Post: #1

I've been running a direct form of daygame in Leipzig since the beginning of April and it's beginning to pay off, both in terms of getting dates and in terms of the quality of girl that I'm managing to attract. My biggest problem at the moment, though, is the following:

I will meet a girl and, halfway through the interaction or even towards the end, she will admit that she's already got a boyfriend, even though the girl is getting increasingly hot and bothered and I can feel the sexual tension mounting between us. By the way, nearly every single girl that I meet who responds like this is says she is in some form of relationship with a guy (at least 95%), so I feel that I can't afford to be overly fussy and to wait for the unicorn of a single attractive girl to come along, since I'll end up waiting forever in that case. I used to be the sort of person that would only consider a girl if she said explicitly she was definitely single, until I realized how fluid this concept is to women and after making the experience of how truly difficult it is to actually happen across single, good-looking younger women whilst daygaming.

Anyway, until very recently, I'd been hopeless at kino, even when out on dates with girls, a fact which, on reflection, explains most of my failure with women in recent years. Be that as it may, over the past week, I've started to incorporate some kino into my daygame routine and it has already yielded some curiously positive results. In particular, when I feel that there's a sexual chemistry building in the set, I'll put my hand on her right arm and start to slowly caress it whilst talking with her and eye-fucking her. Now, I've already done this a few times and I've not had one woman pull away; rather, it's only made her even more hot and bothered and some of them have even admitted this to me. With the exception of one woman today who didn't tell me she was in an LTR and who I ended up holding hands with and putting my arm around and exchanging contact details with, all the others came to their senses and pulled away in the end, saying that, although they enjoyed the flirtation, they didn't want to carry it any further on account of their relationship status.

Now, here's the deal: Given how flaky the women have been that I have managed to get out on a date, coupled with the insane amount of approaches that I have to make in order to generate just a handful of leads (most of which end up flaking anyway) I have come to the conclusion that I need to escalate quickly in the set by initiating kino as soon as I detect any signs of sexual interest, irrespective of whether she says she has a boyfriend or not, with the aim of going for the same day lay.

And the crucial question for me here is, after I notice the girl is still stood talking and vibing with me after I've started to caress her arm, what should I do next? Should I then attempt a bolder move, such as stroking her hair and see what she does, even though she has already said she has a boyfriend? Do any of you guys on here practice a rapid form of escalation when opening a set using primarily subcommunication through body language and kino, with a view to going for a SDL?

Please note: I'm not asking the question here of whether I should or should not pursue women who say they have boyfriends, I've already made my mind up on that one. I wish to discuss solely the question of how one should escalate once the first kino moves have been well-received in set.

Post: #2

Rapid escalation is fools gold at its finest.

Girl might be hot and bothered then and there by your bold moves and ballsy touch but that one thing alone will not make her wanna see you again. Buyers remorse is real baby. Go see for yourself.

The best state of mind that a girl can be in during you initial interaction is comfortable chill and casual. The same mood she will be in when you talk to her again to meet up again. Leaving her all excited or thrilled might seem good on paper but that does more harm than good.

I do not recommend focusing on touching at all. That will not make it easier for you.

Nr 1 thing you should be focused on is logistics. Finding out what is her current situation lifestyle in general and availability. In most cases that is the biggest hurdle to face. Players often fail before they even start cause a girl is just impossible to pick up in the first place. There are situations and circumstances that no game can beat.

Nr 2 thing is her investment. Whether it means time she spends with you or attention she gives you or how easily she follows your lead.. investment is key. If she has time for you and is more or less invested that is all you need really. It does not matter whether you touch her a lot or not then. All it matters is that she is is hooked anf in submission mode so physical compliance is just waiting to happen.

Post: #3

I could've written a lot in reply to your question and to XXL's response (with which at least partially I disagree), however you have ignored my answer and questions to the questions you asked in another elaborate thread (btw., what's the point to produce new threads on the same topic all the time?), henceforth I'll limit myself to suggesting to you to read extensively on blindsight.

You are a smart guy, so you can draw the conclusion by yourself how this particular cortical agnosia can be interpreted in the wider scope of human cognitive and non-cognitive functioning (and, by extension, human mating).

Post: #4

Even at night I don't tend to kiss if I want to get laid. It triggers the "I know what's going to happen if we're alone at his place, I'm protecting myself" response. If I just want to fool around but not pull, then I will kiss. But if pulling is your goal, kissing and heavy touching in the night, let alone the day, is indeed "fool's gold". It can produce some repulsed reactions, but yes, it can get some women hot and bothered momentarily. The question is, from that point, how are you going to bang this girl?

1. Keep up the momentum, bounce to a bar which is nearby and which is very near your apartment and which serves alcohol in the day, take a couple shots, get her hot and heavy, use an excuse like you need to charge your phone or you have this song you have to show her or this awesome bottle of wine you bought from Peru etc., then take her to your place and escalate to the bang. If you achieve this you're a mixture of really lucky and performing some pretty advanced day game.

This happens very, very infrequently because of logistics, sexually unavailable women (some of whom might have gotten a bit more loose had you met her when she was buzzed at night) and the fact that people in the day are usually doing something e.g. work, shopping etc. You're going for some really difficult shit without getting a "normal" daygame bang yet. If the thirst is unbearable, either try a bit of night game for a while or just go to SEA and fuck a lot of women.

2. Work on better initial interactions without the heavy touching, get her number/whatsapp as quickly and efficiently as you can, and play the numbers. Some girls on pings may be receptive when they were not initially due to changing situations etc. A lot of women are bored shitless and they will cheat and hop on to another relationship if the right guy comes along. They only have to be receptive to your advances. If they say they have a BF yet stick around, go for the contact always. How she acts in response is a better measure of where you're at than a statement that can have many meanings. XXL is very right in that there are some girls who are just impossible, and part of doing well is actually accepting the "defeat" as quickly and effortlessly as possible. This is very far from the "get any girl!" daygame marketing you see nowadays. From your successes you develop an intuition as to which ones are more likely to give you something.

You should be wary of making conclusions that may seem logical, but the reality is counterintuitive.

Post: #5

Another post?

Why not do one post about moving back to Germany - dating chronicles.

Post: #6

OK, here's an update on my daygaming activities up until today. I've now put in over 600 approaches over the past 9 weeks and have been on a string of dates with mostly younger, oftentimes much younger, women, nearly all them HB7 +, with a couple of HB8s included. Not only this, but I've had a few instadates, included ones where the girl has asked me out on the spot after having made an impression on her. Haven't gotten laid yet, although did end up on the bed of an early 20s hottie who ended up giving me LMR as a result of pangs of conscience over her BF that she would have cheated on.

