Post: #51

Wander Wrote:A lot of negativity, would it be fair to assume you didn't have an awful lot of success with the "European" ladies?

Nope -- in fact it's a very inaccurate assumption and I have already explained why on this thread. I've never had ANY problems with ladies...but Spanish women are NOT my type. I have said this over and over again. That doesn't exclude the myriads of other women who live here and who are great and actually agree with most of my points about Spain (and most of Europe).

scrambled Wrote:And your accent is of perfect Castile, as if Burgos-born.

Actually, in fact it is...as I learned Spanish since I was a kid and speak the language perfectly. ::rimshot::

As for your other comments, they are ridiculous. So you take ONE link to "forocoches" which has an awful reputation in Spain and that's your "proof" that Spanish people travel a lot? Grow up dude. What a bore. I won't even address your other comments as they make no sense. I said they were pushovers, YES...because the moment you raise hell they BACK DOWN immediately. So that lady wasn't expecting me to do that and that's why she immediately got back in her rightful place. In the US, it is almost guaranteed a fight would've occurred.

And yes, the system is so rigid that it becomes RIDICULOUS and EASY for people to take advantage of it. It's not so hard to understand my points but there always has to be someone who wants to be the "contrarian". Sigh...

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britchard Wrote:So what. I like Europe being a diverse (no, not Soros-style 'diverse') set of of sovereign nations. Wouldn't it be boring if everywhere was like the US? Let the Spaniards do what they want. It is, however, annoying if they are using German and British money to fund their cafe lifestyle.

Whenever I've been to Spain I always found the heat far too hot to do anything other than laze around.

WAIT WTF?? SOVEREIGN NATIONS IN EUROPE? Are you serious? You can't be. What the hell do you think the European Union is? It is in fact TAKING AWAY sovereignty from nations. Sure, Spaniards can do whatever they want (as long as Brussels approves of it, lol).

the beast1 Wrote:A-Fucking-Men!

I was at a party over the weekend where someone asked me what it's like being stateside. I loudly and proudly announced:

"After living and traveling abroad, I can say without question that America is the best country in the world."

Stunned disbelief. My take on Europe is this: the rich very much like their positions in society and so to avoid anyone trampling them they sedate the masses with excessive welfare, free healthcare, and long vacations. Added with excessive regulations, it's any wonder that businesses continue to operate there at all.

This is great if you have no aspirations to anything which it seems to be an infliction in most of the west.

Your take on Spain is correct. I call them Spantards who are lazy and have no qualms about ripping you off if they're in need of money which is a pretty consistent thing. No wonder their country is a mess.

I learned very quickly to avoid and not trust them. At least Americans have drive and self determination. Europe as a whole is a floundering mess held together and dominated by the English, Germans, and to a lesser extent the French.

The amount of people I met who would give their left hand for an opportunity to live in America was boundless. I don't know why we bother trying to immigrate 3rd world trash. You could open the doors to Europeans and have semi intelligent people come over.

Just make sure you don't let them vote because we all know they'd vote stupid folks in power and force them to settle and live permanently in one geographical location that isn't New York.

I totally agree with you! No other place like America when it comes to opportunities, can do attitude, and let's face it, overall "awesomeness" and interesting people. Europe is bland, boring, unimaginative and their best brains EMIGRATE the hell out and go to the US or Canada.

It's basically a continent of haves and have nots...and the have nots are peasants thinking they've got it good just because they are appeased with longer vacations and mediocre "free" (so they think) healthcare for lower pay. Rich Europeans most certainly don't spend their entire year living in Europe and many operate their headquarters from business friendlier places.

I agree - the US opens its doors to trash from the 3rd world to work in agriculture or flip burgers at Mcdonalds but make it very very difficult for intelligent Europeans to move to the US and who would most certainly contribute positively to our country and actually WANT to be in the US, as opposed to calling for reparations and all that other nonsense.

As for the other people who asked me why I stayed in Spain for so long...I've already answered that question earlier in the thread.

Post: #52

ElFlaco Wrote:By chance, do they take their laundry home with them so mom can wash it?

YES, yes they do. I couldn't believe how many of my students who are well over 20 admit this to me...grown men..."mamá me lava la ropa" WHAT???? Whenever I heard something like that I was tempted to just tell them "get the fuck out of my classroom".

