Post: #26

Never been to africa but i see a bunch of guys saying the hiv factor might stop them from going there.
Think about it, the risk of contracting hiv from vaginal sex is less than 0.1%, IF you dont use a condom.
I dont know what % of condom breakage the average guy experiences but if you strap up i`m guessing the odds of contracting it will be closer to 1 in 100000, maybe even 1 in a million.

Post: #27

Indeed, even in Africa, HIV will be the least of your concerns. Just use a condom and you are fine.

(08-22-2017 05:57 PM)RiskIt4Biscuit Wrote:  Never been to africa but i see a bunch of guys saying the hiv factor might stop them from going there.
Think about it, the risk of contracting hiv from vaginal sex is less than 0.1%, IF you dont use a condom.
I dont know what % of condom breakage the average guy experiences but if you strap up i`m guessing the odds of contracting it will be closer to 1 in 100000, maybe even 1 in a million.

Post: #28

Two months ago, I swore to myself I'll never ever go to the dark continent, but I just booked another flight to Western Africa.

Africa is definitely a love/hate affair to me. I really despise the frequent police checkpoints, rampant prostitution, miserable infrastructure, high cost, incompetence of locals and whatnot. But I have to admit that I need the adventures. Some cities are total hellholes, but at least it's never boring there.

Every time I see a forum member complain about the food, transportation or quality of life in Colombia or Jakarta, I immediately think this guy has probably seen 10% of what I endured in my travels.

Africa is definitely not for everybody. Those who like (non western) black girls and don't want to travel to Africa can easily find them around the globe, especially Brazil, Haiti, France, or Thailand.

Post: #29

@Selembao where you headed?

Post: #30

And why West Africa as opposed to East Africa? It seems to be a bit more rough around the edges. Are you drawn more towards West African culture or are you a French speaker?

In fact- I would love to hear a proper breakdown between the differences from anyone who has traveled both regions. It seems that most prefer East.

Post: #31

(08-22-2017 04:19 PM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  My advice on the continent is to have someone (a local) who can chaperone you if it is your first time anywhere. There are a lot of nuances to each African country and for safety's sake you must have someone who knows their way around. The HIV rate in Southern Africa is not overstated, it is a real pandemic.

Once you know your way around, however, it's all good game. South Africa has good parts and bad parts. The good parts are just as good as you will find in any developed country. Race is a big factor however (because of apartheid) so black guys who have a thing for white girls will face a tough time.

I will bust out a data sheet for some Southern African countries in the near future.

Hahahah but why would a black guy go to Africa looking for white lizards??

Post: #32

(08-20-2017 12:08 PM)hooked_on_tonics Wrote:  @Moma

What countries attract you most?

In no particular order but Ghana, Kenya, Uganda, Angola, Namibia to start off with.

Post: #33

(08-22-2017 08:23 PM)hooked_on_tonics Wrote:  @Selembao where you headed?

Senegal in a few weeks. Then I'll travel overland with a local friend. This guy wants to go with me to Mali, but visiting this country is a bit risky for a westerner (almost failed state, risk of kidnapping, and probably no beer in small towns), so I prefer to go overland to Gambia and Guinea Bissau.

Post: #34

(08-22-2017 09:28 PM)hooked_on_tonics Wrote:  And why West Africa as opposed to East Africa? It seems to be a bit more rough around the edges. Are you drawn more towards West African culture or are you a French speaker?

In fact- I would love to hear a proper breakdown between the differences from anyone who has traveled both regions. It seems that most prefer East.

Indeed I speak French and knowing this language is almost a must if you visit the former French colonies.


Differences between west and east:

Getting there
For Western Africa (WA), the majority of countries require a visa which can cost 100€ at some embassies. There are some exceptions (Senegal visa free, Ivory Coast e-visa, Togo 7 days visa on arrival, for example). Eastern Africa (EA) is way easier to get there, and most countries are visa free or visa upon arrival.

Language barrier
Not all people speak the official language in their country. For example in Senegal, the biggest ethnic group are the wolof at almost 50% of population. Other ethnic groups such as Peul speak wolof as a mother language as well since every local speaks it, then they speak their own language, then French as a third language. Few people speak English here. People frequently ask me if I speak wolof, followed with a "you should learn." Compare that with Uganda where 50 or even more tribes and languages exist, people must speak English in order to communicate.

Things to do and see
In EA, definitely nature and safaris. In WA, there is much less wildlife, and oftentimes nature not as good as in the east. In WA, 95% of interesting places (nightlife, infrastructure, shopping, non-conservative girls) are in cities at the seaside. Leaving the coastal area is not a smart move since landlocked countries such as Burkina Faso, Niger or Mali have almost nothing good to offer. While in EA, landlocked countries such as Ethiopia or Uganda are better for visitors and have better security.

