Post: #126

(07-02-2017 09:16 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  This is when a Sigma will start needling and poking, pushing the boundaries of good taste, or deliberately-holding contrary opinions to the group to lower his boredom level. They may even go so far as to break social convention entirely, and just walk out of the conversation with no explanation to go and approach a woman.

The tell is, they'll have a grin on their face the entire time they're seeking the rise. People won't always be able to tell they're being fucked with, but Sigmas are experts at getting under people's skin and triggering them into emotional outbursts - hence the P.I. License.

Bang on, particularly the bolded part. I think he got quite the kick over getting booted from the show.

Also, I think you're definitely on to something regarding the female co-host. The difficulty is finding one who either A) doesn't want to have sex with me or somebody else, or B) is already having sex with one of us, and doesn't plan to stop.

So I've recently been toying around with the idea of writing some horror, and I plan to channel in as many dysfunctional personalities as possible. I recently saw The Mist - great film by the way (and a terrible show) - it's the archetypal example of "Broken people locked in the same room", even the protagonists hit certain archetypes - the grocery store owner is the "Geek, who's actually very reliable and stable minded"; the competent Beta, in comparison to the paper Alphas who freak out.

One of the characters will be the ultimate Gamma; another will be the tough guy addict, who's an emotive little baby under the surface. Half of what makes horror great is seeing these creatures get their comeuppance.

Post: #127

I know Krauser describes himself as a Sigma. I think it was that kind of behaviour that got him booted from the forum, when he posted all that racist shit in Unpopular Opinions, then called Roosh a "little boy" some months after.

Post: #128

Shit, sorry I wrote that last post after Midnight. The paragraph about Wicca should have read:

Quote: The choice comes NOT from a place of sincerely-held belief, but rejection of wider belief due to social dysfunction.

(07-02-2017 10:34 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  I think Sigmas just have a deep seated death wish to a degree so they feel the consistent need to rebel. That was the fastest way to get shot ages ago and it would explain the antisocial tendencies.

So... contempt beyond the current social situation towards the tedious rigmarole of every facet of everyday existence, so as to always be searching for novelty, stimulation and provoking conflict? Hmm... interesting. So Sigma's would most likely have an attraction to addictive vices: smoking, gambling, alcohol or hookers, and would openly-brag about it, particularly to irritate others.

Heh, see why I've long-said Cardguy was Sigma, not Omega?

Quote:^I feel like sperg and ability to get pussy are things that don't belong in the same sentence. Chaotic and self destructive perhaps, but sperg means being socially incapable to a degree. And no sperg, unless wildly successful, can even hope to get half decent pussy much less navigate social situations.

'Whiff of the 'Sperg'. Traits in a man that reliably-attract pussy are also found with the 'Tism:

- an aura of emotional detachment;

- a detectable lack of empathy;

- an obvious arrogant elevation of themselves above the herd.

It makes me wonder if 'Sigma' is just an offshoot of 'Sperg whose totem of obsessive fixation is personal power and social manipulation rather than Sonic The Hedgehog. Sharing the Gamma Contempt for those he thinks are 'beneath him', but actually being socially-functional (until they're triggered by boredom) and attractive to top-tier women?

I can't really say accurately - Sigmas are very, very rare in the wild, though I'm increasingly-realising my mate Bill is Sigma as hell, so am going to observe him more closely. This is why I don't waste any more words than necessary around him: if he calls, I don't ask him how he's going or what he's been up to, I say "Hey, what do you need?"

He was talking about the 'fucked' relationship between a woman he'd been living with and her 'Gutter Slut of a daughter', and I carefully explained the concept of co-dependency, and how their dysfunctions feed off each other, so they'd always gang up on him.

Can you guess the Sigma response?

Raised suspicious eyebrow, contemptuous flick of ash. "That's a lot of big words to say they're 'fucked in the head'."

"Well, the sad part is, that's just as accurate. You saved yourself four years of Uni debt."

Pleased grin. "There you go."

-----

Recently, I noticed a very hot young woman talking on the phone as she was walking towards us, obviously-chatting to her boyfriend: a lot of 'Sweetie' and 'Baby' into the handset.

