Post: #26

History has the answer to the EU and its just a question of when it happens and if people are going to like the end results or not. My money is on the result being terrible.

Post: #27

It doesn't really get many attention on this forum but tensions are rising in Catalunya, in which many people want independence from Spain. IF they become independent (not so likely), this can give precedence to other regions and how the EU treats those.

Post: #28

(09-23-2017 01:07 PM)Lime Wrote:  It doesn't really get many attention on this forum but tensions are rising in Catalunya, in which many people want independence from Spain. IF they become independent (not so likely), this can give precedence to other regions and how the EU treats those.

Catalonia perfectly reveals the hypocrisy of the globalists.

When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

The reason is obvious: Spain is open borders, and Hungary and Poland are not. As a result, Spain being a dictatorship is forgiven, but democratic Hungary and Poland resisting the One World Order is seen as a mortal threat.

This proves without a doubt that the EU gives zero fucks about the quality of life of it's inhabitants, but simply wants to destroy the nation states within through mass immigration.

Post: #29

Say what you guys will about the corruption of the European Nation state, but if Europe were to suddenly just fall apart, you'd all be worse off with China running the show. You all think it's going to be cute Asian girls wearing silly dresses until they institute a race-based discrimination system that makes your kids and grandkids into literal serfs.

Post: #30

(09-23-2017 08:33 PM)Fortis Wrote:  Say what you guys will about the corruption of the European Nation state, but if Europe were to suddenly just fall apart, you'd all be worse off with China running the show. You all think it's going to be cute Asian girls wearing silly dresses until they institute a race-based discrimination system that makes your kids and grandkids into literal serfs.

Why if Europe fall apart would China be "running the show" or control the sovereignty of Euro nations? What on earth are you talking about?

If Europe fall apart, then the independently elected governments of Europe would be apart to make decisions about their country themselves as opposed to Marxist Merkel, Brussels and Soros.

Post: #31

(09-21-2017 09:38 AM)mensch Wrote:  and it got me thinking, that perhaps there is a point there: perhaps some forms of the nation state are dead and that the European blob is so advanced in its ideological fight, and has sustained itself through such a crisis that is might be a tenable solution for Europe. Tenable as in, one that 'works'.

Now here's a hot take: good riddance. The mono-ethnic national state is one that invariably will cause injustice within and tension without if your 'ethnicity' is a random grouping of a dozen million people who look largely the same as the next group over

Firstly, you are a native german speaker I assume, and your grammar is crazy sophisticated, so... bravo and I say this in an empathic tone, could you please use commas, punctuation of full-stops, and perhaps a tad more proof-reading before you post, because your written english sounds like you vomited words after one too many bratwursts from DW.

Secondly, you make assertions and "frame" your statement which show your subjective opinion...

(09-21-2017 09:38 AM)mensch Wrote:  mono-ethnic national state is one that invariably will cause injustice

Is there any science or truth in that grandiose statement of yours Mr. Soros-lite?

(09-21-2017 09:38 AM)mensch Wrote:  and just happen to speak 'the best language' and bake the 'best cake' and have the 'best national traditions'. So perhaps it's fitting that it evolves into something else. Something closer to the American model. We should work within this something else to steer it into the right direction, not blow it up.

Thoughts?

What you are doing is thinking like a globalist, who wants to destroy your own culture to appease minorities. Very typical of Germans. You are cucks who hate yourselves.

A real man who has any respect to his ancestors will say:
- German language may or may not be the "best" language, but it's how we are successfully alive today and it's our heritage so let's preserve our culture.
- German cake may or may not be the "best" cake, but it's how we are successfully alive today and it's our heritage so let's preserve our culture.
- German national traditions may or may not be the "best" national traditions, but it's how we are successfully alive today and it's our heritage so let's preserve our culture.

Also, shock-horrow and newsflash! ... But the fact is this "German culture" which is so criticised by Germans, has actually become the most powerful culture in Europe... you guys have created an economy in a way that British, French, Spanish and Italians haven't... hmmmmm... I don't understand how you can you be so pussy whilst possessing such power?

