Post: #1

How did we miss this when it came out?

Quote:'British women are entitled and overweight': Seduction expert who's dated 200 Russian ladies says men should look to Eastern Europe to find a beautiful, intelligent wife

A British dating expert has delivered a scathing critique of English women - and strongly recommended that blokes date Eastern European girls instead.

Richard La Ruina, 37, from Cambridge has published two bestselling-books on seduction and was named 'Britain's number one superstar chat-up artist' by a newspaper in 2008.

The dating expert says that British women have become entitled and overweight and firmly advises clients to avoid homegrown ladies and go for Eastern European girls - who are more feminine, well mannered and prettier in his opinion.

In fact, after realising that British women were 'not marriage material', Richard moved to Moscow, Russia in 2011 with the sole purpose of finding a girl to settle down with. He dated around 200 'good and beautiful Russian women' before he met his wife Katia in February 2015.

Richard, who married Katia, 26, in December last year, says: 'In my professional and personal opinion, I would recommend that my male clients not date British women. If you're looking for a woman who is beautiful, intelligent and has good manners, then go for an Eastern European girl.

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Richard has seen a movement amongst successful British men who are travelling to Eastern Europe, particularly Russia, to meet their future wives.

He explains: 'In recent years, there does seem to be a movement towards Eastern European women. There's a rise of wealthy male entrepreneurs who are unsatisfied with their love life in the UK and realize that the solution is to go to Russia where it's just easier for them to meet the best women.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...women.html

Post: #2

Quote:Richard, who charges over $500 for a one-hour Skype call with his clients, says: 'Over time, I realized that I wasn't really enjoying my dates with English women.

Who the hell would pay that money to a guy he would not even meet in person?

Post: #3

Quote:RICHARD'S TOP TIPS FOR DATING EASTERN EUROPEAN WOMEN
(...)
BE HONEST AND OPEN WHEN APPROACHING WOMEN: Unlike British women, Eastern European girls don't like their men to skirt around the subject. When you see a beautiful Russian woman at the bar, be direct and go straight up to them. Tell her she's beautiful and that you want to take her for dinner or a drink. Being honest usually works and as long as you seem alright, they'll probably agree and go on a date with you. It's less complicated than the UK dating scene.

Charlatan.

Post: #4

This guy is a long time PUA, I think he went by the moniker Gambler.

Post: #5

The commentary section....

Post: #6

His girl is a solid 8.

Post: #7

I didn't read the article, the title makes it sound like hate porn for the western fatties.

And if you take a look at the comment section this hate porn article is effective.

Post: #8

This shit needs to be taken down ASAP, whether or not the article is bullshit.

Last thing you need is more incels flooding to Ukraine totaling ruining the market / ratio there.

It's already started with the Philippines with my player boss saying the girls are starting to get more savvy regarding their market values to foreigner. It's still good now but I dont expect it to last long.

Post: #9

Long-time PUA and not the only one. Many coaches put a flag in EE.

EDIT: the article is one long ad for this guy.

I was in London last year and i saw many fine honeys from all colors, some really good artists... and there are many great universities there. London is daygame heaven, only downside are logistics as far as I could tell. Just because some high-end chicks are removing themselves from the dating market in the UK doesn’t mean you should pack up your shit and move to Moscow.

It sounds he just wanted to fuck anything that moves until he found one that fits his “life strategy”, like a pawn on a board.

Post: #10

Quote:According to Richard, you won't catch a Russian woman getting drunk in a nightclub or going home with someone on the first date

Master PUA detected!

(10-17-2017 11:00 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  This shit needs to be taken down ASAP, whether or not the article is bullshit.

Last thing you need is more incels flooding to Ukraine totaling ruining the market / ratio there.

He doesn't care:

Quote:'When I was single, I kept the fact about Eastern European women being better than British women a secret because I was enjoying the company of so many wonderful girls. But now I'm married, I'm happy to spread the message.'

"Now that I'm married and about to have kids I gotta start making money and selling the dream."

Also:

Quote:'I went to the Ukraine, Lithuania, Lativia and Estonia amongst other countries...

Post: #11

This thread and the article should be titled "Dumbshit PUA Forgets Everything He Knows and Gets Married."

Post: #12

(10-17-2017 09:09 AM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  The commentary section....

Triggered?! More like extremely salty! The jealousy in those highest rated comments is sadder than anything else.

Post: #13

Caleb Jones over at Black Dragon Blog wrote an article on this as it pertains to monogamous marriage:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2017/10/1...-analysis/

Would be curious what you guys think of that article.