She suddenly stopped the conversation as she the pair of us, then immediately came up to Bill.

"Oh, just look at your beautiful beard."

She started running her hands through his, stopping where it ends near his waist.

A Hipster would take this as narcissistic supply and start boring her with his 'beard care regime'. A Delta would be polite and nervous. If I was a Gamma, I'd carry the resentment of her approaching Bill and stroking his beard, rather than mine, to the grave.

What does the Sigma do?

"Well, you've gone that far, you might as well keep heading south and grab a handful."

Her hand went to her mouth as she turned beetroot red, and Bill leaned forward into her handset.

"Mate." (He always bites the word, like he's calling a dog to heel). "I don't think you're giving your woman the dicking she deserves."

Then he walked on, and I followed.

Behind us, giggling. "OMG, did you hear what he said to me?"

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You can see why people don't believe Sigma exists. If I say he's a 66 year-old-man who can talk a 22 year-old-woman into bed, they'd call me a liar. Hell, a fat sigma can game a beautiful woman into bed. It doesn't make logical sense, but just it's all about the verbal, not the physical with them.

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He just rang as I was typing this, and so I kept nudging the conversation in certain reactions to gain further insight, and I mentioned how he can't help himself but cut through the bullshit to the core of a matter.

Then he told me this:

The Lady Of The House, as he mockingly-calls her, had just spent a week down south visiting her daughter, the Gutter Slut. She was supposed to be gone for another week, but, when one of the neighbors noticed her back, he popped his head in to see what was up.

"Why are you back early?"

What does the sigma do?

Without looking up from his paper, Bill said "Mummy ran out of money for takeaway..."

Then he said how he noticed the silence, and, when he looked up and saw her face, he realised he'd accidentally-nailed the truth.

You see, his main irritation with both her and her daughter is they're both constantly putting on airs, and acting like they're not 'Fucking Feral Trash'. Someone will visit and compliment her on how clean the house looks, and she'll act like it was all her. As such, when my sister complimented me on the 'amazing job' I did doing up the old garage, I said "Ah, it was mainly Bill," because I know Sigma isn't that hard to navigate.

Be direct. Say what you mean. Don't put on airs. Be crude, rather than clever. Be deadpan. Most importantly, be fast.

He was telling me how he made her a very good meal last night, and how she made a big show of saying "How she couldn't possibly eat another bite."

Right away, I said: "That's sweet. She's trying to impress you by pretending the pit has a bottom."

I could hear his grin before he even spoke. "The boy's learning!"

----

I gained a bit more clarity during the phone conversation. It seems Sigma sees being 'polite' as 'not saying what you're really thinking' and this not only lets 'wankers' bullshit people, it also allows others to take unfair advantage of you.

I said "So, you can't help but say what you think."

His response, pure Sigma: "It gets me into trouble sometimes, but I don't give a fuck."

----

I did some searching through Vox's archives, and, what do you know?

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.au/201...music.html

Quote:Being sexual Alphas, Sigmas don't kiss and hug, they fuck and screw. They hate Gamma deception because they see through it and they cannot believe that the Gamma actually expects them to accept his posturings at face value. Being predators, they tend to view the pedestalization and white knighting that is so common to Gammas and Deltas as not only dishonest, but transparently dishonest even when it is not. And as the song suggests, they often have a vulgar streak that most Alphas don't; this may have something to do with their outsider mindset. One way of signifying you do not belong to the group is to offend it.

I understand why Vox gets frustrated over people challenging his personality breakdowns. They're observable, identifiable and very, very accurate.

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(07-02-2017 02:29 PM)Aurini Wrote:  So I've recently been toying around with the idea of writing some horror, and I plan to channel in as many dysfunctional personalities as possible. I recently saw The Mist - great film by the way (and a terrible show) - it's the archetypal example of "Broken people locked in the same room"

I can hear David Cole scolding me now: is that the short Stephen King story or the one with Ghost Pirates and Adrienne Barbeau's massive rack / butterface combo? If it's the former, I read it in the early 80's so I apologise if my memory is a little fuzzy. People in a supermarket? No ending, which in King's case is probably a good thing? A Leftie-Boomer Writer so it went the 'Christians go crazy' and 'People are the real monsters' route?

