Post: #26

I don't know how you guys can sit through more than one episode. Watched the first one and was hoping they'd tone down the SJW crap, and of course the opposite happened which is why I had to turn it off half way through the 2nd. Even my girl was disgusted and we were surprised how he's getting away with blatantly copying Star Trek to such an extent.

Anyway, it won't be renewed as the RT rating is 20%. Another social justice money hole to be added to this year's roster. I'm loving this as I basically get to watch Hollywood slowly consume itself.

Post: #27

You guys confuse me.

It doesn't get any more alpha than this.

Post: #28

Not sure where the bad ratings are coming from. The show consistently has a 7/10 on IMDB and TV.com. RT has an audience score of 89%.

The past episode with the female being forced to a male against the wishes of everyone was interesting. Slightly funny, a better star trek to be honest.

The show really just needs to be cast in the star trek universe, I almost half expect the star trek them music to start. Warner Brothers would never release their copyrights like that.

If you didn't like Star Trek TNG, you probably won't like Orville. It's just Macfarlene living a dream of his.

Post: #29

3 episodes in to The Orville and it's already a better Star Trek show than Discovery is shaping up to be. This obsession with grimdarking everything is getting tiring. The Orville feels more like TNG without a stick up its ass. While sometimes it doesn't always work - and in one scene deflated the drama a bit - the joking around makes the characters feel like they are actual people.

The SJW stuff is quite mild, based on this thread I was expecting some DS9 Ferenghi female liberation level bullshit.

Nope. Sure, you have a super strong female character whose race is from a high gravity world. I can live with that. Gives the crybaby female nerds a strong female character while making it believable she could hold her own in a fight. Female nerds are more scared of their weakness compared to men than regular girls, so they gravitate towards these characters. And when she is left in command and there is an emergency she crumbles under the pressure. So she's not a Mary Sue. Which is refreshing in sci-fi these days.

The female baby episode was handled far far better than the TNG gender episodes.

There were more male characters than other sci-fi shows would get away with today. This show is way more watchable than shows like Stargate Atlantis or the Battlestar Galactica reboot.

Post: #30

I agree with NightVale, it's basically a lighter-hearted version of Star Trek TNG.

Superstrength is much less jarring than unexplained arsekicking ability and she was far from a mary sue in the captain's chair.

Post: #31

(09-24-2017 10:41 AM)NightVale Wrote:  3 episodes in to The Orville and it's already a better Star Trek show than Discovery is shaping up to be. This obsession with grimdarking everything is getting tiring. The Orville feels more like TNG without a stick up its ass. While sometimes it doesn't always work - and in one scene deflated the drama a bit - the joking around makes the characters feel like they are actual people.

The SJW stuff is quite mild, based on this thread I was expecting some DS9 Ferenghi female liberation level bullshit.

Nope. Sure, you have a super strong female character whose race is from a high gravity world. I can live with that. Gives the crybaby female nerds a strong female character while making it believable she could hold her own in a fight. Female nerds are more scared of their weakness compared to men than regular girls, so they gravitate towards these characters. And when she is left in command and there is an emergency she crumbles under the pressure. So she's not a Mary Sue. Which is refreshing in sci-fi these days.

The female baby episode was handled far far better than the TNG gender episodes.

There were more male characters than other sci-fi shows would get away with today. This show is way more watchable than shows like Stargate Atlantis or the Battlestar Galactica reboot.

Thanks for this assessment. I laughed a bit with it being TNG without a stick up its ass. Very very true.

I also like the addition of their doctor. She's the dry comic relief that TNG didn't have and desperately needed. Essentially she's Bones if he played his role on TNG.

Post: #32

The fuck?
Do they normally play the national anthem after airing an episode...?

Post: #33

The Orville is surprisingly good - a little bit of a slow start with the Pilot episode, 2nd was good but not spectacular, but the 3rd episode was not at all what I expected, in a good way. I'd say give it a shot if you aren't watching already.

Post: #34

So is Orville similar to Galaxy Quest?

Post: #35

Not really.
It's more like if a comedian trekkie made his own version of star trek.

