Post: #76

right now....discovered this forum due to a lingering relationship of years where I was giving 100% effort while the girl was wishy washy. final straw she went over the edge and completely gave up and is now with another guy. now I am cutting ties as much as possible considering we have a kid together.

getting over the hurt and realizing how I was played. attempting to realize the positive things I have to offer but offsetting that with the fact that I have too many blue pill dreams of a future relationship.

realizing I have no girls at the moment and that I've never been one to hook up or have a ONS...and wanting to change this for me, and inject excitement into my life!

wanting to sharpen the tools I have to achieve this.

Post: #77

Pro14 damn sorry to hear that man.

Focus on your diet, gym, style and hygiene (teeth hair etc) to maximize your attractiveness.

Then focus on building up your life experiences to really feel like you are the shit and are going places that will take you to a better life than you had with her.

Then put on your game face and start the approaches. Go out solo. Get rejected rejected rejected then get lucky.

As a friend told me before, use the breakup to "level up" and make a better life for yourself

Post: #78

(07-26-2013 02:16 PM)bacan Wrote:  Pro14 damn sorry to hear that man.

Focus on your diet, gym, style and hygiene (teeth hair etc) to maximize your attractiveness.

Then focus on building up your life experiences to really feel like you are the shit and are going places that will take you to a better life than you had with her.

Then put on your game face and start the approaches. Go out solo. Get rejected rejected rejected then get lucky.

As a friend told me before, use the breakup to "level up" and make a better life for yourself

Thanks Bro I appreciate the tips......currently in phase one - getting back to working out more consistently - which I always have but rocky over 1st half of the year - taking better care of myself - not even for the ladies but to feel better about myself - because as we know some women could give a fuck about looks etc. and then eating better which is a challenge.

parts 2 and 3 are the real challenges for me - I crave social interaction but its tough to get there. I know a lot of acquaintances but don't have many close friends, or people inviting me out to do things - so there's a lot of life experience to have but I'm feeling stuck at the moment.

going out solo - something I can do and I need to do more of and make more approaches for practice.

Post: #79

(07-26-2013 02:58 PM)pro14 Wrote:  

(07-26-2013 02:16 PM)bacan Wrote:  Pro14 damn sorry to hear that man.

Focus on your diet, gym, style and hygiene (teeth hair etc) to maximize your attractiveness.

Then focus on building up your life experiences to really feel like you are the shit and are going places that will take you to a better life than you had with her.

Then put on your game face and start the approaches. Go out solo. Get rejected rejected rejected then get lucky.

As a friend told me before, use the breakup to "level up" and make a better life for yourself

Thanks Bro I appreciate the tips......currently in phase one - getting back to working out more consistently - which I always have but rocky over 1st half of the year - taking better care of myself - not even for the ladies but to feel better about myself - because as we know some women could give a fuck about looks etc. and then eating better which is a challenge.

parts 2 and 3 are the real challenges for me - I crave social interaction but its tough to get there. I know a lot of acquaintances but don't have many close friends, or people inviting me out to do things - so there's a lot of life experience to have but I'm feeling stuck at the moment.

going out solo - something I can do and I need to do more of and make more approaches for practice.

Stick around. Your life is about to change.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #80

Puberty.

Post: #81

After writing this I posted in the thread about making a difference by mentoring guys. Pop over there and see what we can work out

Post: #82

I started becoming disillusioned after getting dumped on my ass by a few women throughout high school (okay, check that - try every girl). Then I started dating this hot older girl my first year of college. Hot as shit but dumb as a rock - her older sister modeled for Penthouse and some other big mags. Both scorchers. I was red pill enough at this point that I was banging other women when partying but would still get all emotional over her. I remember one time this hippy chick gave me a blowjob in my room and she had a ring on just about every finger and she left her rings in the bathroom. I told her they belonged to a girl my roommate had over and that she could have them. lol Next thing you know she's rocking those rings. Golden.

Anyways, went and joined the Army and like a fool had her in the office talking to the recruiter about putting her up in a house, etc, when I got out of basic. Didn't even clear it with her - as if I just expected her to be on board. Meanwhile she's sitting there looking at me with this expression that makes it super clear she is not even close to considering coming with me. We stayed together though and then halfway through basic she dumped me in a "dear john" letter.

It was sitting in basic I did a lot of thinking about the nature of women and how much of a jackass I'd been. I ended up fucking up my ankle and getting sent home, but by the time I got there I'd decided there was no way in hell I was taking that girl back and that I was going to change my approach to women.

When I got home, not only had she become a stripper but one of my buddies let on that she had started fucking our player friend while I was gone. I didn't even care at this point. I started banging her again and she even confessed to it, at which point I told her it didn't matter to me, and she was blown away that I didn't care. But what she didn't get is why I didn't care - and that's because I didn't care about her anymore.