Girls
EA is definitely easier, hands down. But the girls in the Francophonie are more sophisticated and have better manners.

OP, is that the info you envisioned? I could write 10000 words on differences between west and east Africa. If you want to know more, please ask or PM me.

Post: #35

Mali? Shiiit. That's heavy.

Heard good things about Guinea. The reports I've heard about Guinea Bissau are less encouraging.

The major thing stopping me from going to Conakry is the FGM prevalence among the female population. But then, it sounds like you are going for an experience, rather than just women.

Props man, these countries are the cultural immersion equivalent to mainlining heroin as far as I'm concerned. Not sure I have the stomach for them, but more power to you.

Regardless, safe travels.

Post: #36

And yes.

Great breakdown. Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences. Will pm if I want to further indulge my curiosity.

Repped

Post: #37

(08-23-2017 08:47 AM)hooked_on_tonics Wrote:  The major thing stopping me from going to Conakry is the FGM prevalence among the female population. But then, it sounds like you are going for an experience, rather than just women.

Exactly. Going to Conakry solely for the girls is not very efficient. You can get the Guinean flag in France or maybe in Senegal. Guinea is the least competitive country according to WEF for a reason.
I banged one Guinean girl who indeed had her clit removed. A boner killer to say the least.

Post: #38

My general impression is that WA is the most hardcore. Aka highest risk of violence, disease and just general chaos.

I think the hottest women are to be found in WA though.

Post: #39

(08-23-2017 08:38 AM)Selembao Wrote:  Indeed I speak French and knowing this language is almost a must if you visit the former French colonies.


Differences between west and east:

Getting there
For Western Africa (WA), the majority of countries require a visa which can cost 100€ at some embassies. There are some exceptions (Senegal visa free, Ivory Coast e-visa, Togo 7 days visa on arrival, for example). Eastern Africa (EA) is way easier to get there, and most countries are visa free or visa upon arrival.

Language barrier
Not all people speak the official language in their country. For example in Senegal, the biggest ethnic group are the wolof at almost 50% of population. Other ethnic groups such as Peul speak wolof as a mother language as well since every local speaks it, then they speak their own language, then French as a third language. Few people speak English here. People frequently ask me if I speak wolof, followed with a "you should learn." Compare that with Uganda where 50 or even more tribes and languages exist, people must speak English in order to communicate.

Things to do and see
In EA, definitely nature and safaris. In WA, there is much less wildlife, and oftentimes nature not as good as in the east. In WA, 95% of interesting places (nightlife, infrastructure, shopping, non-conservative girls) are in cities at the seaside. Leaving the coastal area is not a smart move since landlocked countries such as Burkina Faso, Niger or Mali have almost nothing good to offer. While in EA, landlocked countries such as Ethiopia or Uganda are better for visitors and have better security.

Girls
EA is definitely easier, hands down. But the girls in the Francophonie are more sophisticated and have better manners.

OP, is that the info you envisioned? I could write 10000 words on differences between west and east Africa. If you want to know more, please ask or PM me.

While I was living and working in Dublin, I got to know a number of guys from West Africa ranging from medical doctors, students and taxi drivers. All of them good upstanding, hard working individuals. I worked with a doctor from Cameroon from the English speaking north west. I also got to know a taxi driver from the French speaking part and the difference between them personality wise was very noticeable.

All the guys were selling their countries to me (Ghana, Guinea, Nigeria, Benin etc.), telling me that you must visit, to check it out and even giving me their relatives contact details where I could stay. All of them said that a white man would clean up there. They were quite open about it. If you go to countries like Ghana or Nigeria, be prepared to be called an 'Obroni' or 'Oyibo'. It's not a derogatory term or anything. The locals think that if you travel, you are loaded.

Post: #40

(08-23-2017 09:09 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  My general impression is that WA is the most hardcore. Aka highest risk of violence, disease and just general chaos.

I think the hottest women are to be found in WA though.

The best women are found in usually inaccessible places. Francophone WA countries like Guinea, Cote d'Ivoire, Togo, Benin and Cameroon would be worth checking out.

As for the Anglophone ones, Ghana and Nigeria, the latter would be a lot more dangerous than the former. Ghana is a well known tourist hot spot. However I have spoken to a number of people who ventured off the beaten path into central Ghana where it is populated by the Ewe ethnic group and encountered a people who were super friendly and hospitable.

I will definitely check out WA some day.

