Post: #1

I finally got around to listening to this podcast between Roosh and Samseau. I went into it expecting "Ra Ra Trump" talk the entire time, but it was about 50% PUA & manosphere history lesson, then 50% how the events of the past 15 years led us to Donald Trump. Highly recommend.

I'm opening this thread in the GAME forum to discuss something Samseau touched on.

During the podcast, Samseau says "the kind of game that works is always changing." What works one year won't work the next, as evidenced by the coming and going of cocky/funny, natural game, etc. He later mentions that the fundamentals never change, and the Mystery Method framework from approach to sex will always remain.

What's your opinion? is the game always changing? How will it change in 2017?

My take is that yes, the fundamentals won't change, BUT we are always learning new types of game to throw at chicks.

Night game
Day game
Peacock game
Lifestyle game
Club game
Uber game
Instagram game
Social Circle game
Jerkboy game
Compliment Game
Airport game
Life of the party game
Gutter game
Cake game (shout out Mufasa)
Online game
Tinder game

All of these are TOOLS in our game toolbox, and the best game practicioner will have all of them in his pocket ready to be used. Tools will be added, BUT the path to get laid will always remain relatively unchanged.

From there...what's new? What new game are we going to add this year? On the horizon, I see -

-Instagram game getting bigger. Vinny outlined a great way to do so.

-"Handoff" game..girls are getting in relationships and want to share the love, so they're handing off their friends more often. "Omg you'd love my friend Sally..."

-Gym game will become more important as more girls are joining the fitness trend

-Lifestyle game will see an increase as clubs decline...but girls still want to go out to art shows and drink wine

What about you guys...what new game are we going to add this year? What game will become more effective?

Post: #2

One thing mentioned in the podcast is that on the older forums, guys would start threads with their new ideas. "Hey guys, I'm going to see what happens if I go to the club in a pink fedora..." they would do the experiment and report their results.

Other guys would do the same thing, so a real time study would be performed.

I wish people would do that here. I would definitely join.

Post: #3

^^ Yeah that was cool back in the days. Posters contributed something on their own and reported results. It is a lost art now. Every body asks asks asks before they start anything instead of trying to deal with their shit themselves and ask questions about shit they get stuck with along the way.

Post: #4

Good post Redbeard.

The podcast you embedded from Roosh and Samseau, 'How The Manosphere Crushed Feminism', comes with the highest recommendation from me. It offers a coherent, compelling outline of the history and significance of the pickup community and its pathways to the modern manosphere. With this in mind, I view this analysis as a must-listen for both seduction and manosphere aficionados.



I endorse your (and XXL's) follow-up comment in relation to the decline in men posting reports after approaching women vs theorizing beforehand. I wrote about related themes in 'How did you end up in Roosh V Forum?' -- skip to "stage 2" of my post for a short look into the niche forums of the past, and then to "stage 5" for a few explanations of the relative increase of speculating over experimenting.

Roosh made a thought-provoking and at times hilarious podcast on the topic of how the game is changing, called 'The Death Of Night Game'. The direct links don't seem to show up in that thread so I'm re-posting below.



^ Click the small button next to "share" for the direct download. I prefer downloading in these cases so I can listen and make the most of my time when commuting, shopping or cooking. I've also included the youtube version below.

Post: #5

If there is something I am experiencing right now how Instagram and Snapchat became extension to the game. I get in contact with girls by snapchat, flirt by snapchat and eventually get to meetings through snapchat and it is the same case with Instagram. I don't like it, but its become a thing. I am willing to look more into a way how we can use snapchat in our favor, hope somebody else is open to discuss it too. Cheers!

Post: #6

I am an old school gamer myself (I was gaming before the mystery method) and game has changed drastically. The fundamentals have definitely stayed the same but the methods are insane now to meet women.

I think its harder now than it used to be because of social media. Years ago all you had to do was master day or nightclub game and bam you had your solid source of lizards. I am still eating off nightclub game even though Roosh says its going down but again I am a pro at it.

Nowadays with the advent of Tinder, Snapchat and Instagram you gotta be a man of many talents and the focus has really turned to looks. If your looks game isn't on point you are gonna struggle on any online platform. Tough for us guys who aren't the most photogenic.

Post: #7

Night game will always be there for those who are good and willing to take time to get good.

Post: #8

@ Kiridiesel - I think social media helps my game tbh but that's just me. I still have the most fun with night game however, but I find it to have the sluttiest/worst type of girls to actually talk too (not saying that's a bad thing) On a side note I disagree with you about the being photogenic part. You just gotta have 1-2 solid pictures. I'm not the most attractive by any means (I'm short) but I have good asthetics/muscular. Get a good picture of yourself in an exotic interesting place showing off your best features and BAM, hella matches.

Post: #9

(03-05-2017 06:37 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Nowadays with the advent of Tinder, Snapchat and Instagram you gotta be a man of many talents and the focus has really turned to looks. If your looks game isn't on point you are gonna struggle on any online platform. Tough for us guys who aren't the most photogenic.