Post: #32

I'm interested to know if OP thinks that Israel should generically brown itself, submit to reducing it's Jewish population per capita to .2 percent (Jews as a percentage of world population) and accept all cultural changes such an alteration would bring.

Better yet, surely Israel should become part of a Middle-eastern Union, wherein the Jews would become a bitch-state to the Arab/Muslim voting blocs.

Post: #33

(09-24-2017 02:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm interested to know if OP thinks that Israel should generically brown itself, submit to reducing it's Jewish population per capita to .2 percent (Jews as a percentage of world population) and accept all cultural changes such an alteration would bring.

Better yet, surely Israel should become part of a Middle-eastern Union, wherein the Jews would become a bitch-state to the Arab/Muslim voting blocs.

Why do many people keep insisting Jews are a monolith and Israel is united?

There's not a big difference between many mizrahis and many arabs. I don't understand why so many on here refuse to acknowledge the racialized element of politics and its importance of the nation state from an ethnic perspective. I hate the typical urbanite NY Jew,even more so being from that background as much as everyone else but I know that they won't rob or mug me , unlike black or MENA Jews.

Post: #34

Israel has suffered just as much if not more so from globalist Jews. Someone should compare the amount of Jews there in the 60's with blue eyes to now lolz.

Post: #35

(09-23-2017 06:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 01:07 PM)Lime Wrote:  It doesn't really get many attention on this forum but tensions are rising in Catalunya, in which many people want independence from Spain. IF they become independent (not so likely), this can give precedence to other regions and how the EU treats those.

Catalonia perfectly reveals the hypocrisy of the globalists.

When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

The reason is obvious: Spain is open borders, and Hungary and Poland are not. As a result, Spain being a dictatorship is forgiven, but democratic Hungary and Poland resisting the One World Order is seen as a mortal threat.

This proves without a doubt that the EU gives zero fucks about the quality of life of it's inhabitants, but simply wants to destroy the nation states within through mass immigration.

Wrong , Independent Catalonia and Scotland would still have to wait in line to rejoin the EU. Personalities matter as much as politics. Junker has a working relationship with Orban even though they both hate each other. EU money is doing more harm than good anyways hurting local markets in favor of lidl or tesco. PL and HU would loose that money eventually as they want to slow down the liberalization that only benefited western companies. Blaming the EU is easy, blaming the retarded westerners who don't see the importance of identity is more important.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...-europeans


lololololzzzzzz.

Germany and Austria today by telling its Jewish peoples (mostly from the FSU) to fuck off is a good example of this. Now they will all vote for the FPÖ or AfD , not because of the EU ,but because of their swpl neighbors.

Post: #36

"My theory is that it's less the layers between leader and voter and more the absolute size that affects it."

Maybe not the size in and of itself, but the type of people that can affect policy. But since having an elite of prequalified and carefully recruited men to lead western Nations is not going to happen any time soon,
(In fact I think all of Western civilization would have to collapse and something new re-emerge for that to happen.) the second best option is to have an all encompassing voting right within the confines of smaller autonomous regions. That way you limit the amount of damage that one government or ruling body and achieve.

You can of course have large, centrally controlled Nations/empires like modern day China, that are being led by a small group of mostly elite men. But then you will have to use more coercion and forced conformity, and freedom will suffer greatly.

Post: #37

(09-23-2017 06:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Catalonia perfectly reveals the hypocrisy of the globalists.

When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

The reason is obvious: Spain is open borders, and Hungary and Poland are not. As a result, Spain being a dictatorship is forgiven, but democratic Hungary and Poland resisting the One World Order is seen as a mortal threat.

This proves without a doubt that the EU gives zero fucks about the quality of life of it's inhabitants, but simply wants to destroy the nation states within through mass immigration.

Post: #38

(09-24-2017 09:58 AM)Nowak Wrote:  Israel has suffered just as much if not more so from globalist Jews. Someone should compare the amount of Jews there in the 60's with blue eyes to now lolz.

