Post: #276

(05-29-2017 10:38 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  We'll toast with camel urine on the rocks.

Shaken - not stirred.

Post: #277

(05-29-2017 01:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Look - I know that most Muslims in the US would want to live in peace. But that is not the question here. The question here is whether the ideology of Islam wants to live in submission and peace in the US.

Islam wants to dominate and many Muslims will follow the commands of the religion. They will kill and slaughter this year and in the year 10489 unless someone bans that evil cult.

Even Trump is trying to get the cooperation of the Muslim states to work against terrorism. The focus on ideology is a red herring that wastes resources and leads to attacking innocent people instead of the bad guys.

Post: #278

(05-29-2017 12:35 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Look - I know that most Muslims in the US would want to live in peace. But that is not the question here. The question here is whether the ideology of Islam wants to live in submission and peace in the US.

Islam wants to dominate and many Muslims will follow the commands of the religion. They will kill and slaughter this year and in the year 10489 unless someone bans that evil cult.

Even Trump is trying to get the cooperation of the Muslim states to work against terrorism. The focus on ideology is a red hearing that wastes resources and leads to attacking innocent people instead of the bad guys.

No - it's not. Trump has people in his administration who are repeating the Religion of Peace bullshit. Your Taqiyya arguments now about showing that you are Red Pill, anti-feminism and now supposedly pro-Trump do not impress me.

The religion is the enemy. Terrorism will continue until we can state it exactly that way. Islam is the source of the backwardness and the terrorism (aside from the false flags of the globalists which have been around for decades now).

And cooperating with Saudi Arabia or Abu Dhabi is like working with Hitler to fight against Nazism.

Post: #279

(05-29-2017 12:47 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 12:35 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 01:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Look - I know that most Muslims in the US would want to live in peace. But that is not the question here. The question here is whether the ideology of Islam wants to live in submission and peace in the US.

Islam wants to dominate and many Muslims will follow the commands of the religion. They will kill and slaughter this year and in the year 10489 unless someone bans that evil cult.

Even Trump is trying to get the cooperation of the Muslim states to work against terrorism. The focus on ideology is a red hearing that wastes resources and leads to attacking innocent people instead of the bad guys.

No - it's not. Trump has people in his administration who are repeating the Religion of Peace bullshit. Your Taqiyya arguments now about showing that you are Red Pill, anti-feminism and now supposedly pro-Trump do not impress me.

The religion is the enemy. Terrorism will continue until we can state it exactly that way. Islam is the source of the backwardness and the terrorism (aside from the false flags of the globalists which have been around for decades now).

And cooperating with Saudi Arabia or Abu Dhabi is like working with Hitler to fight against Nazism.

That is where we disagree. The religion is not the enemy. This diverts attention from the real problem. How can you solve the problem when you are on a wild goose chase instead of chasing the criminals? Indonesia does not threaten us. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world.

Post: #280

The Indonesian shitheads are constantly executing dissenters and they have a terrorism problem. When you go there you can be blown to bits just as well.

Also for example recently they just arrested an adult Saudi woman on her way to Australia. Kept her there on the wishes of her family who beat her while she was live-streaming there. They probably executed her already as she attempted to free herself from your death cult. As an apostate she faces death, but they can legally keep her in chains there so not much of a need to honor-kill her.

Indonesia has to constantly fight against Islam. Would be better to convert the population to Buddhism and Christianity and be done with the bullshit.

Spare me your idiotic ramblings. Only one thing will work against Islam - total annihilation of the religion, absolute banning of it, closing of all mosques, speaking the truth about Mohammed, closing of all Islamic schools and wiping the earth clear from this pile of crap of an ideology. Anything else is like dealing with the flies who keep on coming out of the same pile of shit - Islam.

Remove the shit and the flies stop coming out.

Post: #281

(05-29-2017 01:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The Indonesian shitheads are constantly executing dissenters and they have a terrorism problem. When you go there you can be blown to bits just as well.

Also for example recently they just arrested an adult Saudi woman on her way to Australia. Kept her there on the wishes of her family who beat her while she was life-streaming there. They probably executed her already as she attempted to free herself from your death cult.

