Post: #101

Couldn't find a way to edit my post and add an image.

Just want to say this:

Don't feel too sorry for my Bro'. He's riding a Ducati, and you aren't!



He's got a tail-tidy on that motherfucker as well.

Oh, and a Goldy looking chain.

Those that ride will know.

Post: #102

(04-22-2017 05:19 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  @Rigsby

Dude, not teasing you. For me, the Gamma subject is a quagmire I could easily get stuck in, and probably will in the future. This thread is always in the back of my mind: "Gotta re-read it, figure it out, come up with a gamma master theory that takes into account every post so far."

I still might do this.

I think part of the fascination comes from the fact that when I read about gammas, it makes me remember times in my life when I had gamma impulses or actions of my own. A truism in game literature is, don't be yourself, be your best self.

A gamma is your worst self, the self you hope you never become, and so the whole subject hits on a bunch of levels. I hate this. Maybe this is me. I remember the time some guy said to me . . ."

There is no end to it.

As to the female side of things, I don't think of women as gammas, because often a gamma is a guy who uses the tools and ruses of a woman, and that is why they repel us. It's like giving up on your natural masculocity to be a gamma.

A woman acting like a woman is a woman, but a man acting like a woman is a gamma.

By "lured," all I meant was they play on your sympathy, maybe not even consciously, and then the punchline comes later, at your expense.

I am just getting warmed up, better stop now.

I appreciate your reply. And like you, I will probably appreciate it more, sober, in the morning, upon reflection.

I think if this thread ended right here, right now, it would have more than served its purpose.

Men can be bitches. They can be traitors. The two are not the same.

I saw a real identity here with AB's take on the Gamma.

I've been talking about my Bro' a lot. I'll carry that on. He's not an Alpha. But... and it's a big but, he doesn't care how big or bad you are. You will NOT ever harm him or those he cares for. Alpha doesn't come in to it. He will however eat shit in a fight. I've seen him absolutely humiliated by little men, all because he would not fight. He didn't want to hurt them. And the humiliation he suffered from the tribe? Fuck them.

He works alone. He works for family and no one else. This is why I will miss him when he's gone. God just doesn't make many prototypes like that. No friend can ever replace it. I'm on my own now.

Choose your battles well.

I'm also happy to eat shit. No problemo. Just want us all to get along.

But I see a great weakness in men. All men. All men I know anyway. Not one man I have met yet I look up to. I might fear him for greater strength. But do I respect him? Could I take him?

I'm talking about the very few men in my circle, which is not very much at all. I would grant most men of this forum immediate respect.

I don't really respect the men in my life so far. And no man is so big that the 'bigger they are the harder they fall' principle does not apply. This is just for immediate circles of course. I don't burst in to other places and shout this shit out.

One day, I'm ready to take a man's life. I'm also ready to do far worse things. But it will never happen, I'm sure. Alpha, Beta, Gamma won't matter.

But the greatest destruction most men face comes from their own family and their own relatives it would seem. So no need to be so gung ho on my part.

Again, I feel like I'm going off piste, so I'll leave it there.

I'm not going to war with anyone, and no one is going to war with me.

But Gammas will do everything in their power to bring you down.

Time for bed, something nice to eat. Say a few prayers .

Post: #103

Reading this thread instantly made me think of one particular guy I've met so far in life. From a study abroad trip to London I went on during my last semester of college. One of those trips where everyone lives in close quarters 24/7 for a few months and in that time its all freshman year dorm life again.

There have been a couple other guys I've met who exhibited gamma tendencies, but this guy was the real deal. I'm actually curious what he's like now and if he's changed at all in the past four years. To sum up his personality at its core, I'll paraphrase something someone said earlier in this thread that I think applies to the gamma's nature as well. He was someone so pathetic in his behavior, so graceless socially, that you were inclined to feel sorry for him, until you realized that he looked down upon everyone else with scorn.

Here were some of his characteristics and gamma highlights that I can recall. He was certainly one of the most interesting guys I ever spent significant time around (note that 'interesting' does not positively correlate with 'pleasant' or 'enjoyable' in any way.

-His general demeanor was frantic, yet moody at times. When he was feeling good he was talking to everyone and trying to be the center of attention. When he was down, he would pout and make sure everyone indirectly knew how awful a time he was having with his childish behavior.

-At first, all the guys generally seemed to like him. He was a little eager, but I didn't begin to think negatively of him until later on when he made his true nature known. That's the thing with gammas, because they want to be liked and are social, they blend in initially until their inner gamma inevitably rears its head. By the end of the trip, he was basically a social pariah.

-I went on a few trips with him around Europe with some other guys from the group. These trips were all booked early on before he fell out of favor with everyone, so we were kinda stuck with him. I found him more tolerable in smaller groups, as it seemed like there was less of a need for him to prove himself to the group and he wasn't as much of a dick.

