"Ironically it was the Americans that saved the asses of serbs 2 times from total extermination in both world wars and they even supported the creation of yugoslavia and even armed it."
No, it was the Russians who actually cleared the Germans out of Serbia. The
Americans and Brits were bombing Serbian civilians to get Tito and his communists in power (acting as his airforce) and it was to him and NOT the Serbian patriots/royalists that the Brits and Americans have huge amounts of weapons, as well as advisers and did propaganda for them - even giving Tito credit for what the Serb Chetniks did against Germans. Serbs did NOT want communism. An eyewitness, Serb-American poet Charles Simic, who was a little boy during the war, noticed that Americans had direct bombings on Serbian civilian apartments but left the Gestapo headquarters unscathed.
The entire operation Halyard was classified for 60 because U.S. sided with the Communists in Yugoslavia to overturn the legitimate government.
Farfetched? Ploesti oilfield was liberated by the Soviets in AUGUST 1944. 15th Air Force continued to bomb Serbia and slaughter Serbian civilians in meaningless bombing campaigns till MID September 1944.
More Serbs were slaughtered by USAAF and RAF than by Luftwaffe. Only on Easter Sunday 1944 over 2000 were killed in Belgrade, thousands killed in Nis and Leskovac.
- DTA
"Even in his tables he posted , Muslim bosnians had 4 times more losses than serbs, mostly women and children."
The table COMBINES the Croats in with the Muslims (and they had a 17-month war against each other - and killed each others civilians, POWs, and soldiers).
No, it was not mostly women and children for
91% of those that died (or went missing - that table is including all the missing and the number was around 16,700 at the time - I've seen an updated total which was less than 98,000 so they most of found a few thousand of the missing)
were MEN.
91% means most all they list "civilians" were men too. (And no doubt it is skewed since a Muslim, Mirsad Tokaca, was given the leadership of the project midway through - before that it was 2 Norwegians working for the ICTY - and it was they who discovered that the much hyped numbers - usually 250,000 but sometimes 300,000 - were far too high. They realized this after finding some of the EXACT SAME PEOPLE being listed multiple times - especially by the Bosniaks - so the Bosniaks were trying to inflate their numbers by counting the same person multiple times and they also were trying to count soldiers as civilians.)
But after discovering that and it being in a Norwegian news article, they handed the project to a Bosnian Muslim who no doubt, with his team of mostly Bosniaks, tried to push as many borderline, unknown, or merely suspected paramilitaries as "civilians" while for Serbs any elderly man acting as a sentry for his village will count as military. (I mean Bosniaks are the same people who kidnapped Serbs, tortured them into false confessions, and
tried and convicted them for killing those who were STILL ALIVE AND SERVING IN THE Bosnian military in Sarajevo all the while. I am referring to
Kasim and Asim Blekic - the Bosnian Muslim court in Sarajevo found Serbs guilty of killing them even though they were discovered alive after the war. The only reason non-Muslims found them alive is because one of them was buying up the livestock of Serbs in an area which was being added to the Croat-Muslim Federation, so he was taking advantage of the Serbs leaving and likely selling their livestock. Well, one of the homes he showed up at was the uncle of one of the men convicted for killing him (and the trial was given hyped international coverage). The uncle thought he saw a ghost. So Serbian media met with him and learned he had been a soldier during the war and so was his brother, who was also alive. The media asked if the accused had ever done anything to him, and he admitted the man convicted of his murder hadn't done a thing to him. When asked why he didn't come forward, he merely said the police wasn't looking for him.
The Bosniaks don't care if innocent Serbs are falsely accused and rotting in jail for killing them when they are alive and well.)
Furthermore, the remaining 9% who were not men would not be "women and children" for it would not count soldiers/paramilitary/combatants under age 18.
Soldiers/combatants under 18 were termed "boys".
UN's definition of boys is those from 14 until their 18th birthday. Those younger than 14 are called children.
16 was the legal age when they could join the armies (from all sides) during the war, and even younger were given permission to join or joined anyway.
The "Stars and Stripes" - U.S. military newspaper - did an interview with one of the U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq in 2004.
And this soldier was a Bosnian Muslim from Sarajevo who said he joined the Bosnian Muslim army in Sarajevo at the
age of 14.
He fought for a year and he said
it was trench fighting - like in WWI - “It was World War I-style fighting, trench warfare,” he said. “There were a lot of mortar attacks, howitzers and tanks — a lot of armor got involved.
Both sides took a lot of casualties from the minefields and snipers.”
See:
From Bosnian child soldier to U.S. Army leader
https://www.stripes.com/news/from-bosnia...attofmGPcs
Anyhow, the point is that a certain percentage of the 9% who were not men were "boy" soldiers who died or went "missing".
A fair number to count for combatants 14 up to 18 who died or went missing during the war is 2%.
Of the remainder 7%, you'd have to extract the number of Serbian women and children who were killed by the Muslims and Croats - and unlike the Muslims and Croats, Serbs have authentic identified autopsy reports which prove the Serb children and women were murdered.
Plus there are even photos of Serbian women and children mutilated by the Muslims and Croats.
You also seem ignorant that the Muslims and Croats of BiH fought a 17-month war with each other and was some of the most intense fighting in the war.
