Post: #1

This story has been going around the last couple of years - a female F16 pilot from the DC Air National Guard was ready to kamikaze flight 93 but never got her chance.

Anyone else have their BS detector go of just a little bit? Me too. Though the story says she was the second combat pilot in the air that morning, others were already scrambled from Langley and Otis. It also isn't clear she and the other DC pilots had any other information before taking to the air.

Regardless, it's easy to say over a decade later that "I would have done so-and-so" without ever having been in the situation to make the choice. Given the ramping up of SJWism the past decade or so, it's unsurprising this minor facet of the events surrounding 911 is getting more coverage than ever.

Thoughts?

Post: #2

Consider giving your thread a better title.
This small topic seems a little too niche for its own thread.
How about a general September 11, 2001 discussion thread ?
You have an hour from original posting to change it.

Post: #3

Why would she have gone kamikaze on the commercial plane?
Aren't F16s stationed on US mainland bases, equipped with weaponry?

Also, a F16 being so much faster and capable than a massive Boeing, maybe she could have impaired the big plane without even shooting at it? Like blasting her reactor on the boeing pilots' windshield, I don't know, where's NASA test pilot on this...? Or at the very least, calling for Wonderwoman to help a fellow feminist fighter...

Post: #4

She fails her mission and now she's a hero?



I like people that don't fail their missions.

Post: #5

Yes, but she's a female in a highly prestige/glam profession, so we have to celebrate her just for that.

Post: #6

The news article I read said they launched without weapons, because it was going to be another hour to arm the planes. They took off without standard pre-flight checklists as well. By this time, the first planes had already hit the WTC, and Flight 93 was already known to be under terrorist control. They didn't have much time to get in the air and intercept it before the plane would have reached the White House.

There were supposedly two F16s, hers, and one piloted by a guy. The guy was going to try to hit the cockpit, and she was to try to hit the tail. The guy was supposedly going to try to line up for an impact, and eject at the last second, knowing this would be a very risky move.

The article I read had her claiming she wasn't going to try to eject, because she wasn't willing to risk ejecting and then have her plane miss the target.

I think if it had been necessary, she would have let the guy go first, and would not have had to try if he succeeded in bringing down the plane. If he had tried and failed, it's hard to say if she would have given her life to ensure bringing the plane down.

I would say it is possible. Military pilots are trained intensively in the need to complete the mission, and she would be deeply instilled with that mentality. However, it's possible she would have chickened out in the end. Women are not naturally wired to sacrifice themselves, except in the case of their children, and even then, they're more likely to helplessly cry for a man to save her children.

Post: #7

(09-13-2017 08:18 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Why would she have gone kamikaze on the commercial plane?
Aren't F16s stationed on US mainland bases, equipped with weaponry?

Also, a F16 being so much faster and capable than a massive Boeing, maybe she could have impaired the big plane without even shooting at it? Like blasting her reactor on the boeing pilots' windshield, I don't know, where's NASA test pilot on this...? Or at the very least, calling for Wonderwoman to help a fellow feminist fighter...

If she used her Ion cannons instead of phase torpedoes she could have disabled the airplanes engines. Then she could have brought it down safely with her tractor beam.

Post: #8

What is this nonsense? She wanted a participation trophy?



Women do not belong in the military. Period.

Post: #9

It's nothing special, she did her duty, and put her life on the line when ordered to do so.

Any person serving whose in conflict should expect this.

JMK is right, it's like she still wants recognition and a trophy.


YOU DID YOUR JOB, end of story.

Post: #10

She would have hit the plane from above and ejected out. It would have been dangerous but it's not a "kamikaze" mission.

Post: #11

The picture from that article shows airplane debris and parts (notably a passenger jet tail) that were clearly not there after the plane allegedly crashed there.

Here is the picture from the linked article:



contrast with actual picture and footage of alleged crash site:








Note that this alleged crash site was that of a small abandoned mine crater. This landscape scar was already there before the plane allegedly crashed in it. Here is two pictures of that crater before 9/11-01, the second ne is a satellite picture that shows a long gash in the ground that could pass for an airplane crash site:








Multiple witnesses have stated seeing a twin rear-engined military plane flying low before and after the alleged crash. Their descriptions fit the specs of an A10 Warthog. Many analysts believe that the A10 has bombed the mine site to simulate a plane crash. Here's Christopher Bollyn's take:

http://bollyn.com/the-shanksville-deception-of-9-11-2

Post: #12

Here we go.

Post: #13

I don't know who or what made this "long gash", but I do know what it reminds me of...

A poet would actually describe this structure on the ground, as, "(but Oh!) That deep romantic chasm"...

