Post: #26

(07-07-2017 06:52 PM)Bill Brasky Wrote:  [quote='Gpx90210' pid='1607582' dateline='1499469411']

One thing that helped me is fully accepting that no one else gives a shit if I'm unhappy, if I'm getting laid, if I have money, if I'm being my "best self." No one. And society will never ever make it easier for you to get laid. Girls will never lower their standards, at least the one's you want to be with. They'd rather just be single than be with a man they don't value. Or maybe go into those fake late in life lesbo relationships that many spinsters end up in.

It's a daily process. You have to chip away at man. I've improved a shitload but I still have a long way to go.

Bravo, bravo.

Post: #27

(07-08-2017 07:59 AM)Ringo Wrote:  Good post @Nascimento.

Honestly as soon as I read the thread title I couldn't help but be skeptical. "Brazil = shit". Damn, homey, it's a continental size country with 200+ million inhabitants. If you go up north, you can still find first generation, dark skinned, straight haired indigenous women living in decent sized cities; if you go south and look at the population in small towns you'd probably think you were in Eastern Europe. In between there's literally every shade of skin, hair, body type, ethnic mix, culture and so on.

You're telling us you couldn't make anything work anywhere?

There's a great quote by Tom Jobim I always think about when I read threads like these: "Brazil is not for begginners". That's even more so for big cities like São Paulo and Rio.

There's just too much going on - violence, corruption, scamming, bureaucracy, "jeitinho" (our way to bend rules when necessary), and so on.

I always do my best to reply when guys coming over PM me or post in the SP thread because I know how difficult and bleak this town can be when you're going to the wrong places, see no girls worth spending time with all the while your wallet is getting drained. Believe me, I'm a local and I sometimes go through these stints myself.

I've had the pleasure to link up with multiple RVFers that have been here (online and in person), and either through my advice or their own wits I can't remember a single one who didn't do well and have a good time.

New guys: you can KILL here. But don't come expecting to be worshipped as a God for the simple fact you're here.

My biggest frustration with Brazil is seeing how my family (every adult on both sides is a business owner) works so hard but they always seem to be spinning on their wheels - again, "Brazil is not for beginners"... Ever since some relatives moved to the US, however, it's clear as day how much their efforts result in financial progress.

Having said that, I find that not to be true with women here - put the effort in and you will get results.

No one is entitled to jack shit for not learning the language, hopping on a plane, staying at a hostel, getting shitfaced in cougar bars or R$200+ VIP cover charges to a club, trolling Tinder all day and not approaching at every opportunity.

Where are these people that say Brazil sucks going?

If you look at the SP thread, you can see Travel Museums is having a hard time too - but he seems to be Tindering a lot and doing more of a touristy trip than a bang mission. I also get the feeling he hasn't been going to places locals guys like Shotgun and me recommended.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not better than anyone here. I still have a lot to improve myself.

But I wish you could see the quality of girls I've been banging...

Hahaha, nice. While not every place is going to live up to what others are saying, the OP only has himself to blame if he didn't prepare or put in effort.

Post: #28

(07-07-2017 06:16 PM)Gpx90210 Wrote:  1. Hardly any of the girls speak English.
2. Women are vastly fat and ugly.
3. Everything is expensive.
4. Women are cold and standoffish.

I could write an entire dataaheet why this place sucks but I won't waste my breath. 10 years ago maybe. Now? It's total shit.

1. Agreed... It had a much much lower percentage of English speakers than I was expecting. In my case I just spoke in broken Spanish (a much more beautiful language), and that helped on some occasions... Yes of course, you can try to learn some Brazilian Portuguese... but the point is, not everyone has the time or willpower to invest months and years to studiously learning this abrasive language just for a booty safari.
2. Agreed... The diet in Brazil is full of sugar making arses ginormous... They are quite "bottom heavy" in proportion to their upper body. Too many "watermelon butts" and fankles... I will say that there are many beautiful women, in the right circles and niches of course e.g. in high-society etc but the average girl on the street is disappointing IMO (especially considering all the hype around Brasileiras).
3. Agreed... The cost of living is quite high relative to the salaries that the locals earn.
4. I disagree... Some women have bad attitudes such as anywhere, but there is a culture of women being warm, affectionate and cariñosa, similar to other latin cultures. Maybe the reason some women are cold and standoffish is because Brazilian men use highly sexualised aggressive caveman-game on girls there, so women have their defences up.