Absolutely agree. I have a few good pictures, but overall I don't think I'm very photogenic. I refuse to take selfies. However I know once I can get a meet set up, I'll be able to unleash my powers through strong frame, constant eye contact and just general overall presence. I am a good looking guy, but it doesn't really show through pictures if I have a scowl on my face. (I blame my parents and all the family photos I was forced to do younger. SMILE!)

Social media has really changed the dynamics.

Post: #10

(03-06-2017 10:01 AM)graffix13 Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 06:37 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Nowadays with the advent of Tinder, Snapchat and Instagram you gotta be a man of many talents and the focus has really turned to looks. If your looks game isn't on point you are gonna struggle on any online platform. Tough for us guys who aren't the most photogenic.

Absolutely agree. I have a few good pictures, but overall I don't think I'm very photogenic. I refuse to take selfies. However I know once I can get a meet set up, I'll be able to unleash my powers through strong frame, constant eye contact and just general overall presence. I am a good looking guy, but it doesn't really show through pictures if I have a scowl on my face. (I blame my parents and all the family photos I was forced to do younger. SMILE!)

Social media has really changed the dynamics.

Yep my ability to pull Online Vs Nightgame is black and white/night and day. I am trying to find a way to grab better pictures and I noticed taking pictures from a little farther away helps me greatly.

Post: #11

Nowadays I see a lot of girls who say they are "polygamous" which is just a fancy way of saying they like sleeping around, having fuck buddies, and not committing to any one guy.

That said, I honestly think we may see a shift in women actually wanting relationships again. There is some statistic floating around that in general young women of today are not as promiscuous as they were years ago, and as was stated: lifestyle and healthy living are becoming awfully trendy.

I don't think beta-game will come back in style as women are certainly not going to become less independent any time soon, but I think a lot of younger women are wising up to the Feminist-lie and are more self-aware and appreciative of masculinity and the value of having a man in their life.

Of course this is purely speculation and only time will tell.

Post: #12

I was thinking about the movie Swingers the other day and it definitely has some outdated tactics that worked back in the day but are no longer viable nowadays.

One theme throughout the movie is how long to wait to call a girl after you get her phone number. 3-6 days was typically best time to call a girl, but this movie was out before everyone had cell phones and social media. I think if you waited that long now to call a girl she will have forgotten who you are by then (especially if it's longer than 5 days). Girls that are 8's and 9's have guys constantly hitting them up and if they ever feel they aren't getting enough attention, they can post a few pics on FB, IG, etc. The attention you gave her 5 days ago and any mystery you had is quickly diminished and forgotten. I guess you COULD wait to call and talk to her on the phone after <5 days, but you should keep yourself fresh on her mind with texts before calling.

Post: #13

(03-05-2017 11:37 AM)OCZ Wrote:  If there is something I am experiencing right now how Instagram and Snapchat became extension to the game. I get in contact with girls by snapchat, flirt by snapchat and eventually get to meetings through snapchat and it is the same case with Instagram. I don't like it, but its become a thing. I am willing to look more into a way how we can use snapchat in our favor, hope somebody else is open to discuss it too. Cheers!

This is the trend, unfortunately. There are many young, hot girls that only message people through Snapchat, as if texting isn't even a thing anymore. Being an effective snapchat user is going to be a necessary skill if you like younger girls, it's just reality.

Post: #14

Cake game till I die!!

(03-04-2017 11:46 PM)redbeard Wrote:  One thing mentioned in the podcast is that on the older forums, guys would start threads with their new ideas. "Hey guys, I'm going to see what happens if I go to the club in a pink fedora..." they would do the experiment and report their results.

Other guys would do the same thing, so a real time study would be performed.

I wish people would do that here. I would definitely join.

Will do Im working on a "no-nos of game" game right now. still in the trenches

Post: #15

I met a club slut who gets over 100 texts a night from simps. Simping and beta orbiters are in the stratosphere.

Post: #16

(03-04-2017 11:23 PM)redbeard Wrote:  -"Handoff" game..girls are getting in relationships and want to share the love, so they're handing off their friends more often. "Omg you'd love my friend Sally..."

2018 boys, saddle up, new year, new game.

Two Legs game - With the world getting so fat and bloated off Pepsi and burgers and #MeToo you'll need the standards of someone who has no standards to have a regular sex life. My standards are so low my go to game book is Moby Dick.

Extreme Social Circle game - Everyone belongs to everyone and everyone is on birth control (the men too!) (Brave New World). So get your dick wet in a social circle of girls and instil jealousy, "You're sleeping with all of my friends!" to get the girl you want. A dragon slayer among men, you gotta fuck 'em all if you want to get the princess.

Post: #17

The funny thing is that in the technological age, it is totally "fake it til you make it" in that no one trusts families and communities (read: hot young corrupted girls) given the modern treatment of women (let them do pretty much anything), so they get social proof from things like IG. Which of course, if you know what you are doing, can be a sham of autolikes and bots, followers and presumed or marginal "fame."

Unbelievable, sorta sickening, but if you've mastered it and aren't too shallow, sorta funny that bitches indeed fall for this shit, or ... just don't think about it, like so many other things in their lives.