They expect mami to cook, clean and make their beds too (and Spanish moms indulge). I can see a kid, but a GROWN MAN? NOT acceptable. It really isn't acceptable to live with mama past a certain age.

Post: #53

If I di not knew Spain, and worked with Spanish people, after reading this thread and all the others by OP I would be thinking that Spain was somewhere in a South American shithole (no offense)...This is another mental masturbation thread like all the other threads and posts by OP who are always on the same subject, it is getting ridiculous.

The thruth is that Spain is a fairly organized and civilized country, with amazing history and cultural heritage, and with quite a fair lot of hard working people. Of course it suffers the evils of "first world problems" like any other civilized country.

Post: #54

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)Rocha Wrote:  If I di not knew Spain, and worked with Spanish people, after reading this thread and all the others by OP I would be thinking that Spain was somewhere in South America...This is another mental masturbation thread like all the other threads and posts by OP who are always on the same subject, it is getting ridiculous.

The thruth is that Spain is a fairly organized and civilized country, with amazing history and cultural heritage, and with quite a fair lot of hard working people. Of course it suffers the evils of "first world problems" like any other civilized country.

It was to be expected. You guys are utterly obsessed with the whole "we are NOT South America" and you think that by screaming it louder and louder you can convince people. I notice there seems to be an inferiority complex or fear in being compared to South America...I can't put my finger on why, but me thinks it may have to do with your personal insecurities. Don't know, don't care.

We are getting bored of reading how some of you try to whitewash Spain. I don't think anyone here has said it is "like South America" although much to your anger, sorry but Spain has a LOT more in common with Latin America than say, with England, Canada or the US. You know it and you hate that. Just accept what you are, deal with it and grow up.

Keep thinking Spain is a rich country filled with opportunity, lol. You guys are so proud that it is your downfall! Spanish pride is very real, unfortunately...and it tends to be just plain pigheaded.

Sure, Spain has history? SO WHAT? That isn't the point here. Greece has more history and it's still a shithole for the most part and Egypt has history too, so what? History doesn't put money in your bank account or food on your plate and it most certainly doesn't make you a successful country. Spain is a HAS BEEN...and it's "glory" ended CENTURIES ago.

PS: My neighbor is a full blooded Spaniard and he constantly laughs at Spain. I even have videos of him making very harsh comments about Spain and saying it has third world aspects. If you don't believe me I'd be more than happy to send you the audio...he doesn't mind. He says most Spaniards are too proud for their own good and the country is a mess.

Post: #55

(05-22-2017 03:37 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:32 PM)Rocha Wrote:  If I di not knew Spain, and worked with Spanish people, after reading this thread and all the others by OP I would be thinking that Spain was somewhere in South America...This is another mental masturbation thread like all the other threads and posts by OP who are always on the same subject, it is getting ridiculous.

The thruth is that Spain is a fairly organized and civilized country, with amazing history and cultural heritage, and with quite a fair lot of hard working people. Of course it suffers the evils of "first world problems" like any other civilized country.

It was to be expected. You guys are utterly obsessed with the whole "we are NOT South America" and you think that by screaming it louder and louder you can convince people. I notice there seems to be an inferiority complex or fear in being compared to South America...I can't put my finger on why, but me thinks it may have to do with your personal insecurities. Don't know, don't care.

We are getting bored of reading how some of you try to whitewash Spain. I don't think anyone here has said it is "like South America" although much to your anger, sorry but Spain has a LOT more in common with Latin America than say, with England, Canada or the US. You know it and you hate that. Just accept what you are, deal with it and grow up.

Keep thinking Spain is a rich country filled with opportunity, lol. You guys are so proud that it is your downfall! Spanish pride is very real, unfortunately...and it tends to be just plain pigheaded.

Sure, Spain has history? SO WHAT? That isn't the point here. Greece has more history and it's still a shithole for the most part and Egypt has history too, so what? History doesn't put money in your bank account or food on your plate.

this is so funny

Post: #56

(05-22-2017 03:17 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  I totally agree with you! No other place like America when it comes to opportunities, can do attitude, and let's face it, overall "awesomeness" and interesting people. Europe is bland, boring, unimaginative and their best brains EMIGRATE the hell out and go to the US or Canada.

