Post: #51

(06-18-2017 09:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:08 AM)Suits Wrote:  ...
I have a client who is basically paying me to socialize her son. I come over once a week and make him and his friend touch raw meat and other seemingly terrifying things that they've never done in their 15 years of life experience.

Holy shit. God knows how they'd react to some of the stuff I have to do when out hunting.

I'm not tough guy myself, but seeing how pussified these teenagers were left me somewhat horrified.

All they've ever done is study, take piano lessons and play games on their phones. That's been their entire life.

Post: #52

One child policy and grilling study certainly did a lot of damage to Chinese masculinity and social skill.

However, as Chinese nationalism in on the rise, the old Chinese model of strict father, affectionate mother is starting to come back, and that helps:

How China’s fearsome Tiger Dads found their way back into fashion - Strict fathers are winning support as society resists rising Western influence to embrace traditional Chinese parenting style

Quote:He Yide has piloted a plane on the outskirts of Beijing, climbed most of the way up Japan’s freezing Mount Fuji, marched 100km across China’s dangerous Lop Desert and sailed a dinghy single-handed.

Yide is not some extreme sports enthusiast. He’s just a nine-year-old Chinese boy whose father has been training him to face the harsh realities of a tough life since he was a toddler.
Yide’s businessman father, He Liesheng, could be described as a “tiger dad”, although he prefers to be known as an “eagle dad”.

“Once an eaglet is old enough, [its eagle parent] cruelly pushes it from the nest off the cliff face,” he said. “During its fall, the eaglet must flap its wings and learn to fly, or perish.”
...

Aside from his physical feats, the boy also has an impressive collection of academic achievements. Under his father’s strict tutelage, Yide is already a national abacus champion, on track to getting a diploma in economic management from Nanjing University, and is spending his free time reading undergraduate-level economics textbooks. Nanjing University is one of China’s most prestigious tertiary institutions.
“My parenting technique has had a remarkable effect on Duoduo,” He told the Post, referring to his son by his nickname. “Duoduo is already reading Nanjing University’s economics textbooks, but he hasn’t lost the laughter that children his age have.”
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Yide’s father said he wanted his son to focus only on business-related subjects because the boy’s ambition was to become a businessman. Official curriculums wasted time on too many “useless” courses, He said.

“With that specific goal in mind, Duoduo will study all the subjects that a competent businessman needs,” He said, adding that Yide would skip the gaokao, China’s university entrance examinations, and focus on earning diplomas for self-taught students instead.
“Duoduo needs to earn diplomas in at least three more majors, such as human resource management,” he said. “Getting diplomas [by taking the exams for self-taught students] is the only feasible way for Duoduo now, since they impose no age restrictions [unlike the gaokao].”
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“Despite all the doubts over the years, there have been more and more parents supporting my parenting method,” He said, adding that many of the parents who put their children on his homeschooling programme were seeking a different route for their young ones.
“These children have changed so much in my school,” He said. “They are no longer addicted to computer games and they don’t delay doing their homework or use obscenities any more.”

There has been a resurgence in support for the more traditional way of parenting in Chinese society, researchers say.

“The traditional parenting style – strict fathers and affectionate mothers – has deep roots in the Chinese way of child-rearing,” said Chen Binbin, a psychologist from Fudan University’s school of social development and public policy.
In China, gentler and warmer styles of parenting – especially by fathers – are often associated with Western culture. Chinese society has in recent years reinforced the teaching and practising of traditional Chinese culture and values as people feared that too much Western influence after China’s reform and opening-up would lead to the loss of their own culture. For example, education authorities have instructed schools to do more to inculcate traditional values, and after-school classes teaching ancient Chinese literature and moral precepts have also gained popularity.

Ultimately, only a change in child policy and parenting style can meaningfully improve the situation. China looks like it is going in the right direction.

Post: #53

^^^Makes a great human interest story, but fathers like that are by far the exception.

Post: #54

(06-18-2017 10:39 AM)Suits Wrote:  ^^^Makes a great human interest story, but fathers like that are by far the exception.

So far, sure. But things are changing fast. Who know how things will look like for China 20 years from now on. As far as I am concerned, a positive trend has been set. The guy is successful at parenting, and the Chinese love to emulate those who are successful.

Post: #55

(06-18-2017 10:43 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:39 AM)Suits Wrote:  ^^^Makes a great human interest story, but fathers like that are by far the exception.

