Post: #1

What are your thoughts on immigration to first world countries.

I personally am fine with it as because I'm an immigrant but I think it should be limited and countries should focus on letting those with real skills or successful businesses immigrate. I'm not really a fan of mass immigration as seen in Toronto because it really skews the dating market by lowering the number of attractive women(Immigrant women are not that attractive from what I've seen).

The mass influx of beta Asian males and acne ridden girls from Asia really increases the bitch shields of attractive women of all races. This is really showcased by the attractive Asian women in Toronto and even my Asian friends say the hot ones are very difficult to talk to(they thus focus on white and Latina girls).

I'm looking at this from the dating market perspective and not from the economic perspective.

Post: #2

This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Post: #3

The current immigration system sucks. Instead of mass illegals being ignored, there should be a wide-scale work-visa program for immigrants to come and be regulated with.

Work-visas would not grant anything close to citizenship status, nor count toward the five year minimum of obtaining citizenship via a green card. Work-visas would need to be renewed yearly. Any criminal acts committed with a work-visa means automatic deportation.

This system would allow people to come here to make money without flooding the system with third-world peoples becoming voters through things like amnesty or having children on US soil.

Post: #4

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Agreed.
I personally don't like the fact that my brown skin will associate me with them.
Muslims in general keep to themselves. Even though the vast majority of them are good people the lack of trust and separation of communities does not help and creates racial tension.

Post: #5

I'd be in favour of mass immigration of young Eastern European women.

The recent mass migration of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians etc. to the UK has been a tremendous boon to aspiring PUAs across the pond. Check out day gamers like krauserpua.com scoring nothing but pretty, slender, feminine Slavic girls when no English girl would give his creepy middle-aged ass the time of day.

It would be nice to get some of that migration over to North America. Some competition might entice the tubby entitled local women to shape up a little.

Post: #6

(08-28-2011 08:38 PM)torontokid Wrote:  The mass influx of beta Asian males and acne ridden girls from Asia really increases the bitch shields of attractive women of all races. This is really showcased by the attractive Asian women in Toronto and even my Asian friends say the hot ones are very difficult to talk to(they thus focus on white and Latina girls).

Not sure if I agree with this. From my experience, FOB Asians operate in an entirely different social sphere from the rest of us. Even CBCs (Canadian born Chinese) tend to dissociate themselves from FOBs. I don't think you need to worry about Peng the visa student from Beijing chatting up blonde Britney from Oakville or even Cindy the CBC from Markham. He won't bother as he's lusting over Ling Ling from the bubble tea shop.

If anything the influx of petite Asian girls has been a huge boon for nerdy white guys, who now have GFs when they'd otherwise be alone or settle for frumpy fat white chicks.

Post: #7

(08-28-2011 09:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The current immigration system sucks. Instead of mass illegals being ignored, there should be a wide-scale work-visa program for immigrants to come and be regulated with.

There is. It is just most unskilled immigrants do not use it.

Quote:Work-visas would not grant anything close to citizenship status,

They do not.

Quote:nor count toward the five year minimum of obtaining citizenship via a green card.

They are not. Citizenship requires five year residency while being permanent resident (there are different rules for spouses, kids and some refugees though). Until you get your permanent residency, it doesn't matter how long you stayed.

Quote:Work-visas would need to be renewed yearly.

They are issued up to three years and can be renewed once (i.e. up to 6 years total, then back). It takes up to six months to renew it.

Quote:Any criminal acts committed with a work-visa means automatic deportation.

Most criminal acts already do, but not all. Smoking weed or peeing on a street, for example, doesn't result in deportation. Note that "automatic deportation" is not possible unless you change the Constitution, there is such a thing as due process which you should be familiar with.

I also see that you're not addressing anchor babies at all, and it is much larger problem than just illegal workers. At least workers contribute.

Post: #8

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

I'm against immigration to Europe...but mostly because it's a xenophobic continent.

Post: #9

(08-28-2011 08:38 PM)torontokid Wrote:  The mass influx of beta Asian males and acne ridden girls from Asia really increases the bitch shields of attractive women of all races. This is really showcased by the attractive Asian women in Toronto and even my Asian friends say the hot ones are very difficult to talk to(they thus focus on white and Latina girls).

I am not following your logic here. How does this increase the bitch shield of attractive women? Beta Asian males by definition are not chatting up girls, of any nationality. And if I see them with anybody, it's always with other FOBs. I don't think the Canadian Born Chinese girls would date an FOB. And to be honest, not all the Asian girls coming in are acne ridden. A lot of it has to do with grooming. Just clean them up, give them a nice haircut, put them in some fashionable clothes and I bet a good percentage of them would be more than fuckable. Besides, almost 100% of these FOB Chinese girls are slim. I would take one of those over a fat white Canadian girl any day.

