Post: #1

This one is just plain bizarre.

Anyone here from Canberra? *Crickets chirp* I thought Australian National was the super-duper leftwing "rape culture" university and University of Canberra across town was the partying, lower-ranked, don't-give-a-shit university.

A bit like how USyd, Macquarie and UNSW are considered the over-political universities in Sydney, and Western Sydney University and Australian Catholic University are more like places you just attend (who would figure unis could be depoliticized?).

Quote:A former senior law lecturer at the University of Canberra accused of sex offences against five students would commit the crimes during one-on-one meetings about academic misconduct, the ACT Supreme Court has heard.

Arthur Marshall Hoyle has pleaded not guilty to eight charges related to alleged acts of indecency, and two charges of rape.

Hoyle was suspended from the university in April 2015 when the allegations were raised by the students in question.

At the opening of his trial today, prosecutor Trent Hickey told the jury Hoyle identified several international students as part of a staff inquiry into the use of an essay purchasing program.

Each of the alleged victims had been called into a meeting with Hoyle, where he allegedly told them he could make the problem go away.

Mr Hickey said the prosecution intended to show Hoyle had a tendency to seek sexual gratification during the meetings, and that he used threats about their essays during the incidents.

But Hoyle's lawyer Liesl Chapman said her client denied the accusations against him, saying the allegations emerged in the context of the students being investigated for academic misconduct.

She said he was looking into possible plagiarism, which was an issue in universities at the time, with a special program used to test essays to see if there was material copied from elsewhere.

"There was nothing sinister in arranging these meetings on the part of Mr Hoyle," she said.

"The credibility of these five students … is very much in issue."

The trial is expected to run for more than two weeks.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-22/uc...rs/8376820

Where are the allegations of what he actually did? All I see is him allegedly saying he could make the problems go away.

And even then, I doubt the stories.

What's the bet that the academic misconduct allegations were all dropped the moment they cried "sexual assault"?

A very, very dangerous precedent will be set (and that's saying a lot in these times) if he's convicted.

Accused of plagiarism by a male lecturer? Get an awful grade? Schedule a one-on-one session with him or allow him to do it for you, and then whip out the "sexual harassment" card. You don't even need to say the r-word. Just say "sexism!" or something like it.

Firstly, expect the usual paucity of any and all hard evidence.

Secondly, these girls had every reason to deflect the issue of plagiarism on their essays by making allegations. These international students pay full fees, no deferring through HECS. Law is a Band 3 fees course in the old parlance. Back around 2010-11, I think Band 3 fees courses cost about $8-$11,000 per year, upfront for internationals usually. Combined with the costs of them relocating to Australia, you get what I'm saying.

Finally, the guy's reputation is ruined anyway. He's been suspended for two years, is now 65, and whether he walks "free", he's certainly lost about $300-400,000 in lawyer fees, lost income, and whatever else.

Post: #2

I am not going to comment for fear of doxing myself, but I am watching this case with shocked eyes.

Post: #3

(03-22-2017 05:26 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  I am not going to comment for fear of doxing myself, but I am watching this case with shocked eyes.

Oh well, should we be shocked?

I thought I had dodged a bullet by not going to USyd. UNSW wasn't a great experience for me in terms of spending 3-4 years biting my tongue at the campus stupidity. Randwick/Kensington campus had its fair share of SJWs, but nothing like USyd and UMelb.

I used to remind myself it was worse over at USyd, but I was really just kidding myself.

What this shows is that there's really no difference. All campuses are fucked or potentially fucked.

Post: #4

What about the two charges of rape? Does that mean two of the students agreed to "make the problems go away"?
Wouldn't that prove them guilty of academic misconduct charges that were so serious they were willing to be fucked by a 65 year old lecturer to avoid being found out?

Post: #5

Should have had a second person in the room with him. Preferably a female.

If these charges were levelled at him in 2015 he had plenty of time to witness his fellow teacher get rolled over the fire when a group fo women come together to lash out in spite and revenge.

I guess he thought it wouldn't happen to him.

Post: #6

Time to buy shares in Body Cam companies.

Post: #7

^Yeah, how any man in a position like his wouldn't start every one-on-one conversation with a female student by saying "this conversation may be recorded to training and coaching purposes" is beyond me.

Hell, even the presumably male students are not safe to deal with any more. Any second now transgender freaks are going to start claiming rape as an attention garnering ploy.

If I were running any sort of firm I would have a question on the job applications that asked "have you ever been the victim of any form of sexual assault?" My explanation for such would be for the purposes of ensuring a safe workplace, but in reality all applications that answered in the positive would be quietly tossed in the bin.

Post: #8

There was this one highly-standing Black British Jamaican Faculty Member at Ryerson University in Canada who confided with one of my friends that he was at risk of being falsely accused of sexual impropriety by a female member of Ryerson University.