I can't make any references to it in particular, but if I was putting the Betchloff and Co. extended podcasters into a horror movie:

Common Filth is the crazy old man who warns the gang that if they go up there and have sex, then they deserve to die.

Black James dies first.

Razorfist sees his torso separated from his legs, his intestines thrown across the room, and dies thinking "I bet this looks so rad!"

Undertow dies whilst holding a cross towards the monster, wishing faith was enough to keep the forces of darkness at bay.

John Steele grows sick of 'you fairies' talking over what to do, goes off to fight the monster alone, and dies due to underestimating it.

Anne Sterzenger dies whilst not believing how lame and done to death this whole situation is.

Forney gets his head ripped off when triggers the monster. "Wait. You're the monster? You ugly fat sack of shit? I bet you wouldn't know how to kill a virgin if she was tied to a blood-soaked altar."

You die whilst overthinking how to best defeat the monster by trying to understand how the monster became a monster. It places your skull in its lair, but grows confused when it seems to keep changing position when its not looking.

Betchloff sighs, says "I guess it's up to me to saddle up and kill this thing," then dies when his weapon breaks. "Well, shit. I'm boned."

Luke is Final Girl, and the only survivor come morning, because he knows how to fade into the shadows and not be noticed.

Bonus Barbeau, looking less butterface than usual:

Post: #130

The entire exchange on that show was lame. If bechtloff can dish it out but can't take it that's his problem. He shits on everyone elses hobbies, like a typical geek. I hate sportsball as much as the next guy but he seemed kind of triggered by Steele's criticisms. Yeah Steele was being a dick. So what? We're all sensitive now? Don't talk bad about muh comics?

Puh-leeze.

Oh yeah and black james runs roughshod over the show, ban him instead I say.


This whole exchange just shows how drama craved people in that corner of Youtube have become. Host a show, expect some people to disagree or get hostile with you. Or don't. I get that he "doesn't have to put up with it" on his channel and can ban who he wants. But is that the attitude that drew people to want to tune in in the first place?

Bechtloff of 2 years ago would have laughed at steele's comments and cracked a joke or two to lighten the mood. Today, we get histrionics and "don't shit on muh comics". BANHAMMER! Remind you of anyone? Kind of sad.

In case my point isn't well taken; I'll clarify: Is taking the attitude of "You don't agree with me, therefore I become triggered and ban all discussion of your perspective" the stuff healthy discourse is made of? Does that remind you of a certain political and social disposition? Remember that these things happen in increments, and not overnight.

Post: #131

(07-02-2017 09:16 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  A Sigma will get bored of social situations very easily, particularly if he feels contempt towards the other actors in the scene. This doesn't mean he doesn't like them, but, in their own way, Sigmas get triggered, usually by perceiving irritations in the conversation as Immaturity, Stuffiness, Insincerity, Pretension, Status-Seeking, Pearl-Clutching or Circular Fixation upon a particular argument without resolve.

This is when a Sigma will start needling and poking, pushing the boundaries of good taste, or deliberately-holding contrary opinions to the group to lower his boredom level. They may even go so far as to break social convention entirely, and just walk out of the conversation with no explanation to go and approach a woman.

The tell is, they'll have a grin on their face the entire time they're seeking the rise. People won't always be able to tell they're being fucked with, but Sigmas are experts at getting under people's skin and triggering them into emotional outbursts - hence the P.I. License.

Sigmas are so good at this they can trigger Alphas into losing their shit in front of everyone.

I think this describes me very well. It really hinders my ability to make friends. Any advice for what to do in these types of social situations to manage your Sigma tendencies?

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(07-03-2017 01:07 AM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  Is taking the attitude of "You don't agree with me, therefore I become triggered and ban all discussion of your perspective" the stuff healthy discourse is made of? Does that remind you of a certain political and social disposition?

The Alt-Lite attacking Shakespeare In The Park?