Anyway, getting girls hot and bothered after 10 minutes of talking with them isn't such a bit problem for me anymore, nor is getting their contact details easily. Today, for example, I pulled the number of a smoking hot, early 20s girl of Persian girl from in front of the main railway station, after she'd given me some insane eye-fucking as she was waiting to cross the traffic lights. Given how womens' bitch shields are set to their maximum around this area because of all the Middle Eastern guys hanging around, as well as the other assorted undesirables, I regard it as a testament to how tight my game has become that I've managed to pull this off - and now for the second time. When I first started daygaming, I couldn't even get a girl to stop near the main railway station, let alone give me her number, in addition to getting some really good kino out of one of those sets. Prior to getting the Persian girl's number, I spotted a really cute German woman, late 20s, with a bountiful rack (just my cup of tea, girl-wise), and I made a hasty beeline to her. After just a few minutes of banter the sexual chemistry between us was intense. She'd already given me her business card before I had chance to ask for it and it didn't take long before I had my hands all over her, including kissing her neck (although she wouldn't let me kiss her on the lips). Although she mentioned that she had a BF, she said that she would be interested in meeting for "language exchange" which I took to be a hamsterization of her limbic desires to get hot and heavy with me. Went for the instadate, but she said that she needed to buy a present for her father and didn't have much time left, since the shops would be closing shortly. I pinged her an SMS earlier this evening and haven't yet heard anything back from her, but I suspect that she's already got buyer's remorse and that I can add her to my rollcall of flakes that is now plaguing my efforts at daygame.

And this, in a nutshell is the problem: Although I can clearly get the woman into something of a state in set, after we've gone our separate ways, the woman seems to get buyer's remorse, practically every time.

So, I've now given up on hoping to get the girl out on a date at a later stage and am now aiming at bringing them to boiling point and striking whilst the iron is hot (including my own, by the way), going for the same day lay. In future, when I get the girl into a horny state and we're eye-fucking each other like mad and she's responding to some intense kino, my plan now is to go for broke and proposition the girl there and then for sex, by inviting her back to my pad. It's an all or nothing approach, but the way I see it, I have nothing to lose, since the girl is almost certainly going to flake in any case.

A penny for your thoughts, fellas?

Post: #7

How many threads do you need to ask different versions of the same same question?

(03-29-2017 04:56 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  "Dont make out until you're in the bang location"

Say it with me

"Dont make out until you're in the bang location"

(03-29-2017 05:20 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(03-29-2017 05:01 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  She refused to come to my flat at the last minute, claiming that "it was too soon" for her, so we arranged to meet up at a concert instead. My suspicions regarding Borderline Personality Disorder, were, unfortunately, fully confirmed as the evening progressed because of her erratic behaviour and as a result I've had to cut this budding relationship short.

That's exactly why you don't make out until you're home.

"Let's go watch a movie / somewhere more private/ listen to music" before you ever kiss her indicates that's all that's going to happen...a kiss / makeout

"Let's go watch a movie / somewhere more private/ listen to music" yada yada after you've already kissed her means what?... What else is left?... Nothing but the bang

You want her to say "Oh my god I cant believe this is happening" on a park bench or on your bed?

Next time

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Post: #8

PapayaTapper is 100% on the money, listen to this guy OP.

OP - no offense, but are you sure you're not just hallucinating these "intense eye fucking" etc etc reactions from these women? It's a bit hard to believe you're eliciting these kinds of reactions consistently from women, yet somehow haven't managed to get laid in 3 whole years.

And finally - start looking into flights to SA/SEA already.

Post: #9

(06-09-2017 06:24 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  PapayaTapper is 100% on the money, listen to this guy OP.

OP - no offense, but are you sure you're not just hallucinating these "intense eye fucking" etc etc reactions from these women? It's a bit hard to believe you're eliciting these kinds of reactions consistently from women, yet somehow haven't managed to get laid in 3 whole years.

And finally - start looking into flights to SA/SEA already.

No, I'm pretty sure about that. The way the girl draws in close, the sparkle in the eyes, the way the girl tilts her head and looks up seductively at me whilst blushing, the returned kino, the intense stare, all the while constantly tucking her hair behind her ears, et.c., all strongly suggest this. I've only been getting these results over the past month, after I reached the point of eliminating practically all approach anxiety and also after I started to go into the set with a much more sexual vibe, so it's not like I've been trying this for 3+ years and getting nowhere for the length of my dry spell. Results are coming in quickly in terms of the women responding well in set (some of them even confirm they're attracted verbally and tempted but that they have a BF) yet once I'm out of the set, the buying temperature then cools down and all bets are off and I never hear back from the girl in 95% of cases.

With all due respect to PapayaTapper, I still want to find a way of getting the girl swept up in the moment and swept back to my place or hers for the bang, all within the space of an hour or so, max. It might not be an entirely mad strategy, I think, since many German women have told me how they almost never get approached by German guys on the street and that they wish more guys would do this. I also have the feeling that there is always a cohort of German girls, especially the ones in their early to mid 20s, who are looking for adventure of the sort that I'm peddling. The trick for me is to convert the incredibly validating fantasy trip that I take them on in the street to its realization in the bedroom in real time. This is my current stumbling block.

OK, I think from my experience that PapayaTapper is right, don't go for the kiss if you're aiming for the bang, including the same day one, but I'm still really curious as to whether a direct verbal proposition, i.e. "your place or mine?!", at the end of the interaction might not be what is needed, contrary to most game advice of letting the subcommunication do all the heavy lifting during set and never verbalizing one's intent, as a way for the girl to realize it's now or never for her, forgetting completely about going for the number or instadate.

So, my plan from today onwards is as follows: Forget about going for the girl's contact details at all. After raising the buying temperature to the point where the girl is getting hot and bothered, through strong sexual state projection and reinforced by sustained kino, I'm going to give them an ultimatum at the end of the interaction, by telling them how much I want to take them right now and intimate to them the naughty things I'm going to do to them and that it's take it or leave it offer with me. It's my new fuck me now or fuck off, all or nothing, strategy, in a nutshell.

I think it might work because some of the best results I've gotten thus far, e.g. when I've instadated a really hot girl that I would never have guessed would give me the time of day, came when I went totally off script and started getting really forward with them verbally and physically just after I'd met them, even contrary to my own intentions, joking about what I'd like to do with me in the sack and how much I loved their legs, as I started stroking them, even though I'd only just known her for five minutes. German girls are also very logical animals and respond particularly well to a very direct approach, I have found. I've lost count of the number of times that a German set that I've opened has asked me bluntly, "But what do you want from me? Get to the point!" and that when I have got to the point, the interaction has gone surprisingly well, despite the initial and somewhat off-puttingly brusque tone.

OK, thanks for the feedback, guys, but I'm going to road test this strategy today, however many cars I need to crash and burn, I'm going to do it anyway. I genuinely don't give a single flying fuck any longer as to what might happen when I try this, since I've already got nothing to lose but my load and the longer my epic dry spell drags on, the less of a fuck I give and the bolder my moves are getting.

As for booking a trip to SEA to get laid, I'm a stubborn bugger and am determined to give Leipzig a proper run for its money before I do so, and while I certainly haven't ruled it out as an option, it is a last resort for me.

Post: #10

Feld,

First, congratulations on your persistence and burning through 600 approaches. This, on it's own, calls for respect.