Indonesia has to constantly fight against Islam. Would be better to convert the population to Buddhism and Christianity and be done with the bullshit.

Spare me your idiotic ramblings. Only one thing will work against Islam - total annihilation of the religion, absolute banning of it, closing of all mosques, speaking the truth about Mohammed, closing of all Islamic schools and wiping the earth clear from this pile of crap of an ideology. Anything else is like dealing with the flies who keep on coming out of the same pile of shit - Islam.

Remove the shit and the flies stop coming out.

Going at war with over a billion people only works on the Internet. We live in the real world. Most Muslims are peaceful. There are criminals in every society. Lets focus on the criminals. That's what you do in the real world.

Post: #282

Islam has been at war with everyone else since 1400 years. It is time we recognize that and adjust our attitude accordingly. Sooner or later humanity has to deal with Islam and wipe it out just like the Cult of Baal or the idiotic religion of the Aztecs. Went on way too far because of apologists like you.

Also there are ways of doing it without inciting open warfare and outright banning. We can phase it out slowly in the West, start teaching the truth, put pressure back against the creeping sharia implemented (no quarters given at all), no more Muslim immigration. Instant deportation when becoming criminal, instant deportation when being an ISIS lover - instant Guantanomo bay for citizens who support ISIS, but have not done anything yet. Stripping of citizenship for anyone who joins ISIS etc. The globalists could exert all kinds of pressure - they fill their media and academia with lies, they could tell the truth and blast that out 24/7 with David wood and Dr. Robert Spencer and scores of Ex-Muslims as leading sources of enlightenment. Sure - some would see it as an insult and kill, but there would become ever less of them fast. And those extremists always kill, they would kill even when you are super-nice to them.

After Islam is contained and in full recession in the West one can target the Muslim countries and support only secular strongmen there who enact the same policies. Maybe over time you can push the cult to become more centered around Rumi and Islam will exalt Rumi as their main source, ditch the Quran and take the verses of Rumi as a gospel. Then it would be a true religion of Peace because Rumi was like St. Francis of Assissi or Buddha.

Post: #283

Post: #284

(05-29-2017 01:22 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Islam has been at war with everyone else since 1400 years. It is time we recognize that and adjust our attitude accordingly. Sooner or later humanity has to deal with Islam and wipe it out just like the Cult of Baal or the idiotic religion of the Aztecs. Went on way too far because of apologists like you.

Also there are ways of doing it without inciting open warfare and outright banning. We can phase it out slowly in the West, start teaching the truth, put pressure back against the creeping sharia implemented (no quarters given at all), no more Muslim immigration. Instant deportation when becoming criminal, instant deportation when being an ISIS lover - instant Guantanomo bay for citizens who support ISIS, but have not done anything yet. Stripping of citizenship for anyone who joins ISIS etc. The globalists could exert all kinds of pressure - they fill their media and academia with lies, they could tell the truth and blast that out 24/7 with David wood and Dr. Robert Spencer and scores of Ex-Muslims as leading sources of enlightenment. Sure - some would see it as an insult and kill, but there would become ever less of them fast. And those extremists always kill, they would kill even when you are super-nice to them.

After Islam is contained and in full recession in the West one can target the Muslim countries and support only secular strongmen there who enact the same policies. Maybe over time you can push the cult to become more centered around Rumi and Islam will exalt Rumi as their main source, ditch the Quran and take the verses of Rumi as a gospel. Then it would be a true religion of Peace because Rumi was like St. Francis of Assissi or Buddha.

It works great on the Internet. You forgot about freedom of religion. Trump couldn't even get a reasonable immigration order passed. Also, all of a sudden you have forgotten about the globalist elites who screw us all. All your resources are now focused on the scary Indonesians.

Post: #285

I am not focusing any resources - that is basic venting and maybe a few minds influenced and even that is not really my goal.

I know more about the globalists than likely you having read their real stuff - Carroll Quigley, Antony Sutton, HG Wells, Reece commission on Foundations.