This Black Faculty Member confided that he was forced to inform Ryerson Campus Security that he might be falsely accused of sexual assault by a woman on the spot on campus, so if any scene occurred, they should not immediately call the police as an emergency situation (because it can cause him to be murdered of course).

Aside from male faculty members walking on eggshells at these feminist universities, one person told me that there is a certain Professor at York University in Canada who fucked at least sixty male members on campus. I was told that the male students purchase the woman gifts! This ain't no Sugar Mama...That's a hoe!

These bitches on campus be like Rihanna Work Song, but singing instead "(I was), rape, rape, rape, rape, rape".

Speaking of which, a construction worker told Janice Fiamengo on one of her videos that construction personnel on Ryerson campus are not allowed to stare at women for more than three seconds because they can be accused of "sexual harassment".

What the fuck going on in First World Western campuses these days? These thots be looking like hoes, but expect to be treated as the Virgin Mary, while same toots and feminazis will falsely report the nearest strip club/brothel of criminal activity.

It shows that empowered womminz want to force a monopoly on sexuality and speech in society. Those thots wouldn't be falsely complaining if they had to suck cock to earn an MD or Teacher degree to suck more underage cock in their future profession thoe.

Post: #9

Guilty or innocent, he probably thought he would be ok no matter what since he's 65 and in position of relative authority that his word would be good enough.

Should have just Skype'd em or recorded the audio on a tape recorder in a common area. The days of the closed door one-on-one where one person is being fired, reprimanded, etc., are over.

Post: #10

He was found guilty: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-05/un...ul/8417946

Quote:A former University of Canberra (UC) law lecturer has been found guilty of raping one student, and indecently assaulting others, under the pretence of plagiarism meetings.

Arthur Marshall Hoyle, 67, was found guilty by a Supreme Court jury of two counts of rape and six counts of indecent assault.

Hoyle was acquitted of two more charges, but was visibly distressed as the verdicts were delivered.

He held his head in his hands, slumped in his chair, and was also seen muttering to himself and shaking his head.

Justice Michael Elkaim told the court it was "difficult to imagine a more serious offence" besides murder.

Students came forward to claim Hoyle had arranged one on one meetings with them to discuss plagiarism concerns.

One student alleged Hoyle raped her, while another said he showed her pornographic images, including child pornography [Can't the police forensically test for this? The report says nothing on this matter and he was neither charged nor convicted of possessing child pornography. It just seems like an attempt to slander him further.], during a Powerpoint presentation about the alleged academic misconduct.

In all, five women came forward with complaints about Hoyle, which included claims he inappropriately touched and tried to kiss them.

Hoyle 'took advantage' of students

Each of the meetings were set up after UC staff noticed an essay question from the curriculum posted to an essay purchasing site. [Still no word on whether they actually plagiarized. This should be answered, as any plagiarism would indicate a very strong motive for them all falsely accusing him.]

One student claimed Hoyle had shown her pornography, before touching her inappropriately, and said that when he raised the concerns about plagiarism he said "we can make this go away".

Hoyle maintained the porn sites appeared when the woman's assignment was tested for plagiarism, and he had shown her the presentation he was preparing to show his boss in making the case about students cheating.

Prosecutor Trent Hickey told the court Hoyle had exploited the students' concerns about failing and compromising their studies, as well as their vulnerability because of poor English language skills.

But Hoyle's lawyer, Liesl Chapman, argued the Crown's case was extremely unrealistic.

She said he had sound academic reasons to meet each of the women, to discuss plagiarism.

Hoyle's bail was revoked and a sentence hearing has been set for next month.

Where's the talk in the report of a physical examination to try and substantiate rape?

Even better, from an earlier report:

Quote:The student said she had already failed the subject three times.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news...v8xgl.html

She was cross-examined (how they still allow this in über-leftwing Canberra is beyond me, but thankfully they do) and admitted her parents had spent squillions on her education. Presumably Asian student with bad English, huge pressure from mom and dad back home, and she had failed the subject three times. Then she's picked up for possible plagiarism.

Extremely sick case. Get yourself in shit, accuse the lecturer of rape.

No wonder Chris Pence dines alone!

Post: #11

I want to see what evidence they used to convict a man of rape and including the child pornography part.

Post: #12

He's a law lecturer from a decent university.

Do you really think he's dumb enough to show a stranger child porn?

Post: #13

(04-05-2017 02:31 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  He's a law lecturer from a decent university.

Do you really think he's dumb enough to show a stranger child porn?

No. Do I think he is dumb enough to think the justice system would go lenient on a man when a group of women collaborate against him?

Yes.

I want to see this evidence.