So far, sure. But things are changing fast. Who know how things will look like for China 20 years from now on. As far as I am concerned, a positive trend has been set. The guy is successful at parenting, and the Chinese love to emulate those who are successful.

How much time have you spent in China?

Post: #56

(06-18-2017 10:45 AM)Suits Wrote:  How much time have you spent in China?

I come there only occasionally, though I have more frequent interaction with Chinese overseas.

Post: #57

That story is cool, but I'm assuming daddy is rich as fuck. Just going to Japan takes a pretty penny for your average Chinese person. I also don't know many locals who can afford to teach their 9-year-old how to fly an airplane.

Not saying this isn't indicative of a shift, but I'm a bit skeptical of this example. America has 9-year-old geniuses as well, but that's hardly indicative of any real movement towards teaching 9-year-olds to be renaissance men.

IMO China will need to see much larger shifts in the way the country is run before 9-year-old super humans become the norm.

Like you said, the one-child policy is holding people back, but even if they were to just say "EVERYONE! START FUCKING AND HAVING AS MANY KIDS AS POSSIBLE" you'd still have millions of people who would scream back, "BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSE OR THE HOUKOU TO BRING OUR KIDS HERE!"

Post: #58

(06-18-2017 09:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 09:08 AM)Suits Wrote:  ...
I have a client who is basically paying me to socialize her son. I come over once a week and make him and his friend touch raw meat and other seemingly terrifying things that they've never done in their 15 years of life experience.

Holy shit. God knows how they'd react to some of the stuff I have to do when out hunting.

Hehe...well, damn, they'd better learn how to drink as well. A man's expected to be able to hold his drink.

Imagine if Leonard took one of these bastards to his local pub.

I thought of this right away...

Post: #59

(06-18-2017 11:01 AM)Fortis Wrote:  That story is cool, but I'm assuming daddy is rich as fuck. Just going to Japan takes a pretty penny for your average Chinese person. I also don't know many locals who can afford to teach their 9-year-old how to fly an airplane.

Not saying this isn't indicative of a shift, but I'm a bit skeptical of this example. America has 9-year-old geniuses as well, but that's hardly indicative of any real movement towards teaching 9-year-olds to be renaissance men.

IMO China will need to see much larger shifts in the way the country is run before 9-year-old super humans become the norm.

Like you said, the one-child policy is holding people back, but even if they were to just say "EVERYONE! START FUCKING AND HAVING AS MANY KIDS AS POSSIBLE" you'd still have millions of people who would scream back, "BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD THE HOUSE OR THE HOUKOU TO BRING OUR KIDS HERE!"

If you read the whole article, the trend isn't about teaching kids to be Renaissance men like the example given, but about inculcating traditional value about masculinity and provide life skills training for children. Boys don't have to be nigh-superhuman like that Duoduo kid, just well-honed enough to be masculine, well-rounded men. That is the shift that this trend is setting for. If more than a third of the population accomplish that modest target, it would still be a great success.

to requote some relevant part:

Quote:“These children have changed so much in my school,” He said. “They are no longer addicted to computer games and they don’t delay doing their homework or use obscenities any more.”

There has been a resurgence in support for the more traditional way of parenting in Chinese society, researchers say.

“The traditional parenting style – strict fathers and affectionate mothers – has deep roots in the Chinese way of child-rearing,” said Chen Binbin, a psychologist from Fudan University’s school of social development and public policy.
In China, gentler and warmer styles of parenting – especially by fathers – are often associated with Western culture. Chinese society has in recent years reinforced the teaching and practising of traditional Chinese culture and values as people feared that too much Western influence after China’s reform and opening-up would lead to the loss of their own culture. For example, education authorities have instructed schools to do more to inculcate traditional values, and after-school classes teaching ancient Chinese literature and moral precepts have also gained popularity.

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Also, it is in the government's 13th five years plan to make urban housing more affordable for migrants. We will see how that turns out by 2020. Personally I choose to be optimistic about China's future.

Quote:Goal six: the urbanization rate of permanent residents will reach 60 percent by 2020, and that of registered residents will reach 45 percent.

In the next five years, more migrant workers will be able to afford houses in urban areas and more children will be able to live with their migrant worker parents in cities. Those children will also be able to attend school in cities. Some will even be able to transfer their household registrations, and therefore enjoy the social welfare that their fellow citizens do.