And then there are the attractive immigrants. Persian girls. Even the ones that are FOB are hot. Also, some very hot Russian and East European girls around in parts of the city.

Post: #10

(08-29-2011 09:09 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 08:38 PM)torontokid Wrote:  The mass influx of beta Asian males and acne ridden girls from Asia really increases the bitch shields of attractive women of all races. This is really showcased by the attractive Asian women in Toronto and even my Asian friends say the hot ones are very difficult to talk to(they thus focus on white and Latina girls).

I am not following your logic here. How does this increase the bitch shield of attractive women? Beta Asian males by definition are not chatting up girls, of any nationality. And if I see them with anybody, it's always with other FOBs. I don't think the Canadian Born Chinese girls would date an FOB. And to be honest, not all the Asian girls coming in are acne ridden. A lot of it has to do with grooming. Just clean them up, give them a nice haircut, put them in some fashionable clothes and I bet a good percentage of them would be more than fuckable. Besides, almost 100% of these FOB Chinese girls are slim. I would take one of those over a fat white Canadian girl any day.

And then there are the attractive immigrants. Persian girls. Even the ones that are FOB are hot. Also, some very hot Russian and East European girls around in parts of the city.

Yeah, I love immigrants from Eastern Europe and Russia. I also hate chubby white chicks.
I used to go to an Asian high school, the white girls there who were 6s thought they were godesses!
It increases their ego because they are the most desired compared to most of the Asian girls there who looked horrible.

Post: #11

(08-29-2011 03:57 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 09:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The current immigration system sucks. Instead of mass illegals being ignored, there should be a wide-scale work-visa program for immigrants to come and be regulated with.

There is. It is just most unskilled immigrants do not use it.

Quote:Work-visas would not grant anything close to citizenship status,

They do not.

Quote:nor count toward the five year minimum of obtaining citizenship via a green card.

They are not. Citizenship requires five year residency while being permanent resident (there are different rules for spouses, kids and some refugees though). Until you get your permanent residency, it doesn't matter how long you stayed.

Quote:Work-visas would need to be renewed yearly.

They are issued up to three years and can be renewed once (i.e. up to 6 years total, then back). It takes up to six months to renew it.

Quote:Any criminal acts committed with a work-visa means automatic deportation.

Most criminal acts already do, but not all. Smoking weed or peeing on a street, for example, doesn't result in deportation. Note that "automatic deportation" is not possible unless you change the Constitution, there is such a thing as due process which you should be familiar with.

I also see that you're not addressing anchor babies at all, and it is much larger problem than just illegal workers. At least workers contribute.

Immigrants do not use the current work-visa system because they can just get here illegally, and have just as many if not benefits.

Part of making a work-visa system successful is to enforce STRICT border control. The other half is to stop giving citizenship to anyone born on US soil, and instead grant citizenship based on whether or not the parents were citizens.

Post: #12

(08-29-2011 01:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Immigrants do not use the current work-visa system because they can just get here illegally, and have just as many if not benefits.

You're generalizing. Here in Bay Area we have a lot of immigrants from India, China, Europe, South America. Pretty much everyone who works in IT is here legally, those companies don't pay cash here (and it is quite hard to get here illegally from India). Check H1B quotas before saying something like that, "immigrants" is more just "illegal mexicans working on fields".

Quote:Part of making a work-visa system successful is to enforce STRICT border control.

From what I heard it is pretty strict now. More, the bad economy and lack of low-skill jobs leads to exodus of some immigrants, at least here in Bay Area (rent is expensive here). Note that there is significant pressure to keep status quo from the businesses who enjoy cheap labor, so this is not easy.

Quote:The other half is to stop giving citizenship to anyone born on US soil, and instead grant citizenship based on whether or not the parents were citizens.

This would require constitutional amendment, which is not even likely to pass (why a child of legal permanent residents wouldn't be a citizen?).

Basically this explains why almost nobody treats Libertarians seriously - they're usually full of ideas which are very unlikely to ever be implemented.

Post: #13

Quote:Basically this explains why almost nobody treats Libertarians seriously - they're usually full of ideas which are very unlikely to ever be implemented.

So instead we vote to maintain the status quo?