And let me tell you this - they have the worst of intentions for the Muslims. They lie about Islam and about this ideology, because they want them to come to the WEst and they want them to go apeshit like they know they will do. This only makes sense because they want a war or an Orwellian super-state. In the end I doubt that they will leave the Saudis in peace. They will bomb the shit out of anyone.

And if you don't combat the ideology then sooner or later the likeable people like these - (here all Ex-Muslims) will be nuked, bombed or drafted to fight in a losing battle against the entire remaining West, China and India. That is a fight they cannot win.

And then after hundreds of millions or billions of Muslims are dead, then they will enact the very same thing that I am saying to do now.









Your way of appeasement, promotion of Islam and an ever greater watchlist of extremists for surveillance is not only irrational but impossible to do. It will end in the exact same thing that the Globalists want. You are essentially saying the very same thing that Huffpo, Antifa and the radical feminists say on that topic of Islam. So congratulations - you are dooming countless people to death and destruction, while I would only focus on the ideology.

My strategy leads to this and a few more pissed-off hardliners:


Your strategy will only lead to this, because that is what the globalists want:

Post: #286

We don't need doom and destruction. We need to destroy the criminals (i.e., terrorists). Most Muslims are not a problem. Thinking that the government can determine what is a good religion is a foolish task. That's why we have freedom of religion. We payed a lot to learn that lesson.

Post: #287

Sherman has the weathered world view of a 16 year old girl.

Imam Mohammed bin Mohammed 1 preaches hate and calls for the death of the infidel. This is covered under freedom of speech and freedom of religion. After all, it's all contained in the Koran.

Follower Mohammed bin Mohammed 2 buys an AR15, some body armour and a dozen mags. This is covered under the right to bear arms.

By Sherman's plan the police are tasked with swooping in between the time Mohammed bin Mohammed 2 "commits assault by brandishing" and the second after that when bodies start hitting the floor.

What's most important is that the rights of Mohammed bin Mohammed and Mohammed bin Mohammed are not infringed upon in any way whatsoever, and all Mexicans like Sherman will contend that the rights of muslim Americans must be protected to the last drop of American kaffir blood.

Hey, Sherman. You still haven't answered my question. Where are all the islamic refugees in Mexico?

Post: #288

Muslim apologists hiding behind freedom of religion that Islam itself doesn't grant to others and islamic countries slowly purge all religious minorities to extinction. Only muslims can comfortably uphold this hypocrisy.

Post: #289

Valid points by many on here. I lived in a Muslim country and have gotten to know many. They are a mixed bag like the rest of the world. Good and bad alike.

The problem isn't the vast majority, it is minority who use religious doctrine and text to make mischief, reach political goals or for personal reasons. What the apologists don't realize is that if they look at the history of this religion is that it started as a minority and when it became the majority it became totalitarian. How so? Look at the religious rights of non Muslims in Muslim majority countries. Some are better and others are worse. Sharia by default makes the unbeliever 2nd class. Who the hell wants to give up and be relegated to 2nd class?

Take egypt or Indonesia for example. Apologists if you do read will find out that these were 2 examples of many where islam grew from a minority to the religion of the majority. Go ask ex Muslims or non Muslims living there if it is safe for them. Go ask them if they can run for political office without any discrimination by the public or system if a non Muslim can hold important positions. Now many can see that this will be the future if it continues.

I can go on and on. Preaching to the choir for the majority. Like every religion I believe that it should be orivate and practiced in the home for the most part. Secularism , openness and freedom of everybody is above any religious doctrine.

Post: #290

Don't even get me started on Indonesia.

The only reason they keep their geographical dick in their pants is because Australia pays them a shit-ton of money and we have a defense treaty with the US, and even then we had to butcher a bunch of them in Timor to teach them not to fuck with us.

A guy I knew in the ADF went to do joint training exercises with them. Apparently the ranking Indonesian officer invited him to have a drink in his quarters and on the wall was a map of the broader region with Australia labelled as "Southern Indonesia".

If the fuckers thought they stood a fraction of a chance they'd invade us in a second.

Post: #291

(05-29-2017 08:15 PM)tomtud Wrote:  Take egypt or Indonesia for example. Apologists if you do read will find out that these were 2 examples of many where islam grew from a minority to the religion of the majority. Go ask ex Muslims or non Muslims living there if it is safe for them. Go ask them if they can run for political office without any discrimination by the public or system if a non Muslim can hold important positions. Now many can see that this will be the future if it continues.