Their fighting left Mostar the most damaged city in the country and the Croats claimed over 150,000 Croats were ethnically cleansed by the Bosnian Muslim forces in Central BiH during the summer of 1993 alone.
A British mercenary,
John MacPhee, who fought with the HVO and HSO throughout the war said that they
(Croats) sustained more losses against the Muslims than the Serbs.
He and the Croats in his unit were witness to scores of civilian Croats (including women and children especially) after arriving a villages that the Bosniaks had attacked.
Bosnian Army Troops ‘Systematically Executed Croat Villagers'
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/...-villagers
He also admits to killing both Bosnian Muslim and Serbian civilians - including women, and details some of these.
In most cases it was a person walking near where he was hauled up, and, not wanting to take chances, he shot them. In one case, it was a figure walking across the snow, whom he shot with a 16-year-old Croat fighting with him. They later discovered it was an old woman.
He also shot a Bosnian Muslim women in her mid-twenties when she was walking towards a building he was in on the frontlines. He killed a teen Montenegrin girl too.
By the way 16-year-old Croat fighters (including an injured one who was going into shock and whom he doesn't know the fate of, feature a few times in his book "The Silent Cry") Also, his lover in BiH, and Albanian woman who lived around Tomislavigrad was killed with her baby by "Muslimani" - that's what her grandmother repeats when MacPhee comes to find their charred remains.
So, my point is, that
a large number of Croat civilians were slaughtered by the Bosnian Muslim forces, and that Croats also killed Muslim civilians.
So you looking at those tallies and seeing a large number of Croats and Muslims killed by EACH OTHER, not Serbs.
Plus, this isn't to mention that the
Bosnian Muslims did stage attacks and snipe and mortar their own people (especially in Sarajevo).
UN officers witnessed the Bosnian Muslim factions killing civilians inside their own lines for PR purposes.
Canadian soldier
James R. Davis wrote about it in his book "The Sharp End: A Canadian Soldier's story".
Even UN records and testimony point to the
Bosnian Muslim snipers shooting at civilians AND the UN. Plus they testified that the Bosnian Muslim forces were using SEVERAL BUILDINGS within the infamous Sniper's Alley.
Sarajevo was a DIVIDED city during the war, and the Serbian-controlled part - which mainly aligned to where Serbs were the majority before the war - ended up more damaged than the Muslim-controlled part.
Further, the UN was trucking in fuel, supplies and food in large and ample quantities throughout the war.
That there were shortages for the civilians were due to the Bosnian Muslim government NOT DISTRIBUTING THE FOOD TO THE CIVILIANS.
The UN reports said that despite increased deliveries they didn't notice the civilians getting it, but they did see it showing up with the army and some of it getting into the black market (which thrived thanks to all the UN food and supplies they received).
The UN says that 60% of the food was NOT BEING DISTRIBUTED at all by the Bosniak government.
“The food situation continues to be confusing. Convoy deliveries have increased recently, but the distribution by the BH government to Sarajevo citizens is still very limited. Large quantity [of] this food is diverted to the military and a smaller amount re-surfaces on the black market.
The bulk of the missing aid (perhaps 60 per cent), remains unaccounted for. Speculation is that the BH government is stockpiling it.”
So the government withheld most all the food (and only kept its army and the black market well-supplied) to help sell the war: it used the deprivation of the civilians to whine about the "siege" and blame Serbs.
But those UN trucks were ALL THE TIME going through Serbian territory and Serbs didn't stop it unless they discovered weapons or fighters (which the UN was involved in smuggling). But even then, it was only temporary, and things would be flowing very strong into Sarajevo.
During the Croat-Muslim war, the Croats would regularly bomb or hijack the UN trucks/convoys with the excuse that they were supplying the Bosniak army forces - and actually, the Croats were mainly correct.
The Bosnian Muslims had the largest forces by far - 200,000. Serbs only had around 40,000.
Meanwhile, Croatia stationed 40,000 Croat troops (from Croatia) during the entire war and Croatia was not threatened with bombs or sanctions, nor was it even spoken about. It was an open secret with the international community.
Croats set up torture and rape camps for the Bosnian Serbs from the very start.
Last year the U.S. even deported a former Croat soldiers, A WOMAN, named Azra Basic (very fat and ugly, check for yourself:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/04/...-jumbo.jpg ), for torturing and killing Bosnian Serb civilians in 3 Croat Army run torture camps in BiH during the Spring/Summer of 1992.
Some of these Serbs were rounded up on Easter 1992, and these Croatian Army run torture camps were deep in BiH far from the Croatian border.
By the way, the Bosnian Muslim president Alija Izetbegovic was a pro-Nazi teen soldier during WWII:
Alija Izetbegovic Handzar Nazi SS division
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIVG4oLWsAAOeA4.jpg
And he always dreamed of a BiH under Islamic domination and wrote in his book "Islamic Declaration" that Islam could NOT coexist in a state with another relgion.
He was jailed several times throughout his life for violence against Serbs or plotting against the state - seeking aid from even terrorist groups in the early 1980's.
The
Bosnian Muslims were a special project of Himmler and he formed some Nazi divisions with them.
They were noted as being poor fighters but
they killed a lot of Serbian civilians.
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