Post: #14

Unless the guy paid those girls to model, then I'd say he has shit together. That or Russia really is the land of milk and honey. That's some very attractive girls he is pictured with.

Post: #15

He may have banged the girls his photographed with, or he may have not. There's no way to know, nor is there any way for the Russian girls to complain either because there's no extradition treaty there.

Seems to me if you want to be a PUA, just make sure you have your photograph game on point. Get pictures with beautiful women. Actually very easy if you are clever.

Post: #16

(10-17-2017 05:21 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  Caleb Jones over at Black Dragon Blog wrote an article on this as it pertains to monogamous marriage:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2017/10/1...-analysis/

Would be curious what you guys think of that article.

I'm ambivalent about Caleb and blackdragon for three particular reasons:
* It sounds too good to be true: buy my book and you too can have a main lady who is OK with you fucking other girls on the side. (as a caveat I will say: I've never done what he's done, so I can't say it doesn't work. But I'm not convinced marriage as an institution is doomed to fail).
* Ego investment in narrative that traditional marriage is doomed - keep in mind this guy got married at 25 to an older woman who already had a kid from a previous relationship and he was a self-described beta at the time. I've found guys like him (divorced after picking a bad woman) almost always shit on marriage. They can't admit maybe they fucked up, rather they take the easier route of saying the whole institution of marriage is fucked up
* He's a self-described INTJ - huge red flags. INTJs absolutely suck, just completely, at relationships. I say this as an INTJ myself. You need to put a lot of work into developing your shadow side (your weaker functions). I can attest it's a lot of work, as an INTJ you're naturally horrible at relationships. But having read a lot of Caleb's material, I get the impression he's never fixed his inner game. He basically went from divorce to pickup to his current system. In essence, he figured out how to make a broken system work (hint: never go completely monogamous)

There are people out there who have successful marriages. The problem is that they typically don't venture into the manosphere. I mean, I assume you can use both your legs - are you engaging with paraplegic forums or blogs? Most men who've figured out on their own how to have a successful marriage have no reason to visit our neck of the woods.

That said, as the breakdown of men-women relationships is linked to general degeneracy, I have found a few guys who seem to be crushing their marriages finally interacting with the manosphere.

I can't 100% endorse these guys, as I don't know them personally, but their stories/blogs seem legit: Hunter Drew (TheFamilyAlpha) and Craig James (MasculineByDesign) on Twitter. I think Hunter's been with his wife for 12 years, married for 7. Craig has been with his wife for at least 11 years I believe.

A vast contrast to Caleb, who a) is an INTJ, b) had a bad divorce, c) has a financial interest in promoting his OLTR theory.

As for this particular PUA guy, I get the impression he's very much in the same boat as Neil Strauss - knows how game works, can get laid, but internally completely fucked up. As such, I agree with Caleb that his marriage may not work. But it won't be because monogamy doesn't work, it'll be because this guy never went beyond the PUA stage of life.

Game works, but my impression has been that if you've only got game and nothing else going on in life, yeah you'll constantly fail in long-term relationships as sooner or later women will see your unresolved insecurities. Similar to how Mystery ended up in the hospital. Dude was a master at game, but a disaster at relationships. A lot of these PUA guys made the mistake of becoming financially successful because of pickup, and thus they becoming married to their ideas, never allowing themselves to evolve beyond. You can see this everywhere - people will rather die than give up on the idea that made them financially or professionally successful. Again, not to say game doesn't work - but if internally you're not right, your relationships won't last. To provide another resource, look up Pat Stedman, he has some interesting observations on the limitations of just using game:

http://patstedman.com/2017/06/29/who-needs-game/

Post: #17

(10-17-2017 06:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  He may have banged the girls his photographed with, or he may have not. There's no way to know, nor is there any way for the Russian girls to complain either because there's no extradition treaty there.

Seems to me if you want to be a PUA, just make sure you have your photograph game on point. Get pictures with beautiful women. Actually very easy if you are clever.

Unless I'm mistaken, the last picture in the article "The dating expert with another of his many Russian ex-girlfriends" - the girl has a wedding ring. So either this guy got engaged and it didn't work out, or he was a bit sloppy with details and forgot to tell the model to take off her ring.

Post: #18

Yes, I was totally focused on her ... ring. Yeah.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #19

(10-17-2017 07:37 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 05:21 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  Caleb Jones over at Black Dragon Blog wrote an article on this as it pertains to monogamous marriage:

http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2017/10/1...-analysis/

Would be curious what you guys think of that article.