Betchloff was triggered by Steele because Black James had worked his last nerve, and Steele dived in continuing years of niggling at just the wrong time. Steele had a point - I skip through chunks of the show when things devolve into nerd fights. I thought those two had already had that conversation.

Why was Betchloff put so on edge by both of them? Why did he institute a one-caller-at-a-time rule? You're smart enough to figure it out. I'll give you a clue:

Post: #133

(03-25-2017 04:57 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  If only I knew then what I know now...

Now I gotta listen to this song again.

Quote:Poor old granddad
I laughed at all his words
I thought he was a bitter man
He spoke of woman's ways

They'll trap you, then they use you
Before you even know
For love is blind and you're far too kind
Don't ever let it show

Post: #134

(07-03-2017 01:25 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I think this describes me very well. It really hinders my ability to make friends. Any advice for what to do in these types of social situations to manage your Sigma tendencies?

Two routes:

- You cultivate patience and humility in your interactions with others, and lower your expectations of what you can expect from the average person to a more realistic level. Part of that would be to learn to be comfortable with your own company and to enjoy your own projects, and focusing on those on days when you aren't feeling social because you have to understand that most people aren't going to be capable of delivering what you want from them, and that you're chasing a phantom.

- You train the friends you do make to speak plainly with you. This is done by putting yourself in what appears to be the alpha position within a group - which risks butting heads with the real alpha - and leading them astray through sheer force of personality. Work the girls first, and the men will follow. In the show example I was talking above, it was interesting to see how Steele got most of the podcast crew to eventually speak openly of the JQ over months of subtle programming.

Understanding what exactly my mate Bill is, means I've tailored my interactions with him to appeal to his tastes.

I can understand him being like he is: a mate had an irritating habit of calling me, waffling shit for ages by making small talk designed to butter me up, then he'd shift gears with 'by the way...' and ask me for a favour.

It was so obvious that it became a private joke between me and my current girlfriend at the time, where I'd be busy doing something, she'd come in, bother me with random shit for a couple of minutes, then say (singsong imitation of my mate) "By the way..." and show me her pussy or grab my dick. She always made me laugh, because I would fall for it every time.

It (meaning his behaviour, not hers) drove me up the wall, (where I'd drive her across the carpet), until the point I just laid it out: "Hey, look, you don't have to trick me into something. Don't dance around the subject. Just ask me outright what you need, 'cause I'm an easy-going bloke and will most likely say yes anyway."

It sounds brutal, but the mateship was a lot more functional after that. Of course, you'd have to tailor your request to the comfort level of your audience.

Rhyme or Reason: Another clue. My friend who got engaged to the hooker was obsessed with one particular X-Man.

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(07-03-2017 02:05 AM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:57 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  If only I knew then what I know now...

Now I gotta listen to this song again.

Quote:Poor old granddad
I laughed at all his words
I thought he was a bitter man
He spoke of woman's ways

They'll trap you, then they use you
Before you even know
For love is blind and you're far too kind
Don't ever let it show

I first heard that song when YouTube showed me an insurance ad. They only played the chorus and left out the rest of the lyrics. Wonder why...

Post: #136

(07-03-2017 01:38 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Why was Betchloff put so on edge by both of them? Why did he institute a one-caller-at-a-time rule? You're smart enough to figure it out. I'll give you a clue:

Because red-headed women in Spiderman shirts have been squirting their pussy stink at him?

Post: #137

(07-03-2017 01:40 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Because red-headed women in Spiderman shirts have been squirting their pussy stink at him?

You don't know how many times I've been tempted to call in, Davis, and lay down some serious group therapy - my girlfriend was all "Oh, you've got to!" - but, trust me, you guys aren't there yet.





If you want to get a rise out of Steele about his Odinism, tell him freely-choosing to base your faith upon the myth of the 'noble savage' is doing the work of the Subversive Socialist for them.

Or, to put it in Sigma terminology: Believing in Odinism whilst complaining about the Left is like clenching your arse cheeks tightly together when you see Josef Stalin looming over your naked body with a dildo and lube. Of course, he'll react with scorn. "Oh, who are you kidding, Precious... my cock's already in there!"