How ungrateful of you, Israel wouldn't even exist without globalist Jews.



Perhaps they should have stepped up their "health programs" to insure that even fewer brown eyed people survived?

Post: #39

(09-23-2017 06:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 01:07 PM)Lime Wrote:  It doesn't really get many attention on this forum but tensions are rising in Catalunya, in which many people want independence from Spain. IF they become independent (not so likely), this can give precedence to other regions and how the EU treats those.

Catalonia perfectly reveals the hypocrisy of the globalists.

When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

The reason is obvious: Spain is open borders, and Hungary and Poland are not. As a result, Spain being a dictatorship is forgiven, but democratic Hungary and Poland resisting the One World Order is seen as a mortal threat.

This proves without a doubt that the EU gives zero fucks about the quality of life of it's inhabitants, but simply wants to destroy the nation states within through mass immigration.

I find it strange that a lot of people here as well as in other forums are applauding Cataluña's attempt to secede from Spain. You guys are aware that the Catalans are most likely the most Marxist and feminist population in all of Europe? They are the ones who are actively lobbying to increase Islamic migration into Cataluña (and thus all of Spain) and their policies are basically in line with most Antifa groups here in Europe as well as the United States. A vast majority of Catalans believe in globalism and want women to dominate the political process, they demand strict quotas for women in business and public office. An increasing number of Catalan woman look like this:



I'm not sure why Spain protecting its sovereign territory is considered dictatorial in any form or fashion. I've lived here over five years now but somehow never realized that I was living in a dictatorship. Hardly anyone abides by the law here and petty crime flourishes as it is rarely punished.

Let's be serious guys. What if California or Texas would want to hold a referendum to leave the U.S.? Would you truly want this to happen, all joking about CA aside? Would you consider Trump a dictator for enforcing U.S. law, e.g. in the case of sanctuary cities?

I'm usually in sync with your political views Samseau but on this one I just do not understand where you're coming from. Perhaps you may not completely appreciate the realities on the ground here in Spain. Catalans are arrogant Marxist assholes and if they are allowed to leave Spain then they will turn their region into a major entry port for increased Islamic invasion. They need to be put in their place and their secession movement smashed, and if need be with force.

Post: #40

I am of the opinion that America worked because of three main reasons:

1: It was inherently a de-centralized Federal Government. The joke was that the only Federal Employee that people knew was their local mailman. As the Federal Government creeped into our lives the decline started. FDR's administration is where I peg the beginning of the decline.

2: The States were obviously English colonies and embodied the English culture. All states embodies that form of Government in one form or another. Even add-ons from France (Louisiana), and Spain(Florida), evolved to something more similar than what you see in other colonies from France and Spain. Former Mexico Territory like CA were basically "re-province" into the states that we know now.

3: People came here because they wanted to live under the Government that the constitution embodied, and basically Americanize themselves, and they were let in judiciously either by consent of Customs, or Ellis Island. We cant say that the people who are entering the US are under the same scrutiny, nor have the same motives.

The EU is basically the opposite from what I am seeing on the sidelines. It appears to me that the EU is a centralized government, trying to control a bunch of distinctively different states, that have never really gotten along. Why anyone thinks that France is willing to take orders from Britain or Germany given the history of the three nations is beyond me. The EU is doomed to fail as Yugoslavia was doomed to fail. Few people have written more eloquently on the subject of a doomed EU more than Mark Steyn.

Post: #41

I think re: Catalan that people want to see it secede simply because it weakens the EU.

The very idea of such a revolt inside the EU will be anathema to Brussels, particularly if it results in a far more right wing Spain.

We're not thinking Jefferson here. We're thinking Joker.

Post: #42

(09-25-2017 06:36 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 06:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 01:07 PM)Lime Wrote:  It doesn't really get many attention on this forum but tensions are rising in Catalunya, in which many people want independence from Spain. IF they become independent (not so likely), this can give precedence to other regions and how the EU treats those.

