Post: #26

Why not consider moving to different part of the world or finding faithful girl there?

Post: #27

Huh, I read a lot of judging between the lines and let me defend a little bit my virtual forum reputation :-)

I LOVE game, I game the 60 year old woman from my breakfast place, and basically everything what is female, slim (don't like fatties) and not together with a friend. :-) I do NOT look for shortcuts around developing game or looks because I LOVE it anyways. And I do not have problems to sleep with attractive girls without investing money.

The thread was about turning sponsor girls you already have sex with into girlfriends. If you want to speak about p4p (had to google it), then it's more about pay 4 loyalty/faithfulness.

I believe, that some people here have a negative relationship with money out of whatever reasons and look down on people who use it to reach their goals in life. My friends spend their money on business class flight tickets and fancy vacations. I, too, but I prefer to do a bet on a human being and LEARN something than to sit 12 hours in a better chair. If a girl asks for taxi money, I just give it to her, because I prefer that she rips me off for a 2 dollars then to walk downstairs (unless I want to test her). If a tiger eats a human baby, I still like him if he provides any value to my life. It's nothing personal. Everything else would be investing resources into your ego so that you can tell yourself she likes you because of your game, humor, looks or whatever. I did that. Now I don't care so much about others people confirmation, I just want to reach my goals (call it the "black pill" please). :-)

Right now I'm looking more for LTR, something new to me. Now I found out that it's a completely new challenge. Can money help?

@tomzestatlu
I kind of like where I am and found some good friendships here.

Post: #28

(03-26-2017 10:31 PM)Woolf Wrote:  If you want to speak about p4p (had to google it), then it's more about pay 4 loyalty/faithfulness.

To clarify -- {a} sponsoring girls, while not a pure equivalent of P4P, is similar in the sense that money is exchanged for intimacy and company, and {b} the number of problems you associated with being a provider (e.g., "all girls either keep meeting additional sponsors or the attraction goes away") perhaps reflect a few of the many reasons why Roosh has thankfully declared this a P4P-free zone. I wrote 'perhaps' as I can only speculate about these reasons. That said, further problems associated with being a sugar daddy have been highlighted in the posts I linked from Noir, Travelerkai, and countless others. Indeed, this forum has thousands of posts relating to the perils of laying money or resources at the foundation of any sexual relationship. The tenet "Don't be a Provider", a relative of "Don't Supplicate", is a cornerstone of game -- no way around it. Frankly speaking, I'm a bit perplexed as to how you reportedly got over 200 bangs without internalizing these principles.

(03-26-2017 10:31 PM)Woolf Wrote:  Right now I'm looking more for LTR, something new to me. Now I found out that it's a completely new challenge. Can money help?

In many ways 'yes' (e.g., by funding a comfortable living arrangement) and in many ways 'no' (e.g., by fostering a transactional relationship). At this point, however, I think a better question for you to ask would be: "Right now I'm looking more for LTR, something new to me. How do I find a good woman and develop a LTR with her?" Ever better if you can include your definition of 'LTR', the specific things you're looking for, and other background information.

(03-26-2017 10:31 PM)Woolf Wrote:  The thread was about turning sponsor girls you already have sex with into girlfriends.

With this still in mind, I suggest you consider the following:

{1} Having a lot of bangs, while providing many benefits such as a sense of abundance, does not automatically qualify a man to be an expert on long-term, devoted relationships. Further, there a some problems associated with transitioning from a lifestyle of the hedonistic player to a family man, such as the deep-set adaptation to sensation-seeking. Therefore, it is important to be open and honest with yourself about which behaviours or attitudes of yours could be reassessed when it comes to being LTR-ready.

{2} If you want to gain success in a new field, one of the best things you can do is find real-life mentors who are already successful in that field and likewise model the behaviours and mindsets of other masters. As I noted in my previous post, there are plenty of blokes here at RVF who are already enjoying devoted relationships with special women. This forum is an amazing platform for connecting conscious men both on and offline.

{3} Have a read through the threads/posts I linked, and then come back and advise on why you still think a sponsored girl is or is not a good prospect for a LTR, starting with "Girlfriend considering stripping for financial reasons" and "Tag the Sponsor Exposes Instagram Hoes". This thread is also relevant: "LTR material, but high notch-count possible?"

Post: #29

OP like some members have posted why would you want to "keep" a sponsorette? Are you trying to "white knight save them"? No girl that chooses that lifestyle is worthy of being "kept" no matter where they are from. Sponsorette is just a high class term for hooker really...

Post: #30

I'm not sure what you were expecting.

By subsidizing that girl's lifestyle (like a simp) you put yourself in the simp box. Why would they not keep additional sponsors around? There is literally no consequence for their actions. It's 100% upside for them.

In fact, if they were to drop all their other sponsors then they would be losing out on money and gifts.



