Post: #1

I just came back from a 7week trip in SEA, 3 different countries and about 20 notches, 2 of them I banged regularly when nothing else was available, they were on demand, always ready.
Quality of girls ranging from 5 to 7, it is so hard to find 7s+in SEA and when you do they tend to be aware of their value, hence not as easy as lower grade goods.
All of them were in their 20s with 2 bangable milfs in 30s.
The thing is i have spent about 10k aud or about 8k usd for everything,flights,hotel,food,taxis etc
It works out 400usd invested per girl.

Now i talked to friend who works in finance and he thinks that traveling for girls is bad value, return on investment sucks when you consider how much it ended up costing you per new girl.
Then when i really think about girls i have banged i can say that all of them were 1st night lay, so by definition they are slutty type, loose women with astronomical notch count.
His argument was that with amount spent overseas i could've banged 100 a pop hoes here in Australia, 100 vs 20, sure i could have pushed myself more but i was sick for a week, food poisoning, then you have flakes, sometimes you strike out etc


My next destination should be EE, is it reasonable to expect 20 bangs in 50 days in ukraine, russia or poland? Do they do ONS or some kind of pseudo dating is expected before panties drop down?
How much money and days do i need to invest per girl?

I came to conclusion that living in those so called poosy heavens is a way to go, visiting for a few weeks at the time is not very good value

Opinions please

Post: #2

(02-24-2017 07:40 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  My next destination should be EE, is it reasonable to expect 20 bangs in 50 days in ukraine, russia or poland?

It is not impossible but extremely unlikely.

Post: #3

10 in 50 days in EE would be doing very well, unless you're going very low quality. I'd adjust your expectations downwards a bit.

I don't think comparing the overall holiday cost vs prostitutes is a good metric though. Sex with women who actually want you is far better. And its far more rewarding when you have to put in a bit of game/chase before the act.

Plus, are you doing nothing but sitting in a hotel room banging girls in these countries? In that 7 weeks did you not see any cultural sites, experience different food, see beautiful scenery, hang out with locals etc? Surely you're taking away more than just notches as value from a 7 week holiday, otherwise you're doing it very wrong.

Post: #4

Haven't done much apart from banging, going to malls, coffee shops and good chunk of time was spent stuck in traffic ubering , but it is because I have been to SEA more than 20 times and don't really care about seeing temples and other things, you see it once and that is it, its overrated waste of time anyway. I have spent lot of time on hotels swimming pool that was on rooftop, many timez girls a wanna come on the pool, i send em pix of me enjoying drink by the pool, its the fastest way to gets them wet ?

So 20 bangs would be unreasonable to expect in EE in 50 days, is ONS common in EE as it is in anglosphere and SEA? See, im not into dating and wasting too much time and energy going for drinks, coffees and restaurants when my time is limited.

I agree bang from hoe vs slut is not the same, feeling is different but im just putting price on it anyway.
Somwhow part of me can't justify spending 10k and end up with 5 or 10 bangs with some skank that wants to be fed in nice restaurant because she cant afford it. Make no mistake most women foreigners end up with are sluts, golddigers or just trashy women. So its not like you getting 20 yo virgin russian or ukranian girl, their milage would be higher than yours and you wouldn't be the first foreign dick she tasted.
They are just like american girls when ot comes to promiscuity or even worse

Post: #5

ROI? Dude what are your goals to begin with? Is there an end goal to this other than getting your tool wet? What milestones have you written down on paper, so that you can feasibly track your goals? Is it certain flags, a certain beauty number out of 10, an LTR, a wife, etc.

Only you could know if that is a good or bad ROI, because all the data points are in your head right now. You might as well ask us how you are feeling right now. We cannot know that.

You tell us where you are going with all of this, and perhaps we might have some kind of insight you did not think of prior. Also, if you are going to talk money, you might as well lay it out and describe your income to an extent, what assets you have, and what your financial goals are as well.

Post: #6

You want to bang 20 hot girls in 6 weeks in Eastern Europe without dating?

Post: #7

(02-24-2017 11:55 AM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  You want to bang 20 hot girls in 6 weeks in Eastern Europe without dating?

Let the man dream, bro

Yes OP! It's totally doable! You will roll in that slavic pussy, for as low as $20 per roll!

Post: #8

Straight answer to your question is no. If it is for the sole purpose of banging some sluts, the ROI is not good. But if you have some other expectations or needs to meet, the gains can be immensurable.

