Post: #226

I'm going with one or more of the following:

He's a social retard, possibly on the spectrum of mental disorders.

He's a troll, and doing it for the lolz, and isn't serious about making a political impact.

He's a plant to make conservatives/Trump look evil, feeding into the Bannon/Trump is a nazi theme.

He's actually serious with his beliefs and wants to make a political impact, but is just awful at the art of persuasion.

Those are the four options I've seen as most likely. Maybe a combination of multiple.

Post: #227

(02-06-2017 12:14 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Posting stuff like that is why he'll never be mainstream. Mocking the dead, even if it is a low-life like Martin won't win you followers.

Gay men aren't exactly known for their ability to empathize, which is why Narcissism is part of the stereotype.

Post: #228

(02-06-2017 05:54 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Those are the four options I've seen as most likely. Maybe a combination of multiple.

I might know what the problem is. Maybe he's just a racist asshole? Some people just are.

Maybe his whole schtick and intellectual theories are just him being this racist asshole but with bigger words?

That's just a theory from me. I stand behind my belief that this guy is some type of plant actually funded by lefties.

Some people made a video game where you punch Richard Spencer:http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/02/punch-...lf-hitler/

Aloha!

Post: #229

(02-06-2017 08:06 PM)Kona Wrote:  I stand behind my belief that this guy is some type of plant actually funded by lefties.

This wouldn't surprise me, and though I'm not a betting man, I'd bet a lot that this is actually the case.

Post: #230

(02-06-2017 07:35 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:14 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Posting stuff like that is why he'll never be mainstream. Mocking the dead, even if it is a low-life like Martin won't win you followers.

Gay men aren't exactly known for their ability to empathize, which is why Narcissism is part of the stereotype.

Plugging each other in the butthole is a fundamentally selfish act, so this shouldn't surprise anyone. Hertosexual activity before the modern age of birth control was all about reproducing and bringing life into the world. Birth control has now lowered hertosexual activity to that of homos; Sex with the primary purpose of pleasure, not production of new life.

(02-06-2017 08:06 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 05:54 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Those are the four options I've seen as most likely. Maybe a combination of multiple.

I might know what the problem is. Maybe he's just a racist asshole? Some people just are.

Maybe his whole schtick and intellectual theories are just him being this racist asshole but with bigger words?

That's just a theory from me. I stand behind my belief that this guy is some type of plant actually funded by lefties.

Some people made a video game where you punch Richard Spencer:http://venturebeat.com/2017/02/02/punch-...lf-hitler/

Aloha!

Certainly, he could just be a racist asshole. He tries to talk like he's some type of intellectual, but some of his barbs on twitter like the one quoted above just goes to show you how clueless he is, or, as has been suggested, he's some type of left-wing plant trying to paint mainstream conservatives/Trump as the second-coming of the KKK.

(02-06-2017 08:11 PM)IveBeenFramed Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 08:06 PM)Kona Wrote:  I stand behind my belief that this guy is some type of plant actually funded by lefties.

This wouldn't surprise me, and though I'm not a betting man, I'd bet a lot that this is actually the case.

Entirely plausible. What would be really hilarious is if Spencer is a left-wing plant, and he's still a huge racist. The disconnect would be too much for the average lefty to fathom.

Post: #231

This is not a shitpost, so consider this in good faith.

Mr Spencer is an immature bisexual attention whore. He went to Duke, you have to have good SAT scores and AP everything to get into Duke, and majored in bullshit- He had the intelligence and ability to major in anything, and he picked bullshit. He was known for starting shit on campus to get attention and often did inflammatory things for that attention. Once he graduated, he did not have the campus as a theater for his attention plays, so he made his "policy think tank" and continued his inflammatory behavior. This is the behavior of an attention whore.

He has a least homosexual tendencies, and proclivities. He is all about appearances and seems real keen on getting homosexuality in the White identity movement. He is not known as a ladies man and anyone in his position has groupies of some kind. Any straight man in his position would have fucked some groupies and the groupies would let it be known. Wives do not count, side bitches do-wives prove you want to fit in, side bitches proves you desire pussy.

He is immature- Heil gate and the Trayvon tweet (Nuff said). He knows the spotlight is on and this is how he behaves.

