Post: #26

Looking back, it's hard to remember how when I was younger I had the stomach to socialise with girls I'd fucked and who were no longer on tap. Nothing guts your manhood more than a woman having sex with you and then deciding she still wants you as an orbiter but not as a fuckbuddy. This is one of the reasons I'd never ever go back to social game, even though it's what I know best.

Having said that, there's merit to getting one last bang to end the relationship on, knowing that you're going to cut her out of your life on your terms, not hers.

If it were me I'd ghost for week and if she initiated tell her "sorry, but my new girl is super jealous and I'm trying to keep my feeds clean. Still remember the good times, tho "

Play jealousy and forbidden fruit game. Tell her you'd like to see her but it has to be somewhere private. She's going to ask about the new girl. Tell her she's "nice" with a wistful tone that infers you're not getting everything you need from her. Play coy and get the bang, then drop her like a sack of shit.

Post: #27

My thoughts are that it's a super lost cause. I'd bet money that you'll still be hanging out with her after getting denied sex the next time. Hope you learn and moved on instead.

Post: #28

(05-18-2017 10:37 PM)scheme00 Wrote:  UPDATE: I hung out with her Tuesday night. I found out she went to Hawaii with a new guy "friend" and another couple. She tried to downplay the friend card. I didn't pry and had fun with her when we went out. She denied me sex at the end of the night when we went to bed and said "sorry I'm not in the mood." Looks like she's into the other dude and not me. The next day she proceeded to text me throughout the day which I thought was off. So my pursuit has come to an end. She gets zero texts initiated by me. Only when she texts me and asks to see me is when I will reward her with my time. Thoughts??

My previous post was while intentionally harsh, obviously intended facetiously. Sometimes we all need some harsh realism injected into our perspectives as human nature often makes it easier for others to see the truth in situations that are too near-field for our own objective analysis.

So... A girl you've been seeing for a couple of months went on a double date vacation to Hawaii. That sucks. I know it does. The exact same thing has happened to most of us. The details may be different but the "whys" are the same.

Why does it suck? Because fundamentally you've emotionally invested in another human being and she didn't reciprocate with a matching investment. Our evolutionary wiring drives us, and society conditions us to "care". When we do, we expect at least, if not more, the same level of emotional ROI.

You feel cheated. And who knows?...maybe you should. Thats for you to decide. There are I am sure a lot of pertinent facts missing to us, your audience.

I dont need an answer but I suggest you make that determination for yourself.

I can only tell you what I would and have done in similar situations. I invited her to my place for dinner on Tuesday night, 730: "Im going to cook you dinner and you can tell me about your trip over a nice bottle of wine"

(In your case)

Assuming she agrees I'd have another chick (B) at my house on Tuesday at 7:00. Id tell her "Wear something sexy, we're going out" When the doorbell rings at 730 Id say "Hey you mind opening that Its probably my neighbor that wants to borrow a book/CD/ camera,movie ...(whatever). Im going to grab it for him and then we can leave"

Chick B "Uhhhh... PT there's someone at the door for you"

Go to the door and

PT "Hey (Chick A)...uhhh...what are you doing here?" step outside and close the door behind you

Chick A "What the fuck do you mean?...you invited me for dinner...yada yada"

PT "No thats tomorrow"

A "No you said Tuesday...yada yada"

PT "No Im pretty sure I said Wednesday"

A "Yada yada...well who is that?"

PT "Thats my friend B"

(Insert mini drama)

PT "Hey, listen. I dont know where the mix up happened but let's talk tomorrow ok? I have to go"

(Insert final mini drama)

PT "Good night"

Go back inside Close door

Chick B "So ok...who was that?"

PT "Oh sorry about that. Just a girl I was seeing a while back. She's a bit of psycho. I kinda feel sorry for her really... Dont worry about it. You ready to go? You look great by the way"

Nuclear dread game on two chicks simultaneously. It might blow out both but if frame is held...more than likely one (if not both ) will be more into you than ever.

Post: #29

What you can take away from this is that you need more Red Pill and more Game. You treated her too much like your one princess instead of a side piece.