I'm ambivalent about Caleb and blackdragon for three particular reasons:
* It sounds too good to be true: buy my book and you too can have a main lady who is OK with you fucking other girls on the side. (as a caveat I will say: I've never done what he's done, so I can't say it doesn't work. But I'm not convinced marriage as an institution is doomed to fail).
* Ego investment in narrative that traditional marriage is doomed - keep in mind this guy got married at 25 to an older woman who already had a kid from a previous relationship and he was a self-described beta at the time. I've found guys like him (divorced after picking a bad woman) almost always shit on marriage. They can't admit maybe they fucked up, rather they take the easier route of saying the whole institution of marriage is fucked up
* He's a self-described INTJ - huge red flags. INTJs absolutely suck, just completely, at relationships. I say this as an INTJ myself. You need to put a lot of work into developing your shadow side (your weaker functions). I can attest it's a lot of work, as an INTJ you're naturally horrible at relationships. But having read a lot of Caleb's material, I get the impression he's never fixed his inner game. He basically went from divorce to pickup to his current system. In essence, he figured out how to make a broken system work (hint: never go completely monogamous)

There are people out there who have successful marriages. The problem is that they typically don't venture into the manosphere. I mean, I assume you can use both your legs - are you engaging with paraplegic forums or blogs? Most men who've figured out on their own how to have a successful marriage have no reason to visit our neck of the woods.

That said, as the breakdown of men-women relationships is linked to general degeneracy, I have found a few guys who seem to be crushing their marriages finally interacting with the manosphere.

I can't 100% endorse these guys, as I don't know them personally, but their stories/blogs seem legit: Hunter Drew (TheFamilyAlpha) and Craig James (MasculineByDesign) on Twitter. I think Hunter's been with his wife for 12 years, married for 7. Craig has been with his wife for at least 11 years I believe.

A vast contrast to Caleb, who a) is an INTJ, b) had a bad divorce, c) has a financial interest in promoting his OLTR theory.

As for this particular PUA guy, I get the impression he's very much in the same boat as Neil Strauss - knows how game works, can get laid, but internally completely fucked up. As such, I agree with Caleb that his marriage may not work. But it won't be because monogamy doesn't work, it'll be because this guy never went beyond the PUA stage of life.

Game works, but my impression has been that if you've only got game and nothing else going on in life, yeah you'll constantly fail in long-term relationships as sooner or later women will see your unresolved insecurities. Similar to how Mystery ended up in the hospital. Dude was a master at game, but a disaster at relationships. A lot of these PUA guys made the mistake of becoming financially successful because of pickup, and thus they becoming married to their ideas, never allowing themselves to evolve beyond. You can see this everywhere - people will rather die than give up on the idea that made them financially or professionally successful. Again, not to say game doesn't work - but if internally you're not right, your relationships won't last. To provide another resource, look up Pat Stedman, he has some interesting observations on the limitations of just using game:

http://patstedman.com/2017/06/29/who-needs-game/

This is a really good explanation, thanks for taking the time to respond. And the guys you listed are definitely good examples of men to follow.

Caleb's ideas, especially those laid out in his book the Unchained Male, have really resonated with me. The lifestyle he lays out is something I aspire to in the future. That said, I agree with you that something is off. Demonizing marriage so much is not constructive nor beneficial to our society. But guys like Caleb, who are staunch libertarians, have little regard for marriage as a religious and cultural institution and therefore have no qualms about seeing it fall.

He also says that Richard aka Gambler will get divorced raped, as if he was getting married in California, not Russia.

Post: #20

Quote:This shit needs to be taken down ASAP, whether or not the article is bullshit. Last thing you need is more incels flooding to Ukraine totaling ruining the market / ratio there.

Even if that one is taken down, according to this one, Ukraine could face an invasion of millions of surplus horny Chinamen:

Daily Mail Australia Wrote:Ugly and unsuccessful' man who amazed millions with his gorgeous Ukrainian wife sets up international dating club to help Asian bachelors find pretty European girlfriends

Chinese entrepreneur, Mei Aisi, became famous for his 'gorgeous' Ukrainian wife

He said people wouldn't believe a guy 'as ugly as' him could find a wife like that

The 35-year-old set up dating club after other men asked him for love advice

Deep-pocketed Chinese men fly to Kharkiv for monthly speed-dating events

The female members are as young as 17 and many are university students

An entrepreneur has set up a dating club to help 'exceptional' bachelors from the Far East find Ukrainian girlfriends through monthly speed-dating events.