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I was just thinking after deliberating on the idea of Sigma.

What if a lot of the trolls who post here are Sigma? Most regular people post to fit in and get along, while Sigmas would deliberately try to find differences and post in a trolly way in order to kill their boredom.

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(07-07-2017 12:43 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I was just thinking after deliberating on the idea of Sigma.

What if a lot of the trolls who post here are Sigma? Most regular people post to fit in and get along, while Sigmas would deliberately try to find differences and post in a trolly way in order to kill their boredom.

Sigma's are likable, even when they're pushing buttons, so there'd be just as many people who liked them as hated them, particularly if the forum attracts a high percentage of Sigma Men to begin with. They wouldn't be offended. Look at Cardguy. Hell, I like John Steele, even thought I know what he's doing. My old RamZPaul clone mate was great fun to be around, even though I always had the sense that I'd better be ready to fight at any moment.

Our Trolls aren't that interesting, and everyone hates them. They either seem to be spectacularly-autistic Omegas talking about anal leakage and cocks 'accidentally' falling into their mouths; Gamma Men trying to prove who the real Alpha is; or Feminist Women thinking their opinions matter to us. The most successful Gamma Troll we've ever had here put an incredible, if pathetic, amount of dedicated time and effort into his subversion, only to immediately-melt in the sunlight when the curtains were pulled back.

Otherwise, most of them reveal their dysfunctional nature quickly enough.

-----

I'm not sure I explained what happened with Bill and The Lady of the House taking credit for his cleaning clearly enough before. Another member mentioned to me it sounded like Gamma rage. I should have explained it better.

Bill didn't react the way he did over the cleaning due to personal ego injury, or someone getting attention that he thought was rightfully-his, the way a Gamma would.

Gamma Contempt comes from a deep, unsettling insecurity that they don't have the social respect and power that they believe they deserve. "You're beneath me."

Sigma Contempt comes from irritation with another person's social manipulation of others to gain social respect and power. "You're fucking pathetic to think that playing the game matters."

See the difference?

So when he Bill is sneering over The Lady Of The House and the cleaning, it's not that he's mad that she's not giving him personal credit, it's disgust over the ridiculous theatrical performance she's putting on to gain social approval from another person, by pretending that she's a naturally clean person, rather than a fat slob.

So, when I give Bill credit when my sister complimented me on the garage, it's not that he's gaining narcissistic supply from hearing his name and being given the praise, it's so that he sees I'm not so full of shit to be taking all the credit for other people's work. I could have said "Nah, I just had a lot of help," without naming him and he would have respected me the same way.

It seems to be a reliable trigger. Take Vox Day. He's reacting with contempt to John Scalzi's constant pathetic social posturing and instinctively wants to pop the bubble of bullshit and put him in his place. His critics would think he's 'jealous' by pointing out how his blog gets more visitors. No, he can't believe anyone would take an obvious tool like Scalzi and his narcissistic posturing seriously, so niggles at him by using the metric that is of deep importance to Scalzi. Vox has made this into an art form, because I suspect he's a Sigma who has learnt control over his mouth and observable emotions for social expedience.

Hence, Sad Puppies. He doesn't care about their stupid Hugo awards. He's fucking with them purely because they place so much grand importance in them as a measure of their own worth.

I think my Sister - the sweetest little Disney Princess you could ever imagine - has always had a Sigma side, because every so often, she just can't help herself anymore, and due to her wide-eyed innocent looks, it's really socially-disarming to watch when she cuts through the crap, and, man, I love her for it.

I remember being on the Playground at School: she ran up to me, looked around furiously, then leant in close. "I bet the Queen goes to the toilet just like everybody else." I'd guess that her teacher led her class in a particularly-furious round of 'God Save The Queen' before recess. This is the sort of statement, if overheard by a Teacher in 1970's Australia, would have gotten you physically-caned by the Principal. The point is, despite the social risk, she just had to tell someone what she really thought, because, well, who does that Queen think she is?

I'm beginning to get a deeper understand of how much a lot of us here hate the left for their obsession with virtue signaling and them telling us they're our moral betters.

