Post: #26

Don't you guys ever hang out and talk to older guys in their 60s and hear about the glory days after the invention of the pill (early 60s) up until the AIDs scare (early 80s)? It was a raw dogger's paradise, there's no way its better to date now then it was in that twenty year stretch of sex, drugs and rock n roll!

Post: #27

To put my experience in perspective, the last time I went downtown, one girl, who was walking with her boyfriend, made eye contact, held it, and yelled out at me, "Hot Stuff!" as I walked past.

Another girl, same night, same scenario, walking with a guy (probably her boyfriend, but not sure, he didn't have his arm around her like the first), yelled out "Hey, Casanova!"

Even a guy stopped me that night when he walked by me, looked me up and down and said, "You're perfect."

I'm about 6'1" tall, my hair is not too long, not too short, I rarely go to the gym, but I have a naturally athletic build, and I would rate my face as generally attractive, but not perfect by any means.

If I go out once or twice a week with the intent to get laid, I generally get laid once every three weeks, because I'm not too outgoing, but I can hold my own. I actually did that for several months once, until I decided it was just a matter of time before I got an STD and cut that out. The quality was between 4.5 and 7.5. Not a single one was obese, but there were two with a little extra. Judging by the posts in the threads like "what do you think a 10 is," my rating scale is more selective than most, by far. Still, I can say with certainty there were a few I would not have slept with had I been 100% sober.

That said, I got very little satisfaction from that. I won't say I got no satisfaction, because that's not true, there's some nights I'll never forget in there, but overall, the late nights, the drama, the overall time investment, and ultimately, the lack of finding a girl that was girlfriend-material, it wore me out. You can only have a shit-eating grin for so long when you're eating actual shit.

During that time I came upon the forum and eventually decided to quit my job and travel abroad to see if there really were places with women that weren't basically weaker, smaller men that speak in sarcasm, have a vagina, take no responsibility for their actions, lack a capacity for self-reflection, age really quickly, and make you age really quickly as well if you spend too much time around them.

What ruined me was, one, my amazing mother, and two, that I once dated a girl that was the daughter of immigrants here in America, and after dating her, it was like she was in color and full of flavor and every girl before and after was in black and white and had no taste whatsoever. They were prison gruel and she was prime rib. Once you get used to prime rib, you won't eat prison gruel willingly. You might go back to it if you're starving, as I was, but once you find out there's a place serving prime rib, even if it's halfway across the planet, a certain kind of man will do everything he can to traverse the globe.

Some men will stay here and try different varieties of gruel, extolling the virtues of one type over another. To be fair, most guys in America will never taste prime rib, metaphorically speaking, as their best example of a quality woman is the single mother that spawned them and raised them to hate themselves simply for being men, like their father, and inherently flawed in her view. So they simply don't know any better, and I can't be too hard on them, it's one thing to be told how prime rib tastes, it's another entirely to taste it.

In any case, there really are places where feminine women exist, and if you're a masculine man, once you go to these places, your life will never be the same. See: Returning from Abroad with PSAD.

In my scenario, I'm already 50% location independent, and I'm using the next 18 to 24 months to become 100% location independent.

My whole life after engaging the forum several years ago, from thinking something was wrong with me and if I could just say or do the right things I could get girls (the game approach), to succeeding with that but needing to booze myself up in order to make being around shitty human beings more palatable, to succeeding in that and realizing the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze, to moving abroad and seeing for myself that just being myself, just being a healthy, tall, good looking, successful guy with good intentions and good character, was far more than enough, my whole life after that series of events, has been focused on becoming location independent.

At this point, I'm so close to paradise here on earth, my greatest fear is dying and going to heaven prematurely.