A huge number of Americans have grown in some middle of nowhere place and their world revolves around food, TV and sports. I've lived in America for 12 years and I've met countless people which are boring as fuck! Sure, Spain maybe gives you this worldview that Americans are super interesting. And maybe compared to Spanish people they are, but to generalize that Europe is bland is just not true. Most of America is bland. Most of Europe isn't.

Also, Americans that you're meeting abroad are usually going to be much more interesting. I'm not American, so I'm not an expert on American people, but I sense some "grass is greener on the other side" thinking here.

But when it comes to opportunities, business, money, education, science - yeah, America wins.

Post: #57

(05-22-2017 08:22 PM)GreenHills Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 03:17 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  I totally agree with you! No other place like America when it comes to opportunities, can do attitude, and let's face it, overall "awesomeness" and interesting people. Europe is bland, boring, unimaginative and their best brains EMIGRATE the hell out and go to the US or Canada.

A huge number of Americans have grown in some middle of nowhere place and their world revolves around food, TV and sports. I've lived in America for 12 years and I've met countless people which are boring as fuck! Sure, Spain maybe gives you this worldview that Americans are super interesting. And maybe compared to Spanish people they are, but to generalize that Europe is bland is just not true. Most of America is bland. Most of Europe isn't.

Also, Americans that you're meeting abroad are usually going to be much more interesting. I'm not American, so I'm not an expert on American people, but I sense some "grass is greener on the other side" thinking here.

But when it comes to opportunities, business, money, education, science - yeah, America wins.

Oh, I never said there aren't boring places in America or boring people. Can you name any country in the world where you don't get shitty boring people or idiots? But that's not the point. The fact of the matter is that if you know where to look, the US has a niche for everyone, for any interest really and that is a simple fact. Just look at the sort of people it produces -- Think Roosh Forum would've been created by a European? I don't think so.

I've lived in three different European countries and traveled around most of Europe. You may speak more languages, but all in all, Europe is dull, has mediocre universities (much more so than the top ones in the US) and yes, Americans in Europe are generally the "best of the bunch" but I've also met many more interesting people in the US. There are many "middle of nowhere" places in Europe too. If you travel to a small town in France or Spain, think people there are reading books and analyzing problems in the world or how to get ahead in life? Nope.

I agree with your last statement.

Post: #58

I think you need to see "real America" if you think Americans are exciting people. Even in bigger states a lot of American's idea of having fun is just sitting in wifebeaters and bbqing every weekend. I do like that Americans are on average more independent, but in most cities the average American is still content with having a crap job as long as it gives them enough money to get a decent looking TV and a car.

Business wise there is more money to be made in America, that's really all I can say. To make it seem like all Europeans are just trying to collect easy checks seems rather silly to me, am I really supposed to believe that say the average German is any less talented of a worker than the average American? Most of Europe is not like Spain.

I'm not big into Spanish culture either though, and I do agree with a lot of your criticisms of Spanish culture. Nice place to live if you have savings, but the people can be really boring to talk too - no one ever has anything interesting to say from my somewhat limited experience (had a Spanish girlfirend and hung out in a Spanish social circle). Probably the most famous place in the world that I have little interest in living in.

Post: #59

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It will be interesting to see how you adjust to life in America, after being away for a decade.

My time living in London, I witnessed loads of young Spaniards moving there for work. They seem very cliquey and hang in big groups when they go out.

Wasn't Spain going through some hard times a few years ago.

Post: #60

(05-22-2017 09:17 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  I think you need to see "real America" if you think Americans are exciting people. Even in bigger states a lot of American's idea of having fun is just sitting in wifebeaters and bbqing every weekend. I do like that Americans are on average more independent, but in most cities the average American is still content with having a crap job as long as it gives them enough money to get a decent looking TV and a car.

Business wise there is more money to be made in America, that's really all I can say. To make it seem like all Europeans are just trying to collect easy checks seems rather silly to me, am I really supposed to believe that say the average German is any less talented of a worker than the average American? Most of Europe is not like Spain.

I'm not big into Spanish culture either though, and I do agree with a lot of your criticisms of Spanish culture. Nice place to live if you have savings, but the people can be really boring to talk too - no one ever has anything interesting to say from my somewhat limited experience (had a Spanish girlfirend and hung out in a Spanish social circle). Probably the most famous place in the world that I have little interest in living in.