Post: #41

I've done this comparison before on the forum somewhere, but a small recapitulation of the countries I've seen:

-Uganda: Amazing country with a lot of options for tourists, everyone speaks English, girls are very slutty and its generally pretty safe. Unique here is that you can see mountain gorillas as well. The party scene is some of the best I've seen in my life (and I've been around). Crazy traffic also! Do the level 5 wild water rafting near Jinja, its top of the world.

-Kenya: Similar to Uganda, but some places are more dangerous (Nairobi aka Nairobbery, the north close to Ethiopia has rebels etc.). The advantage is that you can go to the beaches near to Mombasa, they are nice, but it's very hot there. Excellent for safari also offcourse. Mount Kenya is amazing to climb, supposedly better than Kilimanjaro and much cheaper.

-Tanzania: Same as Kenya and ideal for Safari or wild life. The Ngorongoro crater is highly recommended by many. Dar es salaam is another massive city, I think safer than Nairobi, but not very attractive. Unique here is Zanzibar offcourse with its amazing history and pearl white beaches. People are muslim so don't expect massive parties. Girls here are not attractive in my opinion, probably the least of East Africa.

-Rwanda: Spectacular country, very unique in that its people are much more introverted and the country is extremely safe everywhere. The mountains and valleys are beautiful, but the downside here is that tourism is less developed. Hotels in Kigali can be pretty costly and you would need a 4wd to really get to see much of the country. Best place in the world for gorilla sightseeing, but super expensive, I think a 1000$ now, which is exaggerated. Girls here are definitly pretty, especially Tutsi decendants, but don't say that word to anyone there. The genocide museum is a must see, but rough, you won't be smiling when you leave that place. Check my datasheet: /thread-34808...ht=ruanda.

-Burundi: Underdeveloped country in all aspects and pretty unstable, this one is not for the rookie traveller. Bujumbura is pretty much a shithole, although you have nice places at the lake. I haven't been to the countryside, but it's probably very beautiful, but hardcore travelling, similar to Rwanda, where you would need a good car preferably. Always check the political situation when going here. Girls here and in Rwanda I'd say are prettier than in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda but they don't speak English most times (some speak French), so it will be harder.

-Congo: I´ve been only to the East of the Country, the Goma region and it is completely fucked. Perhaps the city in the world that has seen the most fucked up things, continuous warfare, rebel armies, destruction by a volcano outburst, epidemics etc. Any man who travels these parts has balls and is hopefully very experienced. Check the Nyirangoro crater, which is stunning. You can see gorillas also for much cheaper near Bukavu, but as always safety is an issue here.

-Ethiopia: A fascinating country to be honest, so much diversity in everything. In Harrar you have muslim population and you can go feed wild hyenas at night outside it's gates. In Lalibela you see some of the holiest shrines known to christianity carved from the earth. Mekele has amazing rock churches. The afar region is where you will find unique landscapes and the Erta Ale, the gate to hell, an open lava crater. Here you bribe the village heads and hire kalashnikov wearing rebels to take you through the barren wasteland. Temperatures go up to 50 degrees, known as the hottest place in earth. The simien mountains are a lot cooler and have some unique wildlife, ideal for a trek of a week, you can see wolves there. The capital Addis Abeba is as always in Africa chaotic with way too much people living there. Nightlife is cool, but language is a real issue everywhere in the country. I agree with most that Ethiopia has the most beautiful women in the continent, especially those from the north. Food in Ethiopia is a delight, but similar to Indian food, your stomach might protest.

-Morocco: Great to visit if you're in Europe, because you can take cheap Ryanair flights from the mainland. The country has amazing food, beautiful beaches and you can go visit the Sahara desert and sleep in a tent there for little money. It is definitly worth a visit, but it has two downsides. One: the guys try to haggle you everywhere constantly, they will not leave you in peace ever. Two: hotels ask proof of marriage when you are with a girl, just walking with a local girl will cause people to stare at you and judge. In nightlife you can see extremely beautiful girls, but they are almost all prostitutes unfortunately.

-South Africa: This is like a hybrid country, half western half african. Tourism is very well developed here, you can find all the fast food chains, the landscapes are very unique and beautiful, some of the best safaris in the world, lots of adventure tourism options such as white shark cage diving, bungees, paragliding... The downsides of the west however are here as well, a lot of drug use, the first place in Africa where you can see junkies wandering the streets. It's more dangerous and racial tensions are always high. Perhaps the most racist country on earth. I went to a club in capetown with maybe 300 people in it and there was not one black person. HIV rates are extreme here, so I would watch out with aids (which I think in East and North Africa is not such an issue). The afrikaners (dutch descendants) are very buff and tall. They make for perhaps the best white athletes in the world I think genetically speaking.