However, contextually, things seem way off. For whatever reason, your self-diagnostic re-calibration process doesn't click the way it should. When you're talking (and touching) to a girl, you address her "system 1", as per, dual process accounts of reasoning, which is unconscious, automatic, and probably (depending on the theory) activating limbic system and, perhaps, some primitive structures of cerebellum. System 1 is much, much older, evolutionarily speaking, then system 2. I can't stress enough how important it is to understand that. This is absolutely essential for SDLs.

Also, be aware of confirmation bias. It's more frequent than you think it is. Some girls' signals will be neutral, yet you'll interpret them in your favour. This isn't that bad. Man's conviction and entitlement may make a girl change her from 'very weak maybe' girl to 'maybe, strong maybe' girl.

As for going for SDLs. I think you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid. What you intend to do is NOT seducing them but treating them like prostitutes requesting to make decision on the spot.

At best, you'll be getting negative answers (ok, you can have a fluke, like 1 out of 100 but that's NOT game), at worst, burning through such a small city (I live in similar one population wise and bump into girls I approached again and again), you'll earn yourself very bad reputation of a sleazebag, including a charge with sexual harassment. After all Germany is a very PC country, isn't it? Sooner or later, you'll approach a crazy feminist who will have none of it and will do all she can to make your life hell.

Does that mean I say no to SDLs? Not at all. But overtly propositioning sex on the street is not seduction. Girls will have sex with you on the same day, after short interaction, in broad daylight but they WANT to be seduced expertly, they don't want to feel like cheap sluts.

Your approaches activate the aforesaid system 1. But then, your ASKING them to make a decision is, ironically, paradigmatically activation of system 2 (the conscious, rational "decision maker"). Game over. Seduction to a large extent means LEADING a girl. She follows you because she's under your spell. You'll understand than once you succeed. Postcoitally, a SDLed girl, will quickly "come to her senses", look around your place with disbelief and even express it verbally "how did that just happen?" or a variation thereof. Her system 2 kicked in again. After all, rationally, for any girl, being a physically much weaker, going to a stranger's house and all the potential implicated danger, then having (unprotected) sex with him, without actually knowing anything about him, and not knowing where she is, is fucking (pun intended) crazy, isn't it?

Well, it happened because you've overridden her system 2 by seducing her and addressing her system 1. The approach is the initial part of the process which requires idate, alcohol (this is essential - you need to give her plausible deniability - it just "happened" and justification she's not a slut), medium pace to fast verbal and physical escalation, then a final extraction to sex location.

Speaking of kissing - I always kiss the girl along the process before extraction to sex location. I won't go behind the reasons because they are not aimed for this post.

You OUGHT to do your research first. I think that the most comprehensive and detailed explanation of SDL is in Krauser's Daygame Mastery. Do yourself a favour, and read through it or at least read through this and this and this.

There's much more material out there but now you should have bare bones how to do it properly. Educate yourself so you won't embarrass our community.

Good luck and I hope you won't get arrested ;-)

P.S.

If you manage it under "one hour max" with a hot girl, you can start teaching the pros like Roosh, Torero, Krauser, and others.

Post: #11

Man you have serious balls to do what you're doing in a western country, though DE I found was decidedly more "free" than the US, UK or CA. Still it's a pretty PC country and like ksbms said when you're running numbers as big as you are there is statistically a fair chance you could get into some trouble with it.

Still I have to say congratulations on your progress. You're doing it the hard way, and step by step, you're seeing concrete results. First you could barely get stops, then the opener wouldn't hook, etc. etc. now all the way to instant dates and interest (at least while you're still standing there), and a 20 year old "almost" (damn!) Even if it is extremely difficult and in the "advanced" category you're using your thirst to improve your results which can only be applauded, and this applies also if it turns out you need to adjust your strategy to a slower more typical "daygame". I mean this in the same way PPT does: if you are making out and have your hands all over her in the day in a public place, then this looks impressive to guys who haven't done day time cold approach but the value of doing this on your bed vs in public is about 100x more. You want to be saving that passionate stuff for a private place.

Right now what you're doing is likely to work better in street game at night when girls are drunk and don't have to be anywhere else and your place is conveniently nearby aka "gutter game".

Post: #12

(06-10-2017 06:15 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Feld,

First, congratulations on your persistence and burning through 600 approaches. This, on it's own, calls for respect.

However, contextually, things seem way off. For whatever reason, your self-diagnostic re-calibration process doesn't click the way it should. When you're talking (and touching) to a girl, you address her "system 1", as per, dual process accounts of reasoning, which is unconscious, automatic, and probably (depending on the theory) activating limbic system and, perhaps, some primitive structures of cerebellum. System 1 is much, much older, evolutionarily speaking, then system 2. I can't stress enough how important it is to understand that. This is absolutely essential for SDLs.

Also, be aware of confirmation bias. It's more frequent than you think it is. Some girls' signals will be neutral, yet you'll interpret them in your favour. This isn't that bad. Man's conviction and entitlement may make a girl change her from 'very weak maybe' girl to 'maybe, strong maybe' girl.

As for going for SDLs. I think you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid. What you intend to do is NOT seducing them but treating them like prostitutes requesting to make decision on the spot.

At best, you'll be getting negative answers (ok, you can have a fluke, like 1 out of 100 but that's NOT game), at worst, burning through such a small city (I live in similar one population wise and bump into girls I approached again and again), you'll earn yourself very bad reputation of a sleazebag, including a charge with sexual harassment. After all Germany is a very PC country, isn't it? Sooner or later, you'll approach a crazy feminist who will have none of it and will do all she can to make your life hell.

Does that mean I say no to SDLs? Not at all. But overtly propositioning sex on the street is not seduction. Girls will have sex with you on the same day, after short interaction, in broad daylight but they WANT to be seduced expertly, they don't want to feel like cheap sluts.

Your approaches activate the aforesaid system 1. But then, your ASKING them to make a decision is, ironically, paradigmatically activation of system 2 (the conscious, rational "decision maker"). Game over. Seduction to a large extent means LEADING a girl. She follows you because she's under your spell. You'll understand than once you succeed. Postcoitally, a SDLed girl, will quickly "come to her senses", look around your place with disbelief and even express it verbally "how did that just happen?" or a variation thereof. Her system 2 kicked in again. After all, rationally, for any girl, being a physically much weaker, going to a stranger's house and all the potential implicated danger, then having (unprotected) sex with him, without actually knowing anything about him, and not knowing where she is, is fucking (pun intended) crazy, isn't it?

Well, it happened because you've overridden her system 2 by seducing her and addressing her system 1. The approach is the initial part of the process which requires idate, alcohol (this is essential - you need to give her plausible deniability - it just "happened" and justification she's not a slut), medium pace to fast verbal and physical escalation, then a final extraction to sex location.

Speaking of kissing - I always kiss the girl along the process before extraction to sex location. I won't go behind the reasons because they are not aimed for this post.

You OUGHT to do your research first. I think that the most comprehensive and detailed explanation of SDL is in Krauser's Daygame Mastery. Do yourself a favour, and read through it or at least read through this and this and this.