Post: #140

This amused me.

I was BBQing out back with Bill and my Neighbour's Grandson - a Greenskeeper - after we'd spent a few hours doing some serious tree lopping. Got the firepit fired up to fight the Winter Chill. Beer for the boys. Sore in a good way from the hard work. Good vibe.

So, there's Bill, (Sigma); the Grandson (Natural Alpha, respects and looks out for his grandparents, two women currently-fighting over him, thrown out of the house by the one he knocked up for dicking the other); and yours truly (I'm starting to suspect I'm Instinctively-Sigma but Performing Beta for Social Expedience).

Then my Gamma Stepdad turned up - my step-grandfather is a couple weeks off of passing so he's been around a bit more - but, even so, he tried to dominate the discussion we were having about planting trees. I've decided I want my new property to have a line of trees each side of the drive as you approach the house, each one planted in honour of someone I lost.

Immediately, Gamma - whose yard has weeds taller than me, and who responded to the death of my mother, who loved gardening, by removing every pot plant and large tree that she ever cultivated - presented himself as The Expert.

He waffled on at length, me noticing the Grandson was now finding the act of cooking sausages far more interesting than ever before, and Bill rolling his eyes, and could see the Sigma outburst coming, so, keeping the peace, I mentioned I'd found this collection of 1940's War-Era Arboreal Books on how to plant and cultivate trees for parks and gardens in my new property.

That's when, very casually, Bill pulled out his mobile, and pulled up a picture. "That's my place." I've never seen it, because it's a few towns over, and he always stays at the Friendzoned Woman's house.

The yard is neat, and completely-framed by perfectly-maintained pencil pines, giving that mid-century sense of neatness and form to the property that's almost been completely-erased from modern neighborhoods.

I pointed out a gap where there should be three of them. "Bad soil?"

He took a drag on his smoke. "Nah, an ex was out there screaming in front of the neighborhood, and started pulling them out by roots. Couldn't get those three re-seated."

I had to know. "What happened?"

He shrugged. "What always happens? I took me dick away from her."

The Grandson and I both started to laugh, but then stopped. Then, like me, I observed he was struck by the beauty of Bill's statement. He'd cut through the bullshit enough to discover a simple statement of universal truth.

He motioned to his grandparent's house. "''s'why I'm here. I took me dick away from her."

I turned my head, pointed out the long white scar behind my ear. Did I tell them an ex-girlfriend threw a tambourine at my head during a breakup, and it caught me at just the wrong angle, so what she described as 'a fountain of blood' sprayed from back there, as I ignored it - I mean, I felt something wet, sure, but wasn't about to give her satisfaction - frowned at her and said "You done?"

No. I just said. "I took me dick away from her."

We all nodded, getting it, and Bill leant back, satisfied.

There was a very awkward and conspicuous silence from the Gamma.

----

Later that night, I was showing Bill some Gel Inserts that might help with the circulatory pain in his feet. He showed me how the little toe on his foot was badly-deformed and explained that it happened when it been trodden on by a 'cunt of a mare' during a re-shooing years ago.

Speaking Sigma, I immediately fired back, with mock-disgust: "So, you took your dick away from her?"

Being Sigma, he loved this. "Mate. Good one."

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^^^^

Post: #142

I find it heartening to run across kindred spirits who can find appreciation of the once-awesome assets of one Ms. Barbeau.

A worthy destination for any man and his motorboat.

Post: #143

^AB's post there reminded me of one of the best ways to shut down a Gamma, and I'll apologise if it's been covered since the thread is beginning to age (well).

Turn the conversation toward 'the time I fucked that girl', but not in that giddy high school sense. In a blasé 'heh, the shit we do, right?' kind of way.

Few other things will cause them to pull their head in more quickly. Gammas know inherently that sex is one of the few things they can't bullshit their way through a conversation about when speaking to guys with experience. They have no capacity to start up with their trademark Simpsons-comic-book-guy snarkiness.



Actual image of a Gamma when the topic of conversation turns casually to sex and women.