Well, this is why I am mentioning Spain in particular and not Germany. It's not really that hard to be more ambitious than your average Spaniard. Also, who said anything about Europeans collecting easy checks? Certainly not me.

I agree with your points. Most people in Spain are very unremarkable and although it is true what you say about many Americans...I am still a firm believer that there are many more interesting people in the US when compared to Spain.

@rudebwoy:

Adjusting won't be that bad -- I travel often and am NOT an emotional person. I always go to the US every year so the biggest change for me will simply be the time difference (first few days) and the more important need for a car in many places. Other than that, there is nothing Spain has (material wise) that I can't get bigger and better in the US. Spain is a very overrated place...believe me. Oh and yes, Spaniards tend to be very cliquey as you say...and in Spain it is even worse! They all go out with huge groups of friends they've known all their life and in general they don't even bother to explore towns around them. In fact my neighbor, who calls himself a "weird Spaniard" and wants to get out of here ASAP has told me how he was the only one in his group of friends who would go exploring towns on his own on his motorcycle. His friends were just shocked that he would do that...but that's Spain for you: no curiosity to explore surroundings.

Post: #61

Baldrich,

So you’ve decided that Spain and particularly its society/culture are not for you – fine (even though it’s odd that it took you a long time to realise this; ten years seems excessive to me). After all it seems that the majority of Western expats eventually move back to their home country, because they never fully assimilated themselves into their host culture.

Just on a few points: Despite the shared EU market and everything that comes with it, the majority of stuff on Western European supermarkets is produced domestically. This is more true for food than care products, for example, but in general you won’t find a lot of foreign brands. Keeping that in mind, compare the US’ ~320 million consumers with the ~46 million people of Spain: Naturally Spain can’t have the same variety as the second biggest economic power in the world. The dire economy could be another reason businesses are unwilling to enter the market with their products, something that’s not given in the US – a lot of people from all over the world try to sell their stuff to Americans, because they pay good money.

Calling Europe bland is quite a statement. What exactly is bland? The culture and history? Certainly not. The mostly non-existing drive for innovation? Absolutely, the US is way ahead of Europe in that regard. If Europe would be bland, why do so many young Americans come to travel here rather than doing an extended road trip through their own country? Because there’s more variety here. You say the EU is taking away sovereignty from the national states – may it be true or not – but the fact is that we have a fairly diverse set of peoples all tucked into a small continent, with all the interesting and annoying differences this offers. If you find this boring, very well. You’re free and don’t have to go anywhere.

Last but least about people venturing out to explore, being ambitious etc: Your observations are absolutely correct, however – did you ever think about the fact that not everybody wants to become an entrepreneur or discover the world? Live and let live. If somebody’s happy living in a bubble, that’s okay. I did too, until I came to NZ and realised what I had missed out on for so many years. I found out for myself that I want to see more places, experience new things, push my boundaries. Yet I have a good friend who’s nothing like that, and he’s a happy chappy building a family in Germany.

Sometimes I feel Americans have a hard time comprehending that people in other countries don’t live the same values as they do or that societies abroad just work differently. I’m saying this because I have experienced it many times when meeting Americans in NZ. The encounter I remember most vividly is this one:

Me (looking at his passport): Right, so Thomas is actually your middle name.
Guy: Yep, I don’t really like my first name so I use that. Is Quaestum your first or middle name?
Me: My first name, I don’t have a middle name.
Guy (frowning): You don’t want to tell me or what?
Me: I don’t have one. It’s not that common in Germany as it is in the US.
Guy (slightly shocked): You really don’t have a middle name?! Everybody has to have one!
Me (showing my passport): Nope, have a look here.

Post: #62

I've lived in Spain, and it has its ups and downs like anywhere else. But the most noticeable thing about OPs post is its bitterness. It makes you wonder why.

Post: #63

I'm Spanish and I actually agree with OP on many things.

I've lived for quite a bit in the UK so I like to compare things between both countries. I'd say Spain is a nice place to live if you're not too ambitious or if you have connections that can land you a high paying job. It's fairly easy to live a comfortable life and people don't stress over work as much as they do in other places (although you do have working class people struggling to make ends meet, working 50+ hour weeks for little pay.)