The plan will accelerate the transfer of rural populations, reform the household registration system, and grant equal public services to rural people. There will also be incentives in place to help them integrate into urban life.

The plan emphasizes people-oriented urbanization. For example, small and medium-sized cities are encouraged to provide migrant workers with more job opportunities.

Post: #60

(06-18-2017 10:49 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 10:45 AM)Suits Wrote:  How much time have you spent in China?

I come there only occasionally, though I have more frequent interaction with Chinese overseas.

Send me a PM the next time you are in Beijing. Drinks are on me.

The current situation in China is like any third world country. Power is everything. There's no real belief in fair play or equality. Current standards of living are increased at the minimum rate necessary to prevent wide scale rioting or another "Cultural" revolution.

Sure, the rich can afford to give their children the education they choose, but for everyone else, the existing system is the only one they afford to consider.

Like any social system, the Chinese one is designed to punish people who threaten the existing power brokers, which is why HR reps, for example, won't take into consideration any work experience achieved before the completion of one's undergraduate degree.

Qualifications other than a university education will leave you flipping burgers in China, unless of course if your family is loaded.

The middle class, those would have the most to gain by collectively think differently, are the ones who can afford to do so the least. Business ownership by those with little money isn't uncommon at all in China, but it consists of just scrapping by.

Those who do not have money to fund little Duoduo's future as an entrepreneur would be confining Duoduo to a worse existence than he would be basically guaranteed by suffering through high school, writing the gaokou and doing all the other things he is supposed to.

Post: #61

(06-18-2017 11:22 AM)Suits Wrote:  Send me a PM the next time you are in Beijing. Drinks are on me.

Sure. Looking forward to it, bro.

Quote:The current situation in China is like any third world country. Power is everything. There's no real belief in fair play or equality. Current standards of living are increased at the minimum rate necessary to prevent wide scale rioting or another "Cultural" revolution.

Sure, the rich can afford to give their children the education they choose, but for everyone else, the existing system is the only one they afford to consider.

Like any social system, the Chinese one is designed to punish people who threaten the existing power brokers, which is why HR reps, for example, won't take into consideration any work experience achieved before the completion of one's undergraduate degree.

Qualifications other than a university education will leave you flipping burgers in China, unless of course if your family is loaded.

The middle class, those would have the most to gain by collectively think differently, are the ones who can afford to do so the least. Business ownership by those with little money isn't uncommon at all in China, but it consists of just scrapping by.

Those who do not have money to fund little Duoduo's future as an entrepreneur would be confining Duoduo to a worst existence than he would be basically guaranteed by suffering through high school, writing the gaokou and doing all the other things he is supposed to.

I agree with most of what you say here, but as I stated in my response to Fortis, the trend isn't about affording a Gaokao-free education, but about fathers taking up their traditional role to inculcate masculine value, discipline and life skills for their sons. Boys are supposedly play less video games and going for more physical sports and outdoor activities, honing social skills, etc... I believe it's affordable for a middle class lifestyle.

Post: #62

(06-18-2017 11:32 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:22 AM)Suits Wrote:  The current situation in China is like any third world country. Power is everything. There's no real belief in fair play or equality. Current standards of living are increased at the minimum rate necessary to prevent wide scale rioting or another "Cultural" revolution.

Sure, the rich can afford to give their children the education they choose, but for everyone else, the existing system is the only one they afford to consider.

Like any social system, the Chinese one is designed to punish people who threaten the existing power brokers, which is why HR reps, for example, won't take into consideration any work experience achieved before the completion of one's undergraduate degree.

Qualifications other than a university education will leave you flipping burgers in China, unless of course if your family is loaded.

The middle class, those would have the most to gain by collectively think differently, are the ones who can afford to do so the least. Business ownership by those with little money isn't uncommon at all in China, but it consists of just scrapping by.

Those who do not have money to fund little Duoduo's future as an entrepreneur would be confining Duoduo to a worst existence than he would be basically guaranteed by suffering through high school, writing the gaokou and doing all the other things he is supposed to.

I agree with most of what you say here, but as I stated in my response to Fortis, the trend isn't about affording a Gaokao-free education, but about fathers taking up their traditional role to inculcate masculine value, discipline and life skills for their sons. Boys are supposedly play less video games and going for more physical sports and outdoor activities, honing social skills, etc... I believe it's affordable for a middle class lifestyle.

From my position with boots on the ground, I'm not seeing this as a trend. It's certainly true of the ultra-rich, but simply not so with families that don't have millions to play with.