Post: #232

I keep hearing guys say this dude is gay or bi. Has there been some outing of this Spencer character ala Bathhouse Barry, Marco Foamio or Peter Thiel style?

Atlanta Man, did you go to Duke, or know someone that rolled in his social circles? I'm just wondering how you know all this about him. I've heard so many conflicting stories about Spencer it is hard to keep track of just who this guy is.

Post: #233

(02-06-2017 05:54 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  He's a troll, and doing it for the lolz, and isn't serious about making a political impact.

Can one not be a troll who is serious about making a political impact? Seems like he's following the Milo model, but with the trolling ramped up by an order of magnitude.

For the record, I'm not drawing an equivalency between the positions they support. Milo's are reasonable, Spencer's aren't.

Post: #234

(02-06-2017 10:30 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 05:54 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  He's a troll, and doing it for the lolz, and isn't serious about making a political impact.

Can one not be a troll who is serious about making a political impact? Seems like he's following the Milo model, but with the trolling ramped up by an order of magnitude.

For the record, I'm not drawing an equivalency between the positions they support. Milo's are reasonable, Spencer's aren't.

Milo is trolling in a light-hearted way, with a sharp sense of humor.

Spencer is trolling and who is laughing? Milo has a much more massive following online and in-person, plus a book deal that is going to put him at the top of the best-seller charts.

The market is responding to one product, and the other one has been soundly rejected. I haven't seen any tangible means to suggest that Spencer is growing his brand. It is only a matter of time before Twitter purges him. When that happens, where does he go from there? To get a few thousand followers on gabi?

I just don't see this guy getting anywhere near Milo's success. People call him a nazi, and he doesn't outright deny Hitler or Nazis. People call Milo a Nazi and he points out that he is Jewish with a black boyfriend, then laughs in your face. Which tactic wins followers?

I stand by my assessment that Spencer is a buffoon or a plant.

Post: #235

(02-06-2017 09:17 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Mr Spencer is an immature bisexual attention whore. He went to Duke, you have to have good SAT scores and AP everything to get into Duke, and majored in bullshit- He had the intelligence and ability to major in anything, and he picked bullshit. He was known for starting shit on campus to get attention and often did inflammatory things for that attention. Once he graduated, he did not have the campus as a theater for his attention plays, so he made his "policy think tank" and continued his inflammatory behavior. This is the behavior of an attention whore.

That pretty much explains it all, really.

Post: #236

(02-06-2017 10:03 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  I keep hearing guys say this dude is gay or bi. Has there been some outing of this Spencer character ala Bathhouse Barry, Marco Foamio or Peter Thiel style?

Atlanta Man, did you go to Duke, or know someone that rolled in his social circles? I'm just wondering how you know all this about him. I've heard so many conflicting stories about Spencer it is hard to keep track of just who this guy is.

I think he is bisexual (I actually think homosexual, but he was married so I will give him the benefit of the doubt) due to his behavior and mannerisms. He does not have that typical heterosexual behavior that most men do. He does not seem to care about getting laid- he just seems to want attention(good,bad all the same to him), to push buttons, and have everything be about him. He is far too comfortable mainstreaming homosexuality into his movement, and trying to force others to accept it. He cares a lot about how he looks with his cloths and hair, but adverse to working out and physical contact(ex-If he wanted to lose weight he would just diet, but not lift iron or do MMA).

Biggest of all for me is he did not use his fame to get women, he just used it for more attention-that is suspect to me. Now, I have heard rumors about things he did at Duke and circles he runs in now but none of those rumors have any truth to them. The only rumor about Duke I heard that may be true is the reason he is anti-Jew is there was a conservative Jew who went to school with Spencer and was a better racial provocateur than him (better arguments, and presentation) who went on to become a respected columnist for a well regarded conservative publication. Spencer's rhetoric became more anti semetic when it became evident that the Jewish guy was going places and Spencer was just a clown to be gawked at.

Post: #237

What is your opinion of David Duke and George Lincoln Rockwell?

Post: #238

(02-06-2017 10:30 PM)Delta Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 05:54 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  He's a troll, and doing it for the lolz, and isn't serious about making a political impact.

Can one not be a troll who is serious about making a political impact? Seems like he's following the Milo model, but with the trolling ramped up by an order of magnitude.