Agreed.

A Christian was running for governor in the most secular city in Indonesia, and still he got hit with hundreds of thousands of Muslim protestors over "blasphemy"

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21712...tian-mayor

Quote:WHEN the citizens of Jakarta, Indonesia’s capital, voted for Basuki Tjahaja Purnama as their vice-governor in 2012, it seemed a hopeful moment. He and his popular boss, Joko Widodo, had promised a bold programme of urban renewal to save the creaky, sinking and car-clogged metropolis. What’s more, the world’s largest Muslim-majority democracy seemed to enhance its reputation for tolerance. Mr Basuki,known as Ahok, is ethnic Chinese and a Christian: rarely before had an Indonesian from a minority community and religion risen so high.

Suddenly, Indonesia’s reputation for tolerance is in question. After Mr Joko, or Jokowi, ran for president and won by a landslide two years ago, Ahok assumed the Jakarta governorship. Just three months ago, Ahok still looked to be a shoo-in for the gubernatorial race next February. Since then, however, huge rallies organised by hardline Islamist groups have brought hundreds of thousands of anti-Ahok protesters to central Jakarta. Because of those protests, he himself is in court on blasphemy charges.

Ahok is arrogant, impatient and coarse—offending courteous Javanese manners. But he is effective: Jakartans credit him with improving congestion, flood control and health care. In September he told some fishermen that he understood why some would not vote for him, because they were deceived by those claiming that the Koran forbids Muslims to be governed by a kafir. Islamists promptly accused Ahok of insulting the Koran. The rallies they organised around the National Monument were huge. One on November 4th, with about 200,000 protesters, turned violent. The most recent, a rally and mass prayer meeting on December 2nd, was twice as big, but ended peacefully after Jokowi came to address it. By then it was clear that the protesters had got their way and that Ahok would be prosecuted and probably jailed.
It is all regrettable. Ahok was extremely tactless. But if he is guilty of a crime, it is hard to see who the victim is. Jokowi was reluctant to see his former sidekick prosecuted, but ultimately seems to have relented. The police were sharply divided, too, over whether to prosecute. The country’s biggest mainstream Muslim organisation, Nahdlatul Ulama, made itself scarce. The bookish leader of the next biggest complained that it was easier to get people to go to a demonstration than to a library.

This left the hardliners to make the running, led by the thuggish, hypocritical Islamic Defenders’ Front (FPI) (who do not hassle police-run brothels). Through social media, they stirred up vitriol aimed at ethnic Chinese. The FPI’s footsoldiers have fanned out into Jakarta’s kampung (village-like settlements). One of the places to which they took money and aid is Pasar Ikan, a flood-prone area near the old port that Ahok cleared of tenants in April with little warning or compensation. Some of the families have since returned to adjacent land and, with FPI help, rebuilt their mosque. Only its name has changed: from al-Ikhlas—“sincerity”—to al-Jihad.
None of this means that Indonesia is lurching in a violently Islamist direction. For instance, although the jihadists of Islamic State have claimed a handful of adherents among young Indonesians, the organisation and its methods are condemned even by FPI hardliners. Yes, the aims of those hardliners include changing the constitution to force Muslims to follow Islamic law and curbing minorities’ rights. But little suggests that most recent protesters cared about such things. Many attended the gathering on December 2nd out of pride at taking part in such a vast communal prayer meeting. And in Pasar Ikan residents who attended the protests claim that their problem with Ahok is certainly not that he is ethnic Chinese; nor, really, because of his perceived blasphemy; but simply because of his callous treatment of them. If the FPI hoped for fertile ground, they will have to look elsewhere.

Yet, for two reasons, the implications of the Ahok saga will be long-lasting. First, however much they deny it, Ahok’s rivals in the governor’s race gain from his travails. And that race is fast becoming a proxy for the next presidential one, in 2019. At the moment Jokowi’s popularity is sky-high. The only way for presidential hopefuls to dent him is to link him to his former vice-governor. As it is, the governor’s race was transformed in September when Agus Harimurti Yudhoyono resigned his army commission to run for the job. The telegenic, Harvard-educated 38-year-old is the elder son of the previous president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. His family has national aspirations for him.