Catalonia perfectly reveals the hypocrisy of the globalists.

When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

The reason is obvious: Spain is open borders, and Hungary and Poland are not. As a result, Spain being a dictatorship is forgiven, but democratic Hungary and Poland resisting the One World Order is seen as a mortal threat.

This proves without a doubt that the EU gives zero fucks about the quality of life of it's inhabitants, but simply wants to destroy the nation states within through mass immigration.

I find it strange that a lot of people here as well as in other forums are applauding Cataluña's attempt to secede from Spain. You guys are aware that the Catalans are most likely the most Marxist and feminist population in all of Europe? They are the ones who are actively lobbying to increase Islamic migration into Cataluña (and thus all of Spain) and their policies are basically in line with most Antifa groups here in Europe as well as the United States. A vast majority of Catalans believe in globalism and want women to dominate the political process, they demand strict quotas for women in business and public office. An increasing number of Catalan woman look like this:



I'm not sure why Spain protecting its sovereign territory is considered dictatorial in any form or fashion. I've lived here over five years now but somehow never realized that I was living in a dictatorship. Hardly anyone abides by the law here and petty crime flourishes as it is rarely punished.

Let's be serious guys. What if California or Texas would want to hold a referendum to leave the U.S.? Would you truly want this to happen, all joking about CA aside? Would you consider Trump a dictator for enforcing U.S. law, e.g. in the case of sanctuary cities?

I'm usually in sync with your political views Samseau but on this one I just do not understand where you're coming from. Perhaps you may not completely appreciate the realities on the ground here in Spain. Catalans are arrogant Marxist assholes and if they are allowed to leave Spain then they will turn their region into a major entry port for increased Islamic invasion. They need to be put in their place and their secession movement smashed, and if need be with force.

Can you quote a line where I defended Catalonia? I only pointed out the hypocrisy of the EU.

As for whether or not Catalonia leaves Spain does not concern me in the slightest. It seems to me both Spain and Catalonia's politics are virtually identical, open borders bullshit. Catalonia is Communist vs. Spain's socialism, etc, who cares?

Post: #43

(09-25-2017 11:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Can you quote a line where I defended Catalonia? I only pointed out the hypocrisy of the EU.

I was specifically responding to this comment:

Quote:When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

It's possible that I misunderstood you, it sounded to me that you were criticizing Spain's tactics aimed at regaining control over Cataluña and prevent further steps leading to secession.

Post: #44

(09-25-2017 09:34 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I think re: Catalan that people want to see it secede simply because it weakens the EU.

The very idea of such a revolt inside the EU will be anathema to Brussels, particularly if it results in a far more right wing Spain.

We're not thinking Jefferson here. We're thinking Joker.

I see it as the opposite, Catalonia seceding strengthens the EU, by braking the strong, historic nation-state of Spain. Along with France, Germany, Italy and the UK, Spain is the building block of Europe. If you break those countries up, then European monetary, trade, immigration, foreign and military policies policies are all going to be completely run from Brussels, as opposed to Madrid, Paris or Rome.

Post: #45

(09-25-2017 12:53 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 11:43 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Can you quote a line where I defended Catalonia? I only pointed out the hypocrisy of the EU.

I was specifically responding to this comment:

Quote:When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

It's possible that I misunderstood you, it sounded to me that you were criticizing Spain's tactics aimed at regaining control over Cataluña and prevent further steps leading to secession.

Being authoritarian isn't a criticism. Sometimes it is justified. Lincoln was authoritarian, and I think he did the right thing. The only way to know for sure if heavy handed measures are worthwhile is after the fact: "ye shall know them by their fruits," if the authoritarian measures do not produce good results we can conclude it was bad and evil, but if the opposite we can conclude the opposite.

Real politik.

Post: #46

(09-25-2017 06:36 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 06:22 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 01:07 PM)Lime Wrote:  It doesn't really get many attention on this forum but tensions are rising in Catalunya, in which many people want independence from Spain. IF they become independent (not so likely), this can give precedence to other regions and how the EU treats those.