Post: #36

Galaxy Quest was more "situational" humor (normal people in extraordinary circumstances leading to funny moments for the audience but not the players), while Orville is more "observational" humor (normal people making quips/jokes about situations and things around them).

Also, don't imagine the Orville is a laugh-a-minute sitcom - I think the network kinda tried to sell it as such, but its a fairly serious show with a sprinkling of humor, which I think is a good mix. It toned down considerably from the Pilot to Ep. 3.

Definitions are my own, YMMV.

Post: #37

(09-26-2017 08:07 PM)Long Haired Samson Wrote:  So is Orville similar to Galaxy Quest?

If you removed the jokes, the satire, the charismatic cast (minus Tim Allen) bringing its A-Game, and the good-natured mockery of its own fanbase then... no... it still wouldn't be 'Galaxy Quest', a movie which is funny enough to make someone like me, who doesn't like Star Trek, laugh at it.

It's just Uninspirational Star Trek.

Here's a good example of it being Uninspirational. Can you imagine meeting your would-be Military Commander, with him explaining his Guiding Hero as a Leader is Kermit the Frog, and not instantly losing all respect for his authority and thinking "We're all going to fucking die?"

The whole speech struck me as Bad Game. The kind of pre-rehearsed corny, cutesy, inherently-false shtick a 'Nice Guy' would run on a girl of limited-intelligence. If I had a brain and a vagina, it would instantly-dry up.

Note, however, my personality type and McFarlane's are in direct opposition to each other - I can't help but find his bullshit triggering and contemptible - whereas your mileage may vary.

Post: #38

'Discovery' rated 9.5 million, projected to go to 15 million with a week's time-shifted viewing.

'The Orville' Eps 1, 2, 3: 8.5 million; 6.6 million; 4 million. I didn't watch the third episode because I'm uninterested in watching kind of allegorical transgender debate, pro or con, so the ratings for the next episode should be telling if others are as burnt out as I am.

Post: #39

(09-27-2017 11:18 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  'Discovery' rated 9.5 million, projected to go to 15 million with a week's time-shifted viewing.

'The Orville' Eps 1, 2, 3: 8.5 million; 6.6 million; 4 million. I didn't watch the third episode because I'm uninterested in watching kind of allegorical transgender debate, pro or con, so the ratings for the next episode should be telling if others are as burnt out as I am.

The Orville lost viewers because many expected a comedy from MacFarlane, not a drama.

Post: #40

(09-22-2017 04:56 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I'm really confused by the Legality of it, and have no idea how it's allowed on the air, since it's an outright theft of someone else's intellectual property, and I don't see it as funny enough to be considered a parody of Star Trek, the way something like this was:

It's just 'Star Trek' with the names sanded off and replaced.

As a creator, this worries me. It's the sort of thing you expect from the Asian Countries where they don't believe in Intellectual Property.

"Scenes a fair," my friend. Google it, and then tell me what original elements of Star Trek the Orville is copying. Explorers on a ship? Wearing uniforms? Aliens? Or better yet, which ST episode has the Orville copied so far?

Babylon 5 copied some of Star Trek, and then Deep Space Nine copied Babylon 5, and so on, and so on.

Post: #41

(09-25-2017 02:33 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  I agree with NightVale, it's basically a lighter-hearted version of Star Trek TNG.

Superstrength is much less jarring than unexplained arsekicking ability and she was far from a mary sue in the captain's chair.

The super strength was handled well (much preferred to small females kicking men's asses for no reason at all). I disagree on the Mary Sue commander thing. She fell apart and tried to quit multiple times IN PRIVATE but rather kicked ass every time it mattered. It was kind of "have your cake and eat it too", not only does your (admitted) affirmative action hire have all the mental breakdowns we've come to expect, even though she is so obviously weak and unsuited to the task, she'll come through 100% when it matters.

The subtext. "When they promote some girl fresh out of college over more experienced/qualified people, even if she is obviously unprepared for her role and frequently crying in the bathroom, you don't know anything, she's going to kick ass anyway. No matter how obvious it is our cultural marxism hire is a trainwreck, shut your mouth, she's going to be awesome when it counts.

Post: #42

If you want a straight comedy version of star trek, may I recommend Hyperdrive.