Post: #14

Three things from off the top of my head.

1. I've seen plenty of self-congratulating "strong, tough, resourceful" military women who are rapturously praised in public by the chain of command crumble under even slight pressure.

2. "I'm a very big deal and I was prepared to do absolutely anything that day."

Translation: I didn't do anything out of the ordinary but my female ego still wants praise for it.

"You don't understand! I was prepared to die that day!"

Every serving member of the military is supposed to be prepared to die for their country, should the need arise, moron. And you did not die that day so it's a moot point.

Now shut-up and go make yourself useful for once by making your man a sandwich or keeping your body slender so he enjoys sex with you.

3.

Quote: Penney was one of the first female combat pilots.

Yeah? Like Kara Hultgreen. Except luckier

http://www.returnofkings.com/39218/the-d...he-us-navy

Quote:She now works for at Lockheed Martin, where she helps direct the F-35 program.

If you need further proof that the F-35 program is a boondoggle, here it is.

Post: #15

Shades of the Jessica Lynch story/psyop, another female soldier hero Pentagon fluff story.

(09-13-2017 12:20 PM)Suits Wrote:  Here we go.

Even if one is a hardened normie, you've got to admit that the aircraft crash picture from article I've reposted above has been staged. There are tons of Shankville post-crash footage and testimonies showing no visible aircraft parts around the alleged impact point, I've posted some above. The tail and other aircraft debris were moved later to this spot and staged to make it look like the plane actually crashed there, fact.


So did that pilot escort Flight 93 till it crashed and confirm seeing it go down? The F16 has an operational range of 2000mi and there are plenty of landing strips in the Shanksville area, so she wouldn't have had to return early.

Post: #16

(09-13-2017 01:26 PM)911 Wrote:  Shades of the Jessica Lynch story/psyop, another female soldier hero Pentagon fluff story.

(09-13-2017 12:20 PM)Suits Wrote:  Here we go.

Even if one is a hardened normie, you've got to admit that the aircraft crash picture from article I've reposted above has been staged. There are tons of Shankville post-crash footage and testimonies showing no visible aircraft parts around the alleged impact point, I've posted some above. The tail and other aircraft debris were moved later to this spot and staged to make it look like the plane actually crashed there, fact.


So did that pilot escort Flight 93 till it crashed and confirm seeing it go down? The F16 has an operational range of 2000mi and there are plenty of landing strips in the Shanksville area, so she wouldn't have had to return early.

I repeat:
The 11th of September 2001 attacks (as a whole - meaning talking about all 4 planes that were hijacked) needs its own thread (with a good title) for these kind of intricate discussions....who will start one ?

Post: #17

Theres another story I've heard, but it was by two ground crew guys. They said the loaded an f16 that went to meet the same flight as this lady, except it came back short one missile.

I can't seem to google up that. Funny.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Aloha!

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(09-13-2017 02:30 PM)Kona Wrote:  Theres another story I've heard, but it was by two ground crew guys. They said the loaded an f16 that went to meet the same flight as this lady, except it came back short one missile.

I can't seem to google up that. Funny.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Aloha!

Shanksville witness states UA93 was shot down.

Post: #21

Even if the Boeing was, possibly, shot down out of absolute and urgent necessity, it is still better for everyone, families included of course, to believe and enforce the official narrative. A rare occurrence where red-pilling is unnecessary, I'd say.

Post: #22

Air defence fighters kept parked - never mind launched - without weapons? When strategic bombers are kept with nukes on board at all times and crews have just minutes to get airborne?

Post: #23

(09-13-2017 04:13 PM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  Air defence fighters kept parked - never mind launched - without weapons? When strategic bombers are kept with nukes on board at all times and crews have just minutes to get airborne?

Correct - the entire article is bullshit.

They wanted to bring up the 911 angle, but had to find some woman out there who was peripherally engaged. They cannot do the story about the firemen and cops who died on 911. It had to be about a stupid bitch.

Maybe they should have asked why air defense was able to intercept scores of small planes coming for New York, but somehow a huge jet avoided them. Or they should start by asking why Building 7 WTC collapsed without reason or why the twin towers collapsed because of a fire?

But no reason to go into that rabbit hole. Real people died, real men gave their lives. Obviously they had to fill in the 2017 propaganda update.

Post: #24

Her story is bullshit. I'd like to see evidence of any of her claims.

Post: #25

If I had been in her situation, I would be saying - these days - that I deeply regret, and am nearly ashamed, that I wasn't able to get there on time to do what needed to be done. I wouldn't be bragging about how heroic I might have been.