Post: #14

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

dude, dont get me started on this. 2/3 of of the national debt of Holland is due to immigration. There are only living 17 million people in holland and 1.5 million are already muslim. And that just in 30 -40 years.
Not to mention ,the flood of bad news in newspapers every day about immigrant criminals.
But never do i read about asian criminals, i guess its a religious/racial thing to steal/rape and murder.

Not all of them of course.

Post: #15

Until you've been on the other side of the immigration fence, I don't think you should lambast it so much, and coming with your parents doesn't count for much. The door is no where near wide open, it's actually fairly difficult and it takes a lot of money, frustration, paperwork, work and what not to immigrate or even work in another developed country. American border patrol is on average way more paranoid, rude, obnoxious, xenophobic on average compared to your average customs officer.

And libertarians would be pro immigration actually, minimal if any border controls restricting the free flow of people and goods. Nations started being tightwads about immigration because of the social programs such as welfare, medicare, education, pensions/social security, subsidies, etc started coming into play.

Post: #16

No Asian criminals? Are we forgetting the Yakuza, and Chinese triads engaging in drug trafficking and prostitution through Hawaii and California?

Post: #17

Anyone on this forum moved from a 1st world country to a third world country as an immigrant with permanent residency and the right to work/invest? Not nearly as common as the reverse, but it seems to be a growing trend.

Post: #18

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Muslim immigration also skews the dating market against men.

Muslim men have free reign over the local women while Muslim women are off-limits. And you have Muslim guys flooding clubs while their sisters stay locked up at home.

Post: #19

(08-30-2011 03:35 PM)Mace Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Muslim immigration also skews the dating market against men.

Muslim men have free reign over the local women while Muslim women are off-limits. And you have Muslim guys flooding clubs while their sisters stay locked up at home.

Noticed that in Sweden and here in Toronto too.

Post: #20

(08-30-2011 03:35 PM)Mace Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Muslim immigration also skews the dating market against men.

Muslim men have free reign over the local women while Muslim women are off-limits. And you have Muslim guys flooding clubs while their sisters stay locked up at home.

Is this a bad thing? Who wants their sister slutting it up at the club...

Ethnics in general frown upon their women going to clubs. I ve had Italian friends who would escort out any of their sisters or cousins if they found them in the club. Old School.

Post: #21

(08-29-2011 09:35 PM)Samseau Wrote:  So instead we vote to maintain the status quo?

How many votes Libertarian party brought to the people?

Post: #22

(08-30-2011 05:58 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  Is this a bad thing? Who wants their sister slutting it up at the club...

Who wants their son or brother sleeping with random strange STD-infested women off the street?

Even if men aren't penalized socially for promiscuity like women are, there's at least some pressure for men to feign that they have standards.

Post: #23

(08-30-2011 05:58 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(08-30-2011 03:35 PM)Mace Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Muslim immigration also skews the dating market against men.

Muslim men have free reign over the local women while Muslim women are off-limits. And you have Muslim guys flooding clubs while their sisters stay locked up at home.

Is this a bad thing? Who wants their sister slutting it up at the club...

Ethnics in general frown upon their women going to clubs. I ve had Italian friends who would escort out any of their sisters or cousins if they found them in the club. Old School.

Doesn't make sense. If you are not a virgin, then the woman you slept with is either someone's daughter and possibly someone's sister.

So if everyone locked away their women, you would be a wanking mess...

Post: #24

(08-30-2011 02:27 PM)Ohiogang Wrote:  No Asian criminals? Are we forgetting the Yakuza, and Chinese triads engaging in drug trafficking and prostitution through Hawaii and California?

Dont know about the states, i was speaking about Holland and Europe.

Post: #25

(08-31-2011 11:27 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(08-30-2011 05:58 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(08-30-2011 03:35 PM)Mace Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 08:42 PM)Gmac Wrote:  This may sound racist but I'm against this mass exodus of muslims to europe. I think it's all just bad news, but mainly for extremist reasons.

Muslim immigration also skews the dating market against men.

Muslim men have free reign over the local women while Muslim women are off-limits. And you have Muslim guys flooding clubs while their sisters stay locked up at home.

Is this a bad thing? Who wants their sister slutting it up at the club...

Ethnics in general frown upon their women going to clubs. I ve had Italian friends who would escort out any of their sisters or cousins if they found them in the club. Old School.

Doesn't make sense. If you are not a virgin, then the woman you slept with is either someone's daughter and possibly someone's sister.

So if everyone locked away their women, you would be a wanking mess...

I'm cool if its someone else's sister or daughter....I don't care about them.

I think Roosh had a great article about the advice he gives his sister. He captured it perfectly.