You're just another dude who is getting duped for money.

I think that you are just going to have to reconcile the fact that the sort of girl that you like in South America is essentially a prostitute. Hookers don't have hearts; don't let Hollywood fool you. Furthermore, any chick doing that soft p4p model is essentially a little broken or at the very least too far gone to be worth keeping around in the long-term. We already know this from the various threads about this sort of thing.

Basic game knowledge: do not try to turn these hoes into housewives. Hell, they're even suspect as girlfriends.

Your best bet would be to take the careerist type girl, help fund her business and keep her busy with that. That said, she'll wear herself out after a while and you'll be back at square one.

Post: #31

(03-26-2017 10:31 PM)Woolf Wrote:  it's more about pay 4 loyalty/faithfulness

Which is the crux of your problem. Hard truth: if you need to 'sponsor' a girl to keep her around, she's not attracted to you and you haven't gamed her... she's attracted to your money, which she could easily get from some other guy.

In short, loyalty can't be bought. It's surprising how many guys don't understand that.

Post: #32

I'm a little confused.

Why is a guy with 200+ notches "experimenting" with soft-core prostitution?

Surely that would be like "experimenting" with flushing your money down the toilet.

You say you can only get aroused by an 8+. If you have 200 notches then why aren't you the guy these pseudo-hookers fuck on the side for free to wash the stench of beta provider off of them?

200 notches, for real? How is it you can't flip a handful of 8s to plate status or even a single sorta-whore getting into the game or out of it?

Surely you could see how the discerning RVF member might be just a little bit sceptical.

Post: #33

What some guys in this thread are not quite understanding, is that in the OP's location, this type of "arrangement" is more common than you realize. Here in the states, it is very common for HOT (and many not so hot dreamers as well) girls 18-22 to be at least curious about finding a "sponsor"... At least some of their friends have done or are doing it, and the lure of easy money (or a boost in social status, or whatever) is strong.

Especially when you are a foreigner, and the country is poor, this type of relationship is somewhat ingrained in the culture when it comes to dating older gringos (as noted here by others, it is in Asia, Russia, and Latin America)..

You are going to have to change and become truly different and more interesting to set yourself apart.

Yes, the best bet is to search for new girls who are not actively seeking that sort of dynamic. Change your approach, and become more interesting. You are obviously hanging out with other "rich" dudes who are using this sort of dynamic to their advantage... bringing your girl into that social circle is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps change your social circle and become more dangerous/mysterious/exciting. You are better off investing yourself, and investing in new activities that might allow you to interact with new/different girls more.

OP, are you really looking for a true ltr/marriage? You have noted that you want your girls to be exclusive, but do you really want something long term? If so, then you need to focus on new girls, and a completely new lifestyle/approach instead of converting a girl that you have picked up using the "provider" approach.

As you found out with your testing....can't "convert" them using money. You may be able to try to convert them by getting them hooked on the "adventures" you bring to them, or something else they can't get anywhere else. But once a slut/once a hooker, always a hooker is going to remain true.

Post: #34

Be younger, have a better body than your sponsor and be able to hit it right. get jacked in the gym, or work on your own finances

Post: #35

(04-11-2017 08:51 PM)dirty_old Wrote:  What some guys in this thread are not quite understanding, is that in the OP's location, this type of "arrangement" is more common than you realize. Here in the states, it is very common for HOT (and many not so hot dreamers as well) girls 18-22 to be at least curious about finding a "sponsor"... At least some of their friends have done or are doing it, and the lure of easy money (or a boost in social status, or whatever) is strong.

Especially when you are a foreigner, and the country is poor, this type of relationship is somewhat ingrained in the culture when it comes to dating older gringos (as noted here by others, it is in Asia, Russia, and Latin America)..

You are going to have to change and become truly different and more interesting to set yourself apart.

Yes, the best bet is to search for new girls who are not actively seeking that sort of dynamic. Change your approach, and become more interesting. You are obviously hanging out with other "rich" dudes who are using this sort of dynamic to their advantage... bringing your girl into that social circle is a recipe for disaster. Perhaps change your social circle and become more dangerous/mysterious/exciting. You are better off investing yourself, and investing in new activities that might allow you to interact with new/different girls more.

OP, are you really looking for a true ltr/marriage? You have noted that you want your girls to be exclusive, but do you really want something long term? If so, then you need to focus on new girls, and a completely new lifestyle/approach instead of converting a girl that you have picked up using the "provider" approach.

As you found out with your testing....can't "convert" them using money. You may be able to try to convert them by getting them hooked on the "adventures" you bring to them, or something else they can't get anywhere else. But once a slut/once a hooker, always a hooker is going to remain true.

Those girls fall in love with some of their sponsors.

But they usually fall in love with men who are conventionally attractive, extremely Alpha anyway, so you are back to square one on the self-improvement Red Pill train.