Post: #1

Hey guys,

Question: If you could solve one chink in your game right now that would take it to the next level, what would that look like?

One of my past challenges were

1. Approaching and
2. Getting a girl to buy my whole persona and hoping it wouldn't all fall apart by the time I got to have sex with her.

Later on.. my main goal was..

....getting a one night stand with little resistance.

Now my focus is not so much on cheap sex.

My biggest challenge right now is making sure I have quality people in my life, and honing my leadership skills so I know how to manage the right woman or multiple women under close quarters.

But some people might be in a different place. I wonder....

If you could get a genie solve your biggest problem in game, that would make you excited and satisfied about your abilities, what would that be?

Post: #2

No such thing as genie's my friend.
Get your head out of the clouds and work harder and look for solutions to your problems.

A few years ago i had no issues approaching, chatting up and getting a number. My main issue was converting those numbers into meet ups/dates.
My conversion rate was less than 10% doing it that way.
You know what i did? I stopped doing it that way.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different outcome"
So i stopped taking numbers and went for "instadates". Or pulled them directly to my house when possible.

Yes the fail rate was high but i not nearly as bad as the number fail rate. Plus on the bright side if she wasn't interested i didn't waste a single minute thinking about when to call/text her and what i was gonna say. She didn't want to join me for a insta coffee date then i know she wouldn't have met up with me if i tried to setup a date later in the week.
If she decided she wanted to join me and i was getting positive feedback from her i'd get the number from her. The success rate from this was much much higher.
Nowadays this is how i pull girls when I'm out.
Having the "always on" mentality means that whenever i leave my house I'm at my best. No excuses.



I knew when/how i was losing these girls. I found a workaround for my particular situation.

Post: #3

Ok so what is your biggest challenge in game right now?

(03-02-2017 10:27 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  No such thing as genie's my friend.
Get your head out of the clouds and work harder and look for solutions to your problems.

A few years ago i had no issues approaching, chatting up and getting a number. My main issue was converting those numbers into meet ups/dates.
My conversion rate was less than 10% doing it that way.
You know what i did? I stopped doing it that way.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different outcome"
So i stopped taking numbers and went for "instadates". Or pulled them directly to my house when possible.

Yes the fail rate was high but i not nearly as bad as the number fail rate. Plus on the bright side if she wasn't interested i didn't waste a single minute thinking about when to call/text her and what i was gonna say. She didn't want to join me for a insta coffee date then i know she wouldn't have met up with me if i tried to setup a date later in the week.
If she decided she wanted to join me and i was getting positive feedback from her i'd get the number from her. The success rate from this was much much higher.
Nowadays this is how i pull girls when I'm out.
Having the "always on" mentality means that whenever i leave my house I'm at my best. No excuses.



I knew when/how i was losing these girls. I found a workaround for my particular situation.

Post: #4

Bluntly, calibration. Sometimes I'll fuck up due to lack of experience or making the wrong move. However, that's always going to be part of the process.

Post: #5

Hey, thanks for properly answering the question...

Can you narrow down what you mean by calibration?

Can you "break it down" a little further?

(03-03-2017 12:49 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  Bluntly, calibration. Sometimes I'll fuck up due to lack of experience or making the wrong move. However, that's always going to be part of the process.

Post: #6

As of right now my biggest problem is logistics. It's between my car, a hotel or motel, or their place if they have one.

Post: #7

1. Time. Between trying to get another job, studying for grad school admissions tests, putting together applications for grad school, and working on some interests of mine, time spent "gaming" feels like a waste.
2. Money. No job, credit card debt. However, I'm not too bothered by this - for years I've spent too much money on women, I'm more than alright with shifting to a low-cost gaming strategy.

Post: #8

Calibration is using the right tool for the situation

Night gaming requires you to be overly touchy feely and to be able to ramble on about nothing

Day game requires the inverse, get her talking, dont do a lot of touching, essentially allow her to escalate the interaction

Post: #9

(03-02-2017 10:46 PM)Lights Wrote:  Ok so what is your biggest challenge in game right now?

(03-02-2017 10:27 PM)kinjutsu Wrote:  No such thing as genie's my friend.
Get your head out of the clouds and work harder and look for solutions to your problems.

A few years ago i had no issues approaching, chatting up and getting a number. My main issue was converting those numbers into meet ups/dates.
My conversion rate was less than 10% doing it that way.
You know what i did? I stopped doing it that way.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different outcome"
So i stopped taking numbers and went for "instadates". Or pulled them directly to my house when possible.