For the record, I'm not drawing an equivalency between the positions they support. Milo's are reasonable, Spencer's aren't.

What exactly are Milo's positions?

They seem more flexible than his anus.

I don't get how people can say Spencer is a troll, a plant,etc..He's been doing this for 10 years, way before being alt-right was "cool".

Post: #239

Does Spencer have a book outlining his ethos something like The Racist Manifesto?

Post: #240

(02-07-2017 01:00 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 10:03 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  I keep hearing guys say this dude is gay or bi. Has there been some outing of this Spencer character ala Bathhouse Barry, Marco Foamio or Peter Thiel style?

Atlanta Man, did you go to Duke, or know someone that rolled in his social circles? I'm just wondering how you know all this about him. I've heard so many conflicting stories about Spencer it is hard to keep track of just who this guy is.

I think he is bisexual (I actually think homosexual, but he was married so I will give him the benefit of the doubt) due to his behavior and mannerisms. He does not have that typical heterosexual behavior that most men do. He does not seem to care about getting laid- he just seems to want attention(good,bad all the same to him), to push buttons, and have everything be about him. He is far too comfortable mainstreaming homosexuality into his movement, and trying to force others to accept it. He cares a lot about how he looks with his cloths and hair, but adverse to working out and physical contact(ex-If he wanted to lose weight he would just diet, but not lift iron or do MMA).

Biggest of all for me is he did not use his fame to get women, he just used it for more attention-that is suspect to me. Now, I have heard rumors about things he did at Duke and circles he runs in now but none of those rumors have any truth to them. The only rumor about Duke I heard that may be true is the reason he is anti-Jew is there was a conservative Jew who went to school with Spencer and was a better racial provocateur than him (better arguments, and presentation) who went on to become a respected columnist for a well regarded conservative publication. Spencer's rhetoric became more anti semetic when it became evident that the Jewish guy was going places and Spencer was just a clown to be gawked at.

Lols.

"If the dude isn't a thirsty poon hound, he must be gay".

Some men do live for greater for impact than impregnating welfare hoes. Hard as it may be for you to imagine...

I'm not following the logic of some of you guys. Spencer has made himself the most hated man in America. He's been assaulted repeatedly. You don't do that for lols. You do it because you're a true believer.

I think that's why (((they))) find him so dangerous.

P.S. Since you're obviously fascinated with the guy, a quick look at his FB would show he does Olympic lifting/kickboxing. None of that is going to protect you against a mob, or a sucker punch from the side.

Post: #241

Spencer has been on Facebook for over 7 years and has less than 10k followers. His message isn't resonating because he has a message the vast majority of Americans aren't listening to.

He just posted this:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...id=1315105

Calling for trump to declare antifas as terrorists is foolish and plays into the leftist narrative that trump is cracking down on fascists because he is a fascist himself.

If Spencer were smart (we have no reason to belive he is based upon his past behavior) he'd be advocating for Trump to use the already existing federal riot laws on the books. Spencer, like most white nationalists, are profoundly poor strategists.

Leftist Jews annoy and are certainly anti Christian and anti white. Still, you don't win a full frontal battle by attacking their jewishness. That's short sighted. Trump is surrounded by Jews because he's leveraged them to get what he wants out of life.

The reason why Spencer got sucker punched is because he doesn't have a real following in real life to provide him protection. He's a has been with zero accomplishments to his name. Totally ineffectual except to be seen as a Trump bogeyman.

Post: #242

Spencer just isn't very interesting. He isn't an intellectual either, I'll take Bannon and Coulter over him any day, though he wants to be seen as one. Jared Taylor is the guy Spencer is trying and failing to be. He also certainly isn't a David Duke who actually is the family friendly version of white nationalism. Duke has even interviewed and been interviewed by Tommy Sotomayor several times. Can you see Spencer do that?

Post: #243

I agree that Spencer is ineffectual but I see no value in piling on a bunch of baseless accusations about his character and sexual preferences. It's pretty obvious some people here just really don't like him and see what they want to see. Muddying the waters with bullshit is not helpful.

If you're going to call him a fag, show some evidence besides "he doesn't act like I would". If you're going to call him a leftist plant, I want to see some actual evidence besides him being kind of tone deaf. Accuse him of staging getting attacked? Evidence beyond "well it might have happened that way," please.