Those dads are too busy working their fucking asses off just to give their families a basic middle class income.

Post: #63

(06-18-2017 11:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  From my position with boots on the ground, I'm not seeing this as a trend. It's certainly true of the ultra-rich, but simply not so with families that don't have millions to play with.

Those dad's are too busy working their fucking asses off just to give their families a basic middle class income.

Well, I guess is that in 20 years, automation will become increasingly common and wide-reaching. Working hour will decrease sharply. (I'm also supposing that the Chinese government will be able to implement sufficient working scheme for the population). Fathers will not have to work as long to provide for the family. They will hence have more time to spend with their kids. The trend that starts with the upper class will start flowing into the middle class.

So I said, who know what China will looks like 20 years from now on. I choose to be optimistic.

Post: #64

(06-18-2017 11:43 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  From my position with boots on the ground, I'm not seeing this as a trend. It's certainly true of the ultra-rich, but simply not so with families that don't have millions to play with.

Those dad's are too busy working their fucking asses off just to give their families a basic middle class income.

Well, I guess is that in 20 years, automation will become increasingly common and wide-reaching. Working hour will decrease sharply. (I'm also supposing that the Chinese government will be able to implement sufficient working scheme for the population). Fathers will not have to work as long to provide for the family. They will hence have more time to spend with their kids. The trend that starts with the upper class will start flowing into the middle class.

So I said, who know what China will looks like 20 years from now on. I choose to be optimistic.

The Western world benefitted from automation too. Washing machines, gas/electric stoves and other conveniences that turned what used to be a full-time job for a housewife into just a few hours of work a week.

Do people now work less than they used to?

Post: #65

(06-18-2017 11:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  The Western world benefitted from automation too. Washing machines, gas/electric stoves and other conveniences that turned what used to be a full-time job for a housewife into just a few hours of work a week.

Do people now work less than they used to?

Surely they did. It's a historical trend. The French now officially work 35 hours a week, practically 1,482 hours a year. Germans work even less and Germany is still an economic powerhouse. Europeans typically work less than Americans and Japanese do.

Automation in 20 years will be dramatically different from what it is today. Even Japanese will start working less, I believe.

Post: #66

(06-18-2017 11:53 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  The Western world benefitted from automation too. Washing machines, gas/electric stoves and other conveniences that turned what used to be a full-time job for a housewife into just a few hours of work a week.

Do people now work less than they used to?

Surely they did. The French work 35 hours a week. Europeans typically work less than Americans and Japanese do.

Automation in 20 years will be dramatically different from what it is today. Even Japanese will start working less, I believe.

Europeans work less because of cultural differences, not because of automation. And it isn't like the French 35 hour work week has been some raging socioeconomic success either.

I think you misunderstand a crucial aspect of East-Asian cultures. Winning is the only thing that matters. When you've won, continuing to win is all important. You achieve this by taking full advantage of all the power you have.

Fathers aren't working their asses off in China because it is necessary. Just like in Japan, they do it because the people in power want it that way.

I was just talking to a forum member about his teaching job. He's been working at a school this school year and now the school wants to add a ton of office hours to his contract for next year.

Is this because his performance has been unacceptable? Nope. They're just not pleased with the balance of power.

In East-Asia, the ideal workplace balance of power is pretty straight-forward. The employer has all the power and the employee by design has none. If the employee doesn't like it, they can leave. The first step is to ensure that the employee spends the maximum amount of time working, even if there is no work to actually be done.

Legally, this isn't the case, but that doesn't stop people from failing to receive the full protections of the law.

Post: #67

that feel when suits refer to you as "a forum member" instead of a friend.

Post: #68

(06-18-2017 12:21 PM)Fortis Wrote:  that feel when suits refer to you as "a forum member" instead of a friend.

Just trying to protect your privacy. We don't want everyone here to know that you're back to being a loser English teacher.

Post: #69

In Australian universities there's a weird dynamic with the power distance relationship that lecturers have with international Asian students.

In Asian culture the lecturer is always right and an authority figure. You take notes passively, rote learn it, regurgitate the material in an exam and get a high mark.

In Australian culture the lecturer is your mate who plays Devil's Advocate to sharpen your thinking and commands respect only through regular displays of superior erudition and thoughtfulness. The lecturer realises that academic debate is rarely settled and expects the students to put forward their views, genuinely relishing the challenge of a well constructed opposing point of view. They don't give a shit about titles or formalities, I had one law professor who looked and dressed like a landscape gardener and another that would wear his tennis gear if he had a match scheduled for afterwards. First name basis only, a round of beers at the pub with the students end of semester.