Big shoutout to Scotian, Onto, Fisto, CleanSlate, Cr33pin, Suits, VacancierPermanent, BeyondBorders, DirectDanger, iKnowExactly, and Roosh, of course, for all their groundwork while I was doing my own groundwork abroad. It was a team effort, but fuck, guys, one day every one of us will have a shit-eating grin while we look out across the ocean with a beauty snuggled up under our arm, raising a toast to the rest, each of us understanding what it really fucking takes to get there, to recreate the world in our image.

A big shoutout also to every other guy on the forum who I haven't had the opportunity to interact with yet, or who I have, but just missed on that list off the top of my head.

Here's to creating our own, personal paradise here on earth, guys, and to the self-improvement it takes to get there.

Post: #28

So, the video claims it's the best time in history to "date" and to back this up he observes how so many people are becoming fake, vapid narcissists.

Am I the only one who reacted, "Uhhh... come again?"

May be the best time for notch counts, but for marriage and children, likely the worst time ever.

Post: #29

(06-20-2017 07:42 AM)Slam Wrote:  May be the best time for notch counts, but for marriage and children, likely the worst time ever.

Yep, I definitely agree with this. Since I am only into new notches now, I'm cleaning up. But if I was interested in marriage and starting a family? In this current environment? Fuck...talk about a bleak outlook. I'm depressed even thinking about it.

Finding a wife for marriage in 2017 is the new 'Hard Mode'.

Post: #30

As a black man, definitely now is better than any other time in history. For white dudes in the west, probably not.

Post: #31

^Growing up in the 80s and 90s, the black music scene was pumping and in full effect. Almost every girl was into the music.

If you could breakdance you got tons of pussy.

If you had jheri curls you got tons of pussy.

Those days were so good I could almost cry, you didn't need game. Maybe a few cheesy lyrics and a bad attitude, the girl would be in love.

I probably could do a whole thread on how the music changed society.

When that bling nonsense and gangsta rap came out, socially things changed.

Today is better, simply because we can travel to places that were unheard of before. I myself have been to Iceland three times, even have the flag.
If you had told me that I would go to Iceland a decade a go, I would have looked at you strange.

Post: #32

It's much easier to date in 2017 than it was in the 1980s through the 2000s. Your marriage is also less likely to end in divorce.

Online dating almost exclusively used to be fat and crazy girls. They're still the most active users, and online dating is still not as good as meeting women in real life, but it's definitely better than it was in the past. There are a lot more attractive girls using the app today, and you're more likely to meet up with one now than you were ten years ago. In 2005, only 43% of online daters had actually met with someone; in 2016, it was 66%. If you aren't meeting girls who are around your level of attractiveness, you need to improve your profile or photos. If you don't like dating apps, don't use them. But it's just not true that most guys can't be successful with online dating or that dating in general is ruined because of the 15% of Americans (27% of 18- to 24-year-olds) who have used a dating app through a cellphone. It's probably best for men who work/study a lot or are uncomfortable talking to women in real life.

About long-term relationships - divorce rates are down from the 1980s and 1990s. That was the worst period in history to be a married man. Most men either had an increasingly fat American wife or got divorced. Today, it's easier than ever to become location-independent and date in EE, SA, and SEA (with cheaper flights). You can even meet a bunch online before leaving the country. Another option is to date foreign girls living in the U.S., since there are a lot more here today than there were decades ago. American women are often good too, but large American cities were never the best places to find a wife. In smaller cities and towns, women are much more likely to be relationship-minded.

There's definitely an obesity problem in the U.S., but most of those women got fat after getting married and having kids. Don't let your wife eat fattening foods. While you're single, forget about fat feminists with blue hair and talk to thin girls in dresses.

Post: #33

(06-20-2017 01:53 PM)NomadicDrunk Wrote:  It's much easier to date in 2017 than it was in the 1980s through the 2000s.

Dating isn't good for sex. Dating now benefits primarily women, not men. The sexual market place has become totally skewed in their favor.

Dating is great only for women, the small % of men blessed with genetics that minimize the need for game, and the other small % of men who despite their genetics, claw their way into the top 10% through some combination of money/status/game.