She wanted to get back together and kept trying to win me over but I just treated her like a fuck buddy. In essence, our roles had completely flipped around. It ended when she walked into my room while I was fucking some 28-year-old married chick. I just rolled over and said hi and introduced them, at which point she ran out of the room crying.

I banged it out a few more times over the years but nothing steady. Have still had a couple women get to me emotionally but for the most I kind of evolved after that and have been the one in control of every relationship since. I tend to make women fall in love with me though because I still have that "I want a relationship" vibe, getting all cuddly and shit - but it only goes so deep for me anymore and I tend to hold them at a distance and eventually get bored and break it off.

I don't know how much "game" I have though; I don't employ much strategy and what little I do have is just natural or derived from experience. I just go out and have a good time and even better if that means banging women. Certainly still plenty of room for improvement though, I suppose.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #83

(07-26-2013 03:25 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  I remember one time this hippy chick gave me a blowjob in my room and she had a ring on just about every finger and she left her rings in the bathroom. I told her they belonged to a girl my roommate had over and that she could have them. lol Next thing you know she's rocking those rings. Golden.

hahaha that's classic.

Quote:But what she didn't get is why I didn't care - and that's because I didn't care about her anymore.

yes definitely role reversal. when I think of my exes - and this is a good way to put it for guys out there going through what I am now - I could give a fuck what any of my exes are doing at this very moment. they could be laying in a hospital or getting banged by 3 guys. not part of my life. maybe that's cold...maybe just life.

the new challenge for me is having to see my ex weekly and have the connection of a kid and of paying her hundreds of dollars a month. aside from those moments I'm slowly moving on. went out last night and honestly didn't think of her. made a few approaches - no notches to show for it but i'm making a list and going to try and get to 100. practice.

Quote:Have still had a couple women get to me emotionally but for the most I kind of evolved after that and have been the one in control of every relationship since. I tend to make women fall in love with me though because I still have that "I want a relationship" vibe, getting all cuddly and shit - but it only goes so deep for me anymore and I tend to hold them at a distance and eventually get bored and break it off.

I get sucked into this all the time - one of the vibes I seem to give off - sweet guy, nice guy.

Post: #84

(07-26-2013 03:13 PM)bacan Wrote:  After writing this I posted in the thread about making a difference by mentoring guys. Pop over there and see what we can work out

nice work bacan - looks like there's a mentoring thread up and running!

Post: #85

(07-27-2013 01:30 PM)pro14 Wrote:  I get sucked into this all the time - one of the vibes I seem to give off - sweet guy, nice guy.

Yeah, it hasn't been a problem as far as sealing the deal because I come across as "bad boy that can be changed" or something like that. I'm a wildman but seem like a keeper, I guess. In any event, it seems to have translated into a lot of success with women. I just end up hurting them a lot because of giving off the wrong vibe, even if I'm honest from day one what my intentions are. So that's where it has become troublesome.

I kind of guilt tripped myself a lot in the past because I'm pretty sensitive about hurting people, but the older I get the less I'm starting to care. Women can be responsible for their own decisions; if they want to create their own story in their head when I'm telling them something different, well, I've finally coming to the conclusion that's their own problem.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #86

To be as terse as possible:

I decided to develop my game after growing increasingly frustrated with women's deceit, bullshit and overall flakiness.

Simply, I needed to develop game to counteract the very games that women play themselves.

Post: #87

After reading so many similar stories to my own on here, I feel compelled to share. I was always a pretty popular, gave off a cool/nice guy vibe, and felt that I wasn't a stud but tall, handsome, and probably slightly better looking than the average guy; however, I never had much success with girls. Most of my early girlfriends or girls I had sex with regularly came through social circles, I would become their best friend, only to hook up and start having sex after many months - certainly not ideal as these relationships never really lasted.

It was more a combination of relationships and events that opened my eyes to the red bill to start "gaming these whores." In college I had a bout of oneitis lasting 2 entire years of my college experience, which I'll never get back. After 1 year, I eventually fucked this girls brains out for about 2 months, she said she loved me, I was the happiest guy in the world - I go away to a music festival for a weekend, come back and the hoe won't even talk to me for a straight month - ignoring texts, ignoring me in person, etc... In hindsight I realized I was her little toy she used for emotional gratification while she was riding the cock carousel the rest of the time we weren't around each other.

At this point I was still rather oblivious to the notion of game, and improving myself and my behavior to attract more women. My standards were also extremely high, so this led to very few bangs and no real improvement between those bangs. I read Neil Strauss' The Game my junior year of college and realized looks don't mean much of anything - the seed was planted but I didn't do much to cultivate it until the last 6 months.

I next started dating a girl for over a year, who basically took me entirely by surprise by breaking up with me one day completely out of left field. I spiraled into a bit of a depression for 4-6 months until I came onto Roosh's Bang and Day Bang which I absorbed and studied as if they were some sacred text handed down by a prophet on high.

