Post: #1

So I`m recently single, and after being used to sex whenever I want, I`ve become extremely impatient with girls.

At a point in the distant past, timidity held me back from making moves. Now if I`m not making out with a girl in a few minutes I feel like she`s a huge prude and really begin to lose interest, feeling like I`m wasting my time. As a result, I`ve been coming on too strong, making girls uncomfortable with the level of teasing, touching, etc.

I`ve tried taming that down, just having fun with girls for a while instead of going for early teasing and kino, but then I feel like I`m wasting my time having this platonic no-touch ´´fun time´´.

But besides calibrating better, anyone have any good tips to build attraction quick to get down to business? Some shit to flip the script on her and get her escalating me perhaps?

Post: #2

It sounds like your trying to get the cart before the horse, you've had easy access to pussy whenever you want, and now that the tap is turned off, you have a lot of pent up sex energy. In my experience if you go out with that kind of pent up need, then a chick is going to be able to sense it a mile away, it comes off as desperation and that is definitely the image you don't want to be projecting.

I suggest you find a way to get rid of that energy before you head out to game, play some ball or rub one out. Something so that your no longer projecting the need for sex so obviously, and because you don't need want as much, you'll be a lot more relaxed and your game will be tighter.

I'd need to know what kind of girls your trying to game before offering any specific advice on how to build attraction quicker. Could you provide some details on the places your hitting, and what the crowd is like?

Post: #3

I have long concluded that relationships are detrimental to game. Not only do your skills become a bit rusty, but the attachment that develops to a person needs to be sloughed before you can be you. Don't get me started on the beta-inducing effects of caring for a chick.

Just don't do it. Or be prepared for this type of shit, post-break up.

Post: #4

(08-27-2011 09:32 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  But besides calibrating better, anyone have any good tips to build attraction quick to get down to business?

Picking the right girls who are dtf. It's one of the most under-discussed topics. I've found that I can be on fire, but if I'm not talking to right girl it doesn't matter and my energy goes to waste. However, I can be having a so so or even below average night, but if I'm talking to a girl who wants the fuck it doesn't matter if I'm messing up because well she's horny like I am.

I was watching the UFC last night at a local sports bar with my friend. Sitting to my left were these two girls probably in their early 30s. I overheard them talking about guys they were banging not calling them back etc etc. One guy at the bar was trying to talk to one of them. When he would get up to go to the bathroom, these chicks would rag on him behind his back. I mean props to him for making the attempt, but he wasn't there an hour earlier to hear their conversation. Also these girls had a certain type of smugness and this 'too cool' attitude, that I intuitively knew they were not serious about getting laid that night. I didn't even bother to talk to them even though they were sitting right next to me.

Anyway two seats to my right was a girl at the bar by herself. She didn't come with friends and was drinking alone. I went to the bathroom to check her out. then walked back and sat in my seat. I looked over and the minute we made eye contact, her eyes just said to me "I want to get fucked tonight. I'm ready" I knew it, she knew it, and I immediately felt the tension with her.

Now I can't really explain it, but I think that every man has an instinct when it comes to detecting a girl who is dtf. I've been trying to break it down and figure it out for myself but it's been hard. It's one of those things that sometimes I'm totally right and sometimes I'm way off about it, but I'm getting better.

So my take is change up the girls who you are picking. [/i]

Post: #5

(08-28-2011 08:48 AM)Neo Wrote:  

(08-27-2011 09:32 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  But besides calibrating better, anyone have any good tips to build attraction quick to get down to business?

Picking the right girls who are dtf. It's one of the most under-discussed topics. I've found that I can be on fire, but if I'm not talking to right girl it doesn't matter and my energy goes to waste. However, I can be having a so so or even below average night, but if I'm talking to a girl who wants the fuck it doesn't matter if I'm messing up because well she's horny like I am.

I was watching the UFC last night at a local sports bar with my friend. Sitting to my left were these two girls probably in their early 30s. I overheard them talking about guys they were banging not calling them back etc etc. One guy at the bar was trying to talk to one of them. When he would get up to go to the bathroom, these chicks would rag on him behind his back. I mean props to him for making the attempt, but he wasn't there an hour earlier to hear their conversation. Also these girls had a certain type of smugness and this 'too cool' attitude, that I intuitively knew they were not serious about getting laid that night. I didn't even bother to talk to them even though they were sitting right next to me.

Anyway two seats to my right was a girl at the bar by herself. She didn't come with friends and was drinking alone. I went to the bathroom to check her out. then walked back and sat in my seat. I looked over and the minute we made eye contact, her eyes just said to me "I want to get fucked tonight. I'm ready" I knew it, she knew it, and I immediately felt the tension with her.

Now I can't really explain it, but I think that every man has an instinct when it comes to detecting a girl who is dtf. I've been trying to break it down and figure it out for myself but it's been hard. It's one of those things that sometimes I'm totally right and sometimes I'm way off about it, but I'm getting better.

So my take is change up the girls who you are picking.

Man there have been so many good posts lately... this is another one.

Post: #6

(08-28-2011 08:48 AM)Neo Wrote:  Picking the right girls who are dtf. It's one of the most under-discussed topics. I've found that I can be on fire, but if I'm not talking to right girl it doesn't matter and my energy goes to waste.

yo, I set up a topic called "Selecting Targets" and it got no play from the crowd here. If you care to contribute to it, add your 2 cents.

Would welcome all the experienced guys here to add theirs as well.