There's much more material out there but now you should have bare bones how to do it properly. Educate yourself so you won't embarrass our community.

Good luck and I hope you won't get arrested ;-)

P.S.

If you manage it under "one hour max" with a hot girl, you can start teaching the pros like Roosh, Torero, Krauser, and others.

Thanks for such a detailed response to my post, KSBMS, it's much appreciated. To address your main point straight away, I am aware of the limbic/rational dichotomy when it comes to understanding female sexual behaviour and my current thinking certainly takes that into account. But as I explained in my last posts, I'm facing two very strong headwinds at the moment: Firstly, women saying they already have partners and secondly, girls that don't mention anything about a partner and who hook and give me their details are flaking at a rate of around 90%. Now, curiously, the girl who I mentioned in my last post (the one who admitted to having a BF but who I was caressing yesterday) did answer my SMS ping and suggested we could meet up for lunch next week. Assuming that she doesn't flake in the meantime (a very big if, I admit), it's at least evidence that my sense of her interest wasn't just confirmation bias, but based on a little more that. I actually ran the game you suggested in your last comment, in that when I SMSed her I mentioned that we could meet up "for English/German practice", even though she couldn't possibly, deep down, believe that a guy who had been kissing her neck 24 hours earlier is primarily motivated by a desire to brush up his knowledge of German irregular verb forms.

As for always leading a girl, yes, I'm fully aware of this, too and I've used this to good effect when I've instadated girls in the centre of town, although I've always stumbled with escalating in a way that doesn't trigger system 2, I must admit.

Would you have any tips on how to reduce the rate of flaking that I'm experiencing? The women that give me their details really do seem keen at the time and some of them even offer their contact details before I ask for them, yet even they've mostly flaked. It's incredibly frustrating and is responsible for my hatching ever more daring plots to find a girl that's down to bang. I feel like I'm missing a vital piece of the jigsaw but I just can't figure out what it is.

Post: #13

The best thing would be, in my opinion, to read Daygame Mastery. The re-read it. Then apply. And re-read specific sections again. I think that Krauser's date game model is as good as it gets.

Maybe the approaches are to fizzy, too sexual without you grounding them - not enough comfort and rapport and normality?

Also, the flakiness rate may have something to do with your text-game?

Post: #14

Would you have any tips on how to reduce the rate of flaking that I'm experiencing? The women that give me their details really do seem keen at the time and some of them even offer their contact details before I ask for them, yet even they've mostly flaked. It's incredibly frustrating and is responsible for my hatching ever more daring plots to find a girl that's down to bang. I feel like I'm missing a vital piece of the jigsaw but I just can't figure out what it is.
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If life, one can do things the easy way, or do them the hard way.

Daygame in Germany? Definitely doing it the hard way.

That said...

"I have to go": You escalated too fast. Invest more time talking about normal shit, building comfort, walking around, and light touching.

"I have a boyfriend": NEXT. Yes it's possible to convert a small percentage. But you're probably wasting your time. Yeah it feels bad to cut bait after you've approached a hot girl, and exciting that she's still talking to you. But the male brain is great at lying to itself. Makes it seems like you're progressing. When in reality you're just spinning your wheels. Yes it limits your options. 1 out of 10 is about right.


Here's the daygame piece I suspect you're missing; The indecent proposal. "What are you doing later? Want to come back to my place?". This move is so goddamn bold, sometimes it works. Note you should say this AFTER you've spent an hour or so walking together, leading her, after she's let you touch her, and maybe after a makeout, and instadate phase has run it's interesting course and come to a close. There's no logical place left to go from here, except sex.

She'll get turned on by the bold proposition, but say no. That's ok. Change the subject for a few minutes. She'll come back with, "Do you ask all girls that?", or something to that effect. Then try again. "Haha. It's a good thing we aren't going back to my place, or I'd be doing very bad things to you." Then change the subject.
"Is it really thanksgiving next week? This month just flew by huh."

The key to daygame closing is to STATE your intentions boldly, ask for the sale multiple times/ways, and take it away when she says no or acts indecisive. Hang in there. Keep trying. It's not over until she leaves.

And forget about phone numbers. They're almost worthless.

Post: #15

I saw two women together I wanted to bang right away today. We were on a train platform together. They were together chatting. I was sitting next to the most annoying women blabbing on and on into her care bear telephone. I stood up and got away from her, and leaned on a post next to the two. I kept checking out the latina. A White Men Can Jump era Rosie Perez, with a belly ring. Tight stomach, tight body, like a yoga instructor. She saw me checking her out, she was looking back. Then she asks me if a train is coming, total bs question. The train comes, I had the choice of the train with the care bear phone lady or the two hotties, you know where I went. They sat down, I stood across from them reading. The latina kept looking up at me, I kept giving her looks. Our stop came up, and sure enough I look over and she is hard neck turning looking at me smiling as I got off the train. Boom.

I could have just walked up and kissed this woman. Hotel Tonight is my logistics. Used to walk up and start making out at Dead shows back in the day. I used to have SDL's from day game, haven't in a while. Getting ready to go away on a long trip, and I just want to stay home and approach. I have that buzz for approaching again, I haven't felt it in a while, like anything can happen and instant chemisty just from looking at someone, and having her notice you. You have to have that level of connection, through the eyes and body language. Its sensual, and you have to feel it. Its not rehearsed like lines or tactics. Use your eyes. I used to practice it on strippers. Once you know how to use your eyes you can really draw someone in.

Post: #16

O.P. the main problem is no doubt that you are in Germany. If you were a country more conducive to meeting women you wouldn't even need strong game. Just spam approaching with mediocre game is enough to get you laid somewhat consistently in the right countries.

Post: #17

(06-15-2017 03:52 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  O.P. the main problem is no doubt that you are in Germany. If you were a country more conducive to meeting women you wouldn't even need strong game. Just spam approaching with mediocre game is enough to get you laid somewhat consistently in the right countries.

Leipzig not that far from Poznan, Poland.

Might be a conducive for you, Feld, reconnaissance to go there and compare responsiveness of Polish vs Germany pussy. Also, some RVF guys are based in the city so you could get some feedback on your approaches and what not. Might go there myself in July as well.

Post: #18

ABE
Always Be Escalating

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Post: #19

(06-15-2017 03:52 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  O.P. the main problem is no doubt that you are in Germany. If you were a country more conducive to meeting women you wouldn't even need strong game. Just spam approaching with mediocre game is enough to get you laid somewhat consistently in the right countries.

Yes, this is what I had thought for a long time and, in a sense, I still believe it to be true. Germany is not good a territory for daygame if you compare it with countries in South America, eastern Europe or South East Asia, but it's still possible, all the same, I've come to realize. It's obvious to me from meeting the occasional Polish or Russian girl during my daygaming sessions how much more receptive central and eastern European women are to being opened compared to their German peers, but, because I happen to like the German phenotype and I'm currently happy in my current German habitat, I've resisted the not inconsiderable temptation to move to greener, or should I say, pinkier pussy pastures further east.