Read up on Rational Male, Roosh's articles on women, even Heartiste (ignore the political articles if they are not up your alley - Game content is good). Then learn more about practical applications of Game, of applied Alpha frame, dominance etc. You will see that after your transformation to a stronger version of yourself with better Game (ability to talk, deal and seduce women), then hardly a woman would dare to even do this to you. Of course women may cheat and do stuff, but then she would not tell you if she is interested in you for further things. You seem to have gone on a date with her to talk and stuff. The reality is that you should have went straight to bed with her, but it is hard to change a girl's view of yourself once it has been established. You can do it better with the next girl.

Emotionally it may be better to let her go, but personally I don't mind keeping a girl around for sex. In this case however this would necessitate a drastic transformation of her view of you. This is not going to happen by suddenly being the sexy guy and telling her to text you only for booty calls. You can try, but it probably not work.

Post: #30

(05-18-2017 11:06 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Looking back, it's hard to remember how when I was younger I had the stomach to socialise with girls I'd fucked and who were no longer on tap. Nothing guts your manhood more than a woman having sex with you and then deciding she still wants you as an orbiter but not as a fuckbuddy. This is one of the reasons I'd never ever go back to social game, even though it's what I know best.

Having said that, there's merit to getting one last bang to end the relationship on, knowing that you're going to cut her out of your life on your terms, not hers.

If it were me I'd ghost for week and if she initiated tell her "sorry, but my new girl is super jealous and I'm trying to keep my feeds clean. Still remember the good times, tho "

Play jealousy and forbidden fruit game. Tell her you'd like to see her but it has to be somewhere private. She's going to ask about the new girl. Tell her she's "nice" with a wistful tone that infers you're not getting everything you need from her. Play coy and get the bang, then drop her like a sack of shit.

Gold advice from all on here. The advice above is on point, but I don't know if you've got the stomach for that so I'm going to second Rat's advice about going cold turkey.

The only girls I still hang out with that I've fucked are those I still fuck if I want to.

Post: #31

Post: #32

I know a lot of game advice is to play it cool, not invest, see women as a piece of ass, etc, etc. Sometimes, myself included, we actually do find the rare specimen who has the right personality and the right level of crazy that makes you extra attracted. When I was younger I would just get wrapped up in it. Now that I am older and have been through some shit, my advice is to set boundaries with these sort of women that might hit you emotionally. It's not needy demands -- it is laying it out there that if she crosses the line, you're out. Be willing to walk. She will appreciate you for these convictions if she's serious. You let yourself get wrapped up and play by her rules. Hopefully you will remember next time.

Post: #33

I'm going out on a boat ride tomorrow with one of my hot Swedish plates, is it a good or bad idea to post a photo to Facebook of her and I having fun that I know the girl I was dating will see. Or just post a photo of the ocean from the boat by itself since that's what I would probably share anyway. Is that childish or a good idea?

Post: #34

Shes not that into you. But she does like your attention. Youre a side peice and always will be. If your getting feelings you should cut off all contact. If you can keep things in check just bang bro. Its sounds like that might be difficult. It sounds exactly like one of my plates!

Post: #35

(05-21-2017 12:40 AM)scheme00 Wrote:  I'm going out on a boat ride tomorrow with one of my hot Swedish plates, is it a good or bad idea to post a photo to Facebook of her and I having fun that I know the girl I was dating will see. Or just post a photo of the ocean from the boat by itself since that's what I would probably share anyway. Is that childish or a good idea?

If you have to ask that then I doubt that you have hot Swedish plates - no offense.

But your Oneitis is shining through and most men don't refer to the girls they see as plates. That is just a term in the spinning plate or soft harem stage.

And of course you should post pics together with any girl, but make sure they are not Beta of the Month worthy. Also why the heck are you still on about what she thinks of you? The best you will get from her is an easy lay, but LTR or anything further should be long disqualified.

Post: #36

Shouldn't thread title be "Girl I used to date is on weekend getaway with other dude (most likely)" by now?