-He would ask questions to get to know you, but later on I recognized his insincerity as he was always trying to one-up you. The dude couldn't stand to let anyone else get any glory if his greatness wasn't also being acknowledged, no matter how insignificant the matter was.

-The good girls tolerated him but I could tell even his antics annoyed them. They didn't have much to say about him usually except that he was a 'nice guy.' The bitches of the group had less flattering words for him: 'creep,' 'too-touchy,' 'fuck that guy.'

-Like a girl, he was very gossipy. He was always talking about people (usually talking shit), like he was trying to find out information about everyone so he could stir up some drama. I remember a night of drinking games, where he refused to play 'five fingers' because he didn't want to 'make himself vulnerable' in his eyes or something. Or so he could just collect information on everyone else and later be like “OMG did you know Mary got fucked in the ass once!?”

-The guy constantly bragged about how he was accepted into and attending a 'top-5 law school' the following fall. Like, all the time. It became a running joke with everyone else how much he bragged about it.

-He was also hyper-obsessed with his grades in the class. Note that this class was essentially a joke class with little work that wouldn't change anything for a graduating senior like himself. But he made damn sure he aced every test and essay (or put up a fight with the professor over it if he didn't) before not so subtly parading his grades about to everyone. I stopped even telling him my grades anymore by the end of the class so I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of knowing that he beat me by a point or two in some English class.

-The class itself was a Shakespeare class, and we were analyzing his plays or whatever you call it when an old man tries to get twenty hungover kids to talk about 'The Tempest' for two hours. At one point, the gamma got butthurt when the professor rejected his analysis and implored him to maybe reconsider his understanding of the text.

Rather than sit back and try to come up with a different response or respect that maybe the old man who has spent the last 40 years of his life studying the same plays over and over again knows more than you, a 23 year-old man decided it was best to put his hood on and pout for the remainder of the class. When the professor called on him again, the gamma gave the old man the silent treatment.

- During one of the group bus rides, one guy started randomly pretending like he was a tour guide on the bus. I thought it was cringeworthy, but I didn't say anything and most everyone on the bus didn't seem to care. A few laughs for those who enjoyed it. But the gamma couldn't let this other guy have the spotlight. He started turning around to others saying “he's not funny” and kept loudly complaining about the guy as the whole act went on.

-The play 'The Book of Mormon' was popular at the time, and a bunch of people in the group wanted to see it even though tickets were sold out. There was a raffle being held near the theater, so I tagged along with a group of about eight people, including the gamma, just to help someone maybe get tickets.

At the raffle, you could either sign up to get 1 or 2 tickets when your number was called. Near the end, there's only a few tickets left, and of course the only one to get their number called in the following moments is the gamma. Well, at least we'll get 2 tickets everyone thinks. Gamma comes back and it turns out he'd only signed up for 1 ticket for himself.

I think at this point everyone expected this behavior from him, so we didn't even give him too much shit for it.

-I've pretty much had zero contact with him since that time. Looking at his FB, I see he ended up dropping out of his 'top-5 law school' and went to another pretty good, upper crust school on the East Coast.

He's super liberal and bashes Trump, but he's got a girlfriend, who honestly isn't bad for him. She's plain but skinny. Would be a 5/10 WB but she dips below the bang threshold with her dyke haircut. I'm pretty sure he didn't get any action on the trip, and it looks like now he's already fairly clingy. Cringy posts tagging his girlfriend and proclaiming his love for her when they get lunch together. That sort of shit.

I'm predicting he gets divorce raped by this girl in ten or so years and loses all his law money to her along with the rest of his hair.

Post: #104

Crosspost by Alsos on the "Why is Libertarianism equated with Autism?" thread:

Quote:It's noteworthy that nobody seems to be arguing against the premise that libertarians do act like autists/spergs.

This thread itself demonstrates that they do so. Any discussion of how libertarians behave, how they alienate people, how they are their own worst enemies, how their personalities and attitudes limit their behavior, etc. they immediately turn into a discussion about what they believe, and how it makes them morally superior, how you just don't understand the principles, how you haven't read enough Rothbard or Spooner to have a meaningful opinion on the ideology, and other diversions and distractions away from the original subject. In short: "You guys are obsessive weirdos" is instantly and reflexively countered with "You're a statist!" followed by a ten-minute obsessively detailed rant on muh principlez!.

Libertarians are generally incapable of processing nonverbal social cues and direct verbal feedback about how they go about presenting their ideas, mistaking the judgments of behavior with judgments of the ideas.

Thus Diagnosis:Autism.