For the other 90% of men shit ain't sweet.

Post: #34

(06-20-2017 01:53 PM)NomadicDrunk Wrote:  It's much easier to date in 2017 than it was in the 1980s through the 2000s. Your marriage is also less likely to end in divorce.

Did you date in those times?

I did and can tell you it was much easier than today. There was no online dating and you didn't need a six pack, centrally located apartment etc.

Back in those days, a phone number was a girl's home number. Girls flaking on a date was non existent.

A phone number means nothing today, even if it is the right number.

Divorce is much higher today.

Chances are if you get married today, it will not last.

This forum and the amount of newbies that join daily, should tell you dating is harder today.

Post: #35

(06-20-2017 02:03 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 01:53 PM)NomadicDrunk Wrote:  It's much easier to date in 2017 than it was in the 1980s through the 2000s.

Dating isn't good for sex. Dating now benefits primarily women, not men. The sexual market place has become totally skewed in their favor.

Dating is great only for women, the small % of men blessed with genetics that minimize the need for game, and the other small % of men who despite their genetics, claw their way into the top 10% through some combination of money/status/game.

For the other 90% of men shit ain't sweet.

I agree to a certain extent. As a data driven guy, the numbers don't lie. BGS IBMOR did a demographic breakdown that was very interesting. I'll post the link in the Roundtable Topic.

Post: #36

Is the glass half full or half empty?

It makes sense to say that now is the easiest time to 'date', but you have to adapt to how things work now. You don't need game at all to get women these days and if you have game in any social situation you are at the top of the food chain, provided you are surrounded by people who aren't too much higher than you in status.

When businesses saw that people are being absorbed by their phones and social media, they went into social media and now even smaller businesses can market at little cost. They ADAPTED. The same thing is now being done for game now. 10-20 years ago all the sex was being hogged by guys with game and good looks. People who are less fortunate now get a leg up if they have something to showcase. I mean, the man Vinny is busy automating game for people of in the IG side. In what other era could a regular Joe get his game laid out by someone else in the background?

Post: #37

^The glass is half empty and leaking.

Did you date 20 years ago? Were you born 20 years ago?

The statement you made about "10-20 years ago all the sex being hogged by guys with game and good looks", tells me you are very young.

It is okay to talk about business and adapting, sure many have and many have gone under.

We are talking about women.

Look at the amount of women that are fat, way more now than twenty years ago. When I say fat, that covers a large demographic of women that are a few pounds overweight to the many that are obese. It isn't too hard to find a woman that is over 250llb where I live in Canada and I know down south (America) has a large supply of them.

The average female is 160llb in America, that is heavy. I am 200lb and don't relish the idea of carrying a woman who is 40llb less than me in weight.

I was in a Starbucks yesterday, a bunch of high school girls came in to buy the usual frappacino drink. It was a hot day and some girls were wearing jean shorts, a few of these girls shouldn't have been wearing jean shorts. The cellulite was very visible and again there was a obese girl in the group, wearing jean shorts. It was like watching dead bodies decapitated, you don't want to look but you cannot help but look.

When I was in high school, I don't recall seeing cellulite on any girl.

I have never dated a girl with cellulite, I have dated women as old as 40.

If you are into fat chicks then you won't have a problem, I don't like fat chicks.

I am not a negative person by nature but I could go on and on about this.

I meet single moms who think they have options. I meet older chicks (+45) who think they got options.

Yes, Vinny is using IG to adapt his game. He also travels all over the globe and is one of the most travelled guys on this forum.
IG is a great tool to meet women, but like any online tool it has a downside. Cute girls thinking they are going to be famous or thinking they look cute with those dumb dog nose/ears pics they post.

Post: #38

Yeah, I'm just about fed up with online dating also. It's so slow now, even when I re make my profiles. I get maybe a handful of OK looking girls every week and I use a handful of Apps..so not a good ratio.