Post: #29

Firstly, I am in São Paulo. Which I hear is the worst city from multiple people. My initial impressions are based on São Paulo. This place is total shit. Should you come here? Absolutely fucking not.

Why does São Paulo suck? The women act 10x worse than they do in LA. I would rather be in LA than São Paulo.

Does Brazil have potential? Quite possibly. But it's no where near in comparison to SEA or even Mexico. Both of those places are way better.

Also, I am a blunt dude and I don't bullshit. I Will tell you the truth about a city.

I'm flying out to Rio ASAP. Will update.

As a side note: met up with travel museums. I can verify his authenticity. He's a decent guy. Are we best friends. No. But would I hang with him? Absolutely.

Post: #30

^

Please hit Belo Horizonte and the north for attitude comparisons.

Loving the thread.

Post: #31

Rio should be more welcoming to a gringo. A bit more dangerous though.

Post: #32

Where have you gone out in São Paulo?
the posh clubs in Itaim bibi?

Or the hippy bars in Augusta?

These places are just like places in NYC and LA. Doesn't really have the authentic Brazilian vibe.

Also are you rolling solo and doing tinder?
These are bad options for Brazil as it's more of a social thing to go out there. Maybe get in touch the the hostel crowd or the Cs crowd as they do tend to go out a lot.

Post: #33

(07-08-2017 03:18 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  Cattle Rustler we need more datasheets from guys that went somewhere and had a bad time to get a balanced view. Because on Rooshv there is a tendency every time someone is negative about a place for others to tell them it's there fault or call them a loser, etc So we get this distorted picture where its mostly only guys that liked a place that talk about it because the guys that dislike a place get criticized. We should always hear both sides.

(07-08-2017 04:30 AM)SanMiguel Wrote:  I don't see the problem in judging a place on Tinder girls, especially if you don't speak the language it's the best option for girls that are open to foreigners and more likely to speak English. Only 20% I talked to on there spoke zero English and even so a few still wanted to meet.

There's nothing wrong with a negative posts about a place but they need to be much more specific - doesn't even mention where he went, how long, what he tried etc. This just reads like a whiny schoolgirl on her period.

(07-08-2017 06:56 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  I am just saying that in my personal experience that all things being equal negative feedback is more likely to be accurate than positive feedback and I tend to pay more attention and give more weight to negative feedback but I do consider both negative and positive. At the end of the day you still need to take many variables into account and can't base your decision to visit a place based on what one or two guys on the internet say.

I am just making the point that sometimes there is too much false Tony Robins style B.S. positivism on Rooshv and the "complainers" help balance it out and keep it real.

(07-08-2017 07:18 AM)YMD Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:55 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Why would anyone want to read a datasheet about someone having a bad time?

I'm not challenging you, Cattle Ruster, but it could be worth reading his experiences, as long as his arguments are reasonable.

In my view, some people on this forum have a tendency to glorify travelling, claiming that foreign girls are cuter, sexier or easier than their horrible counterparts in their countries.
Still, we can't forget that travelling is a costly and time consuming endeavour.

Someone having a bad time would give us more critical viewpoints, which can be more beneficial than listening to someone saying "In ____, I slept with ___ girls withing just ___ days!"

Again, critical opinions are beneficial only when they are reasonable.

I mixed my words up. You guys are right, reports about trips that didn't go well are okay, and it's nice to have a different perspective.

What I meant to say is "I don't want to read a report with a pessimistic or defeatist attitude written in absolutes". This is the point you guys are missing, YMD pointed it out

Going online and saying "this place suckzzz guyz, don't go there!" is just well, dumb. Ditto for "All girlz in X suck cuz I didn't get laid" I don't want Tony Robbins shit, I don't to read little boy bitchin'.