Who are the real fifth columnists?

Second, and of much more concern than the likelihood of politicians using Ahok’s predicament for political gain, are machinations by army generals. The FPI itself is a creation of the security forces, after the dictatorship of the late Suharto, to counter leftist students. Today, it remains useful for the army to back the FPI as a way of reasserting the domestic influence it lost after democratisation in the late 1990s. Many generals, like the FPI, see enemies everywhere, including ethnic Chinese Indonesians who control successful businesses, some of them close to Ahok. Meanwhile, the ambitious if somewhat eccentric army chief, Gatot Nurmantyo, sees China as a hostile power waging a “proxy war” aimed at corrupting Indonesia’s youth. He also accuses China of seizing the economy’s commanding heights (Jokowi has encouraged a lot of mainland Chinese investment in infrastructure).

In this context, the growing insinuation that Ahok is in some sense a Chinese fifth columnist is disturbing. Parts of the army were behind bloody riots aimed at ethnic-Chinese Indonesians in 1998, and the army was central to the vast anti-Chinese pogroms of 1965. At best, Ahok’s persecution represents a blow to the rights of all Indonesian minorities—Ahmadiyah, Christians and indeed gay people. At worst, the risk of communal bloodshed like that of two decades ago is closer. Indonesians should jealously guard their hard-earned reputation for tolerance.

Post: #292

Really managed to trigger some folks this time... over 250k impressions but it's the replies and quoted threads that are blowing my notifications up and I can only multitask and troll for so long.

Post: #293

(05-29-2017 05:15 PM)Sherman Wrote:  We don't need doom and destruction. We need to destroy the criminals (i.e., terrorists). Most Muslims are not a problem. Thinking that the government can determine what is a good religion is a foolish task. That's why we have freedom of religion. We payed a lot to learn that lesson.

Okay, Sherman, are you saying that if NAMBLA suddenly declares itself the Church Of Man-Boy Love openly practicing paedophilia, there should not be one effort at all to eradicate such a church, under the presumption of freedom of religion?

And while you're thinking about that, since we're talking about what we "paid", do you know what the price of freedom is?

I'll give you a hint, Thomas Jefferson did the calculation.

Meanwhile, you're essentially saying that the "war on terrorism" still needs to be fought. To that, here's the answer:

Quote:“Let’s imagine,” said the Time Traveler, “that on December eighth, Nineteen forty-one, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt spoke before a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war on aviation.”

“That’s absurd,” I said.

“Is it?” asked the Time Traveler. “The American battleships, cruisers, harbor installations, Army barracks, and airfields at Pearl Harbor and elsewhere in Hawaii were all struck by Japanese aircraft. Imagine if the next day Roosevelt had declared war on aviation . . . threatening to wipe it out wherever we found it. Committing all the resources of the United States of America to defeating aviation, so help us God.”

“That’s just stupid,” I said. If I’d ever been afraid of this Time Traveler, I wasn’t now. He was obviously a mental defective.“The planes, the Japanese planes,” I said, “were just a method of attack . . . a means . . . it wasn’t aviation that attacked us at Pearl Harbor, but the Empire of Japan. We declared war on Japan and a few days later its ally, Germany, lived up to its treaty with the Japanese and declared war on us. If we’d declared war on aviation, on goddamned airplanes rather than the empire and ideology that launched them, we’d never have . . .”

I stopped. What had he called it? Category Error. Making the problem unsolvable through your inability – or fear – of defining it correctly.

http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm

Understand: Islam is an intolerant religion. You cannot defeat intolerance with tolerance, read some Nassim Taleb on the subject.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #294

(05-29-2017 10:44 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Really managed to trigger some folks this time... over 250k impressions but it's the replies and quoted threads that are blowing my notifications up and I can only multitask and troll for so long.

*Tasteless shit*
*Full of feces*
*my vibrant food*
*White food*
*White people have no culture*

How can you deal with such stupidity?