Catalonia perfectly reveals the hypocrisy of the globalists.

When a nation like Spain uses authoritarian crackdowns against dissidents to preserve control, the globalists are dead quiet. But when Hungary or Poland maintain their sovereignty, the full weight of the EU is brought down on them.

The reason is obvious: Spain is open borders, and Hungary and Poland are not. As a result, Spain being a dictatorship is forgiven, but democratic Hungary and Poland resisting the One World Order is seen as a mortal threat.

This proves without a doubt that the EU gives zero fucks about the quality of life of it's inhabitants, but simply wants to destroy the nation states within through mass immigration.

I find it strange that a lot of people here as well as in other forums are applauding Cataluña's attempt to secede from Spain. You guys are aware that the Catalans are most likely the most Marxist and feminist population in all of Europe? They are the ones who are actively lobbying to increase Islamic migration into Cataluña (and thus all of Spain) and their policies are basically in line with most Antifa groups here in Europe as well as the United States. A vast majority of Catalans believe in globalism and want women to dominate the political process, they demand strict quotas for women in business and public office. An increasing number of Catalan woman look like this:



I'm not sure why Spain protecting its sovereign territory is considered dictatorial in any form or fashion. I've lived here over five years now but somehow never realized that I was living in a dictatorship. Hardly anyone abides by the law here and petty crime flourishes as it is rarely punished.

Let's be serious guys. What if California or Texas would want to hold a referendum to leave the U.S.? Would you truly want this to happen, all joking about CA aside? Would you consider Trump a dictator for enforcing U.S. law, e.g. in the case of sanctuary cities?

I'm usually in sync with your political views Samseau but on this one I just do not understand where you're coming from. Perhaps you may not completely appreciate the realities on the ground here in Spain. Catalans are arrogant Marxist assholes and if they are allowed to leave Spain then they will turn their region into a major entry port for increased Islamic invasion. They need to be put in their place and their secession movement smashed, and if need be with force.

Well if the Catalans really got their independence, which I agree is unlikely, it would be a great way of demonstrating all the failings and the unsustainability of Marxism. (Not it that needs to be proven once more, but some people never learn.)
I`m a big believer in a real `live and let live` political system, where you allow for different forms of economic and political doctrines to exist side by side. Having smaller political regions also means that any mistakes made have less leverage than with huge Nations with large Governments. It`s sort of a fuse in a sense, keeps things contained.

This is all highly theoretical of course, but if the Catalans really seceded from Spain then other regions, or the rest Spain as a whole, could enforce their borders against Catalonia.
What I think would happen is such a scenario, and I know how crazy the Catalans have become, is a total economic and social collapse within a short period of time. Reality would smack them in the face, and they would have to change their tune.

As far as the US is concerned, what happens when California is 70 percent Hispanic? I don`t know, but it seems to be heading in that direction. Secession may be the best option eventually.
Whites in the north and mostly Hispanics in the south sounds likely.

Post: #47

(09-24-2017 02:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm interested to know if OP thinks that Israel should generically brown itself, submit to reducing it's Jewish population per capita to .2 percent (Jews as a percentage of world population) and accept all cultural changes such an alteration would bring.

Better yet, surely Israel should become part of a Middle-eastern Union, wherein the Jews would become a bitch-state to the Arab/Muslim voting blocs.

The problem is, rather, how to better protect your populace from exactly the sort of submission you talk about. I am not talking about accepting a completely globalist approach. Instead, I am recognising that there is such a thing as a 'European civilisation'.

However, if you see the differences between European nations as similar to the ones between Israel and the Arabs, you are beyond any argumentation.

Europe was culturally united by the influence of the Roman empire and the Catholic church. This influence can be felt today in every sphere of a European's life, whether they speak a Germanic or a Romance tongue; whether they are Catholic, Atheist, or a Protestant heretic. So, I am comfortable saying that there is 'a European culture', or 'a European civilisation', worthy of being protected against Arab and African influence.

