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Quote:Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill Friday that lowers from a felony to a misdemeanor the crime of knowingly exposing a sexual partner to HIV without disclosing the infection.

The measure also applies to those who give blood without telling the blood bank that they are HIV-positive.

Modern medicine allows those with HIV to live longer lives and nearly eliminates the possibility of transmission, according to state Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) and Assemblyman Todd Gloria (D-San Diego), authors of the bill.

“Today California took a major step toward treating HIV as a public health issue, instead of treating people living with HIV as criminals,” Wiener said in a statement. “HIV should be treated like all other serious infectious diseases, and that’s what SB 239 does.”

Supporters of the change said the current law requires an intent to transmit HIV to justify a felony, but others noted cases have been prosecuted where there was no physical contact, so there was an argument intent was lacking.

Brown declined to comment on his action.

HIV has been the only communicable disease for which exposure is a felony under California law. The current law, Wiener argued, may convince people not to be tested for HIV, because without a test they cannot be charged with a felony if they expose a partner to the infection.

“We are going to end new HIV infections, and we will do so not by threatening people with state prison time, but rather by getting people to test and providing them access to care,” Wiener said.

Supporters of the bill said women engaging in prostitution are disproportionately targeted with criminal charges, even in cases where the infection is not transmitted.

Republican lawmakers including Sen. Joel Anderson of Alpine voted against the bill, arguing it puts the public at risk.

“I’m of the mind that if you purposefully inflict another with a disease that alters their lifestyle the rest of their life, puts them on a regimen of medications to maintain any kind of normalcy, it should be a felony,” Anderson said during the floor debate. “It’s absolutely crazy to me that we should go light on this.”

Anderson said the answer could be to extend tougher penalties to those who expose others to other infectious diseases.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/politics/essentia...story.html

Are you fucking kidding me? May Wiener and Gloria get haunted by Eazy-E for this.

Now, let's talk about the cringefest of a Pandora's Box this bill unleashes.

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CA is now literally the most pozzed state in America.

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So much for visiting Cali next year...

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Charlie Sheen will be happy.

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State Sen. Scott Wiener looks pretty parenthetical.

He also looks to be riddled with AIDS.

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CaliHIVfornia

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Future Headlines:

"California Decriminalizes Pedophilia with Intergenerational Love Tolerance Act"
"University of California System Makes Same-Sex Experimentation Mandatory for Male Students Under New Gay Sensitivity Policy"
"California Legalizes Door-to-Door Rape Gangs, Renames Them to '#SameLove Tolerance Compliance Squads'"

I think there was a book that warned against the kinds of people who run California. It went a little like this...

Quote:Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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Please tell me that the land of fruits and nuts are also still serious in creating a Cali-exit. On another note, how can I help?

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As much as I dislike condoms it is shit like this that cements the decision to always wrap it up.

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The irony is almost too much to comprehend

https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/law...dered-rape

Quote:The Disturbing Act of Stealthing Should Be Illegal, Lawmakers Say Removing condoms during sex without consent is a form of sexual assault, say two lawmakers pushing for an anti-stealthing billBY DANIELLE ZICKL October 6, 2017

Quote:...Now, two U.S. representatives are pushing for this practice to be classified as rape, according to Buzzfeed News. On October 4, Ro Khanna and Carolyn Maloney, representatives from California and New York, respectively, sent a letter to the House Judiciary Committee in the hopes of addressing it.

Quote:,,,About six months ago, two lawmakers in Wisconsin and California also tried to tackle stealthing, introducing bills to change the definition of consent and rape to include interfering with condom usage without telling the other person. BuzzFeed reports that the California lawmaker said her bill failed to get enough votes to move forward.

I understand that we're talking federal vs. state reps, but the disconnect is still simply astounding. I'm not saying that "stealthing" as an acceptable practice, but to classify it is rape while KNOWINGLY infecting someone with HIV as a misdmeanor...I got nothing.

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The bill sponsor says all you need to know:

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What.....the......fuck....

Post: #14

If someone knowing transmits a permanent disease to someone it should be a felony, If someone is completely unaware of their HIV status and transmits the disease it should not be a felony because there is no intent. There is a big difference between getting diagnosed with HIV and going out and having sex without protection and not informing your sexual partner verses not knowing you have HIV and going out having sex with no protection unaware of your infection.

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Quote:The measure also applies to those who give blood without telling the blood bank that they are HIV-positive.

^ Ignore the rest. That's what the Communists are really after. They've been working to infect the blood supply for a few years now.

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(10-07-2017 01:10 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  If someone knowing transmits a permanent disease to someone it should be a felony, If someone is completely unaware of their HIV status and transmits the disease it should not be a felony because there is no intent. There is a big difference between getting diagnosed with HIV and going out and having sex without protection and not informing your sexual partner verses not knowing you have HIV and going out having sex with no protection unaware of your infection.

That's bull, because when those degenerates are having butt sex with dozens upon dozens of random strangers, chances are they are infected and they certainly know it. They could get checked for free but don't because they don't give a fuck and are addicted to their degeneracy.