Post: #295

(05-29-2017 11:24 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Meanwhile, you're essentially saying that the "war on terrorism" still needs to be fought. To that, here's the answer:

Quote:“Let’s imagine,” said the Time Traveler, “that on December eighth, Nineteen forty-one, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt spoke before a joint session of Congress and asked them to declare war on aviation.”

“That’s absurd,” I said.

“Is it?” asked the Time Traveler. “The American battleships, cruisers, harbor installations, Army barracks, and airfields at Pearl Harbor and elsewhere in Hawaii were all struck by Japanese aircraft. Imagine if the next day Roosevelt had declared war on aviation . . . threatening to wipe it out wherever we found it. Committing all the resources of the United States of America to defeating aviation, so help us God.”

“That’s just stupid,” I said. If I’d ever been afraid of this Time Traveler, I wasn’t now. He was obviously a mental defective.“The planes, the Japanese planes,” I said, “were just a method of attack . . . a means . . . it wasn’t aviation that attacked us at Pearl Harbor, but the Empire of Japan. We declared war on Japan and a few days later its ally, Germany, lived up to its treaty with the Japanese and declared war on us. If we’d declared war on aviation, on goddamned airplanes rather than the empire and ideology that launched them, we’d never have . . .”

I stopped. What had he called it? Category Error. Making the problem unsolvable through your inability – or fear – of defining it correctly.

http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm

Understand: Islam is an intolerant religion. You cannot defeat intolerance with tolerance, read some Nassim Taleb on the subject.

That's an excellent analogy - war against terror is like WWII war against aviation.

The enemy of the US were Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. It was not the Japanese and Germans who turned out to be good allies soon after defeating their systems.

The enemy of the West now is ISLAM. The Muslims are not our enemies - the people who let go of that ideology will become good allies.

Also hiding behind freedom of religion while secretly wanting to eradicate all religions and giving no freedom as soon as they are in the majority - that is one of the hallmarks of the madness and hypocrisy of Islam.

At least some Muslims are honest:

Post: #296

(05-29-2017 10:44 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Really managed to trigger some folks this time... over 250k impressions but it's the replies and quoted threads that are blowing my notifications up and I can only multitask and troll for so long.

"REEEEE! WE'RE NOT OFFENDED! LOOK AT THESE PICTURES OF PAKISTANI FOOD!! WHITE PEOPLE HAVE NO CULTURE!!!!!!111~~~"

And of course the thread in response to your post is massive. Well done man.

Post: #297

(05-29-2017 05:15 PM)Sherman Wrote:  We don't need doom and destruction. We need to destroy the criminals (i.e., terrorists). Most Muslims are not a problem. Thinking that the government can determine what is a good religion is a foolish task. That's why we have freedom of religion. We payed a lot to learn that lesson.

Islam is not just a religion. Islamic Civilization as it exists today is not compatible with Western Civilization. Islamic Civilization seeks to dominate and obliterate Western Civilization.

Pro-Muslim groups like CAIR deliberately engage in dishonest propaganda. They continue to promote the narrative of the poor oppressed Muslim victims, despite having no reasonable argument to present.

Look at how hard people had to work to debunk the Clock Boy hoax, and many shitlibs STILL don't believe the truth. Freedom of Speech (ie freedom to criticize) is more important than religious freedom.

Quote:Most Muslims are not a problem.

Most Muslims would probably be OK with blasphemy laws. You ready for the 1st amendment to be repealed so that we can outlaw blasphemy?

Post: #298

(05-30-2017 02:26 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  *Tasteless shit*
*Full of feces*
*my vibrant food*
*White food*
*White people have no culture*

How can you deal with such stupidity?

There used to be a way which unfortunately seems to have been forgotten. In essence, there are large groups of people in the world with which we will never ever see eye to eye. It has always been like that and will continue until the demise of humanity. Attempting to reason with these groups is a complete waste of time. Your energy is much better spent on pursuing strategies that will lead to the suppression of their respective ideology. In other words - it's either our way or their way. You can choose to bend to their will or choose to impose your will on them.