On the other hand, OP is right in that it's not a very "intellectual" place to live in.

In the UK for example, people tend to read for pleasure a lot more and you can get second hand books for almost nothing. Brits also tend to be better traveled, are better at conversation and they're not so risk averse as most Spaniards. Overall though, I still find the UK to be too grey and depressing for my liking. In addition, I appreciate the good manners and how everything seems to work great over there, but you do have a lot of BS that comes with political correctness and so on. Not to mention the fact that a lot of Brits don't even seem to be happy to begin with. You have a lot of social problems in the UK that mostly stem from low family cohesion. Substance abuse, teenage pregnancies and crime, depression & mental health issues... At the end of the day, what's the point of being so smart if they can't even be happy and live a normal life?

What I don't understand is why OP apparently didn't try to meet more like minded and interesting Spaniards while he was there. While the a regular local might be more "boring" than the average American, there's still "outliers" and certainly a lot of Spaniards are into entrepreneurship, taking risks and that sort of thing. If you don't click with locals, there's plenty of foreigners and westerners in all major cities in Spain, so making like-minded friends can't really be that hard.

Also, and I digress here a bit, but I've met a lot of Americans abroad that seem rather dorky and risk averse. US guys that are studying here in Europe that are afraid of practicing the language, meeting locals, and that also prefer to stay within their comfort zone and hang out with other Americans, so what you mention about Spaniards is not exactly exclusive of them. I also don't think the "average" American is super interesting, just like how the average guy from any country is almost certainly going to be a normal, regular guy.

Finally, about President Rajoy, he's just a EU puppet and the government is far from being conservative, they're barely pro-business at all (red-tape etc) and they're simply the best alternative to SJW party "Podemos" as well as PSOE, IU others.

Post: #64

Quaestum Wrote:Baldrich,

So you’ve decided that Spain and particularly its society/culture are not for you – fine (even though it’s odd that it took you a long time to realise this; ten years seems excessive to me). After all it seems that the majority of Western expats eventually move back to their home country, because they never fully assimilated themselves into their host culture.

Because like I said EARLIER in the thread, I did have a love affair with it in the beginning and plus, I was working in a good position so why would I leave if economically and socially (relatively speaking) I was doing well and still could do well, money wise, if I stayed here?

As for assimilation, not a problem for me. I never had an issue with language or other cultural things.

Quaestum Wrote:Just on a few points: Despite the shared EU market and everything that comes with it, the majority of stuff on Western European supermarkets is produced domestically. This is more true for food than care products, for example, but in general you won’t find a lot of foreign brands. Keeping that in mind, compare the US’ ~320 million consumers with the ~46 million people of Spain: Naturally Spain can’t have the same variety as the second biggest economic power in the world. The dire economy could be another reason businesses are unwilling to enter the market with their products, something that’s not given in the US – a lot of people from all over the world try to sell their stuff to Americans, because they pay good money.

I totally agree - which is why Europe really does suck, in general, when it comes to making money. No other country pays as good as Americans are willing to pay...perhaps, and this is a big PERHAPS,with the exception of the UK in some respects.

Quaestum Wrote:Calling Europe bland is quite a statement. What exactly is bland? The culture and history? Certainly not. The mostly non-existing drive for innovation? Absolutely, the US is way ahead of Europe in that regard. If Europe would be bland, why do so many young Americans come to travel here rather than doing an extended road trip through their own country? Because there’s more variety here. You say the EU is taking away sovereignty from the national states – may it be true or not – but the fact is that we have a fairly diverse set of peoples all tucked into a small continent, with all the interesting and annoying differences this offers. If you find this boring, very well. You’re free and don’t have to go anywhere.

I should have said "Europeans", since Europe is not a living organism and therefore cannot be anything really. I find Europeans on the whole are unimaginative (I've met thousands thanks to the work I do, so my sampling is not small) and dealt with many different nationalities.

With regard to Americans traveling, let me tell you something: Are you aware that most Americans don't even have a passport and most of the traveling they do is domestic? Only richer Americans come to Europe (this is changing thanks to cheap airfares but, all in all, most Americans are more inward looking).