Even if you consider seeing her again, it shouldn't be soon after her return.
If, for some reason (other than hamstering of course) she needs to see you, she will by her own effort, you have no obligation to make it easier for her.

Let time pass so that you get over her (as much you can) and not give her the satisfaction that you 're orbiting her after she treated you like that (again, as much is this is possible).

Post: #37

(05-18-2017 10:37 PM)scheme00 Wrote:  So my pursuit has come to an end. She gets zero texts initiated by me. Only when she texts me and asks to see me is when I will reward her with my time. Thoughts??

Good play

(05-18-2017 11:06 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  If it were me I'd ghost for week and if she initiated tell her "sorry, but my new girl is super jealous and I'm trying to keep my feeds clean. Still remember the good times, tho "

Play jealousy and forbidden fruit game. Tell her you'd like to see her but it has to be somewhere private. She's going to ask about the new girl. Tell her she's "nice" with a wistful tone that infers you're not getting everything you need from her. Play coy and get the bang, then drop her like a sack of shit.

adding this to the armory

Post: #38

Hoes gonna Be a hoe.... The sooner you learn that the better off you'll be, sorry bro but you weren't being beta you still are being beta.

Post: #39

UPDATE: She hit me up via text almost a week later now. I did some minor small talk with her and didn't ask to see her and didn't respond to her last text. Fade out commenced. If she wants to see me she will fucking ask.

Post: #40

OP she already disqualified herself for anything by going on this trip, why are you still chasing her ?

This chick openly disrespected you, have some self-esteem and cut her off...

Post: #41

Try to understand that no matter what her text messages say, the translation is this:

"I'm just checking in to see if you're still a beta bitch."

Respond accordingly or not at all.

Post: #42

(05-23-2017 02:37 AM)Misito Wrote:  OP she already disqualified herself for anything by going on this trip, why are you still chasing her ?

This chick openly disrespected you, have some self-esteem and cut her off...

How am i chasing her? PLEASE NOTE: I have to see her at one of my clients offices so GHOSTING or telling her to pound sand is not an option.

Post: #43

(05-22-2017 11:34 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  Hoes gonna Be a hoe.... The sooner you learn that the better off you'll be, sorry bro but you weren't being beta you still are being beta.

(05-23-2017 02:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Try to understand that no matter what her text messages say, the translation is this:

"I'm just checking in to see if you're still a beta bitch."

Respond accordingly or not at all.

Those 2 comments bring truthes but I want to ask something...

(05-23-2017 02:57 AM)scheme00 Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:37 AM)Misito Wrote:  OP she already disqualified herself for anything by going on this trip, why are you still chasing her ?

This chick openly disrespected you, have some self-esteem and cut her off...

How am i chasing her? PLEASE NOTE: I have to see her at one of my clients offices so GHOSTING or telling her to pound sand is not an option.

If you have to see her back, you know that she is taking you for granted as an emotional tampax but How not to get this at your advantage and messing her up ?
I just want to discuss this "other option" here and get the thoughts of other men, confusing her, misdirecting her, playing with her feelings, shit like that...

Post: #44

(05-23-2017 05:07 AM)blck Wrote:  If you have to see her back, you know that she is taking you for granted as an emotional tampax but How not to get this at your advantage and messing her up ?
I just want to discuss this "other option" here and get the thoughts of other men, confusing her, misdirecting her, playing with her feelings, shit like that...

There is no "other option" unless you want to be a sad sack doormat loser.

Don't spend time trying to post pictures of a new girl to try to make her feel jealous or prove to her you can do better, just delete her off your social media.

Why was she even on your social media in the first couple months in the first place?

Any action beyond CUTTING ties is stupid. Don't treat her like shit when you have to see her in person, because that takes effort on your part and doesn't benefit you. Treat her like any other random person that's not close to you. Stay polite in professional situations, but don't go out of your way to interact with her.

Take her off all your social media and MOVE ON.

You guys are making crazy talk here.

Post: #45

This type of situation sucks. We've all been there. The more times you go through something like this, the tougher you get and the more red pill and alpha you will get. That is the silver lining.