Examples:

- guy with low sexual experience/ notch count (banging 20 girls will bring an imense baggage, and he will get rid of anxiety with intimacy)
- guy with approach anxiety / social anxiety (beeing out of his comfort zone and into the world, will make more of a man out of him)
- guy with Oneitis (after banging 20 sluts in a short period, guy will certainly stop putting that one pussy in the pedestal)
- guy with quality issues (banging an 8+ no p4p is an experience that every man shall have, for the sake of his confidence/self esteem)
- guy with serious interest, and that mirrors himself in the culture/people of the destination.

I could go on for more, but these certainly are aspects that if all combined worth much more than those 8k. I am a totally different kind of man since when my EE travels started. I spent a lot, but it had no price. And I see the results everyday nowadays, banging much more and better quality in where I am based.

As for the question regarding EE, well...sorry to disappoint, but thats not gonna happen.

Post: #9

A girl from Liberia told me that after the civil war there they had UN peacekeepers from Bangladesh randomly yelling "jiggy jiggy one dollah" to girls in the streets.

OP, have you considered a career in peacekeeping?

Post: #10

If your definition of travelling is seeing new things, experiencing new cultures and banging girls on the side, then no it's not a bad ROI.

If your definition of travelling is seeing how many girls you can pull regardless of any other factors, then yes it's a bad ROI.

Perspective is everything.

Post: #11

^^ but comparing the amount spent on a whore to a legit cutie that loves to ride your cock is apples to oranges.

Post: #12

Paul Jenka in one of his books mentioned his ROI for his game was surprisingly low. I believe it was something like 14 bangs out of 100 girls.

I've met a few players who surprisingly confirmed this number to me as well.

Realistically, the ROI on such activities is pointlessly low and the reward is fleeting. If you approach game like this, I will warn you that you will get bummed out by the amount of work versus reward. Not to mention the dreaded, "I got x amount of lays, now what do i do?"

Look at it as an adventure in exploring what you want out of life and women with an added plus of getting laid. Not to mention all of the exotic locations you went to.

Post: #13

(02-24-2017 07:40 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  I just came back from a 7week trip in SEA, 3 different countries and about 20 notches, 2 of them I banged regularly when nothing else was available, they were on demand, always ready.
Quality of girls ranging from 5 to 7, it is so hard to find 7s+in SEA and when you do they tend to be aware of their value, hence not as easy as lower grade goods.
All of them were in their 20s with 2 bangable milfs in 30s.
The thing is i have spent about 10k aud or about 8k usd for everything,flights,hotel,food,taxis etc
It works out 400usd invested per girl.

Now i talked to friend who works in finance and he thinks that traveling for girls is bad value, return on investment sucks when you consider how much it ended up costing you per new girl.
Then when i really think about girls i have banged i can say that all of them were 1st night lay, so by definition they are slutty type, loose women with astronomical notch count.
His argument was that with amount spent overseas i could've banged 100 a pop hoes here in Australia, 100 vs 20, sure i could have pushed myself more but i was sick for a week, food poisoning, then you have flakes, sometimes you strike out etc


My next destination should be EE, is it reasonable to expect 20 bangs in 50 days in ukraine, russia or poland? Do they do ONS or some kind of pseudo dating is expected before panties drop down?
How much money and days do i need to invest per girl?

I came to conclusion that living in those so called poosy heavens is a way to go, visiting for a few weeks at the time is not very good value

Opinions please

SEA is the easiest place in the world to get bangs.

That's why all the old busted white men who are post wall go there. Anyone can get laid in SEA.

No, it's easier to get quick tail in the states than in EE. Probably easier to find a feminine woman and good relationship in EE, but not easy for quick bangs.

Post: #14

What else would you do with 8k and 7 weeks?

Post: #15

(02-24-2017 01:56 PM)Satoshi Wrote:  What else would you do with 8k and 7 weeks?

Start a drug habit.

Or finish one.

Post: #16

Cash spent on travel should be about the travel and that enjoyment.

Bangs and women are just a bonus.

Post: #17

Lol @ 20 bangs in 50 days

Post: #18

Why? It's SEA after all.

Post: #19

(02-24-2017 11:20 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Only you could know if that is a good or bad ROI, because all the data points are in your head right now. You might as well ask us how you are feeling right now. We cannot know that.

One can surmise he doesn't feel great, but he doesn't know why. Here's the answer: you put $10,000 and 50 days of your life into banging sevens. More likely sixes, let's be real.

