Post: #26

(08-25-2011 08:19 AM)Roosh Wrote:  2. "I don't have sex on the first date."

If you hit resistance like this. You're most likely already making out and hitting third base or whatever. Things are getting hot, and she knows that you guys are about to have sex if she doesn't put up some resistance.

If/when she does this, just brush off and say something like this: "me either, but this feels good (the making out etc) and we're both adults we can control ourselves" Dial it down a knotch and keep on making out for another 5-10 minutes before starting to escalate again.

The point here is that when you hit the resistance you take a step back, but you keep it physical by touching and making out, just a notch below where you were before. You also sort of challenging here through your comment that she should be able to control herself.

Eventually you get her so hot by making out and keeping on the pressure, that you have a good chance of pushing through the resistance.

Post: #27

(08-25-2011 08:19 AM)Roosh Wrote:  2. "I don't have sex on the first date."

Happened to me a few times. I always ignored it, with varying results....................

One time this girl I really should've had nothing to do with hit me with "I don't sleep with guys until a month later". I dead-batted her delivery like Geoff Boycott at his finest. 90 minutes later we were back in my dorm room.

Another time I met this girl in Browar (you been there yet?). She managed to keep that detail to herself until I had got her almost naked in her room. And there was me thinking I was a boss for walking in at midnight, walking out with her by 2am and getting fed food and booze by 2.30am............

thinking back, is it the case that Polish women are just that nice and feminine enough to look after their men at ALL hours, or did she think to herself "I can't finish this chicken myself, what am I gonna do? Wait, it's Hip-Hop night tonight........"

Post: #28

(08-25-2011 01:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  1. "I understand" and keep escalating physically. If it's a no-kissing rule, keep trying and use the excuse that "the flesh is weak." She'll laugh with you, will find it endearing, and might break down. If it's a no-sex rule, use your best over-the-clothes game. You all should have mastered snake-like moves for removing the bra under the shirt, rubbing the pussy over the jeans, grinding your raging boner against her (for young girls especially), and finding the weak spots that get her going. If she protests, say "you're right. let's take a break," and resume in a few minutes. Wear her down. Women are weak.

All good suggestions, I like this one the best. If a chick needs to make explicit "rules" for herself it probably means she has poor self-control and is using the rule as a way to decrease the likelihood that she'll give it up in the heat of the moment (in all likelihood because she's done it before and later regretted it). It tells you that she's the type of person who's prone to give in to sexual/emotional temptation which means that if you get her horny enough she's likely to break.

If a girl told me she has a "rule" about not kissing, fucking, or whatever I would treat it like any other kind of resistance: back off, put some space between you, then re-engage and try to get her turned on enough to barrel past the point of no return. If you keep running up against the same brick wall you could try a nuclear option like the Style freeze-out, but I probably wouldn't give up and play by her rule unless I started getting the feeling that I was seriously pissing her off.

The closest thing I've had to one of these "rules" chicks was a law student who repeatedly told me we weren't having sex and kept pulling my hand away whenever I tried to rub over her vagina or finger her. Eventually we just started dry-humping with boxers and panties, I used Roosh's condom line with the "for rubbing, so we're completely safe" follow-up, and I pulled her panties to the side and stuck it in. She said "Oh God" as I did it but didn't resist. The next morning one of the first things she said to me was "you know, I really wasn't planning on having sex with you last night."

So yeah, I pretty much go hard for the bang until she either breaks down or gets up and leaves. If you can heat her up enough she won't give a shit about the rules anymore.

Post: #29

If it's during escalation, I'd say/do something like...

I love to break rules (followed with aggression).

Post: #30

If she does have a bonafide rule, it may be impossible to break. But many times it's a bullshit rule that they've already broken many times, or straight-out a shit test just to see how ready you are to give up.
The only way to find out is to plow on.

I've had cases where the rule turned out to be genuine (or I wasn't the type of guy able to make her break it?) and I've also had cases like:
- "I am not having sex on the first night" (pulled out a spare pair of panties out of her purse the next morning)
- "I would never cheat on my husband" (grabbed my cock an hour later)
- "I don't like to be touched" (initiating touching herself after 5 minutes of conversation)

Granted, I don't remember the specific word "rule" being used.

Post: #31

If she did that, I'd recommend when in escalation do things that will turn her on but don't kiss until she wants to kiss you. Ie. blow gently up and down along her neck, bite her ear playfully, put your hands behind the back of her knees then on her neck and shoulder, then when you have her all horned up, if she brings up the rule, say don't worry I won't break your rules, I'm awesome, i never break the rules and go for the kiss anyway, or you could say rules were made to be broken or you could say I'm a dangerous man, you know why.... because I break all the rules, ha ha ha and move in for the kiss.

