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I know what if's don't exist but it's always fun to speculate.

What would have happened if Hitler had been captured by the Soviets​?


These kind of question can make imagination go wild. As a forecaster, I would like to answer this as a What If Analysis:

Scenario 1 : If Hitler would have been captured by the Rogue soldiers of Zukhov’s force
Hitler brought war deep inside the Soviet Russia( Operation Barbarossa) decimating the Eastern Soviet cities and murdering 5 million of Soviet men in span of just “5 months, 1 week and 6 days”.


German advances during the opening phases of Operation Barbarossa, August 1941

If Hitler would have fallen in the hands of Zukhov’s angry soldiers , who were still fuming with the loss of their closed one just couple of years back, he would definitely had been put to a nasty death. It would have been a death equivalent to something of a sortie in Hell at the hands of Satan.

Scenario 2 :If Hitler would have been captured by the disciplined soldiers of Zukhov’s force
This would have been something that would have pleased Stalin like none other. This one achievement would have entitled Zukhov for an additional “ Hero of the Soviet Union” award ( He is the only one along with Brezhnev to get this award four times). There has been speculations that Stalin desperately wanted to capture Hitler and that’s why he organized a competition between his two marshals, Georgy Zhukov and Ivan Konev, to be the first to enter Berlin during the final months of World War II. This was termed as the Race to Berlin.

Capturing the German Fuhrer would be of huge symbolic and political importance for Stalin, so that:

a) He could have paraded him in front of his Soviet people as a war trophy and strengthened his position as a Demi God domestically

b) On world front, he would have got a bargaining chip at upcoming Postdam conference (Aug, 1945) : Stalin had already secured a Soviet sphere of political influence in Eastern and Central Europe during the Yalta conference (Feb 1945). The capture of Hitler by Soviets would have propelled the stature of Stalin much higher at Postdam conference compared to Churchill or Truman. He would have dictated whatever he wished for as he had an ACE up his sleeve.

Finally, he would have been tried in a special court supervised and administered by Soviets , Stalin pulling the strings. I am not sure if Stalin would have kept Hitler alive to get the sadistic pleasure or would have got him killed as a war criminal: That might be an alternate question that needs to be answered separately .

“What would have Stalin done with Hitler after his capture and trial”?


Raising a flag over the Reichstag, by Yevgeny Khaldei

Scenario 3 :If Hitler would have been captured by the dis-grunted Germans before Zukhov’s forces could reach the FUHRER Bunker
Hitler came to power by giving false hopes to German about the economic growth and making Germany a adobe of tranquility. However, things turned out to be very different and Germans were slaughtered on all fronts and GERMANY was decimated by the Allied forces.

All this hardship on the Germans would have definitely ensured Germans would have killed Hitler if they would have caught him , something that happened to Fascist Mussolini in Italy:

“During the course of 29 April, Hitler learned of the death of his ally, Benito Mussolini, who had been executed by Italian partisans. Mussolini's body and that of his mistress, Clara Petacci, had been strung up by their heels. The bodies were later cut down and thrown in the gutter, where vengeful Italians reviled them. It is probable that these events strengthened Hitler's resolve not to allow himself or his wife to be made "a spectacle of", as he had earlier recorded in his Testament”


What you guys think?

Post: #2

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure there'd be a whole genre of porn dedicated to what happened when they captured Eva Braun.

Post: #3

Interesting post, but they wouldn't be dictating stuff to the word's only nuclear power based on holding a single prisoner, no matter who he used to be.

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Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

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I heard on a History channel documentary once that Stalin had plans to publicly execute him in Moscow by disembowelment. I don't know if that was true or not.

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(06-04-2017 07:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

My understanding is that the Nuremberg trials only got Soviet cooperation because the Western allies held almost all the high-ranking nazis.

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(06-04-2017 07:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

I think so too. Stalin was a master of propaganda and I feel like Stalin knew he was part of the "good side" sort of speak and by having torture Hitler a horrible death in the Soviet Union would have backfired on him.

He probably would just have given him over at Nuremberg with Goerring and the rest of them.

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(06-04-2017 08:44 PM)theoneandonly Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 07:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

My understanding is that the Nuremberg trials only got Soviet cooperation because the Western allies held almost all the high-ranking nazis.

Yes, the ones who did not killed themselves turned to the Western Allies. No one wanted to be caught by the Soviets.

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(06-04-2017 09:38 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 08:44 PM)theoneandonly Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 07:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

My understanding is that the Nuremberg trials only got Soviet cooperation because the Western allies held almost all the high-ranking nazis.

Yes, the ones who did not killed themselves turned to the Western Allies. No one wanted to be caught by the Soviets.

Why not?

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(06-04-2017 10:34 PM)Chavo Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 09:38 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 08:44 PM)theoneandonly Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 07:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

My understanding is that the Nuremberg trials only got Soviet cooperation because the Western allies held almost all the high-ranking nazis.

Yes, the ones who did not killed themselves turned to the Western Allies. No one wanted to be caught by the Soviets.

Because your life was likely to be "nasty, brutish and short".

Why not?

Because your life was likely to be "nasty, brutish and short".

Post: #11

(06-04-2017 09:04 PM)Chavo Wrote:  

(06-04-2017 07:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Odds are on they would have just put Hitler up with the others at Nuremberg; the Soviet Union provided one of the judges there as well.

I think so too. Stalin was a master of propaganda and I feel like Stalin knew he was part of the "good side" sort of speak and by having torture Hitler a horrible death in the Soviet Union would have backfired on him.

He probably would just have given him over at Nuremberg with Goerring and the rest of them.