I know a handful of real libertarians personally (party members, not the "small-l libertarian" types a lot of disaffected small-government/pro-liberty Republicans label themselves as) and have dozens more as acquaintances. To a man (because none are women) they are like this. Ever been to a libertarian happy hour? Yes, such things exist, and they are miserable. It's a bunch of young, bitter, humorless, ideas-obsessed loser men trying to out-lecture each other on how hairsplittingly ideologically "purer" they are. If a woman walks into the room, they'll be shocked and amazed at this development and swarm this strange, exotic creature. Eventually one contextual-alpha from the pack will elbow past the others and perform the libertarian mating dance: he'll literally back her into a corner or up against the wall by invading her personal space, hectoring her on "muh principles" without her being able to escape, believing this will impress her into sleeping with him, wholly unaware that her averted gaze into the distance is not one of longing mixed with careful consideration of his deep philosophical pronouncements but rather that of someone in an intolerably painful situation fixating on a "comfort object"...in this case, the glowing green "EXIT" sign and its promise of blissful escape.

But while autism or aspergers (colloquially rather than clinically defined) might fit, I'm coming around to the belief that it's less that than that they're simply gammas. How does one define a gamma?
1. never wrong about anything
2. others are always wrong about everything
3. always better than others, in some contrived or hairsplitting way
4. anklebiters who shy away from any actual confrontation
5. secret kings who would rule in a just and fair world
6. never responsible for their own failures or failings
7. impervious to criticism and self-analysis

And how have we been describing the "spergy" behavior of libertarians?
1. never wrong about anything - their principles are pure and perfect, you just don't understand them..."go read some Rothbard and educate yourself, moron!"
2. others are always wrong about everything - anyone not 100% on board with their own individual belief-set is dismissed as a statist (which, ironically, rejects the individuality of their interlocutor in favor of strict conformity)
3. always better than others, in some contrived or hairsplitting way - the constant demonstrations of greater ideological purity; prone to sophistry and hairsplitting and rules-lawyering to prove how others are actually wrong even (especially) when its shown otherwise
4. anklebiters who shy away from any actual confrontation - the elevation of the non-aggression principle to sacred dogma above all other principles is nothing more than the valorizing of cowardice in this context; they are aggressive with words and with condemnations, but invoke NAP the instant they provoke someone too far; similarly, they're vainglorious online tough-guys who call people names and call people out, but are obsequiously polite and shy away from any sort of actual confrontation in real life
5. secret kings who would rule in a just and fair world - "If we could just elect Libertarians..."
6. never responsible for their own failures or failings - "It's not our skeezy assholish personalities that keep Libertarians from being elected, it's the corporatist duopoly that unfairly suppresses third parties and brainwashes the sheep-like idiots who should be voting for us into stupidly voting against their own interests"
7. impervious to criticism and self-analysis - see above, and the following replies where this will be demonstrated to any reasonable observer's satisfaction.

Which is all very frustrating. I like a lot of libertarian ideas. But as noted, that the ideology attracts these types of personalities and has become identified with them works against it gaining any traction with normal people.

Post: #105

Great post on Gamma Males and violence.

Quote:Violence, potential or realized, is part of life. Those of us who had been in real fights know that this is not frivolous business. An illustration from the proverbial bar on how violence can be handled:

>A king in a bar: does what he wants, doesn’t cry when one day somebody kills him.
>A normal man: doesn’t provoke, owns his space, picks his battles, and goes all-in when he commits to action.
>A gamma: mouths off faster than he can rein in his repressed aggression, looks in panic for the bouncer.

Gammas instinctively favor centralized power because it gives them cover to run their mouths. And to push deeper into the gamma’s ugly psyche, positioning oneself on the favored side of power offers him a chance to destroy better men. In free local cultures, an honor code enforced by decentralized violence keeps everyone honest. The gamma can’t cut it there, at least not where his ambition outpaces his goods, so he subverts the natural order to advance a tyranny.

Post: #106

In today's DarkStream, (Vox Day's Periscope broadcast), he stated that hard-line positions are almost always held by Gammas. They've no experience leading anyone, so they work out their leadership positions and policies in their heads, while believing that leadership means, "You've got to do everything I say." Inevitably, Gamma leaders become petty Tyrants, and shouldn't be given any leadership positions.

Post: #107

(05-15-2017 11:16 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  In today's DarkStream, (Vox Day's Periscope broadcast), he stated that hard-line positions are almost always held by Gammas. They've no experience leading anyone, so they work out their leadership positions and policies in their heads, while believing that leadership means, "You've got to do everything I say." Inevitably, Gamma leaders become petty Tyrants, and shouldn't be given any leadership positions.

"My way or the highway" even when they have no idea what they're doing, and it's obvious that everyone's going to choose the second option.

Post: #108

The guy in this video is a total Gamma.

Jim (internet aristocrat/mister metokur) vs "Destiny" in a debate last November.

Jim absolutely DEMOLISHES this guy.

This Destiny guy is a "pro-gamer". Yeah, you read that correctly. He sits on his leather ass and streams games live on twitch to an audience of autists who jerk his metaphorical tiny e-peen and caress his balls on a daily basis, reaffirming his every asinine comment and half baked political rambling that comes out of his cucky mouth.