By what initially seemed like some miracle, I managed to have sex with a college girl 7 years my junior after my first true day game approach at starbucks. We spoke for 20 mins, I got her number, we texted and she decided she didn't want to meet, so I ignored her, and 5 days later she's apologizing to me and wants to go out to dinner. I knew this wasn't the ideal situation, but did it anyway, went in hard for the makeout at the end of the night. A few days later I make her dinner and bang her out at my place. Total time investment = maybe 3 hours. Hit it a few more times until my limited bag of tricks at the time ran out and I got bored of her.

I've since realized this was complete beginners luck, but this served as my "a-ha" moment and I've hit the ground running ever since.

Recent confirmation of my new beliefs came on a ONS a few weekends ago. My friend and I meet a group of 3, I ended up banging out the least attractive of the 3, but at least I got something. Turns out on of the other friend has two boyfriends, one from boston and one from NYC who come down alternating weekends. The last of the 3 has been hooking up with someone she "hates" but still continues to see.

It took a while for me to open my eyes to the matrix, but better late than never.

Post: #88

Was in 8th grade, went on a field trip to DC with a group of 20 girls and 10 guys. A girl on the trip and I started flirting heavily. Get back home and find out she used to date a guy I thought was a big douchebag in our grade. Overly cocky son of a bitch. That point forward I saw girls for what they are. And I knew what he was doing was right.

Post: #89

For me it was a gradual process. In college, a 'player' type guy took me under his wing and me his protege. He taught me a lot about game, and especially how to handle the sexual relationship aspects. With his help I got my first lay, at the tender age of 19. I was still firmly blue-pill though. This was in 2003.

My turning point, if there was any, was my first white girlfriend. She was absolutely insane and followed the manipulative bitch template down to the T. Moving in, talking about babies, constant pressuring, etc. Fortunately, I came to my senses and dumped her before things got too serious. We were together about six months; we still talk occasionally. She's not an evil girl, it's just that she's a girl and she couldn't help it.

One day after I dumped her I found the red pill, and suddenly all my negative emotions during the relationship made sense. Deep down I knew there were many things wrong, but I suppressed it because I had been force-fed feminist bullshit (this gf of mine was a staunch feminist). I was extremely depressed, but not any more.

Post: #90

Incidentally, I think it's very important to have a 'mentor'-type arrangement with an experienced guy, like I did. Maybe we should try to set up some official mentorship program.

Post: #91

I got burned really badly by a girl I really liked. We had been seeing each other for a long time. She started talking about marriage and shit, which I am way too young for. I sat her down and told her I wouldn't marry her until I was finished with grad school and even then I couldn't make any promises. She cheated on me and got engaged to the dude like 2 months after. Last I heard it had fizzled out and she was living back in her hometown. Serves her right.

My very next relationship after that was a disaster as well. I had a lot of connections in the town I was living in at the time and could hook up some incredible dates. I kind of realized that she was just in it for the awesome dinners and sporting events. I pushed for a relationship to test her and she said she "wasn't ready." I told her to fuck off.

I had a buddy at the time who was just slaying girls left and right. I was really angry at women and just wanted to bang a bunch and never call them back. I asked him to help me and he lent me a copy of 'Bang.' I did my 100 approaches and joined the forum a short while after. It's been about 1 year and 7 or 8 months since I took the red pill. Before that I had always been in long term relationships, so I don't know when I'll go back, if ever.

Sometimes I regret it because you learn so much horrific stuff about women. I also feel bad sometimes because I'm such a dick to girls. But the thing is, I'm getting way more sex and affection than I ever did being a gentleman. I love it, don't get me wrong, but it's making me a bit sexist.

Post: #92

Short, socially awkward, out of shape all through high school. Repeatedly crushed by the same girl over and over again. She dug me enough to cheat on her boyfriends with me but not do anything relationship-wise, which was sweet in retrospect but I was very blue pill back then and had marriage dreams and that shit. The final time it happened left me completely obliterated and it coincided with reading Roissy for the first time. I decided "no more of this" picked up some of Mystery's material, got Bang/Day Bang and dove into the manosphere like a sponge. I'm still very much a beginner, but the difference between then and now is night and day. I can only imagine where I'll be in another 4-5 years if I keep improving.

Post: #93

(08-08-2013 10:51 PM)Skotch Wrote:  I also feel bad sometimes because I'm such a dick to girls. But the thing is, I'm getting way more sex and affection than I ever did being a gentleman. I love it, don't get me wrong, but it's making me a bit sexist.

I am automatically starting to see myself act like a dick all the time with girls. I get a very short temper for their bullshit too. Sometimes I question it, but I am proven over and over that these work.