I'll echo the general advice on this thread. In my view you have two options:

1) no contact, no explanation.

2) you tell her that her behavior was unacceptable, you are unwilling to put up with it, and then no contact.

You then build your inner game, get tougher and move on as best you can. As you get older, your value will increase and hers will decrease. Most people who start threads like you have are looking for advice that gives them "hope" (and most people on this thread rightly don't say there is any real chance and you should move on). But if this is the <5% of situations where this ends with you and her, it will be because sometime down the road she sees you've become more alpha, your value has increased, her value has decreased, her behavior has changed and you forgive her. The catch 22 is it is incredibly rare for you to become more alpha, increase your value and then be willing to forgive her some time down the road. Generally, high value alpha males don't forgive re: some behavior like this. Best of luck--all we can do in situations like this is use it as motivation to become more red pill and improve ourselves.

Post: #46

While the updates are interesting, I will say it's a lost cause and you still have some emotional attachments to her in one way or another given your replies and updates. You have to cut things off completely and move on.

I will caution you on this though. I've made the following mistake for years before I wizened up. I went from one to the next with the oneitis. Same behaiviors, same mistakes, just with different girls. I never learned from them until swallowing the pill.

Don't be like how I was and keep repeating that cycle with the next girls you meet, you'll just be spinning your wheels and do your best to avoid emotional attachments at this point. They can sense this and the accompanying oneitis from a mile away.

Post: #47

It's ok to be hurt and wanting revenge, i.e. posting photos of a "hot swede". It's normal. We're all human and most of us here have been in that same situation one point of our lives.

The best thing to do now is take some time off for yourself. Read some Heartiste, some good books that you enjoyed. Start/keep doing hobbies/things things you loved doing. Reconnect with old friends (red pilled), father, grandfather and brothers (assuming they're not bitch asses) If you already are doing this. Great! Do it more.

But what I would do immediately (as recommended by others): Be a man. Step up to the game and break everything off with her. You cannot accept her going on a vacation with another guy, be it with another couple. The point of a relationship is to do awesome things with each other and experience life together. Bitch goes off with another dude on a vacation- FUCK THAT. And then tells you no sex when she comes back. FUCK THAT!!!!! We all smell a dead fucking rat in the room. Be a man and throw that shit to the garbage where it belongs.

You have to love and respect yourself first before all else in life. You trying to re-kindle and reignite the loss love is putting her in front of yourself.

I hope, for the sake of your future and self dignity, you man the fuck up. I really hope you make it out of this one as a stronger man, from one guy to another.

If you think you are already "red-pilled", think again. You're not. This is a defining moment in your life: Do you take the blue pill and live in an imaginary life chasing a fantasy dream that will never be. Or do you take the red pill and live life and for what it's worth.

Post: #48

(05-23-2017 02:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Try to understand that no matter what her text messages say, the translation is this:

"I'm just checking in to see if you're still a beta bitch."

Respond accordingly or not at all.

Not to hijack this thread, but how about a girl that you have got to second base but you haven't banged but who keeps checking in? Is there any point responding? or is the best move to completely not respond?

Post: #49

(05-25-2017 07:04 AM)bonkers Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Try to understand that no matter what her text messages say, the translation is this:

"I'm just checking in to see if you're still a beta bitch."

Respond accordingly or not at all.

Not to hijack this thread, but how about a girl that you have got to second base but you haven't banged but who keeps checking in? Is there any point responding? or is the best move to completely not respond?

When she gets in touch, line up a date in the evening, escalate. Go for the bang.

Post: #50

(05-25-2017 07:04 AM)bonkers Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Try to understand that no matter what her text messages say, the translation is this:

"I'm just checking in to see if you're still a beta bitch."

Respond accordingly or not at all.

Not to hijack this thread, but how about a girl that you have got to second base but you haven't banged but who keeps checking in? Is there any point responding? or is the best move to completely not respond?

Invite her out on a boat.

The two of you out there? She'll have to put out. Y'know?

Because of the implication.