Yes the fail rate was high but i not nearly as bad as the number fail rate. Plus on the bright side if she wasn't interested i didn't waste a single minute thinking about when to call/text her and what i was gonna say. She didn't want to join me for a insta coffee date then i know she wouldn't have met up with me if i tried to setup a date later in the week.
If she decided she wanted to join me and i was getting positive feedback from her i'd get the number from her. The success rate from this was much much higher.
Nowadays this is how i pull girls when I'm out.
Having the "always on" mentality means that whenever i leave my house I'm at my best. No excuses.



I knew when/how i was losing these girls. I found a workaround for my particular situation.

Time.
I'm studying medicine. I don't have a lot of free time because of school. The girls in my program aren't anything worth noting. I've already banged the "best" girls in my program and by that best i mean pretty faced, thin-body Chinese girls. Nothing special and definitely nothing to brag about..

One thing that happens as you get better with game and build experience with women, you'll see certain types of women are a complete waste of time. Once you start talking to them you'll quickly realize that they aren't worth the effort and avoid speaking with that type in the future. Furthermore, you'll be able to pick out the girls who flake/play games sooner in the interaction.

Post: #10

What Is Your Biggest Challenge in Game Right now?
Improve my high energy game.

I'm very restrained and have a hard time "loosening up" to what others would consider loose. I'm not a downer, but my vibe is always a few notches less enthusiastic than other peoples, so it's challenging - and often outright unfruitful - to approach in a high energy atmosphere, which is where so much of mainstream pickup occurs.

I hardly ever have approach anxiety, but because my vibe is not congruent with the atmosphere girls are sometimes put off. I'm a sober, verbal game guy so spitting words in a room full of drunk people, loud music and flashing lights is like trying to play checkers with a kid in a toy store.

Because of that I've become good at picking up girls that go to these places and are also lower energy. But unlocking the high energy front would open many doors.

What to work on
- Being bolder and more in the moment
- Not caring what people around think, even if "faking" high energy seems silly to me
- Being more physical

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As I was writing this reply I found this question to be more and more interesting.

My biggest challenge in game right now is to overcome part of my low-energy nature, which makes it harder to bang girls in bulk, but actually yields girls that I'm very pleased with in the longer term.

So fixing that facet of my nature would improve my ONS rate, and therefore reduce my frustration when going out and not scoring. But I'm more relationship oriented, I've no interest in banging 30+ girls/year, so it would not necessarily make me happier - just less frustrated because I sometimes feel my effort, time and money is in vain.

I'm not being a game or self improvement denialist because they're undeniably positive. But if part of what hooks quality girls could be considered a "weakness" how much of it should one part with?

Post: #11

(03-03-2017 03:06 AM)Lights Wrote:  Hey, thanks for properly answering the question...

Can you narrow down what you mean by calibration?

Can you "break it down" a little further?

Effectively, knowing what to do at a specific moment in time to keep the interaction moving in the direction I want. Basically, I'll hook a girl very well at one time, but my day twos don't go the way they ideally should. That's a result of my failings regarding calibration.

Post: #12

My biggest challenge is getting back out there.

After being in a funk for a couple of years now, I'm getting back to exercising, reading books, meditating, focusing on career goals, eating healthy, and in general not being a bump on a log playing video games, spitting game online only, and watching porn.

Now that the life part is under control, basically starting from scratch and feeling things like approach anxiety and putting girls on pedestals. Having been on the other side gives me comfort knowing that it gets easier.

Time to hit the bricks!

Post: #13

(03-02-2017 12:47 PM)Lights Wrote:  
2. Getting a girl to buy my whole persona and hoping it wouldn't all fall apart by the time I got to have sex with her.
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Post: #14

It's really just been getting out there. I've had a ton of luck with approaches, being successful surprisingly often compared to what I would expect... when I can get myself to actually make them. I've been doing Nofap and that's been helping a ton, but if a genie could snap his fingers and just fast track away the remaining AAnxiety that'd be grand.

Post: #15

Yeah, thanks everyone for your replies.

You know, like memorizing multiplication tables in grammar school or learning to read and write, I believe having game as an adult is truly a skill one can take with you,

for your entire life....