Most of us have been indoctrinated wth the ideology of tolerance and peace and it's useful to sometimes remind oneself that the world simply doesn't work that way. No empire in human history has ever been built by consent and/or compromise. The EU is a shining example of just that - it attempted to form a union of separate regions based on nothing but economic interest and has since morphed into a plutocratic bureaucracy with increasingly fascist tendencies.

In any population sooner or later one party will attempt to force its will on everyone else and if it manages to exceed a certain threshold in momentum there are very few peaceful alternatives to fighting it. In other words - peaceful compromise only works as long as there is a balanced political spectrum. What we have seen over the past two decades is a polarization of political orientation among Western populations. This is in part due to the fact that the center, the moderates, has been completely eviscerated. So here in Europe as well as in the U.S. we're increasingly seeing signs of ideological polarization. Which is bad news because once you suppress the political center chances are high that you end up with civil war.

Post: #299

Here a short 3 vids about the (Re-)Islamization of the Middle East after the de-Islamization in the the 1930s to 70s.

He paints a good picture. You can see the Egyptian parliament in the 1950s where everyone dressed in suits makes fun of the Muslim brotherhood who wants to re-create a society dominated by Islamic law - sharia.

However they are now back.

The ascent of Islam as a dominating force vs secularism came by 2 main forces:

1. Rising wealth of the more radical gulf states
2. Support for re-radicalization by the globalists

I think that back in the 1930s to 50s it was clear to the Middle Eastern elite that the scientific, cultural and technological gap to the West had become so immense, that they could not do anything else but copy the good aspects of that society and become secular modern science-oriented societies or they would live like idiots in reservations. The Muslim brotherhood was likely not only founded and supported by the gulf states, but also by the globalists. The rise of the wealth of the gulf let them re-islamize the societies. Islam which had been pushed back from the 1930s to 70s came roaring back with not only the Sunni gulf states but also the fall of Persia to the Islamic Iran.





Now the old strict followers of Islm are back in full power. The Western Muslims adhere to a wide degree also to that conventional Islam. Secularists who want Islam out of politics, science and education are viewed equal to infidels. That likeable heavy-metal ex-Muslim Iraqi man would be executed in many countries.

The funny part is that the secular Muslims in the past in Egypt and Persia clearly saw that Islam was holding back the country and that is why they pushed back the religion and pretty much ignored most infringing commands coming from their side. A woman in a Niqab would have been laughed at in Pakistan in the 70s. Now it is becoming ever more common.

Islam is the enemy of both Westerners as well as Middle Easterners. We can either address the issues and push for secularization or we can follow the way of the globalists and the Left:

Claiming that Islam is great, Mohammed is the best, everyone criticizing Islam is a racist, flooding the West with more unassimilable Muslims and picking up the pieces of our victims after each terrorist attack that ends in hashtags and candle vigils.
At the same time the very same virtue signaling leftists are bombing the shit out of secular strongmen like Assad, Gaddafi or Saddam, financing strict 100% sharia followers like ISIS and then finally waiting for WWIII with Islam. That war will come either way.

My option with open critique and pushing back of Islam sounds better, but I don't expect any progress. My option would not only entail total limitation of Islam in the West, ban of Muslim immigration (Ex-Muslims like that guy above can come), but also massive support of all secular leaders (Assad) and an ice-age towards more sharia-conform regimes. (Saudis and others)

(Also funny side-note. According to this Iraqi ISIS is at 100% sharia enforcement, he quantifies the Saudis and Iran as 80% enforcement of their specific Islamic sects, it gets lower with other countries, but frankly even 40% sharia is crap.)

Post: #300

(05-30-2017 07:08 AM)stugatz Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 10:44 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Really managed to trigger some folks this time... over 250k impressions but it's the replies and quoted threads that are blowing my notifications up and I can only multitask and troll for so long.

"REEEEE! WE'RE NOT OFFENDED! LOOK AT THESE PICTURES OF PAKISTANI FOOD!! WHITE PEOPLE HAVE NO CULTURE!!!!!!111~~~"

And of course the thread in response to your post is massive. Well done man.

It's gotten a little outta control lmao. I'm almost about to delete the tweet just to get my notifications closer to normal. Have never had to block so many people.