Correct. One of the great ironies of history is that Stalin - knowing that politics is at least part theatre - wanted trials for all the Nazis, while Churchill wanted them all lined up against a wall and shot. The rationale for this view became apparent in later years with the show trials that cropped up across the Warsaw Pact nations: you can better keep people cowed if they have at least an appearance of some fairness.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

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All incorrect perceptions. In real history both the Nazis as well as the Soviets were globalist creations. The Nazis never had a chance and the Soviets would not have survived the Nazi onslaught if they had not been propped up by the Western and US-powers in secret.

Antony Sutton researched it well and you can check out his books.

Theories like this are about as valid as those that say what would have happened if Rome had abolished slavery, created modern-style universities and started industrialization in the year 100.

But the truth is that the Rome story is more realistic than your scenario.

Also as a side note - there are even theories that Hitler was a globalist agent and survived the war. There was a lot of crap happening around his supposed death. But that is not as thoroughly researched than by Sutton who was a Stanford historian:

https://www.henrymakow.com/martin_borman...child.html
https://www.henrymakow.com/2014/03/FBI-I...t-War.html

Post: #13

Exactly, both Nazis and the Soviets were opposite arms of the same body (globalist elites). But regarding Hitler, I believe he survived the war. There is interesting documentary hunt for the wolf or something like that regarding his supposed survival.

When we talk about "may be" scenarios and war leaders of WWII, I must mention that there is also curious thing regarding Josip Broz Tito, leader of the communist Yugoslavia from 1945 till his death in 1980.
Many reports and conspiracy theories say he was in fact not an Croat, but a Russian or something else. That real Tito died in the WWI on the eastern front and someone other took his place.
Than this doppelganger actually went to school with Hitler in Austria and served with him in the military during WWI. Later in WWII he become leader of the partisans and official enemy of the Hitler.

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@Zelcorpion. So Hitler was just a Zionist agent and not the last great white hope?

Post: #15

"Real history" rarely has the conspiracy theories that are so often talked about and flaunted. On some level, "conspiracy" theories have to be true, but it really comes down to what one is really referring to when they use the word.

Are there elites that try to maintain wealth, power and also try to increase these? Of course.

Do they go to locations to meet, wring their hands (rub their hands?), talk, laugh, and drink booze while discussing how? In short, no.

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I'm guessing the Allies would still have killed the imposters and claimed the guy the Russians got was an imposter.

In any event, he would not have made it to Argentina.

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(06-05-2017 10:53 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  @Zelcorpion. So Hitler was just a Zionist agent and not the last great white hope?

Who knows - there are many articles on Henry Makow that reference to others.

+ Hitler likely was partly Jewish - his grandmother left the Rothschild house where she served as a maid pregnant - nothing unusual in the 19th century the rich fucked their servant girls and there was no alimony. Supposedly the globalists track even their illegitimate children - if one becomes useful, then they like to support a family heir of theirs even if he is not an official and pure one.
+ Hitler knowingly or extremely incompetently sabotaged entire campaigns - if a top-level general had led the war, then the UK would likely have been taken before the move against Russia
+ the story about his suicide does not make sense, the Russian young officer who had to verify Hitler's death was young and this not his speciality - the Russians had scores of experts. Also Hitler's bones taken to Moscow were later found certainly not to be Hitler
+ there are actually FBI documentations about a Nazi enclave in Argentina in the 1960s - Hitler being one of the guests there with a shaved head and there were actual witnesses who were questioned even later

But who knows - I would not stake my life on it. The stuff by Sutton is certain - this is in the possible category.

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^Did you watch The Greatest Story Never Told?

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(06-05-2017 03:10 PM)Chris Brown Wrote:  ^Did you watch The Greatest Story Never Told?

What is this?

By the way, does anybody know of any books or documentaries on Stalin and the Soviet Union?

Im a big fan of this topic.

Post: #20

The Greast story never told is a documentary on youtube, it shows Hitler in a much better light.

Couldnt Hitler just have stopped at Sudentland and gone home?

Post: #21

If arrested alive, Stalin would have used Hitler for in-and-out propaganda reasons (he was propaganda genius, would have not missed that chance), but the person bringing Hitler to Moscow would not have been General Zukhov, if would have been Lavrenti Beria (Stalin's Georgian henchman and architect of all USSR repressions and secret missions)

Stalin was extremely careful about raising 'stars' in politics and he would have not let Zukhov doing it.

Also initial plan for to take take Berlin on 1st of May for ideological reasons but German resistance delayed it. Overall Stalin was not happy with war results, as victory costed them a lot, and some say that was a reason why he did not lead 1945 victory parade in Moscow.

I think Hitler in Moscow would have been a good 'PR' material for a while but they would get rid of him quickly, after arranging 'Tribunal' (fair one) to demonstrate to rest of the world how 'human' USSR was.

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(06-05-2017 03:10 PM)Chris Brown Wrote:  ^Did you watch The Greatest Story Never Told?

No. But is on my list.

Post: #23

Hitler "escaped" to South America.

The war served its purpose to destroy Germany and Russia, those two countries suffered the greatest losses.

The powers that be also tried to implement a world government with the League of Nations, it failed.

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(06-05-2017 03:37 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  All incorrect perceptions. In real history both the Nazis as well as the Soviets were globalist creations.

No.

Only so far as some zionists such as the Rothschild might have accepted or encouraged Hitler to make German jews flee to Israel. Remember that European jews in general had zero desire to emmigrate as storm troopers to a hostile desert country.

The Nazi rising had nothing to do with globalism though. There's a clear ideological, economical and cultural chain of events which led to the Nazi party rising and none of it was globalist planned.

The globalist idea for the West was always and will always continue to be the Weimar Republic.

Zionists have different plans and sometimes they clash with globalism (here I refer to "jewish globalism").

The Weimar republic was a spitting image of the West as it is now.

Post: #25

How would the war have ended if Hitler didnt invade the Soviet Union?