Europeans may eat different foods and speak different languages but I'm sorry, traveling around Europe is always the same feeling when it comes to mentality: loads of bureaucracy to deal with, many locals in anger or discontent due to uncontrolled Muslim immigration, stagnant economies but hey! LOTS of museums and old buildings! You talk to ANY Euro, no matter what his nationality, and most go on and on about their "wonderful free" (sic) healthcare, how they hate that Americans are free to have guns, how "uneducated" Americans are and how wonderful they are...the arrogance is just nauseating and for what? Poorer European countries like France, Spain/Portugal, Italy or Greece just burn German money. Their populations seem to think that money falls from German trees.

Quaestum Wrote:did you ever think about the fact that not everybody wants to become an entrepreneur or discover the world? Live and let live.

So? I never said they couldn't be anything else should they so choose. Of course obviously not everyone is an explorer or entrepreneur...but what is your point? I said very clearly that IF YOU ARE, then Europe is NOT a place for you since there are very very very few of those when compared to the US.

Ha! Funny dialogue (although I've had similar encounters with Spanish people who, for example, couldn't accept that I have a middle INITIAL, JUST the initial on my passport and that it is totally common in the US).

By the way, Germany. Great country. I was there recently and if I HAD to live on the European continent, it would most likely be Germany. I came away with very good impressions.

Post: #65

"By the way, Germany. Great country. I was there recently and if I HAD to live on the European continent, it would most likely be Germany. I came away with very good impressions."

It's going to fall apart pretty quick at this rate: http://www.returnofkings.com/121462/i-ma...m-refugees

Post: #66

(05-23-2017 03:57 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  I'm Spanish and I actually agree with OP on many things.

I've lived for quite a bit in the UK so I like to compare things between both countries. I'd say Spain is a nice place to live if you're not too ambitious or if you have connections that can land you a high paying job. It's fairly easy to live a comfortable life and people don't stress over work as much as they do in other places (although you do have working class people struggling to make ends meet, working 50+ hour weeks for little pay.)

On the other hand, OP is right in that it's not a very "intellectual" place to live in.

In the UK for example, people tend to read for pleasure a lot more and you can get second hand books for almost nothing. Brits also tend to be better traveled, are better at conversation and they're not so risk averse as most Spaniards. Overall though, I still find the UK to be too grey and depressing for my liking. In addition, I appreciate the good manners and how everything seems to work great over there, but you do have a lot of BS that comes with political correctness and so on.

What I don't understand is why OP apparently didn't try to meet more like minded and interesting Spaniards while he was there. While the a regular local might be more "boring" than the average American, there's still "outliers" and certainly a lot of Spaniards are into entrepreneurship, taking risks and that sort of thing. If you don't click with locals, there's plenty of foreigners and westerners in all major cities in Spain, so making like-minded friends can't really be that hard.

Also, and I digress here a bit, but I've met a lot of Americans abroad that seem rather dorky and risk averse. US guys that are studying here in Europe that are afraid of practicing the language, meeting locals, and that also prefer to stay within their comfort zone and hang out with other Americans, so what you mention about Spaniards is not exactly exclusive of them. I also don't think the "average" American is super interesting, just like how the average guy from any country is almost certainly going to be a normal, regular guy.

Finally, about President Rajoy, he's just a EU puppet and the government is far from being conservative, they're barely pro-business at all (red-tape etc) and they're simply the best alternative to SJW party "Podemos" as well as PSOE, IU others.

I must say that my best city in Spain, hands down (people wise) has been Valencia. If I ever have to live in Spain again, Valencia would be my first choice (Despite its reputation of it being filled with superficial silicon girls and gym rats)...while there is certainly that element to it, I found people more receptive to my views.

Reading: Absolutely correct. I've seen very few Spaniards actively reading when compared to UK.

You ask about why I haven't met more intellectual types...but I have and most of them are in the process of emigrating out of Spain!

Also, the Americans who come and do study abroad in Spain are SJWs for the most part and certainly not the sort of persons I'd have over for lunch or dinner. Most are feminists (most study abroad are female anyway) or pathetic men who are socially awkward, as you well note. But if you travel to the US and go to more interesting places/cities, you will find the best of the best not just from the US, but from all over the world.

Post: #67

OP, Rocha is Portuguese.

Post: #68

(05-23-2017 04:45 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  OP, Rocha is Portuguese.