I --- like many others, I'm sure---- spent years.. YEARS, going out to bars and clubs.... In the beginning with friends,

later on alone, meeting women with a cup of club soda and a lime, maybe a little bit of red bull...

then advancing to walking about town and college campuses alone and approaching random strangers.... and seeing the benefits of that... getting free meals and introductions to beneficial people

and as I internalized each part of the game, my evolution as a man grew deeper...

although I'm not going out mass cold approaching women nowadays by ANY means.... nor would I particularly want to..

the skill will always be there

When I roll up into a town where I don't know anyone.... I have no problem making friends

I have no problem walking up to a woman if I need something

and if I get rejected, it's nothing.... and I know how to deal with it now

because how many memories do I have of being rejected in the past, only to have the girl flip....

How many experiences can I remember where I was alone and made something happen out of nothing....

So many.

There's no fear or wondering anymore, because it's all been done before.

I could give "advice" do each and every one of you... but I won't...

I think it's good to admit where we're at... and where we've been

and progress along at our own pace, learning all the while...

that's all a part of it, this journey.

I just wanna know where other people are at.

You know, not everyone can admit their faults. Most people wouldn't admit their verbal game was lacking, or their style isn't up to par. Or they're low energy. Or they don't know how to maintain a relationship.

I can't maintain a relationship.

It's a problem.

I have perfected the art of the one night stand.

But I want a girl devoted to me. Obsessed over me while still being sought after herself.

These are things I think about now.

I'm not ice cold. I give in to my emotions too often when I should be smart and play it ice cold. My game suffers because of it.

I know it does.

Get me to approach a female, persuade a female. Get a quick sale. No Problem.

The maintenance, the upkeep... management. It's a weak point for me. Maybe it's not meant for me to have a lasting healthy relationship... I'm not sure.

You know what. I will address everyone. I started this thread. I'll address everyone.

Quote:Fightersword says: "It's really just been getting out there. I've had a ton of luck with approaches, being successful surprisingly often compared to what I would expect... when I can get myself to actually make them. I've been doing Nofap and that's been helping a ton, but if a genie could snap his fingers and just fast track away the remaining AAnxiety that'd be grand."

Nice. I like this. You know, there's no shortcut. Pretty much all there is to it. Million things been written about AA. You know the fast track is to simply do it. Thanks for sharing.

Quote:BarkChompson says: "My biggest challenge is getting back out there.

After being in a funk for a couple of years now, I'm getting back to exercising, reading books, meditating, focusing on career goals, eating healthy, and in general not being a bump on a log playing video games, spitting game online only, and watching porn.

Now that the life part is under control, basically starting from scratch and feeling things like approach anxiety and putting girls on pedestals. Having been on the other side gives me comfort knowing that it gets easier.

Time to hit the bricks!"

Nice. I like this one too. You know, you still always have whatever you left off with. So that helps. You still have the knowledge and experiences in your brain from before. Good luck bud.

Quote:Effectively, knowing what to do at a specific moment in time to keep the interaction moving in the direction I want. Basically, I'll hook a girl very well at one time, but my day twos don't go the way they ideally should. That's a result of my failings regarding calibration.

You know, this isn't explicit enough. Don't be embarrassed to give the details.

Ya know? I have questions.

Where do you want the interaction to go? You wanna bang her right? You want her to want you right? Or what.

You'll hook a girl at one time? When? How? You say something clever? You use a lot of words ending in "-ion"? Or wha

What is an ideal day 2 for you..... When you bang her in a toilet? Or when you two walk in a park and she tells you in a whisper that "she's never met a man quite like you before". What is it

No clue what you're talking about. Lotta missing information here bud.

Quote:Ringo writes: "My biggest challenge in game right now is to overcome part of my low-energy nature, which makes it harder to bang girls in bulk, but actually yields girls that I'm very pleased with in the longer term.

So fixing that facet of my nature would improve my ONS rate, and therefore reduce my frustration when going out and not scoring. But I'm more relationship oriented, I've no interest in banging 30+ girls/year, so it would not necessarily make me happier - just less frustrated because I sometimes feel my effort, time and money is in vain.

I'm not being a game or self improvement denialist because they're undeniably positive. But if part of what hooks quality girls could be considered a "weakness" how much of it should one part with?"

"Faking" high energy seems silly, you wrote. Well, it is silly, isn't it? Sure sounds silly. Shouldn't you leverage your strengths rather than go contrary to your nature?

I'm so-called low energy as well, and why would I go to a place that I don't like if there are countless other spots that suit my temperament. Sounds like you're trying. And if you're willing to be miserable in a club setting when you hate it.... try day game.

No, you're right.