But I digress, since I wanted to describe in this space my experiences since last posting on this forum, in particular those occurring in the last 48 hours, which have been bizarre, to put it mildly. During this time, I've scaled back the number of approaches - partly out of exhaustion from getting so very little out of the process - but have seen my results suddenly sky-rocket in the last few days. Now, whether this is just co-incidence or down to my advancing no-fap streak (currently on day 44 on monk mode), increased working out (just push-ups, no gym activities) or on account of some other mysterious factor, I can't say, but I what I can say is that there has been a sudden reduction in the flakiness of women who have given me their contact details and, on top of this, of women who have asked me for my details before I've had the chance to ask them.

Today, for example, has been nothing short of mind-boggling: During the meet up with a HB6.5 who, incidentally, had asked me out on a date after I'd given her my phone number, I noticed that she was giving me quite strong "fuck me" eyes during our conversation. In the past, I'd have royally self-sabotaged myself by playing it safe and so refrained - or should I rather say restrained - myself from doing anything to risk coming off as "creepy", thus guaranteeing that I wouldn't see the woman again for dust. This morning, however, after a few seconds of locking eyes with her and, in utter silence, I take my hand and start stroking her face. She then leans in and I just go straight for the kiss and we then start making out very quickly. Unfortunately, she had to catch a train to another part of the country that morning and won't be back in town for a few weeks, but at least it's a start, I think to myself on our parting ways.

But it gets better as the day wears on. Although I feel she's a very strong contender to finally end my epic 3+ year dry spell, thus lessening the incentive for me to continue gaming, I wonder to myself what will happen were I try opening a few more sets. After all, it's hardly like I've got anything to lose, since the momentum is with me and it often makes to sense to continue playing the game when you're on a roll. So, it's now noon and, after a couple of blowouts in the supermarket, I chance upon a leggy brunette, nerdy-looking and sporting those ironic but for me, at least, sexy dark-rimmed glasses that seem so ubiquitous as female accessories these days. Now, bearing in mind that this is a native German, late 20s HB7, a type that has repeatedly given me the boyfriend line or blown me off as a matter of course in the past, I wasn't even expecting her to give me the time of day. Anyway, the set starts off awkwardly, but she is still talking, so I persist but don't really expect it to go anywhere. However, I notice, again, the eye-fucking I'm getting from her is telling me something else, even though I have the feeling that I'm running out conversational fuel to keep the conversation alive. But then something odd happens: As other shoppers start to build up, trying to get past us and it's clear we're causing a bit of an obstruction at the entrance to the shop, she asks me whether I've got time to grab a coffee with her. I play it cool and tell her, OK, but not for long, since I've got to get back to work in less than an hour and we so go and grab a quick coffee in the bakery around the corner. But it gets stranger still once we're sat down in the coffee shop. After finding out that she works for a music academy, but only in the capacity of a secretary, she starts asking about my interests and I let it slip that I've an interest in German philosophy. As soon as I mention this, her eyes light up like a Christmas tree and she proceeds to reveal an interest in Heidegger's works, which I happen to know reasonably well and which then really set the conversational fire alight. After I bail from the coffee shop, she ends up walking with me to my tram stop, even though it's in the opposite direction to where she wanted to go and we conclude our instdate by her handing me her contact details.

The cherry on the cake, however, came when I spotted a leggy brunette in the main mall in the city and she seemed to flash me an IOI. At first I wasn't going to react to this, since I was ready to open another set that I'd spotted just before, but some strange voice in my head told me to go after her instead. Wearing a low-cut and tight-fitting dress with a figure to die for, including a bountiful rack quite out of place on a typical German woman, I assumed that she must be foreign. Anyway, I run after her and catch up with her just as she exits the mall and run my usual routine on her. At first, I'm thinking, what's the point, she's easily an HB8, there's no way she isn't already dating some guy, probably a sugar daddy type or other form of sponsor, but I just continue to see where it all goes. True to her high SMV, she lets me do all the rowing in the conversation - well, it's still a Q & A session at this stage - but, just like in the previous two encounters, I notice her eyes are really starting to sparkle and get very intense, flaring up during those moments when I give her the elevator up-down look, visually soaking up everything that she has on very public display. But then things take a turn into the Twilight Zone: After mentioning my love of classical music, she tells me that used to play as a professional musician for a world-famous orchestra and then starts to reel off some famous conductors that she's performed with. After trying to call her out for bullshitting me, she starts to name various performances that I can check on YouTube, so I start to mentally make notes. After about 10 minutes of conversation about music, I tell her that I've got to go and finish my shopping and, before I get chance to go, she asks me for my number and says that we should meet up in the near future. The cherry on the cake, though, is when I get home and check YouTube and recognize multiple videos of her in the orchestra, not just in Germany, but around the world.

I'm still trying to process all of this, from the make-out with the German girl in the coffee shop this morning who had asked me out and then paid for our drinks, to the girl in the shop who instadated me and who had a burning interest in the philosophy of Heidegger, right through to the professional musician who personally knows some of the world's most famous conductors. To say that you couldn't make this shit up would be the understatement of the year.

The most unnerving part of all of this is that I can't say what has changed in my approaches. I've recently crossed the 1000 approach line, but that in and of itself had actually made me feel more depressed than anything else, since I had produced so little by way of results to show for it, until quite recently.

Have any of you ever experienced anything like this? That is, that one piece of success with a woman suddenly snowballs into multiple successes in close succession?

One thought which has been vexing me today as a result is the following: That women can detect when a guy has had physical contact with another woman through some psychic mechanism, since I am 100% convinced that nothing has changed in either my body language or even the delivery of my Game that can explain this otherwise. This same phenomenon, although not in not quite an extreme a way as today, occurred to me around 6 weeks ago, in similar circumstances: I had been on a long no-fap streak and took a bratty 23-year old hottie out on a date. After she was blowing hot and cold, I got fed up with her and gave her an ultimatum, "It's either fuck me or fuck off" and she then took me back to her bedroom. Unfortunately for me, I encountered stiff LMR as she experienced pangs of conscience about the fact that she was about to cheat on her beta bitch of a boyfriend that she had posted up on her smartphone, so that escapade didn't go anywhere. But the same day, I also instadated a German girl visiting from another part of the country who gave me insanely intense eye-fucking from the get go of opening her, even though I never saw her again.

What is happening here? I can't understand how I can go for weeks and get one blow out and another and then suddenly have desirable girls not just asking me out but also instadating me. What's the piece of the jigsaw that I'm missing here? Have I finally lost the plot but just don't realize it?

Post: #20

My guess is that when you experienced success then your inner game became stronger and everything became more congruent. So there would be changes in microexpressions and subtle things people don't normally notice, but the congruence would really help.

Post: #21

So, Feldein, this is my take on your last post, which coincides much with what the above poster The Catalyst said.