The thrill of approaching in person is really exciting, I'm glad that I'm over this online dating phase.


With that being said, it's still a good supplement, if I was in a better location I'm sure I'd get more girls via online dating.

Post: #39

(06-20-2017 02:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Back in those days, a phone number was a girl's home number. Girls flaking on a date was non existent.

A phone number means nothing today, even if it is the right number.

So. Much. This!

Seriously, it used to be that if you got a girl's number, it meant something. You were almost certain to at least see her again. These days it means diddly squat. Girls will give out their number just to get rid of you!

Texting/calling is now seen as archaic, even invasive by some and many don't even use that as their primary means of communicating. It's all been carried over to any number of apps - Snapchat/Instagram/FB Messenger/Kik/Whatsapp etc. And each girl will have her favorite app - I've noticed the same girl being way more responsive on one over the other, for instance.

Post: #40

(06-21-2017 12:49 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 02:06 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Back in those days, a phone number was a girl's home number. Girls flaking on a date was non existent.

A phone number means nothing today, even if it is the right number.

So. Much. This!

Seriously, it used to be that if you got a girl's number, it meant something. You were almost certain to at least see her again. These days it means diddly squat. Girls will give out their number just to get rid of you!

Texting/calling is now seen as archaic, even invasive by some and many don't even use that as their primary means of communicating. It's all been carried over to any number of apps - Snapchat/Instagram/FB Messenger/Kik/Whatsapp etc. And each girl will have her favorite app - I've noticed the same girl being way more responsive on one over the other, for instance.

Damn I'm barely in my late 20s and this shit is making me nostalgic. I was in middle/high school when cell phones got big but I still remember calling girl's houses and speaking to their parents so I could get them on the phone... By the time I was an adult, cell phones were huge obviously.

I can't imagine being a grown adult in the 90s fuck man I was born in the wrong generation. Back when social media didn't exist, feminism was focused in the black community and not mainstream society, homosexuality/transgenderism wasn't constantly promoted, and going out at night to get laid was actually a thing for average guys and not just the top 20%.

Fuckin A rudebwoy speaks nothing but truth.

Post: #41

(06-21-2017 12:38 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  Yeah, I'm just about fed up with online dating also. It's so slow now, even when I re make my profiles. I get maybe a handful of OK looking girls every week and I use a handful of Apps..so not a good ratio.

The thrill of approaching in person is really exciting, I'm glad that I'm over this online dating phase.


With that being said, it's still a good supplement, if I was in a better location I'm sure I'd get more girls via online dating.

Exactly, a good supplement.

If you were in a better location, you wouldn't need online.

Post: #42

Yup I remember going to bars and getting chicks numbers was a big deal. You'd have to find the waitress or ask the bartender for a pen and then scribble it down on a bar napkin or piece of scrap paper. Then god forbid if you lost the goddamn thing by the next day (happened a few times to me). Times were definitely simpler back then. Hell that's how I met a few of my old gfs and my ex wife.

Post: #43

(06-21-2017 09:20 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The statement you made about "10-20 years ago all the sex being hogged by guys with game and good looks", tells me you are very young.

I am not "very young". I skated off "high SMV" with nice guy game (which is really no game at all) from teen years till about 23. I went through a rough patch all the way to my late twenties when girls no longer approached me and I had neither sound game nor good logistics.

I am also very picky with women, being spoilt from prior years, so that didn't help things at all.

Where I live obesity is not as big a problem as it is in North America. Ludacris did say "The best women all reside in Africa" on Pimping All Over The World. So the quality is very good if you know where to look, both online and IRL.

Now that I understand the nuances of both real life and online game, I have more women on call than I could ever realistically attend to. My PERSONAL view is that now is easier than ever.

Post: #44

(06-21-2017 07:21 PM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  Now that I understand the nuances of both real life and online game, I have more women on call than I could ever realistically attend to. My PERSONAL view is that now is easier than ever.