Post: #18

(03-13-2017 11:22 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  Cake game till I die!!

(03-04-2017 11:46 PM)redbeard Wrote:  One thing mentioned in the podcast is that on the older forums, guys would start threads with their new ideas. "Hey guys, I'm going to see what happens if I go to the club in a pink fedora..." they would do the experiment and report their results.

Other guys would do the same thing, so a real time study would be performed.

I wish people would do that here. I would definitely join.

Will do Im working on a "no-nos of game" game right now. still in the trenches

Guess I should post my findings lol

Post: #19

In my opinion day game is going to be the new way to go. But you’ll have to be a very interesting man, with a beautiful opener/pick up line (pick up lines work pretty well now)

Most of my friends who get girls and I either meet them in a mutual place (at school with a bunch of friends/or work place etc) and it seems to be a common theme with people I just share a conversation with.

For the last 4 years, pretty much ever girl I’ve ever tried to fuck (around 20 I know low numbers) told me they’ve never been cold approached. They go on to tell me they desire to be charmed out their pants by a stranger.

Usually when I do walk up to a girl and give her a compliment or say something funny she blushes. Yesterday I did my first real approach on a gorgeous redhead. To my shock she turned red all over and I could tell I really made her night

Basedzues and a lot of YouTube “PUAs” are resorting to ONLY night game and online game.

Post: #20

(03-13-2017 11:04 PM)Jestx Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 11:37 AM)OCZ Wrote:  If there is something I am experiencing right now how Instagram and Snapchat became extension to the game. I get in contact with girls by snapchat, flirt by snapchat and eventually get to meetings through snapchat and it is the same case with Instagram. I don't like it, but its become a thing. I am willing to look more into a way how we can use snapchat in our favor, hope somebody else is open to discuss it too. Cheers!

This is the trend, unfortunately. There are many young, hot girls that only message people through Snapchat, as if texting isn't even a thing anymore. Being an effective snapchat user is going to be a necessary skill if you like younger girls, it's just reality.

Instagram/snapchat is definitely the way to get better looking girls. A lot of hot girls wont be on dating sites like tinder because they don't need it but they'll all be on instagram. And less guys will hit them up on instagram compared to regular dating sites so it's better roi to.

Post: #21

(05-17-2018 08:25 AM)pargan Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:04 PM)Jestx Wrote:  

(03-05-2017 11:37 AM)OCZ Wrote:  If there is something I am experiencing right now how Instagram and Snapchat became extension to the game. I get in contact with girls by snapchat, flirt by snapchat and eventually get to meetings through snapchat and it is the same case with Instagram. I don't like it, but its become a thing. I am willing to look more into a way how we can use snapchat in our favor, hope somebody else is open to discuss it too. Cheers!

This is the trend, unfortunately. There are many young, hot girls that only message people through Snapchat, as if texting isn't even a thing anymore. Being an effective snapchat user is going to be a necessary skill if you like younger girls, it's just reality.

Instagram/snapchat is definitely the way to get better looking girls. A lot of hot girls wont be on dating sites like tinder because they don't need it but they'll all be on instagram. And less guys will hit them up on instagram compared to regular dating sites so it's better roi to.

Honestly I wouldn't say girls will get hit one less on instagram than tinder. I've seen the inbox messages of some chicks with a few having no more than a thousand followers. I was impressed with the amount of message requests they receive everyday. It is astonishing. All they need to do is be fairly cute and thirsty guys will come left and right at least here in portugal

Post: #22

I think it has less to do with being thirsty and more to do with approach anxiety. My last gf was easily a 7.5 without make up, Yet she only gets approached by older guys 30-70....so these guys don’t know how to get women in daily life.

Post: #23

The whole point is guys in their 30s-40s trying to meet younger women. If anyone is the creeper, it is some guy that hates on another guy for liking younger women.

Post: #24

Lots of games lists by OP lol. I agree with most of the posts here, younger girls are more open to older guys, even in the US where it used to be a big problem if you have a huge age difference. Maybe guys like Hugh Herfer makes it seems OK for the super old to be with young women.

I also think that nightgame is slowly dying -not what it used to be and onlinegame is passing it's prime.

Post: #25

Game is getting harder as girls have access to an enlarged pool of dudes who got it together.

Double-edged sword = guys have better game now due to Internet knowledge sharing, but girls also now have access to a wide pool of competitive dudes.

To get the top of the top girls, you need to stand out. Without those features being looks, money, or status that just leaves game.

Your game must be on point to have a chance with these girls. That means approaching whenever you spot these types of girls + having rock solid game to carry you through.

If you are one of the guys who happen to have some natural affinity or talent for game, you'll be fine. But if you're a newbie who has to start from scratch, every step of the way will be painfully learned. And I mean every step.

Game is as unforgiving as it gets & it takes an incredible amount of patience & discipline for a newbie with no intuitive sense of interacting with girls to level up.

Natural guys or guys with at least some kind of early on experience with girls will hardly if ever be able to understand the amount of mental pain it takes for a hard newbie to level up.