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I stopped donating blood a while back in California, because there is so much phaggotry going on here that all it takes is one lab tech to "clear" blood that is infected just to get a demented high off making sure innocent people get sick. Bug chasing phaggotry is so disgusting and vile that the average straight man can't really wrap his head around it.

This, is who we are dealing with:

https://aidsetc.org/blog/bug-chasers-gay...e-analysis

Quote:Bug Chasers: Gay Men and the Intentional Pursuit of HIV - A Narrative Analysis

Imagine you are sitting down with a dear friend that you haven’t seen in years because he ran away from an unloving, unsupportive home, from a town where he was different, picked on, and knew he could never be safe - at least that is how he felt, - to a place where he would find love, and the supportive family he so dearly wanted. He discloses that he is gay and living with HIV infection. He says not to worry, that it’s ok, and then he says, “There’s more.” You feel your heart beat faster and time suspends. You imagine he is going to say he’s dying, but instead he speaks about HIV as a “gift” and you think you are hearing things. After what seems like an eternity, you say something like, “did I hear you say you got infected with HIV on purpose?” And the resounding but fuzzy answer is “yes, I got infected with HIV on purpose – they call me a bug chaser.“

Trying to contract HIV - the bug - on purpose is a phenomenon that received considerable attention following the release of a critically acclaimed and controversial documentary, The Gift (Hogarth, 2003), that chronicles the real story of Doug Hitzel who did just that. After repeatedly watching it, I decided to conduct a study founded on my own confusion. My resounding questions -- can it be that men intentionally want to become HIV positive? Are there really other men out there like Doug with stories of seeking HIV on purpose?

The bug chaser has a counterpart called the gift giver, the HIV positive man willing to share HIV infection (Reynolds, 2007). The bug chaser and gift giver partake in sexual practices that are pivotal to the spread of HIV. Research on this phenomenon is limited (Berg, 2009; Gauthier & Forsyth, 1999; Grov, 2004; Grov & Parsons, 2006; Moskowitz & Roloff, 2007a; Moskowitz & Roloff, 2007b).

It took less than 3 months for participants to answer my recruitment flyers -- they were eager to share their stories and I took pride in providing the platform. I worked with 18 wonderful men who, for several reasons, sought to contract the HIV virus on purpose. The age range for participants spanned several decades, from the youngest participant at age 33 years to the two oldest participants at age 61 years. Most (n=6) were between ages 46 and 50 years. The average age of the sample (N=18) was 48 years. Most of the 18 participants were self-identified as African American (n=15). One participant who identified himself as “other” was of mixed race (i.e., Italian and African American), one was Latino, and one was Caucasian. A majority of participants (n=10) lived below the HHS poverty level for a one-person household ($11,170). Here are a few of their stories (pseudonyms were chosen for each participant).

When you have discordant love, the desire for harmonious love is immense. Meet Sennet who describes a conversation with his HIV infected lover:

“And I said, ‘So?’ Then he said, ‘Are you alright with this?’ Then I said, ‘I love you! I don’t care! If I get it, I get it…you want to give it to me? You think I am going to leave? You think I am going bail on you? No, I’m not.’ And that was how it started.”
Meet Desiderius who was first raped by his older brother when he was only six, and then for many years later while he was incarcerated. He says; “And finally the rapes stopped.” His decision to seek HIV infection was easy – HIV positive men in prison are tarnished; “they won’t rape me anymore.” The Latin translation of Desiderius is “so long hoped for, craved and desired.” It is how I chose to describe this participant.

For some gay men religion can cause much confusion and influence drastic actions. Karan (Sanskrit for warrior), told a sad story about being barred from his church:

“The church that I was a member of threw me out when they found that I was gay. I am not unique… there are a lot of people like me; they might not go as far as I did, but I’m not unique. Having HIV is not the worst thing that could have happened… it brought me to a better place spiritually.”
Getting HIV would mean he would die for his sin – drawing analogies to God "dying for our sins.” Karan was sure contracting HIV would make him “holy.”

And then there’s Thornton (old English for “in from the thorns”). Messages from Catholic high school about homosexuality might have set the foundation for his addictions, both sex and drugs. He described the foundation of these challenges: “I am angry and disappointed, I did everything that I could to change my sexual identification.” He is still troubled by his past and the turmoil that led to the acceptance of his sexual identity. He describes himself as having, “just little bit of self-hatred, and anger with God.” Thornton denied any regrets for contracting HIV. As long as his HIV infection does not cause him to end up in diapers, he says he will not worry. Guilt drives much of his thinking. Thornton makes connections to his life now, and those of young gay boys addicted to the party scene, who are also addicted to sex. In admitting his intentional HIV pursuit, Thornton also claims, “Nowadays, I deserve this if anybody does, not just a 19-year-old kid.”