First off, success in anything in life, including with women, usually doesn't come in a steady fashion. I am not saying if you look at it on a grander scale, like over the course of a decade, it won't appear to be steady growth, but in day to day reality success is usually one spurt forward and upward, then a plateau or even decline, followed by another spurt. The only thing that will make these spurts continue and become more frequent in consistent effort, or else blind luck. I am not saying this is always the case, but it is true in the vast majority of times and situations. If you look at older PUA stuff they will always talk about 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

This is probably what you are experiencing. The reason you probably didn't notice or feel like you were making progress is because your view on progress is outcome dependent ie if I don't get a make out or lay or whatever I haven't accomplished anything. This is a reasonable outlook, but it misses the point that as far as I can tell you are truly a beginner. I know you are beyond approach anxiety, which is the first step, but this is a long process. Intelligence does help a lot, and I'm sure you're intelligent, but it is a different tool than social adeptness which is also different then romantic adeptness or game. Guys like you, who seem to have a lot of knowledge, often shoot themselves in the foot for knowing too much. I am not usually treated like a nerd, but I have a list of high academic accomplishments and knowledge, and I've noticed more and more with time, although I knew this on an abstract level, that telling girls or talking about any subject that doesn't center on them or the female/male dynamic or other "chick crack" doesn't do anything for you at all, unless you happen to have common interests like what seems to have happened with you lately. Even then, common interests do not translate into "fuck me", but they can go a long way in the comfort building part of things (get her too comfortable and you become a friend).

I have never done no fap for more than I think 4-5 days at most, so I cannot speak to it being positive or negative. I will say that I personally think it is more negative than positive both physically and psychologically, but I'm sure it has it's benefits. I don't think no fap is in any way helping you get better with women, except maybe by effecting you psychologically in a way that makes you more daring, goal oriented, and for lack of a better word aggressive. I fap usually once a day and got 4 notches last month even though I didn't pursue a fraction of my numbers beyond a short text or two. On a related topic, however, I will say that I have given up porn, with one exception, for a couple of weeks or so now and I think it has had a positive effect.

Now on to what I think is happening. If you have recently done 1000 approaches and still have not gotten a new notch, which is how I understand your situation pertaining to your current 3 year dry spell, then that means you have some flaw in your game that needs to be fixed and you should keep pushing forward through the years to remedy it.

MY BIGGEST ADVICE TO YOU IS TO NOT PUSH HARD FOR SEX AT THIS STAGE, GO THROUGH WHAT MAY SEEM LIKE A VERY LONG PROCESS BY THE STANDARDS OF PEOPLE HERE WITH THESE GIRLS. By this I mean every time a number turns into a first date, put sex out of your mind, and focus on making a second date happen. The guys here that are recommending trying to get laid on the first or second or at max third date are either more adept at making that happen than you, or else they are just saying what they've heard from others or think. Can you get laid the same day, after the first, second, or third date? Sure. That being said, if you met a physically attractive and intellectually stimulating girl and had to go on ten dates over 2 months to sleep with her, would you be willing to do that to get the ball rolling for you? The thing is no one says you have to go out with 10 girls and lay them all on the first or second date. You can find three or four girls over a given period of time that are willing to see you more and more and make sex a gradual process. At this point it seems to me like when you push for sex you are wreaking of desperation, not charming the pants off of her like many guys do.

When I said last month I got 4 new notches one of them was with a girl that it took 4-5 dates before she let me come to her apartment. Shortly after that I had some phenomenal sex with her. Now is that anything worth noting if I am a game superstar? No. But for a guy that is learning and growing it is another part of gaining experience.

All this being said, I am not saying to not physically escalate with the girls, just make it a more gradual process and do so mainly non verbally. If I were to give you a formula for how to escalate, it would be give her a strong hug after the first date. By strong hug I mean grab her around the waist and let her put her arms around your neck and pull her in so her breasts are pressed against your chest. This is both non threatening (ie read non sexual) and very romantic/sexual/manly at the same time. After the second date find a way to get the kissing going. I have several ways of doing this, but it can be anything from just reading her and going for a kiss to any other way you can develop. The goal here is not to get a make out with tongue or anything, it is just to make her mind accept you more and more sexually, without crossing the line. After the third date go for an ass grab or a little slap on the ass. Depending on your level and how you read the situation a little breast play can happen, but don't go for the tits if you aren't sure. After this point you just have to read the situation and see what is called for, but if you have your own place the goal should be to get her there without explicitly talking about sex (ie make an excuse) or have her invite you to her place. An excuse to get her over can be as simple as come up and try some wine but only one glass, let's watch a movie, let's continue the conversation where we can take off our shoes and be more comfortable, or anything else.

This would be an example of how you should play the slow game in order to start progressing beyond just approaches and random dates. You should definitely be looking for sealing the deal as soon as you can, but sometimes, and maybe particularly in your situation, playing the slow game will actually be the fastest way for you to begin getting laid.

Also, for the love of God don't find one girl and just stick with her for however long. Most likely you will end up in a shit relationship where she will grow disgusted by you and you will be hurt. This isn't to say you aren't capable or having a great relationship or even lucking out with one, but IMHO you need to learn right now, not just get consistent sex from one girl. None of this is me telling you not to have a main girl, just find a suitable main girl and do things on the side if you do in fact want a main chick.

Ok, finally onto what you actually asked. The most likely explanation for what is happening with your recent success is something has shifted in your body language due to an internal/mental shift. This is exactly what the above poster said. From what I can tell is you have become less needy, which is probably one of the top things that turn a woman off and make the pussy dry. The reason you had more success with the girl that you said "fuck me or fuck off" to is that that mindset and comment are the opposite of needy. By saying it you communicated that you are willing to lose her if she doesn't meet your expectations. That won't always work and probably rarely will with where you are in terms of your game, but it surely beats being a needy guy.

If you keep pushing forward you will eliminate more and more bad habits/issues that you have both consciously through experience, but more importantly subconsciously. I say more importantly because women can tell where a man is at in his game. For example, I haven't gotten laid in a week or two (although I haven't really been trying), but because my confidence, subconsciously controlled actions, and experience has made it so that nearly every girl I speak to is incredibly pleasant with me regardless of the outcome of the approach. Even a couple of months ago I would get many more blowouts and expressions like I'm weirding them out.

Finally, about the LMR issue you mentioned. LMR is a very real thing. The only cure for it is to be incredibly patient, and the only rule is never get her to sleep with you by force, coercion, or trickery. When you have a girl alone with you where it is clear that you want sex she knows what the deal is, but she will give more or less resistance depending on her own issues and how things have gone between the two of you. Sometimes LMR can take hours. This doesn't mean just sit there for hours trying to touch her and get her ready for it. It can mean get physical, she stops you, then you change the topic or actions to something like drinking or watching a movie or talking, then you try again, and on and on.

Good luck. I see some lays coming into your life relatively shortly with how things are going.

Post: #22

Tl;dr: Drop the sexuality from your Daygame... and you'll Bang easy since you have Broad offering to fallow up & shit! Your location is not the issue since you're doing quite good. You actually seem to have fun Daygaming... so location might not be ideal... but sufficient for you to Eat!