Essay writing in Australia is about original thought, individual reflection, referencing sources and evaluating them on their merits. Always quality over quantity.

The Aussie lecturer wants the Asian student to challenge him on his arguments and regards unquestioning acceptance with revulsion. The Asian student wants to respect the lecturer by sitting there in silence, never raising a hand. In this way, it's a real paradox for them culturally. They need to act in a way they view as disrespectful in order to command respect. The cornerstone of Australian university is actively demonstrating a capacity for critical thinking, and I'm not sure that is anywhere near as highly valued in places like China.

Post: #70

I have added a link in my post. It's important.

(06-18-2017 12:06 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 11:53 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  Surely they did. It's a historical trend. The French now officially work 35 hours a week, practically 1,482 hours a year. Germans work even less and Germany is still an economic powerhouse. Europeans typically work less than Americans and Japanese do.

Automation in 20 years will be dramatically different from what it is today. Even Japanese will start working less, I believe.

Europeans work less because of cultural differences, not because of automation. And it isn't like the French 35 hour work week has been some raging socioeconomic success either.

Well, Germany is successful and its people work even less than the French.

Going by productivity (GDP PPP per hours worked), the US and German are much more productive than the Japanese.

Even American's working hour have decreased, and Americans are currently working more hours (1,790 h) than Japanese (1,719 - OECD data). And I don't believe that current Americans don't have enough time for their kids.

American culture is very much competitive and success-centered. And even Americans have been working less as technology develops. Japan's working hour has been decreasing too, though it is still long. We can expect it to continue to decline. It's a historical trend.

Japanese work long hour not only because of competitive drive but also because they feel responsibility to their company. We can expect that the Chinese don't have as great a sense of responsibility to the company.

The Asian long working hour is conditioned not only by culture but also by the condition of the economy. It's not like they have been working like mad throughout history to the point of having no time for their kids, ever! As economic condition change, their practice is bound to change.

At some point the automated economy and technological progress are going to force the Chinese are going to realize that working less produce more. I supposed at that point they will still work more than the French do, but less than they do now. At least enough for them to train their kids.

You said that "Those dad's are too busy working their fucking asses off just to give their families a basic middle class income." which implies at least that economic necessity plays an important role in their working long hour. That economic necessity will soon decrease.

Chinese place a great importance in children and in fostering the next generation. When they can afford it, I don't see why they wouldn't spend more time with children. Having better children is also one way of winning in life.

As for employers, they will soon realize that working too long reduce productivity, especially as the economy become more smart. Companies that requires less working hour but are more productive will be more competitive in attracting workers. Working hours will naturally decrease.

You can also expect that, the increasingly big data-driven Chinese government will realize that working less will be more productive and produce a more productive next generation. As I said before, they also realize the important of masculinity to the preservation of the state, and the role of parenting in nurturing it. Realizing this, they will likely implement some sort of restriction on working hour.

I see many ways in which working hours will likely decrease as automation develop. I simply don't think that Asians will never have enough time to raise their kids properly. Better not close off the possibilities of the future. We tend to underestimate how fast and disruptive technological progress can be, especially when AI, robot, and general automation are increasingly ubiquitous.

What's important in this trend is socio-ideological - a shift in value and attitude, widely and increasingly supported by society, increasingly moving toward traditional masculinity and father role, resisting modern western influence, in the wider context of rising Chinese nationalism. The power of this attitude/value shift will in time play out as economic conditions allow it. The popular support for this attitude shift is also what's lacking in the West, where the manosphere is still quite fringe and nationalism is still quite widely maligned.

Post: #71

(06-14-2017 02:22 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 02:03 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Yeah, this has become par for the course in Australia.

This was an old facebook post that blew up at the time and led to a domino effect of other testimony popping up out of the woodwork that left serious egg on the face of our diploma-mills.

Jesus Christ, I've got this exact same story going on right now in a cloud computing course I'm taking. I'm in a group with two Chineses, a Korean girl, and a girl I think is Persian but she doesn't have a head thingie or dynamite vest.

The Chinese guys are dumb and lazy as shit, and one of them I am utterly incapable of understanding because his English is so poor (like a Chinese version of Latka in Taxi). The two girls at least will work, but they won't take any initiative so I have to tell them exactly what to do at each step.