OP talks about fat and ugly girls. He probably went on Tinder, I saw the same for Rio and Curitiba. There are a bunch of hot and skinny girls in Brazil. How do I know? Reports from others, searching for Brazil on Tinder and Match. Girls are not standoffish from my online approaches, shit even one girl was open to me impregnating her. I would have done it too based on her damn curves, good thing she is far away. Most are warm and I transition to WhatsApp quickly.

Girls don't speak English? Good. I'm sure if they did OP would complain they are westernized. Either way, you're in their country buddy and Ukrainians don't speak English as much iehter. It's expensive? That's been talked about on the forum, so OP should know.

But calling a country shit just because you didn't approach Brazil correctly is NOT the way to go. You didn't even tell us what you did. You opted to throw a pissy fit and just blurt out absolutes. Bill Brasky put it best, you need to get it together. Instead of having a bad time you should have analyzed what is going wrong, what you can do to change about it, and do a "test and trial". Girls can sniff a guys attitude from a mile away. Half of the battle is your attitude and mindset. Can't have good times if you in thinking all your having are bad times.

Brosemite has a great time there every time he's been there. Dude gets laid, created a good social circle, and from what I've seen...no fatties around him.

Post: #34

^^^

There are multiple reasons why this place is trash. I said it has potential. But for the vast majority of roosh members (traveling solo and for a short period of time) yes, it's shit.

I will post a detailed analysis linked to this post literally less than a week after I return if not the same day.

Post: #35

I lived in Florianópolis for almost two years. If you have money, say $50k USD per year, your quality of life is tremendous. I was not making nearly that much, yet I had a blast. That city was like the Cannes of France, Miami of USA, etc, so it was major league talent- high-level game necessary.

Two Tales
My boss was pulling in $100k USD. Multiple first dates per week, 3 bedroom penthouse on the beach- his place eventually became our office, enough for 5 people to work in comfort. It was inspirational. He was a latin dude from Virginia.

Another guy I knew from Gold Coast.. Surfer, blonde curly hair, blue eyes, funny, charismatic, loaded, 3 month trip to Floripa. Typical foreigner that normally slays in Floripa. He got laid once by the time he left. His game just was not there.

How To Win
Traditional pickup does not work in Brasil. I constantly blew leads by not being aggressive enough. It was infuriating. I learned from watching the local surfers with $15k salary, living at home, no car, no real prospects ; they'd go caveman and clean house. Amazing.

Top Notch If You Can Hack It
Granted, bureaucracy is shit, business and regulations are frustrating, education and work-ethic are below-average. It rains when it's hot.

Conservative, feminine, wealthy, european brasilian women are among the best subgroup of any place I've been. They all studied to be nurses but did not need to actually work, and did not.

Post: #36

(07-09-2017 12:28 AM)Stakes Is High Wrote:  Two Tales
My boss was pulling in $100k USD. Multiple first dates per week, 3 bedroom penthouse on the beach- his place eventually became our office, enough for 5 people to work in comfort. It was inspirational. He was a latin dude from Virginia.

Another guy I knew from Gold Coast.. Surfer, blonde curly hair, blue eyes, funny, charismatic, loaded, 3 month trip to Floripa. Typical foreigner that normally slays in Floripa. He got laid once by the time he left. His game just was not there.

Women from Southern Brazil are weary about coming off as "easy" to westerners perceived to be from developed first world countries. There is also the issue of needing Portuguese knowledge as well.

In order to have more consistent dates, it's very important to have a car because it's just greater ammunition to maneuver around more effectively. It's like having more bullets opposed to ball & chain being stuck in a certain bubble with difficulty leaving it as frequently as you would need to get those higher quantities of dates.

(07-09-2017 12:28 AM)Stakes Is High Wrote:  How To Win
Traditional pickup does not work in Brasil. I constantly blew leads by not being aggressive enough. It was infuriating. I learned from watching the local surfers with $15k salary, living at home, no car, no real prospects ; they'd go caveman and clean house. Amazing.