Post: #94

I don't care for the title of how you refer to women. Guys getting into this with that mindset are doing it for recognition and notches.

It's not very fulfilling. I like a lot of women around me. I like women.

For example if you hate your job. And go there with the idea that you are going to game your job. Is that really very fulfilling?

IDK....I'm a bit older so I see that way. I play the game as we all should. I just happen to like women. I like women a lot

Post: #95

I'm a smart guy, I got tired of feeling like an idiot.

I started browsing around for help, and I found it in spades.

Post: #96

I used to do approaching before I knew about the manosphere or any type of PUA, I got jumped pretty badly for supposedly disrespecting some underage chick (though I never disrespected or even spoke to her which is the fucked up part) I actually did diss girls to deal with rejection. Karma I guess. My Approach Anxiety skyrocketed after I got my ass beat and after a few months I was fed up with my AA, i started looking up how to get girls because i felt helpless. I found Donlak, Gmac and then Roosh.
Shit has changed for the better ever since.

Post: #97

I can't really pinpoint the exact time that it clicked when I wanted to learn about game. But to this day I remember the thought that pushed it forward, "I don't want to marry a fat Christian chick."

To better explain:
I'm a first-gen Mexican American so most of my influence has been a twisted culmination of cultures. I was raised to always respect elders, never speak out of turn, get a good job, etc. I never had the sex talk, I was just caught watching porn because I was curious and I figure my mom thought, "well now we don't have to have the talk" after she whopped my rear end. My dad, not Christian and fond for the hooch, has never broached the subject but he was never really around either. My father was never alpha or caring with the family but he was alcoholic and abusive. So I decided to become the complete opposite of him, perhaps making me put the handcuffs on myself as I delved into the most blue pill beta phase I lived through.

Blue Pill Me was so enamored with ideas of honor, service, duty and country that I neglected how to interact with the opposite sex. "It was going to happen eventually," naive little me thought. I looked at the movies and books I read and took that to be reality, I was completely fed on the lie that "nice guys win, nice guys get the nice girl."

Luckily I was fed up with my failures with girls and knew there must be a "technique" or a "trick" to it. So I began to look. About 2 years ago mid-college, I first ran into the tenets of game when I came across PUA Richard LaRuina, and it worked. I ran into an old HS classmate and she was practically throwing herself at me! But it was heavily night game focused and I just couldn't absorb everything and then it became a chore.

Then a year and a half ago, I come across the ROK and all of a sudden I didn't just pick up the pill and studied it like LaRuina's. I fucking swallowed it and chased it tequila and 151. I began to absorb everything about game, it wasn't no longer about just girls, it was about making myself a better man. I reread every book I could through new lenses, rewatched every movie, reheard every sermon. I was disappointed, disgusted, elevated and inspired. I now knew how to differentiate between the social lies and the Godly truths.

A great disappointment by the modern Christian Church, in my case the Hispanic Protestant, is how women are held to a slightly higher and nobler position. God taught that all humans are sinful, SJW backed society fooled me with lies of false double-standard equality, and game reminded me that women can be just as, if not more, deplorable. (N.B. Jezebel)

My new favorite actors are the Mexican actors of the Golden Era who practically force kiss the woman and/or steal her from some other chump and the American bad asses of the action era whose only opinion mattered was theirs and theirs alone.

After taking a break from college and getting ready to finish my last college year with a "Bang", I can't wait to belittle the unfounded opinions of SJW's and feminists with the cold hard facts of life and experience.

What started as a "don't get the fat chick at church to be the wife" goal became a journey of self-improvement and family improvement that was jump started by Roosh and the ROK community. Having participated in the Meet Up battle, that to me has been the greatest honor thus far. In military service we further our country's interest but here it feels like we are furthering mankind, guess I still have some idealism. But not for women, that has been tempered by realism, and especially not for closet whores.

Post: #98

After a horrendous divorce rape following a long marriage, I was back in the market "later in life" (old guy).

I have spent the last decade learning, reading and getting it wrong. Still fuck up some basics, but lately I have also had some great wins.

I thank god for having the red pill shoved down my throat. Love you guys, no homo.

Post: #99

raised as a alpha , catholic schools tame you as a beta
first flake in elementary school where i was relentlessly bullied for liking this one girl , girl would never give me a response on how she felt towards me. Left me real salty after that.
catholic high school came along dated a few girls was in poon paradise ... but left me in a beta state of mind.
college was a Mohave desert....
said fuck it realized i lived in the flake capital of the world and decided to carve out something for myself.
worked on personal development and to root out the beta..and the rest is history

Post: #100

After being a clingy beta where she would ignore my calls and texts (reply when she felt like it), got cheated on for a while (found out after breakup)...I remember even writing long love messages lol. After the breakup, I asked why did you get into.a relationship with me and she said "because you were safe".

My whole life changed after that ...