whites and Asians run the economy.

Would you be okay with that?

Post: #18

@Transsimian.

Africa has a major religious problem. They're too invested in it. Sometime ago, the Zimbabwean Parliament was discussing plans of investing In "Religious Tourism" after seeing how much fanfare has been garnered by Nigerian Pastors and their flamboyant lifestyle.

Post: #19

(11-15-2017 04:08 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 02:22 PM)Piankhi Wrote:  ^Its alright. We not going to the moon anytime soon but we might be like Botswana and let whites and Asians run the economy.

Would you be okay with that?

Beggars cant be choosers.

Post: #20

One would think that a coup against Mugabe would be good news. But the fact that it was organized by Mugabe’s former Vice President, Emmerson Mnangagwa, means that Zimbabwe will get more of the same with or without Mugabe or his wife.

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The coup leaders are just as committed to Mugabe’s political ideology of anti-white racialism and Communism as Mugabe himself is.

Post: #21

(11-15-2017 07:51 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  Zimbabwean born here. Not old enough to remember white colonial rule but hope order can be restored. It is a shame how a great county collapsed under the watch of Africas 'most educated president'.

In many former colonies, those educated in Western countries saw democracy in action - and quickly learned how to PREVENT it back home. Few former colonies of liberal democracies transitioned to successful democracies themselves for this very reason.

Post: #22

(11-15-2017 04:45 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  One would think that a coup against Mugabe would be good news. But the fact that it was organized by Mugabe’s former Vice President, Emmerson Mnangagwa, means that Zimbabwe will get more of the same with or without Mugabe or his wife.

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The coup leaders are just as committed to Mugabe’s political ideology of anti-white racialism and Communism as Mugabe himself is.

They might surprise you.

Sometimes events like this are a good opportunity to break a rancid party line in favour of more pragmatic approaches.

The new boss might hate the whites as much as the old boss but sees the value they bring and takes the whole genocide thing down a few notches. If nothing else I doubt the coup leaders are more inclined than Mugabe to beat on whitey.

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(11-15-2017 05:10 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 04:45 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  One would think that a coup against Mugabe would be good news. But the fact that it was organized by Mugabe’s former Vice President, Emmerson Mnangagwa, means that Zimbabwe will get more of the same with or without Mugabe or his wife.

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The coup leaders are just as committed to Mugabe’s political ideology of anti-white racialism and Communism as Mugabe himself is.

They might surprise you.

Sometimes events like this are a good opportunity to break a rancid party line in favour of more pragmatic approaches.

The new boss might hate the whites as much as the old boss but sees the value they bring and takes the whole genocide thing down a few notches. If nothing else I doubt the coup leaders are more inclined than Mugabe to beat on whitey.

Miracles never cease.

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(11-15-2017 05:10 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 04:45 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  One would think that a coup against Mugabe would be good news. But the fact that it was organized by Mugabe’s former Vice President, Emmerson Mnangagwa, means that Zimbabwe will get more of the same with or without Mugabe or his wife.

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The coup leaders are just as committed to Mugabe’s political ideology of anti-white racialism and Communism as Mugabe himself is.

They might surprise you.

Sometimes events like this are a good opportunity to break a rancid party line in favour of more pragmatic approaches.

The new boss might hate the whites as much as the old boss but sees the value they bring and takes the whole genocide thing down a few notches. If nothing else I doubt the coup leaders are more inclined than Mugabe to beat on whitey.

Let's hope that is the case. On the other hand, new dictators usually need to find a handy scapegoat and well...we know how that story ends.

On a lighter note...

Post: #25

RIP Rhodesia, former bread basket of Africa






In other East African developments, isn't Tanzania moving towards more authoritarianism?