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Post: #7

When you approach a girl, it goes well, but nothing is going to happen the same night,

do you get her number and take it slowly from there (“I’ll give you a call sometime during the week”), wait a couple of days to show that you are a busy person and not desperate (patience required),

or do you time bridge right away, e. g. you talk about something you both like and agree on a day, location (xyz bar, concert, whatever), even time when you meet again?

I am testing both options to find out what works best for me.

Post: #8

Finding the girl who is DTF from looks alone is a tall order. Even once you're talking to her, attention whores can be mistaken for DTF girls.

The simple standard way is talk to lots of girls, and see who sticks around. When there's a lull in conversation, she sticks by your side, and renews the conversation. She agrees to move to another part of the bar with you. She leaves her friends. Probe her for her logistics: who did she come with? How is she getting home? Does she live nearby?

Isolation is the ultimate arbiter. If you're really dying to winnow out the DTF girls, isolation is your divining rod. If she doesn't comply, you're in an awkward position - your best bet is probably to get a number and hit up other girls. It's going to look weak if she says no and you stick with her.

Post: #9

If a girl kisses me, chances are she's DTF. Go for the kiss early, preferably within the first 30 minutes.

Post: #10

(08-28-2011 08:48 AM)Neo Wrote:  Now I can't really explain it, but I think that every man has an instinct when it comes to detecting a girl who is dtf.

I know what you mean. In my experience these girls are definitely NOT to be confused with attention whores. The girls I`ve fucked with the fewest complications are just usually the most ´´agreeable´´

You talk to them and little or no shit tests.

The conversation lulls and they put in effort to pick it up.

They are fishing for simmilarities between the two of you.

They are down for whatever you suggest, whether it`s taking a shot, bouncing to another place, going somewhere alone etc.

I think in the first 5 minutes you can usually pick out those girls. I imagine though that these chicks are just particularly attracted to me for whatever reason.

Post: #11

Roosh recently said that "Target Selection" is the next step for guys with decent game. He said he can usually tell in the first 5 mins if a girl is DTF.

Post: #12

I've definitely been working on my DTF-detecting skills. I've wasted entirely too much time with tire-kickers, who enjoy my interesting conversation, but have no intention of breaking down. I'm getting way more brazen and impatient these days.

Post: #13

Target selection involves two areas:

1. Picking out signs and behaviors to determine if a girl is a good approach candidate.
2. Putting girls through a tested "funnel" so that the ones who aren't DTF drop out early before you invested too much time into her.

I will have posts about both by the end of October, most likely sooner.

Post: #14

One thing that I do is bring a girl to an area where you have to move through walking traffic and cross streets.
Guide her from behind with one finger or two and keep her in front of you...
Then switch it up and get infront of her and move faster to cross a street when she grabs for your hand for you too "pull" her across the street see if she wants to still hold it after you cross. If she lets go right away you are probably wasting time.

If she stays on board and keeps wanting to build on the touching ...keep it to a minimum unless you are walking again.
Stop and have a couple drinks then get to where you can finish the job. Go in . Close hard.

Post: #15

Mech, I`ve noticed that too. When picking up girls at a train station or whatever in an area they don´t know, I´ll often just start off a step ahead of them and lead them hand in hand. If they dig that, then you know its good.

Post: #16

I've been experiencing the same thing as Sonsowey recently. If I approach a girl at a bar/club and she seems interested I start touching her casually and if she is feeling me I go for the kiss really early I can think of a few times I got a kiss in less than 10 minutes. I catch them off guard and in the moment and then suddenly they use their logic and say "I just met you" and "I don't even know you" type of talk.

In hindsight I guess it would be better to build up more rapport and comfort with conversation instead of going for the kiss so early. I guess its a bad habit I picked up in Brazil, where the girls are quick to kiss and it isn't a big deal to them. But here it seems like they feel slutty if they kiss you really quick. I could of been running into girls that have boyfriends or what not who knows. But I realize I need to slow things down a little and rely more on conversation to get more bangs.

Post: #17

I'm just confused at how you went from easy pussy and sex whenever you want to getting frustrated reaching a make-out????

Where you only bangin' the one girl you recently left?

You lost me.

Mixx

Post: #18

Yea dude, real monogamy, crazy shit

Post: #19

(08-30-2011 05:03 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Yea dude, real monogamy, crazy shit

Lesson learned.

Always Drink Fresh Blood

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/11/alw...blood.html

Post: #20

Hey, Roosh had a post on the blog (not the forum) called something like "how to find out if a girl is serious about fucking" - I think it involved trying to kiss her early.
We all have instances where we've been able to detect such girl just by looking at them, locking eyes, and bingo! But most times you do have to go in and test the waters. What I do is after the initial 10-15 minutes I insert myself physically closer, let her see my face real close, smell me, feel my body against hers... and I don't mean grinding, although sometimes I do that too. If I get a hard-on, I make sure I press that against her. If we are dancing - from behind. If we are talking - press it against her thigh.
She is usually quick to show you a reaction after that.

Another great way to gauge girls' interest quickly was when I had a motorcycle. Back then I still used to go on dates. When I had gotten a number and a girl agreed to go out with me, I would show up on my bike. If she does not even want to get on, or if she asks where the handles are and how to hold on - forget it. But if she jumps behind you and wraps your waist with both hands, holding on for dear life when you accelerate - then it's on and you could be 99% certain you'd bang that night.