That's the best explanation I can come up with as to why he'd think for a second that anyone gives a flying fuck what he has to say or that he is in any way a contributing member of society. For a guy who streams vidya all day long to talk about "privilege" just blows my mind. We're experiencing levels of lack-of-self-awareness that shouldn't even be possible.

Post: #109

(05-16-2017 04:35 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This Destiny guy is a "pro-gamer". Yeah, you read that correctly. He sits on his leather ass and streams games live on twitch to an audience of autists who jerk his metaphorical tiny e-peen and caress his balls on a daily basis, reaffirming his every asinine comment and half baked political rambling that comes out of his cucky mouth.

Reminds me of the redlettermedia twitch stream, or at least half of it. Jack Packard will frequently start veering towards a SJW toot while Rich desperately tries to prevent the stream from getting political.

Post: #110

(05-16-2017 04:38 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 04:35 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  This Destiny guy is a "pro-gamer". Yeah, you read that correctly. He sits on his leather ass and streams games live on twitch to an audience of autists who jerk his metaphorical tiny e-peen and caress his balls on a daily basis, reaffirming his every asinine comment and half baked political rambling that comes out of his cucky mouth.

Reminds me of the redlettermedia twitch stream, or at least half of it. Jack Packard will frequently start veering towards a SJW toot while Rich desperately tries to prevent the stream from getting political.

Lots of people from that "internet reviewer" subculture turned out to be total cucks. Doug Walker / Channel Awesome are exhibit A.

Post: #111

(05-16-2017 01:56 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(05-15-2017 11:16 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  In today's DarkStream, (Vox Day's Periscope broadcast), he stated that hard-line positions are almost always held by Gammas. They've no experience leading anyone, so they work out their leadership positions and policies in their heads, while believing that leadership means, "You've got to do everything I say." Inevitably, Gamma leaders become petty Tyrants, and shouldn't be given any leadership positions.

"My way or the highway" even when they have no idea what they're doing, and it's obvious that everyone's going to choose the second option.

Well. That's timely advice.

(Reminds self to not be That Leader at work. Anymore.)

Post: #112

Holy shit! The gamma traits listed here describe my mother to the T! Specially the "secret king" part, although in her case it would be "secret queen".

Also can see a few people in my office as having gamma traits. Maybe we should have a thread on how to identify personality types in the workplace. Would be useful in navigating office politics.

Post: #113

Women can't be gamma. That is just a normal woman.

Post: #114

(05-16-2017 04:35 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  The guy in this video is a total Gamma.

Jim (internet aristocrat/mister metokur) vs "Destiny" in a debate last November.

Jim absolutely DEMOLISHES this guy.

This Destiny guy is a "pro-gamer".

And a terrible one at that. I remember him from 7 years ago when I was into Starcraft 2, and even when the scene was young he could not cut it as a competitive player.

Post: #115

(06-28-2017 02:23 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Women can't be gamma. That is just a normal woman.

Spitballing here:

I think that's a fair observation. You know how most women emotionally-remain teenage girls for the rest of their lives? So do Gamma Males.

They react to events and stimulus following what I've come to observe as being 'The Standard Teenage Girl Rules':

1. Everyone has to like me.
2. Everyone must be chasing my approval.
3. Everyone has to do what I say.
4. Everyone must like what I like.
5. No-one else is ever allowed receive more attention than me, for any reason.
6. Anyone who even slightly-wrongs me must be utterly-destroyed.
7. If a 6 shows signs of 2 and 3, all will be publicly-forgiven, but never, ever forgotten.

You can see how these rules also accurately describe Gamma Males, but I still think we are seeing the rise of Gamma Female, particularly in 'Geek' Culture', Feminism and Academia.

The Distinction between Gamma Men, Gamma Women and Normal Women is subtle, but I suspect it's this:

Gamma is when you want the power, attention, respect and rewards that are naturally-given to a High-Status Male, whilst thinking and behaving as a petulant, untrustworthy teenage girl would.

Somewhere in my discussions on here, I mentioned my theory on the scale of Pure Female to Pure Male Sexuality, I see Gamma as existing on the Female side, being slightly more masculine than Gay Men, but only just, where Lesbians have slightly-more masculinity than a Gamma, but would exist on the Male Side. Perhaps Gamma is the dysfunction to be drawn to the 'wrong' Thought / Behavioural pole for your sex.

So, for clarification:

The High School Queen Bee wants to rule the school through Social Domination: what I think of as a combination of Being Loved and Being Feared*. This 'Princess' fantasy is Feminine in instinct, since it's about having emotional-control over the women, and sexual-control over the men.

The Gamma Woman wants to take over and rule male-dominated spaces, a Masculine Instinct, hence the current rise of Msfunctional Lesbians and Feminists (assuming there's any real separation between the two) into Tech and Geek Culture.