And for the fiftieth time, Spencer himself didn't do any Nazi salutes. Continuing to perpetuate that lie does not help your credibility.

If Spencer is a plant, why isn't his platform larger? Why isn't he being bootstrapped? There's plenty of money on the left and we know they do things like that. They come out with a new fake "patriotic pro-gun but actually wants gun control" group every couple years.

I'm not a fan of Spencer but if we're going to talk about him and his ideas, I'd appreciate if we kept things out of the "I don't like him so I'm going to invent a bunch of shit to assassinate his character" realm. All this thread has turned into is a bunch of wild speculation to beat up on the guy because a lot of you don't like him, but none of you have shown evidence of any of your assertions.

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Post: #245

(02-07-2017 11:32 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  He also certainly isn't a David Duke who actually is the family friendly version of white nationalism.

David Duke was the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. That's family friendly to you???

He also pleaded guilty to fraud over his gambling problem. I guess you can justify that by saying "well only some things the does are fraudulent" and I look forward to hearing that. Or maybe we'll get the "well he's not the leader of the Klan anymore" argument to go along with it.

(02-07-2017 11:50 AM)weambulance Wrote:  It's pretty obvious some people here just really don't like him and see what they want to see.

To that I say it is extremely obvious that some people like him so much that they refuse to see through his bullshit.

He absolutely was doing the Heil Hitler, he just did it with a glass in his hand after making a bunch of nazi-ish comments. People just refuse to watch the video shot from the other angle.

His "platform" on inauguration day and the days following was massive. Its the same with super bowl Sunday. Google "Richard Spencer" then hit news and look at how many sites covered his goofball behavior. This is on two huge internet news days.

As we all know the news is manipulated and so much bullshit is thrown at everyone. But our boy Richard Spencer is above it for some reason???

And his Trayvon Tweet just blew his "I'm not a racist" talk right out of the water.

For the fiftieth time: If you want to do the Heil Hitler, do it. If you want to be a racist, be one. Don't be a pussy about it and hide behind a bunch of big words. Its dishonest.

Aloha!

Post: #246

(02-07-2017 02:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:32 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  He also certainly isn't a David Duke who actually is the family friendly version of white nationalism.

David Duke was the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. That's family friendly to you???

Duke was a clan member from 1974-1980 at age 24 and leaving at age 30. He hasn't been KKK for 36 years. Something he has called a mistake consistently since then.





It's a good show to watch if you actually want to know what Duke is about against a hostile host and hostile (but civil) crowd. That's family friendly compared to shouting hail victory and making Trayvon jokes.

Post: #247

(02-07-2017 02:58 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 02:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:32 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  He also certainly isn't a David Duke who actually is the family friendly version of white nationalism.

David Duke was the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. That's family friendly to you???

Duke was a clan member from 1974-1980 at age 24 and leaving at age 30. He hasn't been KKK for 36 years. Something he has called a mistake consistently since then.

But in 2002 he pleaded guilty to fraud. He lied to people so they would give him money. Hard working white people, who he is supposed to be a champion for.

He may say being the Klan boss was a mistake, but he's a convicted liar.

I dont think hamstering David Duke into a good person is possible.

Aloha!

Post: #248

(02-07-2017 02:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:50 AM)weambulance Wrote:  It's pretty obvious some people here just really don't like him and see what they want to see.

To that I say it is extremely obvious that some people like him so much that they refuse to see through his bullshit.

I don't care at all about David Duke. He's no spokesperson of mine. Way too much baggage.

As to the rest of your post, you're projecting and you can't even see it.

Quote:He absolutely was doing the Heil Hitler, he just did it with a glass in his hand after making a bunch of nazi-ish comments. People just refuse to watch the video shot from the other angle.

You just claimed "he was totally doing this thing even though he was doing it completely wrong". If he was signaling his Nazi affiliation, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't do it in a totally disrespectful way. You know what else looks like a Nazi salute holding a glass? A toast.

I just watched the whole speech straight through. He started with a toast. He ended with a toast. Nazi content: a few jokes that were obvious references to internet memes. Ruh roh! Goebbels alert!

Get real.