For me overall, Africa is definitly a hidden gem, but it is not for everyone. If you are a man of adventure, who doesn't need too much comfort and doesn't get upset when things go wrong, then this is a great place. You have to be very independent to travel here and very social. Be prepared to meet the friendliest people on earth, see places that are so unique they should be known everywhere, but yet no one goes there, because it's Africa. Avoid all the tourist traps and travel light and flexible. If you wanna see any african country, I wouldn't go for a week but atleast a month. If you wanna experience for instance East Africa, take 3 months and only plan it vaguely.

The countries I definitly wanna visit still: Madagascar, Namibia, Erithrea, Cameroon.

After speaking with a lot of RVF veterans in person, I think an African invasion or group trip is in the making in the next 5 years. If any well repped members want to see pictures (IG, FB) or need more info hit me up in PM. I might go live in a very special country in West Africa soon, but nothing is certain yet.

Post: #42

(08-23-2017 11:09 AM)rottenapple Wrote:  I've done this comparison before on the forum somewhere, but a small recapitulation of the countries I've seen:

-Uganda: Amazing country with a lot of options for tourists, everyone speaks English, girls are very slutty and its generally pretty safe. Unique here is that you can see mountain gorillas as well. The party scene is some of the best I've seen in my life (and I've been around). Crazy traffic also! Do the level 5 wild water rafting near Jinja, its top of the world.

-Kenya: Similar to Uganda, but some places are more dangerous (Nairobi aka Nairobbery, the north close to Ethiopia has rebels etc.). The advantage is that you can go to the beaches near to Mombasa, they are nice, but it's very hot there. Excellent for safari also offcourse. Mount Kenya is amazing to climb, supposedly better than Kilimanjaro and much cheaper.

-Tanzania: Same as Kenya and ideal for Safari or wild life. The Ngorongoro crater is highly recommended by many. Dar es salaam is another massive city, I think safer than Nairobi, but not very attractive. Unique here is Zanzibar offcourse with its amazing history and pearl white beaches. People are muslim so don't expect massive parties. Girls here are not attractive in my opinion, probably the least of East Africa.

-Rwanda: Spectacular country, very unique in that its people are much more introverted and the country is extremely safe everywhere. The mountains and valleys are beautiful, but the downside here is that tourism is less developed. Hotels in Kigali can be pretty costly and you would need a 4wd to really get to see much of the country. Best place in the world for gorilla sightseeing, but super expensive, I think a 1000$ now, which is exaggerated. Girls here are definitly pretty, especially Tutsi decendants, but don't say that word to anyone there. The genocide museum is a must see, but rough, you won't be smiling when you leave that place. Check my datasheet: /thread-34808...ht=ruanda.

-Burundi: Underdeveloped country in all aspects and pretty unstable, this one is not for the rookie traveller. Bujumbura is pretty much a shithole, although you have nice places at the lake. I haven't been to the countryside, but it's probably very beautiful, but hardcore travelling, similar to Rwanda, where you would need a good car preferably. Always check the political situation when going here. Girls here and in Rwanda I'd say are prettier than in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda but they don't speak English most times (some speak French), so it will be harder.

-Congo: I´ve been only to the East of the Country, the Goma region and it is completely fucked. Perhaps the city in the world that has seen the most fucked up things, continuous warfare, rebel armies, destruction by a volcano outburst, epidemics etc. Any man who travels these parts has balls and is hopefully very experienced. Check the Nyirangoro crater, which is stunning. You can see gorillas also for much cheaper near Bukavu, but as always safety is an issue here.

-Ethiopia: A fascinating country to be honest, so much diversity in everything. In Harrar you have muslim population and you can go feed wild hyenas at night outside it's gates. In Lalibela you see some of the holiest shrines known to christianity carved from the earth. Mekele has amazing rock churches. The afar region is where you will find unique landscapes and the Erta Ale, the gate to hell, an open lava crater. Here you bribe the village heads and hire kalashnikov wearing rebels to take you through the barren wasteland. Temperatures go up to 50 degrees, known as the hottest place in earth. The simien mountains are a lot cooler and have some unique wildlife, ideal for a trek of a week, you can see wolves there. The capital Addis Abeba is as always in Africa chaotic with way too much people living there. Nightlife is cool, but language is a real issue everywhere in the country. I agree with most that Ethiopia has the most beautiful women in the continent, especially those from the north. Food in Ethiopia is a delight, but similar to Indian food, your stomach might protest.