The written parts of the project that we had to turn earlier were a ton of work for me, since the Chinese guys did the same trick described in the facebook post, they just copy pasted online articles for their part. So not only did I have to fix the grammar of the girls that actually tried to write their own material, but I had to reword the plagiarized stuff.

Now it's coming to crunch time on the project and I'm rapidly realizing that no one in our group aside from me has actually bothered to figure out how to implement anything in the database system we're using. In every meeting they all just passively sit there as if showing up is what counts instead of actually getting work done.

I honestly can't understand why foreigners get hired in this country for any sort of non-menial job. Cheap labor isn't worth the communication difficulty and Oriental (lack of) ethics.

So a bit of addendum, of the last day trying to crank this project out and get a decent score. The Chinese guy who was the absolute laziest of all managed to perform a negative amount of work by bugging me constantly to get scripts and code I had already written running on his computer. (Instead of doing something else that would actually move the project towards completion.)

At one point I sent him a C++ source file for a parser I wrote that would import the dataset in 15 min instead of the 2 days it was going to take the Python Script we had initially. Shortly later, he plopped down next me (The thing I hate most about helping people with computer problems is they invariably lean in next to me to see what's on the screen within BO sniffing range), and said he couldn't get the program to run.

Apparently his assumption was that you run C++ source code by typing "c++ filename.cpp arg1 arg2 ..." into the terminal. This guy claims to work at Intel, and thus I'm assuming they're subsidizing his Master's degree tuition. And he doesn't know that you have to compile C code and then run the .exe produced. I'll say it again, this guy has a job at Intel and is going to graduate with the same Computer Science Master's as me, and he doesn't know one of the most basic things in programming. In a non-corrupt society by all standards this idiot should be shoveling night soil onto his rice paddy instead of subjecting me to unending frustration.

Post: #72

Of all of these dirt stupid foreign students, including ones getting life-and-death degrees in engineering and medical fields, I have to content myself with the hope that they go home as soon as they get their bit of paper so that their stupidity, negligence and corruption can kill their own people rather than put me and mine at risk.

Post: #73

These foreign countries are getting kickbacks from the US for sending them here.

Post: #74

(06-19-2017 05:44 AM)underboss Wrote:  These foreign countries are getting kickbacks from the US for sending them here.

Source?

Post: #75

I have a really different story compared to what is posted here, but then again mine might just be an outlier.

I got almost a full ride to one of the top 30 liberal arts (ok I know, everyone got a beta past ) in the US, and one of the most beautiful campuses in the South. To study Sociology. I really enjoyed my time in America and did very well in school. I became a writing consultant (means I correct people's grammar and paper), did an Honor program and got a semester study abroad in France. Graduated top 10%

Most of the friends I know who also went to the US at the same time, are now working in the US at middle-class jobs. The girls in particular are very successful, but they are all pretty and very aware of their values in the West. One now worked in Wall-street, has opened her own firm (go figured. She went to MIT due to the help of her boyfriend who was already there) and the other works for Google (she was the most "outgoing" of my class). Another work for Deloitte and marry a plain Jack, got a house, car and everything in between.

The guys all work comfortable consultant desk jobs, though nowhere near as breezy as the girls. None of them seem to have any integration problem.

All these people went to US on full scholarship, only two guys out of the dozens I know go on their own dime, but they are nevertheless very smart, and hang out with whites. Again, I admit that my experience might be outlier.

We all share a common dislike for the "typical" Chinese students who are both weird, cheating and very loud on campus. I remember every Friday there's a shuttle to the mall and there's this horde of rich Chinese girls every fucking time. When they come back they all have like a dozens bags full of brand products.

There are a few Chinese guys who are chilled, but I would not call them cool.

Working as a Writing Consultant it's my nightmare everytime there's a Chinese student coming into office. I dont even know where to start with their papers mostly, there's fault every mm. And most of them try to blame it on their professor ??

I tend to agree the move is a money grab from US colleges, but then why give full rides to people like myself and my friends?

There might be the propaganda theory because most of my friends do subscribe to the SJW programs, although most wouldn't care less either way. And if in the mean time they manage to replace some US workers with highly qualified Viets, why not?

I do agree that this all point towards an internationalization of the working class, so that the elites have a ready, mobile force of workers already in their pay everywhere they go in the world.