Post: #26

If you question the official national stats site then you are likely confused about its mission. This is the actual reported raw data.

Oh, and that part about no-go zones in Sweden. That's a prime example of a falsehood that's been perpetrated by the Internet. CBS reported it originally, but either they mistranslated "exposed areas" or they just added the "no-go" part for dramatic effect. No original Swedish source has ever claimed they exist.

Am I saying that the situation in Sweden is paradise on earth? Hardly, the migrant crisis is real, has always been and needs fixing. It's however correcting itself with the nationalist party looking to have positions in the government come the next election. There is however a remarkable lack of nuance in the reporting that is not reflecting the situation on the ground, the one I live daily. Looking at the raw data on reported violent crime and make a side by side comparison with any major US city and the choice on what is safest becomes clear.

The northern brotherhood we see in the OP however, is not the solution. I've meet similar types in VAM and BSS which were the progenitors for these movements and I wouldn't trust them to go out to get a carton of milk and get it right.

Laner, I'm surprised to hear this tune from you. You never actually spoke of any of this when you actually lived in the country. I tried going back and checking some of your classic posts from your times in Uppsala/Lund and see nothing of it, that's including the Intel we've exchanged in PM. You'd think you'd mention it at the time rather than tuck it away to a time when you just want to make some political point.

Post: #27

< I will see how nuanced you will be when the Muslim population in Sweden, France, Germany is closer to 40%. And we will see how you like in the US with 50 mio. Muslims in 2040. You will find out how wonderful and enriching the situation is then.

Post: #28

(01-24-2017 05:47 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < I will see how nuanced you will be when the Muslim population in Sweden, France, Germany is closer to 40%. And we will see how you like in the US with 50 mio. Muslims in 2040. You will find out how wonderful and enriching the situation is then.

I'm all for a critical discussion about this but in order to have that we need to stay based in the facts. Pew, the same people who brought us all those horrific statistics a few years ago about how many Muslims in different countries support death for apostates and Sharia law, says there are 3.3 million Muslims in the U.S right now, you really think this is going to multiply 15 times in 23 years? Even France the most Muslim country in Europe is only at 10%.

Here is a chart from Pew on Muslim fertility. Maybe if Europe literally starts doing what Germany did in 2015 again every year from here on outwards, which they won't, because after we saw how that went it would be deeply unpopular. So 40% is never going to happen.

Post: #29

^ Bro those numbers are 7 years old. The post-invasion numbers will be shocking to say the least.

Post: #30

Exactly - second and third generation Muslims don't reproduce at the same rates, but first generation will have babies en masse - especially since there is zero work for them in Europe. Their best choice is to milk social security - in Europe that is done by 1-4 wives and plenty of kids.

Also the numbers completely miss the 1,5-2,5 mio Muslim & African immigrants that Europe is getting each year now. And most of those immigrants are male in the ages of 20-35 - adding 15-30 mio. of them in Europe is a massive gargantuan change since Europe is mostly older than that.

Post: #31

(01-24-2017 05:35 AM)Vicious Wrote:  If you question the official national stats site then you are likely confused about its mission. This is the actual reported raw data.

Oh, and that part about no-go zones in Sweden. That's a prime example of a falsehood that's been perpetrated by the Internet. CBS reported it originally, but either they mistranslated "exposed areas" or they just added the "no-go" part for dramatic effect. No original Swedish source has ever claimed they exist.

Am I saying that the situation in Sweden is paradise on earth? Hardly, the migrant crisis is real, has always been and needs fixing. It's however correcting itself with the nationalist party looking to have positions in the government come the next election. There is however a remarkable lack of nuance in the reporting that is not reflecting the situation on the ground, the one I live daily. Looking at the raw data on reported violent crime and make a side by side comparison with any major US city and the choice on what is safest becomes clear.

The northern brotherhood we see in the OP however, is not the solution. I've meet similar types in VAM and BSS which were the progenitors for these movements and I wouldn't trust them to go out to get a carton of milk and get it right.

Laner, I'm surprised to hear this tune from you. You never actually spoke of any of this when you actually lived in the country. I tried going back and checking some of your classic posts from your times in Uppsala/Lund and see nothing of it, that's including the Intel we've exchanged in PM. You'd think you'd mention it at the time rather than tuck it away to a time when you just want to make some political point.

It might seem that I tucked this away, and really what changed the most is the attitude of a couple of friends, and mostly the attitude of my ex and her brother in law (who works private security).

I always asked questions, and because at the time I was living with her in möllevången, which was close enough to Rosengård to know that she and her friends were only hiding what they knew. It bothered me, as this is also a very typical Canadian thing to do, which is ignore a problem and hope it goes away.

I love Sweden, and my time there is a great memory of mine. My friends - at least the ones who have not forgotten me after President Trumps election - are very good and kind people. I wish them the best. But it was sad to see the group all socially apply pressure to think in a certain way. I became known as a bit of a nuisance for breaching topics, but was given a pass due to my foreigner cred. I never pushed too much, as my life in Sweden was a charmed, safe and optimistic one.