China-born Kharkiv-based Mei Aisi, 35, became an internet sensation in his motherland after sharing pictures of his Ukrainian wife, Daria Mei, on social media platforms.

'Chinese people couldn't believe a guy as ugly and academically unsuccessful as me could have a gorgeous wife like that,' said Mr Mei, who moved to Ukraine in 2001 to look for a new life after failing his university entrance examination in China.

https://archive.fo/068C7

I remember the old thread on him a while back.

Post: #21

It goes to show you how much culture has changed.

We're bombarded by countless articles from women complaining they can't find a 'good man'. These women are always aging spinsters ('barren ghoul' will always be my all time favorite description) and fat/obese women, who when it comes down to it, are bitter that there is no 6'4 executive Chad Thundercock for them to settle down with. The whole Lena Dunham-Odell Beckham scenario was the perfect metaphor. Fat, obnoxious woman goes into fury when peak, much younger, athlete ignores her.

That a (what appears to be) fit and successful man prefers polite, attractive women over entitled, fat women of course shouldn't be controversial at all. Yet here we are.

Post: #22

(10-17-2017 11:00 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  This shit needs to be taken down ASAP, whether or not the article is bullshit.

Last thing you need is more incels flooding to Ukraine totaling ruining the market / ratio there.

It's already started with the Philippines with my player boss saying the girls are starting to get more savvy regarding their market values to foreigner. It's still good now but I dont expect it to last long.

While I agree with you, cheap and efficient flights are even more a factor in here. Last time I checked, I could get a return flight to Kiev from several european cities for less than 100$. Ten years ago, before the open sky agreement with EU came into effect, I paid 600$ for a return flight.

Post: #23

(10-18-2017 10:32 AM)CRR Wrote:  These women are always aging spinsters ('barren ghoul' will always be my all time favorite description)

I prefer Crypt Keeper.

Post: #24

(10-18-2017 10:59 AM)Selembao Wrote:  While I agree with you, cheap and efficient flights are even more a factor in here. Last time I checked, I could get a return flight to Kiev from several european cities for less than 100$. Ten years ago, before the open sky agreement with EU came into effect, I paid 600$ for a return flight.

Nobody cares if it's cheap if there's no reason to go there. Say if flights to Africa is Burundi is 10€ would you go there?

In contrast guys spend thousands on PUA bootcamps, what make you think they are afraid to spend double on airfare just to see un-obese women, let alone hot women? Shit that's how British men conquered the world.

@Rex: personally I wouldn't worry about the Chinese. Their game are absolutely horrible, and the guys who do have game usually do well enough in Asia. Asian guys love the idea of a white girlfriend, but MUH TRADITION ensures that most wouldn't want a white wife, or their tyrant mother wouldnt allow it.

There's much more about that Chinese guy that people think. First off he's nowhere near ugly, that's butthurt Chinese people screaming. He is certainly not handsome, but he has a good square jaw and is physically fit, not to mention quite tall for Chinese guys. He went over there young and hustle while going to college there and met his current wife. Dude is a clear hustler and if he treats business and women the same, he's got good game.

And let's not forget there's a fuckhuge element of luck here. Not to diminish him but there's game lottery too.

Again, Asian are bound by a lot of things and it's not like they can just go on a sexodus west. This shit is nowhere new. My uncle in Poland left Vietnam early, had lots of fun there, back at the time where you can pay a HB 9 to clean your room and fuck you for a salary. And yet no sexodus happened.

Post: #25

Gambler is a legend but blue pill like most PUA coaches.I never went the yank way pua wise instead I followed the Brits.Gambler, Jabba ,Krauser ,Torero.

Blackdragon does a good take down on him.I just can't believe Blackdragon meets good looking young chicks online at his age .I never seen it even from super good looking old guys from online.I've seen it from cold approach bar and street though.

I wish I could fly to EE all the time.I don't agree that all Brit girls are fat as Ive been fucking them since 1995.Brit girls have actually got alot fitter over the last 20 years.They are pussy cats for me .

I think Gamblers article is a money grab to get him more clients to pay for the wedding.Last I heard he was living in Sri Lanka or something with a sugar mummy?

Why would a Brit get married in Calf.I see no difference in his preference to EE like alot of dudes preference for SEA.Give me EE anyday