I know...but Portuguese and Spaniards are brothers...let's just say...IBERIANS.

Post: #69

(05-23-2017 03:57 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  What I don't understand is why OP apparently didn't try to meet more like minded and interesting Spaniards while he was there.

What, and not be able to play the secret king/victim afterwards?

(05-21-2017 02:14 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  I've met French, Italians and Spanish who couldn't even tell me what the correct US capital is. Ignorance, unfortunately, is universal.

Most European "democracies" are basically run like a low-cost comedy service.

The US sucks too, politically, ...

This isn't a country for ambitious people or brilliant minds. Never was, never will be.

...but don't live here and don't raise your kids here. The education IS TERRIBLE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiosity

Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority—a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior—as well as to a sense of uniqueness: the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people.

Post: #70

Been in France for close to 4 years now. And I gotta say if you live in Europe, it's for the culture and food, not for the business. Girls are hotter too, and more varied.

You think it's long to wait in a line at DMV? Try renewing your French visa every year. Queuing up at 5AM and waiting till 11AM is normal.

In contrast I would much rather go eat magret de canard in a chill Parisian bistrot, rather than paying the gourmet price for a French restaurant in US. As a bland ex.

If you are business minded, definitely go to the USA IF YOU ARE AMERICAN. I dont see any reason for a non-liberal American to go live in Europe except for the culture.

A lot of people talk about America being the baddest, greatest country in the world forget that they are already American. For amiddle class foreigner without a proper visa, setting up a business in USA is extremely hard, just as finding a job.

Ironically, Europe is much more open to foreigner, and that's also its downfall. Since it's not gonna fall during my lifetime, better enjoy it while it lasts.

Post: #71

(05-23-2017 09:19 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Ironically, Europe is much more open to foreigner, and that's also its downfall. Since it's not gonna fall during my lifetime, better enjoy it while it lasts.

This I can agree with 100 percent.

I have many friends who are working jobs in Europe that they wouldn't get back "home" in to Canada/USA.

The women I met in Europe were miles ahead of women in North America.

There are more guys talking about Wroclaw than NYC/LA on this forum, that tells you something.

Post: #72

(05-23-2017 04:59 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 04:45 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  OP, Rocha is Portuguese.

I know...but Portuguese and Spaniards are brothers...let's just say...IBERIANS.

I seem to remember, hermano Baldrich, a post of you where you stated that "Spaniards hate the Portuguese"... suddenly they're reconciled?

Anyway, your observations on how nowadays most Spaniards are very mameros (staying close to their mothers up to an advanced age), are, generally speaking, true...

Regarding the quality of life and interest of local History in Spain, though, I think you're under-estimating the undeniable greatness of Spain: one of the most glorious nations ever, and the number-1 world destination for tourism.

(05-23-2017 04:13 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  "By the way, Germany. Great country. I was there recently and if I HAD to live on the European continent, it would most likely be Germany. I came away with very good impressions."

It's going to fall apart pretty quick at this rate: http://www.returnofkings.com/121462/i-ma...m-refugees

Lol at this picture from your ROK post:

Post: #73

(05-23-2017 09:05 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 03:57 AM)Gopnik Wrote:  What I don't understand is why OP apparently didn't try to meet more like minded and interesting Spaniards while he was there.

What, and not be able to play the secret king/victim afterwards?

(05-21-2017 02:14 PM)Baldrich Wrote:  I've met French, Italians and Spanish who couldn't even tell me what the correct US capital is. Ignorance, unfortunately, is universal.

Most European "democracies" are basically run like a low-cost comedy service.

The US sucks too, politically, ...

...but don't live here and don't raise your kids here. The education IS TERRIBLE

This isn't a country for ambitious people or brilliant minds. Never was, never will be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiosity

Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority—a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior—as well as to a sense of uniqueness: the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people.

I applaud you (sarcastically) for the free lesson in pseudo-psychology. You can now pat yourself on the back and congratulate yourself. "I've got him all figured out!"

Going strong Wrote:I seem to remember, hermano Baldrich, a post of you where you stated that "Spaniards hate the Portuguese"... suddenly they're reconciled?

Anyway, your observations on how nowadays most Spaniards are very mameros (staying close to their mothers up to an advanced age), are, generally speaking, true...