This part is quite tricky. If you're from a developed western country, it's going to be harder using caveman style on chicks. Local Brazilian men can be as aggressive as they want & get great results because local women don't have that insecurity of coming off easy to them. It's really an unfortunate double standard if you think about it.

It's why I started to lie towards my last couple months and saying I was straight up from Asia opposed to North America. It was really my way of disarming them so that they'd think I would live in Brazil for the long-term. My results weren't necessarily bad when mentioning the whole US part..it was just exponentially better when I said from Asia. It sure helps to have confident interactions in their language as well.

(BTW, I lost a LOT of notches saying that I was from the US starting off. The whole irony is that Brazilian men always told me to profess my actual nationality as an advantage though it never really was)

(07-09-2017 12:28 AM)Stakes Is High Wrote:  Top Notch If You Can Hack It
Conservative, feminine, wealthy, european brasilian women are among the best subgroup of any place I've been. They all studied to be nurses but did not need to actually work, and did not.

I knew a lot of women from well off families that didn't need to...yet they still worked. Primarily government jobs requiring endless studying & tests needed for promotions & the most desired positions. I met/boned dentists/doctors/interior designers that well...obviously worked due to their rigorous education endured in the past.

Post: #37

(07-08-2017 07:59 AM)Ringo Wrote:  There's just too much going on - violence, corruption, scamming, bureaucracy, "jeitinho" (our way to bend rules when necessary), and so on.

You're exactly describing Colombia, my native country; specially with regards to the jeitinho and bureaucracy, a thing who's very common with the Colombian Government in every level conceivable.

(07-08-2017 07:59 AM)Ringo Wrote:  My biggest frustration with Brazil is seeing how my family (every adult on both sides is a business owner) works so hard but they always seem to be spinning on their wheels - again, "Brazil is not for beginners"... Ever since some relatives moved to the US, however, it's clear as day how much their efforts result in financial progress.

I have the same frustration with my country. Hard work in Colombia is very worthless and you can't get out of a financial rut easily.

For the beginners here, I can only say the following thing here: Don't travel to a foreign country only for its women; travel to enjoy the culture, the places and in general to enjoy the good things that a particular country can give you. Girls are a nice hobby but they can't be the main thing in your travels.

I understand your situation OP, but it's not a reason to speak bad about a country.

Cheers.

Post: #38

(07-09-2017 08:43 PM)DrCotard Wrote:  [quote='Ringo' pid='1607920' dateline='1499518743']


For the beginners here, I can only say the following thing here: Don't travel to a foreign country only for its women; travel to enjoy the culture, the places and in general to enjoy the good things that a particular country can give you. Girls are a nice hobby but they can't be the main thing in your travels.

I understand your situation OP, but it's not a reason to speak bad about a country.

Cheers.

said perfectly....

Post: #39

What did you think about the tinder quality in São Paulo?

I know not everyone supports online game but I did some Tinder swiping (with Boost) and got around 50 matches in 30 min. Some numbers from some cute girls and active convos going. Going to push to meet as soon as possible.. None do speak English or they speak very little so in person willl be a hurdle.

Post: #40

Ban this idiot.

Post: #41

^^ Bit harsh, it was a pathetic post - whiny, no details/value... but I'm very interested how he does in Rio, could change his mind on Brazil. I've never been to SP but from what I heard it sounds like a completely different country to Rio - not just the women, the people's attitudes in general, the cities themselves are geographically very different, the weather etc. I hope he enjoys it as much as I did.

Post: #42

Every city in Brazil is easy and even if they don't speak great English, you can bang with the most basic Portunol. There are hundreds of thousands of girls on every dating site and they're very receptive in the clubs/day game. Truly pathetic post.

Post: #43

(07-12-2017 04:45 AM)ProGambler Wrote:  Every city in Brazil is easy and even if they don't speak great English, you can bang with the most basic Portunol. There are hundreds of thousands of girls on every dating site and they're very receptive in the clubs/day game. Truly pathetic post.