See the subtle difference? This Desire to be Male whilst Female leads to sexual dysfunction:

Where the Queen Bee seeks sexual control over Alpha Males via Beauty and Sexual Ability, she still wants to sexually-submit to a worthy Male Pack Leader.

In the event a Gamma Woman does partake in heterosexual sex, she would be seeking to sexually-control her Male Partner (most like a Gullible Delta or Male Gamma brainwashed by progressivism) by BEING the Male Pack Leader, which means they'll be more interested in the sexual-humiliation of their boyfriends, either through emotional-violation (the rise in cuckoldry) or physical-violation (anal penetration).



Is this the face of a pack leader, or a broken man?



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* I haven't read Machiavelli enough to offer a fair psychological appraisal, but some of what I've seen in passing strikes me as far more 'Teenage Girl' and 'Sneaky' in thought to have ever appealed to me. Was he Gamma?

Post: #116

The biggest man-child tantrums I have ever witnessed are when guys like this have invested a large portion of their ego into being good at a particular video game then procede to get publically tooled at said game. Just make sure you don't have anything valuable nearby as their rage is almost always directed at inanimate objects, which don't fight back.

They also seem drawn to instruction in the sorts of "Martial Arts" schools that treat the black belts, and especially the "master" that runs the dojo, with a cult-like reverance and the students are instructed to never actually use their training because its "too deadly". In reality its usually a bunch of ninja-LARPing, chi-wizard bullshit and the students in all likelihood would get seriously hurt if they ever actually engaged in combat with someone. Schools with fat blackbelts.

Post: #117

(06-28-2017 06:34 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  The Gamma Woman wants to take over and rule male-dominated spaces, a Masculine Instinct, hence the current rise of Msfunctional Lesbians and Feminists (assuming there's any real separation between the two) into Tech and Geek Culture.

See the subtle difference? This Desire to be Male whilst Female leads to sexual dysfunction:

Where the Queen Bee seeks sexual control over Alpha Males via Beauty and Sexual Ability, she still wants to sexually-submit to a worthy Male Pack Leader.

In the event a Gamma Woman does partake in heterosexual sex, she would be seeking to sexually-control her Male Partner (most like a Gullible Delta or Male Gamma brainwashed by progressivism) by BEING the Male Pack Leader, which means they'll be more interested in the sexual-humiliation of their boyfriends, either through emotional-violation (the rise in cuckoldry) or physical-violation (anal penetration).

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* I haven't read Machiavelli enough to offer a fair psychological appraisal, but some of what I've seen in passing strikes me as far more 'Teenage Girl' and 'Sneaky' in thought to have ever appealed to me. Was he Gamma?

This entirely fits with my archetype of the "Gamma Female". Who is the natural ally/partner of the Gamma Male? The Porn Star - or more specifically, the Camwhore.

As porn grows increasingly ubiquitous and the revenue streams dry up, there is a push towards two outcomes: extremely deviant porn, and the addictive porn star personality.

The latter is used by studios, not the 'actresses': porn is about novelty, and when you film Midget Gangbang Pt. XVIII, you're going to be focused on finding brand new Midwestern girls to star in the center of it all, rather than a returning actress. This is no different than young hopefuls posing for topless pics 50 years ago, it's just more degrading.

For a woman to 'make it' in porn, she needs to develop a personal following. The current version of this is camwhores; during their live shows, they'll beg for donations, and nominate the highest donator as the "Session Boyfriend". The only thing I can think of that's more degrading than watching a camwhore in the first place, is having her say "Awww, you're so cute! You're my session boyfriend!"

Gamma Males thrive on this; they're desperate for the approving pat on the head from a woman, in some sort of preternatural Madonna/whore combination. Instead of the healthy union of these opposites - YOUR whore and YOUR CHILDREN'S Madonna - she is Madonna to the Gamma, and whore to everyone else.

Now you might say: "Wait a minute, I thought the Gamma was obsessed with status; why would he be okay with his woman fucking another man?" To that I say, it's clear that you haven't studied demonology.

The Gamma hates the Alphas who sleep with women, not out of moral prudery, but because he's the One True Love of these honourable sluts. Her sluttiness is a mark of her virtue - the only vice present is how controlling the evil Alpha is. The Gamma worships promiscuity in some sort of esoteric, cuttlefish like manner. The sluttier the woman, the higher the probability that he might get his dick wet; but more importantly, the slut gives him hugs and kisses, telling him how cute he is, and it's okay that he messed his trousers.

If you're a healthy man, you probably don't think too much about Camwhores. You probably wouldn't date one - you certainly wouldn't marry one - but who cares what she does on the camera? The wankers watching her are no sort of threat to you. But if you're a healthy woman, you wind up having just as much contempt for the Camwhore as a healthy man has for the wanking Gamma. She tarts herself up, cheapens your sex's most powerful tool, and wastes her money on things that has nothing to do with building a nest (translate to Man Speak: wastes his money on nerd shit instead of some automotive tools). The Camwhore dominates men in the most pathetic of manners, while also utterly failing to fulfil the calling of her sex.