Yeah but this thread started due to the video posted about why NOW is objectively the best time to date which many people are saying just isn't true. For you to now move the goalposts and say it's only your PERSONAL view due to the fact you have better game is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

That would be like if in 2008 when the housing crisis tanked the US economy if I said NOW is the best time economically because I somehow PERSONALLY profited off the crash, while millions of people lost their homes, livelihoods, and entire life savings. It would be a totally absurd, and objectively untrue statement.

I don't agree with your original post that now is the best time. The manosphere, redpill, and forums like this wouldn't even exist if times were good for men. Even average guys would be satisfied and able to date successfully instead of every guy competing to be top 10% just for a chance.

Post: #45

(06-21-2017 08:07 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  The manosphere, redpill, and forums like this wouldn't even exist if times were good for men. Even average guys would be satisfied and able to date successfully instead of every guy competing to be top 10% just for a chance.

Couldn't have said it any better!

Notice how he contradicts himself by saying he skated by on nice game and girls approaching him.
Well guess what, I coasted on that as well for a long time. Being nice and dressing well was all you needed.

Nowadays, I got to give girls the serial killer stare and then they become real interested. Any hint of nice guy, will have them running for the hills.

Post: #46

(06-21-2017 08:17 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 08:07 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  The manosphere, redpill, and forums like this wouldn't even exist if times were good for men. Even average guys would be satisfied and able to date successfully instead of every guy competing to be top 10% just for a chance.

Couldn't have said it any better!

Notice how he contradicts himself by saying he skated by on nice game and girls approaching him.
Well guess what, I coasted on that as well for a long time. Being nice and dressing well was all you needed.

Nowadays, I got to give girls the serial killer stare and then they become real interested. Any hint of nice guy, will have them running for the hills.

Absolutely, it's nuts, if you try to be a decent human being here in the U.S., it's like you're wearing chick-repellent. I'm not talking about being a pushover, I'm talking about being just neutral. In America, I basically have to insult my way into a woman's pants. Two American girls have said this right before I had a one night stand with them (separately), this exact phrase:

"Spaniard88, you're a jerk! A charming jerk!"

I will say that for certain girls (sorority girls still in college or right out of college), I don't have to insult them. Some are straight up party girls, but there's also the serious type, and that's who I'm talking about. They seem to be much more down to earth than regular girls, at least in my experience with them. Some of you guys might find that surprising, but these girls usually come from two parent homes and have a family history that's more stable than most, so I think that's why I actually vibe with them really well.

On the other hand, in some countries abroad, even light teasing can put a girl off and make her think you're socially off. There, I can just be neutral, and that's fine.

It all has to do with how many approaches a girl's getting, if she's a 7 in the West, she's flooded with approaches and is, for all intents and purposes, treated like a 9 or 10 in countries with a normal weight distribution. So then it helps to throw her off balance with some "charming jerk" game. I'm actually fine with it, there's a part of my personality that's naturally "charming jerk," but sometimes girls need more of that than I'm willing to give, to a point where they need an asshole in order to feel like they're with the right guy, and I'm just not at a place where I want to be in that mindset every day in order to be with a mentally subpar girl.

It is what it is.

Post: #47

(06-21-2017 08:07 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:21 PM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  Now that I understand the nuances of both real life and online game, I have more women on call than I could ever realistically attend to. My PERSONAL view is that now is easier than ever.

Yeah but this thread started due to the video posted about why NOW is objectively the best time to date which many people are saying just isn't true. For you to now move the goalposts and say it's only your PERSONAL view due to the fact you have better game is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

That would be like if in 2008 when the housing crisis tanked the US economy if I said NOW is the best time economically because I somehow PERSONALLY profited off the crash, while millions of people lost their homes, livelihoods, and entire life savings. It would be a totally absurd, and objectively untrue statement.