He talked about things certain types might find uncomfortable to hear. If you think that makes him a Nazi, or that being pro-white is the same as being a Nazi, the problem lies with you, not him.

Guess who else is a Nazi?











I don't need to address anything else you said because once again, you present no evidence. You just say "go look it up" as if that proves anything. No, you support the case you're making. The fact is his platform is small. If he was being bootstrapped, it would not be small, because a small plant is ineffective and pointless. When you make claims against common sense and logic, it's up to you to support those claims with evidence.

Still waiting on that evidence of the connection between the people who attacked Spencer and Spencer himself, by the way.

And Trayvon Martin was a piece of shit thug who attacked and tried to kill a man for the crime of approaching him at night in the man's own neighborhood. He got what he deserved. The people who celebrate him, St. Michael of Swisher Sweets, and the rest of the crew are again guilty of projecting their own racist bullshit on everyone else. Is it tasteless to crow over someone's death? Perhaps. But the day I need to start deciding whether or not to criticize or mock someone solely on the basis of their race or sex is the day equality is dead. So make up your mind which way you want it.

Quote:For the fiftieth time: If you want to do the Heil Hitler, do it. If you want to be a racist, be one. Don't be a pussy about it and hide behind a bunch of big words. Its dishonest.

I'm calling you out on your habit of railing against "big words" too, by the way. That's an absurd non-argument. Speaking intelligently is not evidence of nefarious intent, and I'm sorry you're so offended that real world events aren't often reducible to what can be discussed with a middle school vocabulary that you so often have to fall back on that "argument".

Post: #249

(02-07-2017 03:52 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 02:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-07-2017 11:50 AM)weambulance Wrote:  It's pretty obvious some people here just really don't like him and see what they want to see.

To that I say it is extremely obvious that some people like him so much that they refuse to see through his bullshit.

I don't care at all about David Duke. He's no spokesperson of mine. Way too much baggage.

Come on. You just twisted it around there. That little quote from me has nothing to do with David duke. That was about your boy Richard Spencer. You know that, there's no need to be sneaky.

(02-07-2017 03:52 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Ruh roh! Goebbels alert! ; St. Michael of Swisher Sweets,

Let me or someone else handle the jokes. Yours are bad.

(02-07-2017 03:52 PM)weambulance Wrote:  I'm calling you out on your habit of railing against "big words" too, by the way. That's an absurd non-argument. Speaking intelligently is not evidence of nefarious intent, and I'm sorry you're so offended that real world events aren't often reducible to what can be discussed with a middle school vocabulary that you so often have to fall back on that "argument".

The hamster is strong with you. Richard Spencer can do no wrong.

Richard wasn't doing the Heil Hitler, It was a toast!

Richard wasn't talking about nazis , he was talking about internet memes!

Richard doesn't hate black people, he's just proud of being white!

If you can't see past what is right in front of you, I don't know what to say. You keep on worshipping your Spencer-god. It should really enrich your life.

Here's some pictures like you put up:

:hamster1:



I don't need to address anything else you said because once again, some people just are who they are, and only see what they want to see.

I respect honesty. That means I'm not going to type anything else, not another 75 words.

Aloha!

Post: #250

(02-07-2017 11:32 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Spencer just isn't very interesting. He isn't an intellectual either, I'll take Bannon and Coulter over him any day, though he wants to be seen as one. Jared Taylor is the guy Spencer is trying and failing to be. He also certainly isn't a David Duke who actually is the family friendly version of white nationalism. Duke has even interviewed and been interviewed by Tommy Sotomayor several times. Can you see Spencer do that?

I'm sorry bro, but you couldn't be more wrong on this.

Spencer is young, trendy, ivy-league educated, etc...He doesn't fit the "mold" of somebody with his views.

They can't pigeon hole him as some sort of southern neo-confederate hillbilly as they can with Duke. And I actually agree with much of what Duke says.

However he will never have the mass appeal of a Spencer.

And that's why the media is infatuated with him...

Let's give the man credit. He coined the term alt-right. And even though he may be more blatant/extreme in his views than many so called "alt right", he's one of the founders of the movement. If not THE founder.

Bannon and Coulter are friendly to the cause I say, but they're by in large mainstream conservatives who spit out a little bit of nationalist rhetoric here and there.