-Morocco: Great to visit if you're in Europe, because you can take cheap Ryanair flights from the mainland. The country has amazing food, beautiful beaches and you can go visit the Sahara desert and sleep in a tent there for little money. It is definitly worth a visit, but it has two downsides. One: the guys try to haggle you everywhere constantly, they will not leave you in peace ever. Two: hotels ask proof of marriage when you are with a girl, just walking with a local girl will cause people to stare at you and judge. In nightlife you can see extremely beautiful girls, but they are almost all prostitutes unfortunately.

-South Africa: This is like a hybrid country, half western half african. Tourism is very well developed here, you can find all the fast food chains, the landscapes are very unique and beautiful, some of the best safaris in the world, lots of adventure tourism options such as white shark cage diving, bungees, paragliding... The downsides of the west however are here as well, a lot of drug use, the first place in Africa where you can see junkies wandering the streets. It's more dangerous and racial tensions are always high. Perhaps the most racist country on earth. I went to a club in capetown with maybe 300 people in it and there was not one black person. HIV rates are extreme here, so I would watch out with aids (which I think in East and North Africa is not such an issue). The afrikaners (dutch descendants) are very buff and tall. They make for perhaps the best white athletes in the world I think genetically speaking.


For me overall, Africa is definitly a hidden gem, but it is not for everyone. If you are a man of adventure, who doesn't need too much comfort and doesn't get upset when things go wrong, then this is a great place. You have to be very independent to travel here and very social. Be prepared to meet the friendliest people on earth, see places that are so unique they should be known everywhere, but yet no one goes there, because it's Africa. Avoid all the tourist traps and travel light and flexible. If you wanna see any african country, I wouldn't go for a week but atleast a month. If you wanna experience for instance East Africa, take 3 months and only plan it vaguely.

The countries I definitly wanna visit still: Madagascar, Namibia, Erithrea, Cameroon.

After speaking with a lot of RVF veterans in person, I think an African invasion or group trip is in the making in the next 5 years. If any well repped members want to see pictures (IG, FB) or need more info hit me up in PM. I might go live in a very special country in West Africa soon, but nothing is certain yet.

Awesome report. +1

Post: #43

Even though chocolate is not first on the menu for most RVF'ers, the way Europe is going, Africa may not be a bad choice!

Post: #44

Me thinks paranoia about HIV makes it not worth it. Heck even standard bacterial infections, sure its not India but there are hotter healthier women everywhere else.

Post: #45

(08-23-2017 02:51 PM)Nowak Wrote:  Me thinks paranoia about HIV makes it not worth it. Heck even standard bacterial infections, sure its not India but there are hotter healthier women everywhere else.

HIV is really only a problem if you are uncircumcised AND you like to practise raw ANAL.

Post: #46

(08-20-2017 03:11 PM)churros Wrote:  Shit, Anabasis to Desta posted that data sheet on Ethiopia after all, under a new user name. It went right under my nose. Still think this dude shouldn't have been banned.

Forgot that guy, too bad, that is an impressive and useful data sheet. Very inspiring too. Makes me want to go to Ethiopia.

Post: #47

Africa is definitely a gem. It is destined to be taken over by the Chinese which is strangely enough one of the better plans that the globalists have. This will take a few decades, so we can relax - Africa will turn into an orderly more or less prosperous place sooner or later.

Now that this is taken care of - the gems of nature and booty nature are definitely a must-see:


   

   

Post: #48

Fantastic post rottenapple, +1 from me as well. I notice a distinct lack of west african countries on your travel resume.

Is this intentional?

Post: #49

(08-23-2017 10:15 PM)hooked_on_tonics Wrote:  Fantastic post rottenapple, +1 from me as well. I notice a distinct lack of west african countries on your travel resume.

Is this intentional?

Thanks, and that might change soon enough, but flights in Africa are expensive, so when I was there I mostly traveled over land. Going from East to West over land would not be an easy task, crossing the DRC or Central African Republic, don't know if its even possible, probably would take months and make for a hell of a trip report.

Post: #50

(08-23-2017 11:59 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 10:15 PM)hooked_on_tonics Wrote:  Fantastic post rottenapple, +1 from me as well. I notice a distinct lack of west african countries on your travel resume.

Is this intentional?

Thanks, and that might change soon enough, but flights in Africa are expensive, so when I was there I mostly traveled over land. Going from East to West over land would not be an easy task, crossing the DRC or Central African Republic, don't know if its even possible, probably would take months and make for a hell of a trip report.

Somebody posted this account in another thread, can't find it now to give credit. Awesome link buddy!

I read every page. They basically jeep through the DRC, and get stuck along the way. Sounds like a nightmare. They learn the horrendous details of atrocities that were still occurring there up until 2006, unreported by the media. Not the least of these was rape, but also widespread cannibalism. Scary shit.