Post: #144

Would it be correct to say that the fedora-wearing, neckbeard archetype is a pretty good example of what a typical gamma would be like? The Comic Book Guy from Simpsons that was just mentioned above would be another example. The term "Secret King" was mentioned a few times on here and I think it sums up the mentality of these guys (and they're almost always male): they're convinced that they are possessed of some sort of extraordinary ability and the only reason it's not recognized is not because of any failure on their part but because people around him simply don't have the vision to appreciate what he possesses. Basically think of an an hack artist would gets laughed out of the gallery by anyone who views his work and cursing the audience for just not having the sophistication to appreciate his vision.

Post: #145

Condensed you could say "female mindset, female failure ratio, no pussy pass".

Condensed further: "Hell™".

Post: #146

My father is a huge gamma and I'm still trying to work out how some of his gamma thought processes have influenced me.

Sam Roberts post really connected with me. A gamma is a loser who wants to blame his miserable situation in life on external reality and not his ignorant yet insistently incorrect interpretation of it. They are someone who has convinced themself of their absolute rightness and that the world owes them a debt for being so much smarter than everyone else, despite any concrete evidence of such. Its all ego and intellect misused.

Post: #147

(07-07-2017 11:08 PM)Wutang Wrote:  Would it be correct to say that the fedora-wearing, neckbeard archetype is a pretty good example of what a typical gamma would be like? The Comic Book Guy from Simpsons that was just mentioned above would be another example. The term "Secret King" was mentioned a few times on here and I think it sums up the mentality of these guys (and they're almost always male): they're convinced that they are possessed of some sort of extraordinary ability and the only reason it's not recognized is not because of any failure on their part but because people around him simply don't have the vision to appreciate what he possesses. Basically think of an an hack artist would gets laughed out of the gallery by anyone who views his work and cursing the audience for just not having the sophistication to appreciate his vision.

Yeah, that's fairly-accurate, but, remember, it's how they think and react to others that makes Gamma Gamma, which means:

- they can occasionally be good-looking and / or muscular.

- they are often very accomplished, if not quite living up to their potential.

- as leaders, they usually 'fail upwards' until they reach a level just beyond their competence.

A good tell is their woman. The pairing always reads as 'off' to the naked eye, and gives off the vibe of a dominant woman in charge of a scared little boy.



See what I mean? There's an instinctive, gut reaction to that pairing.

Gammas are classic marriage / relationship material when girls are done with Alpha (often post wall) and want control and stability, but the woman doesn't have the marketplace value to land a nice guy beta. The Gamma then tries to spin this sad state of affairs as him being Special enough to 'handle' the unusual power differential, usually spouting a torrent of crap about how he's a Male Feminist / More Enlightened Than You.

Three of the Gammas I've known were in long term relationships with feminist women exactly ten years older than them, one of them hooking up at 19 with a 29-year-old single mother with two children from another marriage, whilst the other was with her for 15 years, then dumped her back on her family at the first sign of early onset Alzheimer's. You don't look to the Gamma for noble behaviour.

Another one was a bodybuilder with a hambeast porker girlfriend who then tried to fatten him up. Another: 6ft4, body of a professional wrestler, married an aboriginal drug-addicted town bike who ran off and left him with three kids under 5, only one of which turned out to be his, and, he didn't see her again for 19 years, until her funeral, (she blew her head off back in May).

Post: #148

Post: #149

The gamma relationship with any woman is just fundamentally off because of the fundamental lack of self-belief of all gammas (despite their posturing and self-denial), no woman can respect a man who does not respect himself. The Gamma's whole life is about trying to compensate for this lack and they think their mid-wit intellect is the solution but it never is.

Post: #150

I think gammas are in their most ideal place in life is when they're bureaucrats(or Eunuchs). I really can't think of anyone else as feeling as self important in middle management and with gusto do their job as pencil pushers.

Corruption of course starts when they start feeling too self important and try to rationalize it in such a way as to donate *some of* their proceeds to "charity" or something of that nature.

Low rent ones work at the DMV.

Sniveling cocksuckers the lot of them if you ask me. Both gammas and bureaucrats.