Hell is full of these types of people.

Post: #118

(06-28-2017 06:34 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I haven't read Machiavelli enough to offer a fair psychological appraisal, but some of what I've seen in passing strikes me as far more 'Teenage Girl' and 'Sneaky' in thought to have ever appealed to me. Was he Gamma?

Machiavelli's "The Prince" was actually satire. He had previously written about how to rule as a servant of the people, fairly and justly. For this, the Medicis broke is arms. After they healed up, he wrote "The Prince" as a "fuck you" to the Medicis. Essentially saying, "Fine, you want to know how to gain as much power and prestige as possible? Here, here you go."

So that could be considered gamma. Subtle digs at enemies in a manual on power.

Post: #119

(06-28-2017 08:33 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:34 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I haven't read Machiavelli enough to offer a fair psychological appraisal, but some of what I've seen in passing strikes me as far more 'Teenage Girl' and 'Sneaky' in thought to have ever appealed to me. Was he Gamma?

Machiavelli's "The Prince" was actually satire. He had previously written about how to rule as a servant of the people, fairly and justly. For this, the Medicis broke is arms. After they healed up, he wrote "The Prince" as a "fuck you" to the Medicis. Essentially saying, "Fine, you want to know how to gain as much power and prestige as possible? Here, here you go."

So that could be considered gamma. Subtle digs at enemies in a manual on power.

Still one of my favorite books. There's some large nuggets of non-satirical wisdom in there.

For example:
"He who neglects what is done for what ought to be done, sooner affects his ruin than his preservation."

Gammas aren't exactly fans of action or tough choices.

Post: #120

(06-28-2017 07:39 PM)Aurini Wrote:  For a woman to 'make it' in porn, she needs to develop a personal following. The current version of this is camwhores; during their live shows, they'll beg for donations, and nominate the highest donator as the "Session Boyfriend". The only thing I can think of that's more degrading than watching a camwhore in the first place, is having her say "Awww, you're so cute! You're my session boyfriend!"

Gamma Males thrive on this; they're desperate for the approving pat on the head from a woman, in some sort of preternatural Madonna/whore combination. Instead of the healthy union of these opposites - YOUR whore and YOUR CHILDREN'S Madonna - she is Madonna to the Gamma, and whore to everyone else.

Now you might say: "Wait a minute, I thought the Gamma was obsessed with status; why would he be okay with his woman fucking another man?" To that I say, it's clear that you haven't studied demonology.

The Gamma hates the Alphas who sleep with women, not out of moral prudery, but because he's the One True Love of these honourable sluts. Her sluttiness is a mark of her virtue - the only vice present is how controlling the evil Alpha is. The Gamma worships promiscuity in some sort of esoteric, cuttlefish like manner. The sluttier the woman, the higher the probability that he might get his dick wet; but more importantly, the slut gives him hugs and kisses, telling him how cute he is, and it's okay that he messed his trousers.

I see this through the lens of narcissism. It's not much different to cuckold degeneracy.

Remember the analyses up the page that diagnose a Gamma Male as essentially a teenage girl: everything has to be about me, no one can be better than me, everyone has to be chasing my approval, etc. Teenagers, and teenage girls in particular, are narcissists. They see the rest of the world as background to themselves. Literally everything in existence revolves around them.

So, what does our gamma get out of a faux-relationship with a camwhore? He gets acknowledged as the boyfriend. It doesn't matter that the relationship is fake, because to a narcissist the external signifier is more important than the internal.

What does being acknowledged as the boyfriend do?

As with the cuckold fetish, it allows the guy the ego-massage of saying to himself "She's a slut who has the pick of any man on the Internet, literally any man in the world, but it's me that she calls her boyfriend." That is a massive payoff to this type of personality.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #121

(06-28-2017 08:40 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 08:33 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 06:34 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I haven't read Machiavelli enough to offer a fair psychological appraisal, but some of what I've seen in passing strikes me as far more 'Teenage Girl' and 'Sneaky' in thought to have ever appealed to me. Was he Gamma?

Machiavelli's "The Prince" was actually satire. He had previously written about how to rule as a servant of the people, fairly and justly. For this, the Medicis broke is arms. After they healed up, he wrote "The Prince" as a "fuck you" to the Medicis. Essentially saying, "Fine, you want to know how to gain as much power and prestige as possible? Here, here you go."

So that could be considered gamma. Subtle digs at enemies in a manual on power.

Still one of my favorite books. There's some large nuggets of non-satirical wisdom in there.

For example:
"He who neglects what is done for what ought to be done, sooner affects his ruin than his preservation."

Gammas aren't exactly fans of action or tough choices.

I meant to say something on this!