Post: #43

I like this comedy version of Star Trek:

Post: #44

Episode 7 the voting episode was really good. Basically they went to earth like society where voting and video capture from cell phones determined if you committed a crime. Of course one member breaks a taboo, is forced to go on talk shows like the view. He makes his situation worse by not saying the right things and is sentenced to be lobotomized. They save him by making influencing the public with fake history of his past which would endear him.

Post: #45

(09-24-2017 09:27 AM)Suits Wrote:  You guys confuse me.

It doesn't get any more alpha than this.

OMG. I just realized something.

Seth is manspreading.

Post: #46

Just read a few minutes ago FOX picked it up for season 2.

Post: #47

The likeable doctor is now a single mother by choice (couldn't find a good man) and they behave terribly. She kills a potentially good character who has her locked up for her protection and cucks the robot guy.

Post: #48

Actually aside from the clear Blue Pill Beta stuff embedded in Seth McFarlane's personality - the Orville is a show that is made by a liberal, but stops short at the SJW madness out there.

You have an episode about the idiocy of gender-surgery and you have an episode where they poked fun at the madness of social media and a world where any action can cause you to be lobotomized. This is a world that is very similar to ours already since celebs and even everyday Joes can lose their jobs and their lives just after one sentence uttered in a drunken stupor.


(Probably should not be outing myself as a neckbeard, but too late)

I might also add one thing:

The Orville has a Rotten Tomatoes critics rating of 20% and a viewer rating of 90%.

The STD Star Trek Black Mary Sue Discovery crapfest has a critics rating above 75% and a viewer rating around 50%.

The Orville very likely is getting a second or third season while the STD monstrosity probably gets AIDS and dies quickly. I get it that it's not our kind of cup of tea to see the Blue Pill manifested, but I see this Seth McFarlane character ever more as an old-school liberal Democrat who is just too seeped in the Blue Pill state. Back in the day you could talk with those guys. They poke too much fun at the SJW crowd and even at Family guy he does this to an extent. So the SJW buck stops for him at a certain level while shows like Discovery go forward where no Social Justice Borg has gone before.

Also - as for ratings - Orville's are improving even while having been given a worse time slot:

Quote:TV Ratings: ‘The Orville’ Hits Highest Ratings Since Week 2

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/the-orvi...202600964/

It is a show with only a fraction of the STD's budget and thus needs far less to satisfy the studio.

Post: #49

It's great to watch a modern series that doesn't have misery guts as its premise and you won't find a bigger fan of BSG than me on this forum.

I remember (and agree) a poster on a somewhat related thread came here saying that he doesn't watch modern entertainment like Mad Men or Breaking Bad because its all about elevating our flaws and not about telling a story about the bold and beautiful, i.e decent people elevating/trying to do better, instead of descending into a pit of hell in their wallowing/insecurities and just generally unnecessarily miserable cunts.

This is a good antidote to all that.

Seth McFarlane is friendly with Rush Limbaugh after he appeared on Family Guy and contacted him when he had a heart attack in 2010, and has had James Woods on time and time again. I think its worn off on him, you wouldn't do that if you were a SJW automaton.

https://www.salon.com/2013/02/25/seth_ma...the_media/

Post: #50

(11-02-2017 10:51 PM)kbell Wrote:  The likeable doctor is now a single mother by choice (couldn't find a good man) and they behave terribly. She kills a potentially good character who has her locked up for her protection and cucks the robot guy.

I enjoyed the dynamic between the robot and the kids, the shuttle scene is funnier than anything I've seen on family guy without being at all forced.

I did find it jarring she killed someone who was getting her medicine, and then a few hours later, she tells her boys to set to stun because all life is sacred.

(11-04-2017 02:59 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Actually aside from the clear Blue Pill Beta stuff embedded in Seth McFarlane's personality - the Orville is a show that is made by a liberal, but stops short at the SJW madness out there.

You have an episode about the idiocy of gender-surgery and you have an episode where they poked fun at the madness of social media and a world where any action can cause you to be lobotomized. This is a world that is very similar to ours already since celebs and even everyday Joes can lose their jobs and their lives just after one sentence uttered in a drunken stupor. ...

This, you can be a leftie without being an SJW idiot. I'm liking the episodes so far.