EE won't make you happy. Forget about ROI and focus on your game. Focus on your lifestyle. Why are you so thirsty? Why can't you set up a decent harem at home?

These are the hard questions you need to ask yourself.

Post: #20

Your looking from ROI purely from a sex standpoint / number of new lays. It's the overall memories and experiences you create that matter and I'm sure will be worth 8K USD easily.

Post: #21

The real question is how you spent 8k in 7 weeks in SEA. Even if we subtract off $1000 for the plane ticket, that's still $1000 per week. If you really want to increase your ROI, why not just spend less. Instead of going for record bang #'s, better money management could easily double your ROI, even more if you're frugal.

Post: #22

Absolute answer: No. $400 per girl in SEA is not a good ROI, unless you have so much money that it doesn't make any difference to you whatsoever. Like other posters have suggested I would look into how you spent $1000 per week in SEA. You could comfortably do 7 weeks there for half that.

Big difference between complete pros vs normal girls (plus the occasional semi pro or soft pro) in SEA. Even if a lot of it is due to WGF and relative poverty, it still feels authentic relative to a prostitute. So that's one advantage that you wouldn't get at home. Exception: where a certain prostitute is just exceptionally good and/or hot to the point that the experience beats the 6 in SEA. But overall authentic >>> p4p.

Another way to increase ROI is to go bareback. Some may disagree with me but with p4p it's generally not allowed, and if the girl lets you then you should not for obvious reasons. Most likely in SEA you won't catch anything and if you do nothing that can't be cured with antibiotics etc. Just make sure you have birth control pills and that the girl takes them. Bareback is just in another league.

Then you have repeat girls; you don't have to even go on dates, you can be more sexually adventurous, you can bang for hours or do whatever you feel like while prostitutes charge by the hour. Also, some girls you might get along with and just being with them after sex, bonding on some level, can have emotional benefits you don't get with a prostitute. In fact the opposite is usually the case.

For this reason the $400 vs $100 comparison is not a like for like comparison by any means. But you could half your costs to $200, and increase your work rate to get more girls, and get it down to perhaps $150 per girl. Obviously living in a place long-term means no more tourist rates and social circle opportunities which could drive your costs further down. I think that's where the best ROI is at, but before living somewhere exploration costs are inevitable. You might consider settling down if you've been there so many times, but there is always the issue of how to earn income when living abroad.

As for EE, no, it's hard. Guys going there for easy lays are in for a rude awakening. The real reason to go there is to live in a more sane culture, to enjoy the process of creating and maintaining relationships with women who are pleasant and feminine, to increase quality available to you. 20 notches in 50 days is highly unlikely and if that were achieved you would have to be excellent in all aspects of game and work your ass off from morning to night. However, just one real relationship with a beautiful, feminine, slavic woman can provide arguably priceless emotional benefits, in addition to sex. If you find such a girl, I also recommend you lick her ass hole, because it is great and even if you don't enjoy it, it's a great story to tell your friends back home who are stuck banging empowered masculine 49ers. It's also something to chuckle about on your deathbed. You lived. You didn't just wait to die. That's how it makes me feel anyway, YMMV.

I sometimes look at my travel bills and I justify them as being necessary exploration costs, where I am going to pay the tourist tax (flight costs, 2-4x local prices) for the right of not being obligated to stay there. It is a cost incurred for my lack of long-term commitment to a place, before I find that place and I have the means to stay in that place for a prolonged period of time.

Post: #23

(02-25-2017 03:54 PM)WhatTheFuck Wrote:  The real question is how you spent 8k in 7 weeks in SEA. Even if we subtract off $1000 for the plane ticket, that's still $1000 per week. If you really want to increase your ROI, why not just spend less. Instead of going for record bang #'s, better money management could easily double your ROI, even more if you're frugal.

Respectfully, this is not the real question.

The fact OP is asking about ROI means he is not satisfied. Getting more value for money won't change that.

He is not satisfied because he is banging sixes.

When I bang an eight, I know I am satisfied. I'm not quibbling about my ROI (which is never more than a drink or two anyway).

From any perspective $10,000 is P4P by another name, as OP alludes to.

Post: #24

So let's get this straight. $10k and 50 days worth of your life just to get laid? Or like another poster said, will you experience the local environment?

Tourism for sex is just that: Sex Tourism, for which that seems like way too much.

To each their own, but a good amount of that money could be invested in more fulfilling endeavors than just "bangs."