Machiavelli's Discourses of Livy were an analysis of governorship and virtue in a vein similar to Quintus Curtius' work; The Prince was the dumbed down version, in which he appealed to naked, childish self-interest to try and encourage pragmatism.

It could be viewed as him trying to talk Gamma Males princes into being less self destructive, for the sake of the general welfare. To make them feel clever for being merely pragmatic. It's also a statement on the human condition in general.

Post: #122

(06-28-2017 08:52 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  As with the cuckold fetish, it allows the guy the ego-massage of saying to himself "She's a slut who has the pick of any man on the Internet, literally any man in the world, but it's me that she calls her boyfriend." That is a massive payoff to this type of personality.

Almost spot on, Para.

Ages ago in another thread, I mentioned that my Teenage Gamma friend gave a $5,000 engagement ring to a Prostitute, who ran off with it a few weeks later and vanished until I saw her working as a stripper years later.

You're right in that a Gamma would feed his narcissism by thinking he now has higher social status by possessing 'a hot, nympho' girlfriend: what he'd perceive as Goods traditionally-owned by Alpha Males, therefore he must be the Alpha Male that no-one else ever seems to recognise him as.

However, since he has a deeply-broken and resentful conception of what an Alpha Male is, he'd never understand that no Alpha Male would ever think you would gain positive social status by marrying a known whore.

No-one around the Gamma was impressed: his (few) friends, the girls who knew him, or his mother. We were all disgusted by the obvious damaged goods alarm bell this girl was ringing, and told him so to her face.

Guess what the reaction was?

"You just don't know her like I do."

Yes, the Female Hamster Cliche.

So, being Functionally Female in thought, I'd suggest that the Gamma's initial reaction would start out with what you suggested - narcissistic supply - but I'd believe that, once he realises no-one is impressed with him dating a Whore - such as his domineering mother dismissing her out of hand as having 'Yo-Yo Knickers' - the rationalization would kick in.

Since Gammas are in complete denial of Female Agency - hence all us Evil Alphas 'tricking' the women he believes he more-rightfully deserves into sex - he would stop thinking of her as a slut, and I guarantee that this would become his new narrative.

She was never a 'real' whore. She was a Good Girl lead astray and lured into sex work against her will by Evil Forces, and he was the Handsome Prince who saved her from her degradation and inevitable destruction by turning her towards the light with his superior alpha dick True Love's Kiss, which is powerful enough to erase her sordid past.

Rather than any of us being impressed that Gamma finally had a girlfriend, we were horrified at his blindness as to exactly what he was intending to marry, believing it to be virtuous.

Post: #123

I think a great quote that applies to Gammas comes from the show 'Justified.' The lead character, Raylan Givens, says, "If you ran into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, maybe you're the asshole."

After I banged a coworker of my former gamma friend (he could've fucked her at an earlier point, but blew the deal), he started reasoning why she slept with me. "Oh, she just got out of a serious relationship and felt lonely." "She wanted me first (yet didn't fuck him)." "She's not normally like that. She must have drank more than I thought."

They're snarky and passive-aggressive, while constantly bringing everyone around them down. It's best to keep them at an arm's length (if you must be around them), or write them off altogether. You do something great? You got lucky. They accomplish some menial task? They're the shit. There really is no way up with people who think like this. I see plenty of men with gamma tendencies who aren't full-blown gamma. Sometimes you can hammer that shit out of them, as it comes from their insecurities rather than from their built-in personalities. If you encounter a guy who exhibits full-blown gamma traits, run like you would from a girl who's BPD.

Post: #124

Gentlemen, I was listening to an album from 10 years or so back, and I found the Gamma Anthem.

Since the band has a strong satirical side, it's obviously not-serious - I mean, look at the 'Coming Up' nod of the video. That being said, this is exactly the internal monologue of the Gamma Male.





The funny thing is, I wrote a similar song in the early 00's, but the band and I hesitated at doing it, because they didn't think your Australian audience would understand that I was singing in character, and, although I wrote most of the material, everyone had the right to veto material. Shame, I remember it being a good one. I'll have to try and dig the demo out.

This 'tell me no' attitude might be hard for a more fragile artist to understand, but whenever a song was rejected, my attitude was always "OK. I'll go write a better song." Then I consistently-would, every time, to the extent I believe my best material comes from an act of artistic rejection.

This is something a Gamma could never do. It's why they can be very good artists, but never great ones. My last collaborator - one of the most broken gammas I've ever met - would dismiss hours of my work with a 'You've written better'.

He recently revealed the reason for eighteen months of sulking surliness and holding completion of the work hostage only three vocal tracks near completion. It was exactly what I was expected: I (and others) disliked his drum track on a song, and i asked him to rethink it and try again.

Note that out of twenty drum and vocal performances this was the only gentle criticism that I ever gave him. Even though it was a good two years back, you'd think the wound had only just happened, and the viciousness with which it was delivered meant I could tell he'd been waiting all that time to attack me about it.