BTW you refer to clubs as where most of "mainstream pickup occurs." You know.... Why do you say that? No rules as to where this shit goes down, I don't think. Thanks for sharing you sound like a solid guy.

Quote:Deekrivers writes: As of right now my biggest problem is logistics. It's between my car, a hotel or motel, or their place if they have one.

Nice, I'm sure you'll fix that eventually. In the mean time, you can make it work with whatever you have.

Thanks again guys.

Post: #16

Approach anxiety. Be it day game, night game, cold approach... I've been working on it a lot and it's definitely way better than it used to be, but it still exists and it's so annoying.

Post: #17

I definitely need to work on day/night game and my overall AA.

I think over the last year, 7/12 of my new notches have been from Tinder/OKC. And the other 5 were from Facebook. But gaming girls online is like fishing with dynamite.

Time to put on my big boy pants and take it to the next level.

Post: #18

Not being a rich coke dealer.

Post: #19

Finding sluts.

Chumps are treating these girls like wifey these days.

Post: #20

The fucking motivation. I've been daygaming since age 17, I'm completely burned out with it, and the place I live has negligible nightlife within walking distance. I'm in a part of Los Angeles that is something of a bubble (college campus) and I'm not trying to drive for hours just to go to some bars. Daygaming feels extremely fake and forced to me -- and this is coming from a guy who has been repeatedly successful with it. Basically, I don't want to put in the effort. Unfortunately, if I completely rely on online game, I end up banging 5's and worse. Kind of a bad catch 22. I've banged enough 5's, 6's, and 7's for me to start wanting to game the hottest girls, but I've also gotten lazy as fuck and generally pretty burned out with gaming girls in general.

Post: #21

(03-03-2017 09:33 AM)deekrivers Wrote:  As of right now my biggest problem is logistics. It's between my car, a hotel or motel, or their place if they have one.

Lol.....I thought I was the only one living this way.

I've been this way for about the past 3 years or so. The goal by living this way is to be able to have more $$$ to head overseas in the winter months to Brazil like years past.

But it's real tricky trying to keep a girl living like this (and this current one is a keeper).

To answer the OP.....The biggest problem is meeting girls that aren't flaky and don't require being followed to the end of the planet to be in the company of or sleep with.

This city has the laziest women you'll ever find. I've no problems keeping touch with women I haven't seen in many years I've met overseas despite both of us not being able to understand each other's language and the high possibility we'll never cross paths again

But these dumb bimbos with perfect comprehensive English here living in my neck of the woods can't even respond to a simple whatsapp or text.

Post: #22

Time management

Post: #23

Not catching feelings for hoes. I'm getting good at making my plates do what I want them to do; clean my house, cook, stuff I want in an LTR.

But they will always be hoes. I know that, sometimes I even make sure they know I know that. Still; I get in a mini ltr where a girl cooks and cleans and acts sweet enough I go all mushy.

Fucking other girls doesn't even stop it. I think it helps though

Post: #24

Being in a frame of mind where I can work on "game" consistently. Between finding another job, preparing for grad school entrance exams, hanging with friends, and doing anything hobby related - I don't have the time for gaming women.

And my lack of money is pretty de-motivating too. Yet at the same time I say I want to spend close to 0 on these girls. Perhaps it's an inner confidence thing that restricted cash flow has hampered.

Post: #25

What do you think game is?

Is game something you do to women? Or at women? You go out and "game" women?

Is that what you aspire to do?

Isn't Game who you are...

Do you have time to hang out with friends if you have no money?

Do you need money to hang out with friends or to pursue your hobbies?

If Money is only a byproduct of your inherent value, or a skill set you provide to the marketplace...

then the world is an ATM machine.

and the pin...

is g-a-m-e.

Get it? You spell out game like a pin code...

Anyways.

Game..... the whole concept of game... is that the only thing you need...

is your Mind.

Most men don't understand..

even here or there in the so called man-osphere.

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Is game getting a girl to meet you for drinks? Then your place for sex?

Whatever.

The landscape of popular culture has confused the minds of men.

It's OK.

But let's go ahead and differentiate your "game" from real Game.

They're worlds apart.

World's apart.

(03-10-2017 10:53 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Being in a frame of mind where I can work on "game" consistently. Between finding another job, preparing for grad school entrance exams, hanging with friends, and doing anything hobby related - I don't have the time for gaming women.

And my lack of money is pretty de-motivating too. Yet at the same time I say I want to spend close to 0 on these girls. Perhaps it's an inner confidence thing that restricted cash flow has hampered.