I haven't fallowed your thread religiously... but from your last post... you definitely know what you're doing. However... I did catch the advice that many many poster gave you before about not being overtly sexual before you get her in the Bedroom! When DayGamin... it is so tempting to go Beastmode when you see tight ass leggings all around you... but that's FoolsGold my friend!

I'm not the first one to tell you that! Women simply do not have the ability be overtly sexual during the Daytime... especially without alcohol! As per Roosh's expertise... you're "scaring the cat away my friend". Being sexual on the front end is giving you some fun results yeah... some makeouts cool... but it's hurting Bang rate! Women associate this moment as being irrationally stupid... and simply can't fallow up with you since you're the cause of that stupidity!

Ask yourself this: would a chick honestly admit to her friend that she was kissed by a complete stranger... within minutes of meeting? I get that it's fun... but you're past the Newbie stage... so if you wanna Bang... you gotta let this kino mentality during Daygame go. No matter what happened; you in fact probably blew it by kissing your chick from today.

A nice convo about where she's going... and subtly telling her you'll be all ears on her wonderful adventures when she comes back would've created such a massive incentive for her to fallow up with you ... but due to your makeout...it's now in limbo... and trying to keep this sexual vibe for more than 2 days... well you know how hard it is since you've experienced the flake rate!


Your location has nothing to do with this. By the way you're describing you approaches... YOU ARE KILLING IT! For some Dude DayGame is mental warfare personified... while you get WOMEN GIVING YOU INFO! From the short snipped that I've read from you... if you completely Drop any overt sexuality from your Game... and get you ramble Game tight... I GARANTY YOU that you'll become a Same Day Lay Candidate if your logistic are in place.


The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over again... and expecting a different results. Many certified playas told you to drop the overt sexuality and making out from you Game... yet you're still doing it. Stop being Insane my man... and your flake rate will still go even lower... and you'll Bang these German Broad! I use to average 2 Instadate per 6 hours... and never had any Broad offer me shit

Post: #23

(07-14-2017 04:26 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 03:52 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  O.P. the main problem is no doubt that you are in Germany. If you were a country more conducive to meeting women you wouldn't even need strong game. Just spam approaching with mediocre game is enough to get you laid somewhat consistently in the right countries.

Yes, this is what I had thought for a long time and, in a sense, I still believe it to be true. Germany is not good a territory for daygame if you compare it with countries in South America, eastern Europe or South East Asia, but it's still possible, all the same, I've come to realize. It's obvious to me from meeting the occasional Polish or Russian girl during my daygaming sessions how much more receptive central and eastern European women are to being opened compared to their German peers, but, because I happen to like the German phenotype and I'm currently happy in my current German habitat, I've resisted the not inconsiderable temptation to move to greener, or should I say, pinkier pussy pastures further east.

But I digress, since I wanted to describe in this space my experiences since last posting on this forum, in particular those occurring in the last 48 hours, which have been bizarre, to put it mildly. During this time, I've scaled back the number of approaches - partly out of exhaustion from getting so very little out of the process - but have seen my results suddenly sky-rocket in the last few days. Now, whether this is just co-incidence or down to my advancing no-fap streak (currently on day 44 on monk mode), increased working out (just push-ups, no gym activities) or on account of some other mysterious factor, I can't say, but I what I can say is that there has been a sudden reduction in the flakiness of women who have given me their contact details and, on top of this, of women who have asked me for my details before I've had the chance to ask them.

Today, for example, has been nothing short of mind-boggling: During the meet up with a HB6.5 who, incidentally, had asked me out on a date after I'd given her my phone number, I noticed that she was giving me quite strong "fuck me" eyes during our conversation. In the past, I'd have royally self-sabotaged myself by playing it safe and so refrained - or should I rather say restrained - myself from doing anything to risk coming off as "creepy", thus guaranteeing that I wouldn't see the woman again for dust. This morning, however, after a few seconds of locking eyes with her and, in utter silence, I take my hand and start stroking her face. She then leans in and I just go straight for the kiss and we then start making out very quickly. Unfortunately, she had to catch a train to another part of the country that morning and won't be back in town for a few weeks, but at least it's a start, I think to myself on our parting ways.

But it gets better as the day wears on. Although I feel she's a very strong contender to finally end my epic 3+ year dry spell, thus lessening the incentive for me to continue gaming, I wonder to myself what will happen were I try opening a few more sets. After all, it's hardly like I've got anything to lose, since the momentum is with me and it often makes to sense to continue playing the game when you're on a roll. So, it's now noon and, after a couple of blowouts in the supermarket, I chance upon a leggy brunette, nerdy-looking and sporting those ironic but for me, at least, sexy dark-rimmed glasses that seem so ubiquitous as female accessories these days. Now, bearing in mind that this is a native German, late 20s HB7, a type that has repeatedly given me the boyfriend line or blown me off as a matter of course in the past, I wasn't even expecting her to give me the time of day. Anyway, the set starts off awkwardly, but she is still talking, so I persist but don't really expect it to go anywhere. However, I notice, again, the eye-fucking I'm getting from her is telling me something else, even though I have the feeling that I'm running out conversational fuel to keep the conversation alive. But then something odd happens: As other shoppers start to build up, trying to get past us and it's clear we're causing a bit of an obstruction at the entrance to the shop, she asks me whether I've got time to grab a coffee with her. I play it cool and tell her, OK, but not for long, since I've got to get back to work in less than an hour and we so go and grab a quick coffee in the bakery around the corner. But it gets stranger still once we're sat down in the coffee shop. After finding out that she works for a music academy, but only in the capacity of a secretary, she starts asking about my interests and I let it slip that I've an interest in German philosophy. As soon as I mention this, her eyes light up like a Christmas tree and she proceeds to reveal an interest in Heidegger's works, which I happen to know reasonably well and which then really set the conversational fire alight. After I bail from the coffee shop, she ends up walking with me to my tram stop, even though it's in the opposite direction to where she wanted to go and we conclude our instdate by her handing me her contact details.

The cherry on the cake, however, came when I spotted a leggy brunette in the main mall in the city and she seemed to flash me an IOI. At first I wasn't going to react to this, since I was ready to open another set that I'd spotted just before, but some strange voice in my head told me to go after her instead. Wearing a low-cut and tight-fitting dress with a figure to die for, including a bountiful rack quite out of place on a typical German woman, I assumed that she must be foreign. Anyway, I run after her and catch up with her just as she exits the mall and run my usual routine on her. At first, I'm thinking, what's the point, she's easily an HB8, there's no way she isn't already dating some guy, probably a sugar daddy type or other form of sponsor, but I just continue to see where it all goes. True to her high SMV, she lets me do all the rowing in the conversation - well, it's still a Q & A session at this stage - but, just like in the previous two encounters, I notice her eyes are really starting to sparkle and get very intense, flaring up during those moments when I give her the elevator up-down look, visually soaking up everything that she has on very public display. But then things take a turn into the Twilight Zone: After mentioning my love of classical music, she tells me that used to play as a professional musician for a world-famous orchestra and then starts to reel off some famous conductors that she's performed with. After trying to call her out for bullshitting me, she starts to name various performances that I can check on YouTube, so I start to mentally make notes. After about 10 minutes of conversation about music, I tell her that I've got to go and finish my shopping and, before I get chance to go, she asks me for my number and says that we should meet up in the near future. The cherry on the cake, though, is when I get home and check YouTube and recognize multiple videos of her in the orchestra, not just in Germany, but around the world.