See, again, the similarity to female behaviour? You know how you get into a fight with your girlfriend and the bring up random shit from years ago you'd completely forgotten about to attack you with?

I figured the best way to respond was to respond as I would with a girl: call his bluff. Most of girls bitchy behaviour is that they think you need them more than they need you. I 'broke up' with him, and each step of the way - particularly when he tried to walk it back - it was a tactic I'd use to break up with a girl.

Note that I've never had to do this with a bloke before. If you stop being mates with a bloke, it usually involves drifting away due to life changes or fists.

Gammas are teenage girls.

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BONUS SIGMA SIGHTING:

Hey, Aurini: I caught the fireworks at the end of the Betchloff podcast today.

Understand that geek culture doesn't appeal to me, but you guys became a very guilty pleasure for me and a previous girlfriend as a Socio-Sexual Drama, so she'd lie her head on my chest as we'd listen, and I'd explain the personal dynamics playing out in real time. ie. "Hear how John is trying to subtly-game Anne, and Forney's is Top Dogging John and proving mate value to Anne by being more cutting and cynical than both Gen X'ers?"

"She'd never pick Matt over the Detective!"

"Baby Girl, she already has."

Later, my observation turned out to be correct.

Anyway, none of this is meant as an insult. You need unique personalities that don't quite gel to provide great theater, and, well, it works in the same way Professional Wrestling does, except it's verbal rather than physical. I just got worried when she wanted to see pics of all you guys, and hope she's not now writing Hurt/Comfort Fanfic where Betchloff is trying to win back Undertow by covering his bed with old game cartridges and Japanimation videos.

Personally, I'd start thinking about Season Arcs, Triumph Over Adversity and Heel Turns to bring in more viewers, particularly if you could add more girls in the mix.

Anyway, it was some time back, but do you remember me warning you that John Steele was a Vox Day Sigma in the Wild? You said he was a 'good guy', but I don't think you understood my concern.

A Sigma will get bored of social situations very easily, particularly if he feels contempt towards the other actors in the scene. This doesn't mean he doesn't like them, but, in their own way, Sigmas get triggered, usually by perceiving irritations in the conversation as Immaturity, Stuffiness, Insincerity, Pretension, Status-Seeking, Pearl-Clutching or Circular Fixation upon a particular argument without resolve.

This is when a Sigma will start needling and poking, pushing the boundaries of good taste, or deliberately-holding contrary opinions to the group to lower his boredom level. They may even go so far as to break social convention entirely, and just walk out of the conversation with no explanation to go and approach a woman.

The tell is, they'll have a grin on their face the entire time they're seeking the rise. People won't always be able to tell they're being fucked with, but Sigmas are experts at getting under people's skin and triggering them into emotional outbursts - hence the P.I. License.

Sigmas are so good at this they can trigger Alphas into losing their shit in front of everyone.

Ages back, you were pontificating at length about Gamma on the podcast, and Steele interrupted you - bored now! - by basically saying "This all sounds like a crock of shit."

I had to laugh. It's such a predictable Sigma response. You need to be short and direct with a Sigma. He'd respect someone like Aaron Clarey for his no-time-for-niceties, telegraphed manner of speech.

A tip: the key to keeping his bullshit under control is Forney: he always knows. Whether it's conscious intention or not, he'll mirror, or amplify, and keep John off-balance trying to force him back into holding a contrary position, even if it contradicts his former behaviour: Vulgarian one week, Pearl-Clutching Prude the next.

Since Steele can't get one over on him, he walks to heel around him.

See why we'd enjoy the show?

I was chuckling over him talking about 'Shooting Christians' today, like Catholics haven't been repeatedly-warned by scripture and prophecy that the church would be corrupted, and understand that our task is to hold onto our faith regardless.

But he's a Sigma. Coming out with a Crowleyist insult like 'Dead Jew On A Stick' has value to him to end the triggering irritation of a group of men making sincere testimonials of faith.

See why a Sigma would need to tell a group of believers about how he's an Odinist? It's like a Fat Chick going into detail about her Wiccan beliefs: the choice comes from a place of sincerely-held belief, but rejection of wider belief due to social dysfunction.

This is part of the reason why I've never seen the Narcissistic Appeal of the Sigma Label. Just because they can successfully get pussy, and kind-of-navigate social situations until the point of annoyance or boredom, doesn't convince me that Sigmas don't have a whiff of 'Sperg about them.

Post: #125

^I feel like sperg and ability to get pussy are things that don't belong in the same sentence. Chaotic and self destructive perhaps, but sperg means being socially incapable to a degree. And no sperg, unless wildly successful, can even hope to get half decent pussy much less navigate social situations.

I think Sigmas just have a deep seated death wish to a degree so they feel the consistent need to rebel. That was the fastest way to get shot ages ago and it would explain the antisocial tendencies.