I don't agree with your original post that now is the best time. The manosphere, redpill, and forums like this wouldn't even exist if times were good for men. Even average guys would be satisfied and able to date successfully instead of every guy competing to be top 10% just for a chance.

He said it was his personal view. He's entitled to his opinion. Maybe he is in the top 10% of guys that is supposedly getting all the girls. A lot of guys believe that the current culture exploits women's hypergamy and creates a winner take all atmosphere, so his opinion is not only valid but it's something that has been talked about on the manosphere for several years.

As far as being "intellectually dishonest", most of this thread is intellectually dishonest because Matthew Hussey's video said "now is the best time to date" in the context of being a woman who has social skills because she isn't addicted to social media and her phone. He was talking to them, not us.

As Dantes said here, "True Red Pill awakening is accepting the world for what it is."

We have some challenges that didn't exist before but I would rather be alive now than in the times of small tribes of hunter-gatherers which make up most of human history. I would rather be in western culture now than be some poor kid in Africa or Asia who doesn't have Internet access and will never have the ability to get on a plane and travel to meet better women.

It's all a matter of perspective and nobody ever got their dick wet from winning an argument on the Internet.

Post: #48

(06-21-2017 08:07 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  Yeah but this thread started due to the video posted about why NOW is objectively the best time to date which many people are saying just isn't true. For you to now move the goalposts and say it's only your PERSONAL view due to the fact you have better game is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

Incorrect. Watch the video again. He is saying that while everybody else is stuck on dating apps, those who can unplug from the matrix (the red pill minority) will be better equipped.

It seems to me as though many of you just like complaining instead of adapting. You can't expect strategies from 20 years ago to be as effective today. Things change and that's why knowledge resources have newer editions to cover new developments and refine older outdated concepts. All the resources to make you part of that top 10% online and otherwise are available right here on this forum but y'all would rather pine over how much better the olden days were.

Post: #49

(06-22-2017 06:05 AM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  It seems to me as though many of you just like complaining instead of adapting. You can't expect strategies from 20 years ago to be as effective today. Things change and that's why knowledge resources have newer editions to cover new developments and refine older outdated concepts. All the resources to make you part of that top 10% online and otherwise are available right here on this forum but y'all would rather pine over how much better the olden days were.

Bro. None of us would be here if we weren't adapting. We'd all be MGTOW. This whole forum is a result of adapting to societal changes.

This entire forum is men coming together to discuss ways to succeed, what works, what doesn't work, trade tactics and ideas, etc. So what the fuck are you even talking about with your statement of old strategies and lack of adaptation ? All the men here on rooshvforum are exactly about that. This is literally a forum specifically made for this...

If I go outside and water is falling from the sky and I say "It's raining" is that complaining or is that a factual statement? Don't be out here trying to sneak diss people say what it is you want to say. I didn't agree with you and specifically said it and then I said why. I didn't come on here and say "well some guys do _________ and those guys need to _______". Don't be roundabout just stand by your words dude that's why earlier I said you were moving the goalposts. You got called out for what you said and then you try to say anyone who disagrees with you is complaining. I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore to be honest. Everytime someone responded to your post you changed what you were saying.

First you said now is the best time to date because of social media.

Then you said you meant it's the best time for you PERSONALLY cuz you learned game and got experience.

Now you're saying people who talk about the past are just complaining and can't adapt.

What are you trying to say?

Post: #50

(06-22-2017 12:20 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  First you said now is the best time to date because of social media.

Then you said you meant it's the best time for you PERSONALLY cuz you learned game and got experience.

(06-22-2017 06:05 AM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  He is saying that while everybody else is stuck on dating apps, those who can unplug from the matrix (the red pill minority) will be better equipped.

Once you know better (game) and see social media for the tool it is instead of mistaking it for reality you can exploit it and those who are absorbed in it. You can even pay someone on this forum a miniscule sum to make you a mini star and have thousands of women follow you. How much easier do you want things to be? I hope you can see how this connects those two points. If you don't let's just drop it.