Understanding bug chasing requires understanding life beyond the mainstream and suspending judgment. The decision to deliberately seek HIV infection cannot fully be explained by conventional or rational choice modeling. Even though the bug-chaser/gift-giver relationship does not promote physical health, healthcare providers cannot ignore their professional duty to treat these men with compassion and understanding. The reasons for their intention, behavior, and search for identity remain fundamentally misunderstood (Dean, 2009). To the bug chaser, securing HIV may be a rite of passage into a fraternal community from which one can never be exiled (Dean, 2008). It is impossible to share all of what I learned through my research, but the highlights are resounding; men do indeed seek to contract HIV infection as the answer for many of life’s challenges. There is still so much more to learn, and my doctoral research was an attempt to understand. For all of the men, a sense of belonging was inherent to being HIV positive. I discovered that their wish to be HIV positive completely vanquished their wish to remain HIV negative. The desire for love, to belong, to fit in, no matter the peripheral influences, only skim the surface of how deeply influential societal views are for gay men. Conflicted societal beliefs, stigma, and a host of other reasons changed these men. The problem was not HIV; rather, the greater problem was navigating HIV and navigating society as a gay man. I have come to believe that seeking HIV was simply a prolonged, disguised reaction to wanting what all human’s want- to be loved and accepted, at least in these cases.

The “gift” as described by Doug Hitzel in the documentary, “pulls you in because it seems like the biggest box. In a whole room of presents, it’s got the best bow, it’s got the best ribbon, and it looks like the biggest and the funnest [sic], and you open it up and it’s like a big ball of nothing and it just sucks all the life from you.” At the end of the documentary Doug shares, “I just can’t believe that it seemed like a livable thing to me—there was no benefit in this [bug chasing]—and that’s just what really needs to be said.”

Shockingly, the phaggot to make this "documentary" admits that bug chasing is disgusting and without merit. The problem with phaggots is that many of them realize that they are sick in the head, but they are waiting for heterosexuals to give them a metaphorical spanking. Like unchecked children and women, they get more emotional and act out even more when they are indulged. Bug chasing is just an end-game response to the lack of the Church and Society saying "no" to phaggotry. It is a failed shit test writ large.

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How the fuck do bills like this get passed? Who in their right mind could possibly look at this and say, "yeah that sounds right"

Meanwhile every little fucking word that Trump says is micro-analyzed and run through multiple trigger-generators like it's Hitler come back to life.

Fuck this shit.

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(10-07-2017 03:32 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  How the fuck do bills like this get passed? Who in their right mind could possibly look at this and say, "yeah that sounds right"

Meanwhile every little fucking word that Trump says is micro-analyzed and run through multiple trigger-generators like it's Hitler come back to life.

Fuck this shit.

Your problem is that you're approaching this with a rational mind. Step out of the rational mind with things like "the harm principle" and all of this makes sense. We are dealing with mentally ill people, known as phaggots. For many years, shrinks rightly declared homosexuality as a perversion and a mental illness. It wasn't until the pozzed up phaggots applied tremendous pressure did the classification change from "mental illness" to "lifestyle choice".

Everything is rational when you view it through the eyes of the mentally ill.

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Not being required to disclose HIV status before unprotected sex seems crazy enough, but for some reason this bill doesn't surprise me. I've heard murmorings of making HIV the new civil rights issue.

But not having to disclose HIV status for the purposes of donating blood? Surely that was a typing error.

And I guess they will say that with modern antiretroviral therapy there is no detectable viral load in their blood. And that screening processes are sufficiently rigorous to prevent HIV transmission through blood transfusions.

But why take the fucking risk? We're talking about transfusing blood from an HIV positive individual into an HIV negative individual. Are they really so sure that there is no risk there at all? It only takes one mistake in the lab to potentially ruin dozens of lives.

Ah, but who cares. HIV is no longer a death sentence and carriers can now lead long, fulfilling lives. So it's no big deal if a few unfortunate souls end up with an incurable disease - it only costs the taxpayer roughly $20000 per year for antiretroviral drugs.

And all this so a bunch of AIDS fags can feel good about donating their diseased blood to save sick children.

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(10-07-2017 03:32 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  How the fuck do bills like this get passed? Who in their right mind could possibly look at this and say, "yeah that sounds right"

Meanwhile every little fucking word that Trump says is micro-analyzed and run through multiple trigger-generators like it's Hitler come back to life.

Fuck this shit.

It kind of reminds me of that one Bail bill SB 10 in California where it allowed criminals in the Black and the Hispanic communities to get out of jail without having to post a bail.

So they want criminals to get out of jail without any repurcussions.

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Criminals (illegal aliens, gang bangers, financial conmen, etc) comprise at least 20% of the Democrats electorate. They are appealing to their base with laws like this. I am being perfectly serious. Criminals form the backbone of the DNC. Look at Debbie Wasserman and her Awan brother pals. These people are scum to the core. Voting scum put them in office, and the scum is repaying the favors by dishing out laws in favor of shoring up their fellow scumbags. There is no hope for California, Illinois, New York, etc. Any sane person needs to have an exit plan and execute it sooner rather than later.

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(10-07-2017 01:05 PM)Poker Wrote:  What.....the......fuck....

This might be the only situation in history where the phrase "What the actual fuck" is appropriate.

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This is going to be one of those centrepiece stories I keep in the mental vault to remind me when the killing starts of why it's alright to keep going until it's properly done and finished.