The last time I was in Sweden was 2014. In the time since then, my ex has quit her job and moved away. She was a psychologist for the state and would visit peoples homes who needed help, mostly addiction and such. When the first refugee wave hit Malmo, it was her they sent into the housing to work with them. Some, genuinely fleeing war, were thankful. Many of these were Syrians with EU passports and family. But then things began getting darker, she was spit in the face by men who did not want a woman in their homes, even though she was sent to help. She had to get Police escort (only male) in order to calm things, but it would not. She was taunted, threatened, and she stopped sleeping. She was awoken in a way no woman deserves. She now lives happily in Switzerland, happy to rent out her flat in Malmo forever.

Viscous, we have a long history here and I respect you. We have good mutual friends outside of here, and in no way would I cherry pick info in order to make Sweden look worse. If you read back on my posts then you know how much I love the country and its people. I was quick to defend and help untangle the many complicated threads of misinformation regarding Sweden. This forum can be a sounding board, and a voice such as yours is a welcome contrarian. I just saw how fast things can change for one person who I loved dearly, and how easy it could have been for her, a 5'11" Nordic beauty, to have been clubbed and gang raped, and this is certainly not something Swedes have been worried about in times past.

I have high hopes for Sweden, but at this pace its just not looking good.

Post: #32

I forgot - Switzerland will indeed be a refuge for the future right in the middle of Europe. The borders are of course open, and rape and terror increase in Switzerland too, but the Caliphate will not take Switzerland just as London will not fall. Both areas are far too important for the globalists and will amass huge armies to defend those parts of Europe.

Post: #33

(01-24-2017 05:58 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 05:47 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < I will see how nuanced you will be when the Muslim population in Sweden, France, Germany is closer to 40%. And we will see how you like in the US with 50 mio. Muslims in 2040. You will find out how wonderful and enriching the situation is then.

I'm all for a critical discussion about this but in order to have that we need to stay based in the facts. Pew, the same people who brought us all those horrific statistics a few years ago about how many Muslims in different countries support death for apostates and Sharia law, says there are 3.3 million Muslims in the U.S right now, you really think this is going to multiply 15 times in 23 years? Even France the most Muslim country in Europe is only at 10%.

Here is a chart from Pew on Muslim fertility. Maybe if Europe literally starts doing what Germany did in 2015 again every year from here on outwards, which they won't, because after we saw how that went it would be deeply unpopular. So 40% is never going to happen.

Those numbers are utter horseshit. The Muslim fraction of the French population has been quoted as 10% since the 90s and apparently hasn't increased by even a single percentage point over 20+ years of immigration and differential birth rates. That gives me very little confidence for the numbers quoted for other countries.

Post: #34

(01-24-2017 03:41 AM)Deluge Wrote:  The thing is in Germany many of these 3rd generation Turkish youth still cannot speak proper German, and not proper Turkish either since their guest worker grandparents were literally illiterate peasant people from the poorest and most backward parts of Turkey. More than one wealthy Turk (from Turkey) has told me that Europe got the Turks that they didn't want.

Yet strangely they stick to their own kind the most and marry white people the least of all the big Middle Eastern groups, but they are also the least religious and very rarely commit terrorism. Even in Australia the same is true. They're aren't a lot of Muslims here but Turks are the largest group, yet all the terror seems to come from the Lebanese Muslims (half are Christian). I find it strange that Turks who are comparatively so insular also seem immune to radicalization.

For what it's worth, I've been told by a few older guys that the first wave of Lebanese were christian and slotted in with no more issues that the Italians etc. after the war. Most of the problems seem to have arrived with the later Muslims.

Not being that old, I don't have personal experience....

Post: #35

Of course - Christian Lebanese - no problem, Muslims - big problem:

http://newobserveronline.com/lebanese-ga...w-germany/

http://www.badische-zeitung.de/nachricht...09356.html

Article how huge Lebanese-mafia-like families control entire streets in some German cities. It is not Berlin - I agree with that - Breitbart is sometimes overly premature in some reports.

The Badische Zeitung (BZ) said that there are distinct “no-go areas” for Germans in Gelsenkirchen Süd, and that the “explosive zone” starts at the “main railway station and extends to the southern part of Rotthausen, Ückendorf, and Bismarck.”

“They will spit on [police] patrol cards, and are highly aggressive,” Ralf Feldmann, head of the police station in Gelsenkirchen Süd said, referring to the Lebanese gangs.

“Often my people hear ‘Get lost, the road here belongs to us, you have nothing to do here,” Feldman added.

According to the paper, the area is so bad that “many Germans have long since fled.”

Now there are only “internet cafés, betting offices, and shisha bars” to be found in the area, and unemployment is “exorbitantly high.” Some 90 percent of “Lebanese youth are, according to the police, without education and training.”

Feldmann went on to describe the “aggression and disrespect” which is directed daily at the police.

200 offences every day and some streets utterly free of locals.

This is not Berlin - actually some Germans already noted that very few rapefugees get relocated to Berlin. The government wants to keep the main city free of them, but other places are not so lucky.