That sounds like an exaggerated troll comment coming from a poster with no rep points and only 33 posts. There are plenty of experienced forum members who have pointed out that certain cities in Brazil are difficult, especially so for some guys who speak only basic Spanish or Portuguese it will be a struggle if they pick the wrong cities. Get some credibility under your belt before making unsubstantiated and offensive accusations against long standing and well repped forum members.

Post: #44

[quote='RBerkley' pid='1607662' dateline='1499476105']
:question:Where you went in Brasil? If you went to Sao Paulo, otherwise known as the Feminazi Emirate of South America like its partner Buenos Aires in Argentina, I'd understand where you're coming from.
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[quote='Ringo' pid='1607920' dateline='1499518743']

There's a great quote by Tom Jobim I always think about when I read threads like these: "Brazil is not for begginners". That's even more so for big cities like São Paulo and Rio.

There's just too much going on - violence, corruption, scamming, bureaucracy, "jeitinho" (our way to bend rules when necessary), and so on."

I always do my best to reply when guys coming over PM me or post in the SP thread because I know how difficult and bleak this town can be when you're going to the wrong places, see no girls worth spending time with all the while your wallet is getting drained. Believe me, I'm a local and I sometimes go through these stints myself.

New guys: you can KILL here. But don't come expecting to be worshipped as a God for the simple fact you're here.


[/quote]

[quote='Stakes Is High' pid='1608331' dateline='1499578092']
I lived in Florianópolis for almost two years. If you have money, say $50k USD per year, your quality of life is tremendous. I was not making nearly that much, yet I had a blast. That city was like the Cannes of France, Miami of USA, etc, so it was major league talent- high-level game necessary.

Another guy I knew from Gold Coast.. Surfer, blonde curly hair, blue eyes, funny, charismatic, loaded, 3 month trip to Floripa. Typical foreigner that normally slays in Floripa. He got laid once by the time he left. His game just was not there.

How To Win
Traditional pickup does not work in Brasil. I constantly blew leads by not being aggressive enough. It was infuriating. I learned from watching the local surfers with $15k salary, living at home, no car, no real prospects ; they'd go caveman and clean house. Amazing.

Post: #45

the post above is a collection of quotes from experienced and well repped forum members who posted on this thread. Yes they said you can do well in the right location, with the right game, with decent language ability and lots of approaching, but they did not try to make it sound like the Philippines of south America like you do.

Post: #46

(07-08-2017 07:59 AM)Ringo Wrote:  My biggest frustration with Brazil is seeing how my family (every adult on both sides is a business owner) works so hard but they always seem to be spinning on their wheels - again, "Brazil is not for beginners"... Ever since some relatives moved to the US, however, it's clear as day how much their efforts result in financial progress.

I was at a co-working space in Vila Madalena the other week and at 7PM easily 80% of the co-workers were still there. In similiar environments in the US and Europe this number would be 10%.

In Brazil you have to be rich to approximate the lifestyle of a middle class European or American (decent healthcare, education, housing, safety, etc), and its incredibly hard to make it here without connections.

Post: #47

In Brazil it is who you know like in many Latin American countries. I m not sure what your family does but I know a lot of my friends there are working top notch jobs for us multinationals, such as amazon, western digital etc. They are very well connected though and speak good English, some worked in the us for the same company and decided to come back but not all.

Post: #48

Tons of Brazilians in Australia where I'm at. Cleaning up. And they speak English too. Brazilians are some of my favourite people.

Post: #49

I've visited many cities in Brazil. If you're looking for good looking girls, head south (Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul) where the girls have European genes. Girls are thousands times prettier and more receptive since they're not used to foreigners like girls from Rio or Sao Paulo. Go to 2nd tier cities from south and you'll love it. A German friend of mine made a tattoo resembling the south!

Post: #50

Rio and São Paulo sucks.

If you want to come to Brazil avoid those two cities. I'd go to Belo Horizonte or South like Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul state.