The question is whether the disunity caused by the fight against the EU is increasing or not our chances of defending the European civilisation from immediate collapse.

Perhaps, you could say, there are political gains by this fight. That it sends an anti-globalist message that resonates more clearly with the European peoples. But in my vision, if this fight is winnable, it could also be winnable from within the EU.

Refashioning it into an entity that protects, rather than destroys, European culture might be a more achievable goal.

It would broaden the support for more practical, realistic policies. And, best of all, it would not pit European nation against European nation, as it currently does.

To be specific about the Israel comparison. The way I see it, (a parcel of) zionists fight for the unity of the Hebrew civilisation, culture and religion. They abhor the idea of an Arabic majority in their country. That is what I would like to see in Europe.

Post: #48

(09-23-2017 10:22 PM)Jungle Wrote:  What you are doing is thinking like a globalist, who wants to destroy your own culture to appease minorities. Very typical of Germans. You are cucks who hate yourselves.

A real man who has any respect to his ancestors will say:
- German language may or may not be the "best" language, but it's how we are successfully alive today and it's our heritage so let's preserve our culture.
- German cake may or may not be the "best" cake, but it's how we are successfully alive today and it's our heritage so let's preserve our culture.
- German national traditions may or may not be the "best" national traditions, but it's how we are successfully alive today and it's our heritage so let's preserve our culture.

Also, shock-horrow and newsflash! ... But the fact is this "German culture" which is so criticised by Germans, has actually become the most powerful culture in Europe... you guys have created an economy in a way that British, French, Spanish and Italians haven't... hmmmmm... I don't understand how you can you be so pussy whilst possessing such power?

This is getting everything exactly backwards. Of course there is such a thing as a 'German culture', and its folk manifestation (cakes, Oktoberfest, whatever Americans think of when they read 'Germany') is just fine and perhaps worth preserving.

But the grandeur of Europe came about when all of these cultures intermingled and created the European civilisation: we, together, developed Western classical music, Christianity, Science, Philosophy, Literature. Our intellectuals and aristocrats spoke and wrote in Latin, then French, for centuries. We had the great Catholic church as the appeaser, pacifier, and unifier of the continent. We took back Hispania from the moors. We took Jerusalem. We intermarried our royal families.

The Hungarian dobos torte, the French baguette and the Cotoletta alla Milanesa might be nice cultural manifestations worth preserving, but they cannot blind us to the fact that that Europe has something deeper connecting all these nations, binding them together. A moral connection. A historical connection. A civilisation. This is what made Europe so wealthy and culturally rich.

That is the whole point. That's what we are trying to protect.

Maybe I'm too classically conservative for this new nationalism...

Post: #49

"but they cannot blind us to the fact that that Europe has something deeper connecting all these nations, binding them together. A moral connection. A historical connection. A civilisation. This is what made Europe so wealthy and culturally rich."

The most important connection I would say is the genetic similarity we share, which predates civilization.

But you sort of undermine you`re original point of the EU`s role in keeping Europe "together" since all the commonalities you just mentioned arose when Europe was much more balkanized than it is currently, and also long before the EU`s existence.

Post: #50

Two things.

Firstly, is that I broadly disagree with your historical assessment.

Yes, genetic similarities are older, but they are only important inasmuch as they manifest in reality. And about the make up of said reality, I'd disagree that Europe was 'more balkanised' before than now, in a meaningful sense.

Even when there was political disunity in the form of Empires, Kingdoms, Dukedoms, Fiefdoms, etc., there was always the Catholic church (and Christian morality) as an element of pacification and unity. The hold of Christian morality, and of the institutionalised church, has been lost.

But secondly, even if I am wrong, and balkanisation helped Europe (or political balkanisation at least), this does not mean that to fight for balkanisation is the best political move *right now*. That is, I can agree that the European Union is not a great second act to the Catholic church (or the Roman empire), but it doesn't matter. Now we are in crisis. The more pressing issue is to stop the fucking bleeding.