I'm still trying to process all of this, from the make-out with the German girl in the coffee shop this morning who had asked me out and then paid for our drinks, to the girl in the shop who instadated me and who had a burning interest in the philosophy of Heidegger, right through to the professional musician who personally knows some of the world's most famous conductors. To say that you couldn't make this shit up would be the understatement of the year.

The most unnerving part of all of this is that I can't say what has changed in my approaches. I've recently crossed the 1000 approach line, but that in and of itself had actually made me feel more depressed than anything else, since I had produced so little by way of results to show for it, until quite recently.

Have any of you ever experienced anything like this? That is, that one piece of success with a woman suddenly snowballs into multiple successes in close succession?

One thought which has been vexing me today as a result is the following: That women can detect when a guy has had physical contact with another woman through some psychic mechanism, since I am 100% convinced that nothing has changed in either my body language or even the delivery of my Game that can explain this otherwise. This same phenomenon, although not in not quite an extreme a way as today, occurred to me around 6 weeks ago, in similar circumstances: I had been on a long no-fap streak and took a bratty 23-year old hottie out on a date. After she was blowing hot and cold, I got fed up with her and gave her an ultimatum, "It's either fuck me or fuck off" and she then took me back to her bedroom. Unfortunately for me, I encountered stiff LMR as she experienced pangs of conscience about the fact that she was about to cheat on her beta bitch of a boyfriend that she had posted up on her smartphone, so that escapade didn't go anywhere. But the same day, I also instadated a German girl visiting from another part of the country who gave me insanely intense eye-fucking from the get go of opening her, even though I never saw her again.

What is happening here? I can't understand how I can go for weeks and get one blow out and another and then suddenly have desirable girls not just asking me out but also instadating me. What's the piece of the jigsaw that I'm missing here? Have I finally lost the plot but just don't realize it?

I've had a few SDLs and got met my ex-gf that way. The key is LOGISTICS. THIS IS THE MAIN REASON YOUR EXTREME SEXUALITY ISN'T LEADING TO ACTUAL CLOSES. You're making the iron hot but you're NOT striking.

You need to have a spot man. Or if you can afford it, invest in a cheap ass hotel room near your fishing spots one day a week, or every two weeks. That one day will be worth 100X all the other 99 days you have because you'll actually have a place to hook up vs spinning your wheels. Other than that, find a place in public that has privacy and is in an area that could be considered "romantic" For example, I once went on a first date to this bar and could tell my girl was getting comfy and in the mood. Unfortunately my place was an hour away so the next best place was this cheap ass movie theatre across the street. So I just took here there not giving a crap what movie was playing. So we start making out in the movie theatre, I was rubbing on her leg letting her rub my boner. She was obviously down but problem was there were a ton of ppl there (it was a weekend) , so I tried to bring her to the bathroom. She wasn't having it but she was still close to me and she knew that I was adventurous so my last shot was at this nearby college where there is a nice garden in front. We start making out heavy there and what fucked things up was that I stayed too close to the street because had we just been 5 min in more deeper, I would've been in her more deeper.

Women are highly emotional and moody so if you're conveying your masculine energy to her and turning her on, you need to progress but if you don't have a hookup spot, it's gonna fuck up your close. Think about it. You're turning her on AS A MAN. But AS A MAN, you need to have your shit together and have a fuck spot. THAT'S YOUR JOB, not hers. So handle your logistics and report back with a great success story. No more 1000 field reports on how you saw in her eyes, she was horny. I believe you because I've been there. But now you gotta close it. LOGISTICS brother

Good luck homie

Post: #24

(07-14-2017 06:33 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  [...] I've noticed more and more with time, although I knew this on an abstract level, that telling girls or talking about any subject that doesn't center on them or the female/male dynamic or other "chick crack" doesn't do anything for you at all, unless you happen to have common interests like what seems to have happened with you lately. Even then, common interests do not translate into "fuck me", but they can go a long way in the comfort building part of things (get her too comfortable and you become a friend).

This.

Post: #25

(07-15-2017 08:05 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 06:33 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  [...] I've noticed more and more with time, although I knew this on an abstract level, that telling girls or talking about any subject that doesn't center on them or the female/male dynamic or other "chick crack" doesn't do anything for you at all, unless you happen to have common interests like what seems to have happened with you lately. Even then, common interests do not translate into "fuck me", but they can go a long way in the comfort building part of things (get her too comfortable and you become a friend).

This.

Yeah, you're on the money with that one. This mistake, I strongly suspect, is the number one cause of not getting second dates with girls that I've managed to seduce on the street, only for them to flake after the first date.

Now, by way of an update on my last post from yesterday, I'm happy to report that the classical musician that I mentioned in my last post with the juicy rack wearing an amazing figure-hugging dress has just replied to my ping with an SMS and is down for meeting up with me tomorrow. Although she is one of several leads that I'm exploring at the moment, i.e., of women that I've already met and dated/instadated in the last few days, she is by far the most attractive one, both in terms of age, intellect, looks and social class, even if she is a little bit too sure of her opinions on occasion (in common with many other German women of her age, unfortunately). And herein lies the danger for me ...

Although I feel that my game, in terms of opening sets, building comfort and attraction through push-pull and then, finally, number closing, has now developed to a high degree (even some other PUA guys came over to me recently and commented on how they liked the way I'd opened one set), I think I've identified the biggest weakness in my overall game: That as soon as I get the woman out on a date, I start to play it safe and revert to a beta, nice guy and comfort building frame in which there's too much of me leaning in to the girl, nodding supplicantly at what she's saying, insufficient sexual spikes and eye contact from my side, et.c., thus neutralizing any gains that I'd made during the initial encounter with the woman with my rather dominant and cocksure banter.

In fact, on that latter point, it was only on those occasions that I practically ordered girls to give me their phone numbers/out on dates at such-and-such a time, that I managed to get the few HB8s that I did succeed in getting out on a date. That is, I'm now minded to think that it was only because I was particularly dominant - to the degree that felt like I was really pushing the envelope in the interaction- that I pulled, at least in terms of getting a date, young, top notch German pussy. Without this reinforced frame on those occasions, I believe that they wouldn't have given me the time of day.

So, I'm now thinking that my challenge is to go into the next date with a burn your boats type mindset, in which - paradoxically - I say to myself that were I to play it safe, I will only ensure that I don't get a second date with that particular broad, so I need to take the same sort of risks that I took in the beginning, including with the kino, dominance, cocksure attitude - basically, the works.

Would you agree ksbms? Or do you think I'm missing a trick here in my analysis of my situation?