Some girls will just stick to their rules and you can't do much about it

Another tactic, is to say ok and act like you could not care less and act completyly oblivious. It will get you sex later but it tend to me no sex for that night, you can get it then next for almost 90% sure

Post: #32

I agree with what most people say here. Just play it off like a shit test in the ways described.

I encountered a "rule" a month or so back. I brought a girl home from the club we makeout, she stops before any fingering or anything. I stay over and see her a few weeks later. We've had a bit to drink she comes back to my place. We start making out, eventually shes on top of me naked and then proceeds to tell me that shes not going to sleep with anyone until marriage. No bang for me.

There are the girls who so a rule maybe as a shit-test, but what about those with iron will. I KNOW this girl wants to fuck me, but the rule has caused her to say no. Would the best approach be just confusing the hamster and making sex happen and pass it off as "it just happened..." Any tactics to do this aside from alcohol? (I'd rather not run the risk of someone crying rape)

Post: #33

Some girls just will stick to the rule, remember girls can be beta too, if you go to an omega girl and start offering her cock she will run out the room because she thinks dick is the devil. Just like some nerdy guys would run out the room if a hot girl took her shirt off in front of them. The only way of skirting it would be to create more attraction between the 2 of you so that she will be begging for your cock in her hen house.

Post: #34

(12-09-2011 10:47 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  I agree with what most people say here. Just play it off like a shit test in the ways described.

I encountered a "rule" a month or so back. I brought a girl home from the club we makeout, she stops before any fingering or anything. I stay over and see her a few weeks later. We've had a bit to drink she comes back to my place. We start making out, eventually shes on top of me naked and then proceeds to tell me that shes not going to sleep with anyone until marriage. No bang for me.

There are the girls who so a rule maybe as a shit-test, but what about those with iron will. I KNOW this girl wants to fuck me, but the rule has caused her to say no. Would the best approach be just confusing the hamster and making sex happen and pass it off as "it just happened..." Any tactics to do this aside from alcohol? (I'd rather not run the risk of someone crying rape)

I'd ignore the bitch

Sounds like a TON of work for 1 lay

Post: #35

(08-25-2011 01:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  1. "I understand" and keep escalating physically. If it's a no-kissing rule, keep trying and use the excuse that "the flesh is weak." She'll laugh with you, will find it endearing, and might break down. If it's a no-sex rule, use your best over-the-clothes game. You all should have mastered snake-like moves for removing the bra under the shirt, rubbing the pussy over the jeans, grinding your raging boner against her (for young girls especially), and finding the weak spots that get her going. If she protests, say "you're right. let's take a break," and resume in a few minutes. Wear her down. Women are weak.

I encountered the "no sex" rule before. Once with a Serbian chick who was already in my bed in her underwear... "I don't take off my underwear on the first date." WTF?! What I did was just say, "ok" like it wsa no big deal with a smirk to show that I thought her rule was stupid. Then I just escalated like crazy saying, "I just want to [fill in the blank]" "I just want to hold you and feel your chest against mine." (Off comes the bra.) "I just want to feel your naked body against mine," (Off come the panties) "I just want to put my hand right here," (commece the fingering) all the while treating the "rule" as something we both must obey. Pretty soon, she was on her hands and knees completely naked . And that's when she uttered the two most beautiful words: "Fuck me."

It was all very playful, like a game where I was teasing her with her own "rule" until she couldn't stand it anymore.

I've never gotten the "I won't kiss..." rule. But I'd treat it the same way. Basically I'd say something like, "Ok - I just want to hold you... I just want to feel the warmth of your cheek against mine... I just want to look into your eyes..." I'm pretty sure if you create a favorable circumstance and create enough tension, she'll bust through the rule like a fat American headed into a Wal Mart on Black Friday. Make the tension so excruciating that she's forced to break her own rule.

Post: #36

A girl once said to me "I won't sleep with you unless we're in a relationship. I fucked her two days later.

The tactic I used was just to say "well it's your loss then". The key is to convince yourself that you really don't care, and to adopt that air of amused mastery that Roissy always writes about.

This won't work if you sound at all bitter, and has to be delivered in a jokey "I'm a boss who can get any girl so idgaf if you don't put out" mentality.

Worked that one time though