Regarding the quality of life and interest of local History in Spain, though, I think you're under-estimating the undeniable greatness of Spain: one of the most glorious nations ever, and the number-1 world destination for tourism.

I still say that - Spaniards tend to hate on the Portuguese. That doesn't mean they aren't very similar.

Undeniable greatness of Spain? LOL.

#1 destination for tourism? Nope - that would be FRANCE, followed by USA...#2 and then you get Spain at #3...but then again, if you measure a country's greatness by tourism, then China would be in the top 4 and China is a horrible place...so tourism isn't a good measure of a country's greatness and you know it.

Post: #74

(05-23-2017 11:36 AM)Going strong Wrote:  I seem to remember, hermano Baldrich, a post of you where you stated that "Spaniards hate the Portuguese"... suddenly they're reconciled?

Truth is nothing to a child; only a petty victory matters. Why be consistent? This, his grandiose and redundant thread, wasn't designed to share information on travel to Spain, but to signal superiority/victimhood. "The narcissist cries out in pain as he strikes you".

Quote:Anyway, your observations on how nowadays most Spaniards are very mameros (staying close to their mothers up to an advanced age), are, generally speaking, true...

Yes; and it is nothing new or particular in Southern Europe; see http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mammoni-th...s-of-italy

Nor is it relevant, this and his other phantom complaints have nothing to do with the purposes of this forum.

Post: #75

(05-23-2017 09:19 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Been in France for close to 4 years now. And I gotta say if you live in Europe, it's for the culture and food, not for the business. Girls are hotter too, and more varied.

You think it's long to wait in a line at DMV? Try renewing your French visa every year. Queuing up at 5AM and waiting till 11AM is normal.

In contrast I would much rather go eat magret de canard in a chill Parisian bistrot, rather than paying the gourmet price for a French restaurant in US. As a bland ex.

If you are business minded, definitely go to the USA IF YOU ARE AMERICAN. I dont see any reason for a non-liberal American to go live in Europe except for the culture.

A lot of people talk about America being the baddest, greatest country in the world forget that they are already American. For amiddle class foreigner without a proper visa, setting up a business in USA is extremely hard, just as finding a job.

Ironically, Europe is much more open to foreigner, and that's also its downfall. Since it's not gonna fall during my lifetime, better enjoy it while it lasts.

I don't find European girls hotter than American women at all...the only thing going for them is that they are much thinner (and this is RAPIDLY CHANGING, they are getting fatter and fatter) but that's about it. Rudeness and feminism is everywhere in Europe, just as in the US. There is no "charm" about Europe.

You say you'd much rather eat "magret de canard". Good! I can live without such fancy shmancy stuff. I'd much rather have a good old fashioned meatloaf and potatoes washed down with coffee afterwards and a good thick apple pie (and I still keep my weight down I am in great shape). I don't want to be in some snooty bistro munching away at pretentious euro food all while being unemployed or making a shitty salary as I sip wine and burn my lungs with euro smoke. NO THANKS.

You say a foreigner doesn't have it easy to set up a business in the US of A. Do you think Americans do? Do you think non-EU citizens have easy access to jobs in Europe? You must be joking. EU jobs go to EU people first and very few companies sponsor visas. European immigration laws are MUCH STRICTER than American immigration laws and even then, Europe does a very poor job of integrating its immigrants, what with all the terrorist attacks that are now commonplace. That doesn't happen nearly as often in America because immigrants in the US are much more "americanized" eventually.

As for culture, if I want to see museums and old cathedrals that's what airplanes are for. I don't need to live years and years in a place to "get culture". Culture is what you make of it and how far you are willing to travel or get educated about new things. It's not about living in a place. I know plenty of Spanish people who have lived in Madrid ALL their lives and have NEVER EVEN ONCE visited any cultural center and are just as ignorant as the most thickheaded redneck in Alabama.

Some people here are butthurt because they have this "dream" about Europe and their lives are so miserable in America that they think anywhere else
is better. Let's face it, no successful American guy would be fantasizing about coming to Europe to live and if they do, they always are making money in the US. Most Americans who come to live in Europe are actually women or people who marry into a Euro family or expats working in some international company. Most of the world is dying to emigrate to America, not to Euroland.