Post: #26

I loved when the black chick asked if he liked black people..

"Yeah, sure"

lol.

And...

"I'm in a safe space now"

10/10 trolling

Post: #27

(01-20-2017 08:34 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  [quote='Kona' pid='1490697' dateline='1484961431']
How can anyone still argue that getting our asses beat by leftists is a winning strategy? And you're making this argument the very day that Trump, who won precisely by not turning the other cheek, is inaugurated?

Puzzling.

I'm not quite sure who "we" and "our" represents when talking about Richard Spencer.

There are posts in this thread where people see first hand the amount of whacky leftists walking around that area of DC. If Richard didn't want something like that to happen, he could have taken a few security types with him. He has the money for it. He could get some of his supporters to do it for free.

Getting your ass beat by leftists for publicity is a terrible strategy. You should ask Richard why he let that happen, and not me.

Your point about controlled opposition is one I forgot. How many high t powerful mens first reaction to getting punched is to fix their hair and hop on twitter?

Aloha!

Post: #28

(01-20-2017 08:58 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 08:34 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  [quote='Kona' pid='1490697' dateline='1484961431']
How can anyone still argue that getting our asses beat by leftists is a winning strategy? And you're making this argument the very day that Trump, who won precisely by not turning the other cheek, is inaugurated?

Puzzling.

I'm not quite sure who "we" and "our" represents when talking about Richard Spencer.

There are posts in this thread where people see first hand the amount of whacky leftists walking around that area of DC. If Richard didn't want something like that to happen, he could have taken a few security types with him. He has the money for it. He could get some of his supporters to do it for free.

Getting your ass beat by leftists for publicity is a terrible strategy. You should ask Richard why he let that happen, and not me.

Your point about controlled opposition is one I forgot. How many high t powerful mens first reaction to getting punched is to fix their hair and hop on twitter?

Aloha!

Yeah, you are correct on both accounts - dont show up at a leftist protest by yourself, and if you do get punched dont fix your hair, find the fucker who did it.

Post: #29

Besides stoking media attention, has Spencer ever actually articulated how he plans to accomplish his goals? I'd like to hear from the horse's mouth what his actual positions are in tangible terms, not just rambling street speeches. My guess is that he isn't quite the policy wonk he makes himself out to be. It would be far more probable to have a whites only homeland somewhere in Europe than it would be in the United States. What are you going to do with tens of millions of asians, blacks and latinos, especially the ones that have been here for 100+ years? Does he have any coherent thoughts on anything? Or is he just a professional jester who likes stirring the pot?

Post: #30

Spencer sees himself as a tweedy academic like Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow. He doesn't have any interest in bulking up and fighting back. Earlier today he retweeted the following showing he accepted the need for security:

He's not out to get sucker-punched for sympathy or publicity and just likes talking to libtards to see if his ideas break them down. In the primaries he went around with a sign saying something like 'Come debate a racist'.

His failing is that he tries to pander to the fashy side of the Alt-right and comes over as being somewhat muddled.

He's not a fag and is at least brave enough to go out and talk to these idiots.

Post: #31

All I see is a 38 year old man who is separated from his wife and has no kids. If he's really that interested in preserving the white race, why doesn't he have six or seven kids by now? That's one thing that has me about a lot of these so-called White Nationalists. They aren't having any kids themselves. They talk about a movement, but they don't actually move the demographic needle. I'm white, but don't identify with White Nationalism. I do think the white race is something worth keeping around, and hope the numbers don't shrink too low, especially if minority interests start to get violent racialist tendencies that make it into the mainstream, whether it be La Raza or ISIS. Still, I've said it before, and I will say it again, there are people at my local church and in my social circle that have 10 or 11 white kids, and they aren't White Nationalists, but are actually moving the needle on having kids. What has Spencer done because annoy some SJW's?

Post: #32

Antifa's are such phaggots, the moment the right hits back they're going to run for cover.

Post: #33

(01-20-2017 09:36 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  All I see is a 38 year old man who is separated from his wife and has no kids. If he's really that interested in preserving the white race, why doesn't he have six or seven kids by now? That's one thing that has me about a lot of these so-called White Nationalists. They aren't having any kids themselves. They talk about a movement, but they don't actually move the demographic needle. I'm white, but don't identify with White Nationalism. I do think the white race is something worth keeping around, and hope the numbers don't shrink too low, especially if minority interests start to get violent racialist tendencies that make it into the mainstream, whether it be La Raza or ISIS. Still, I've said it before, and I will say it again, there are people at my local church and in my social circle that have 10 or 11 white kids, and they aren't White Nationalists, but are actually moving the needle on having kids. What has Spencer done because annoy some SJW's?

There are 1.3 billion fully white people in the world, more than enough, unity is the issue, not numbers.

Post: #34

I don't know about Richard Spencer's life history so I have no idea how long he's been a white nationalist or what his deal is.

However, saying "Yeah, well, how many kids do you have?" is ridiculous as a qualifying argument for how "legit" a white nationalist is, and it's spectacularly ridiculous to say "you don't have kids therefore you're a fraud/irrelevant", as I have seen thrown around the internet repeatedly lately.

Post: #35

But that gets back to my original point: What is Spencer doing, on a tangible level, to rally people to his cause? What are his practical objectives? How does he plan to accomplish them? Also, if you don't have kids, you aren't leading by example. Lefties say they love everything "for the children", but then abort them left and right. Spencer, whatever his end-game seems rather ineffective by any tangible metric.

Quote:However, saying "Yeah, well, how many kids do you have?" is ridiculous as a qualifying argument for how "legit" a white nationalist is, and it's spectacularly ridiculous to say "you don't have kids therefore you're a fraud/irrelevant", as I have seen thrown around the internet repeatedly lately.

I've read White Nationalist message boards. A very common complaint is that white people aren't having enough kids. Ok, lets take that complaint at face value. If that's true, then who is going to step up? If you always wait for the other guy, then the job will never get done. I've yet to see a White Nationalist who has a dozen kids, much less even a half-dozen. For all the talk about whites dying out, they, as individuals, aren't doing much to prevent it.

How many kids one has is absolutely relevant when the leaders of a movement say "we need to have more kids!!!" all the time.

Post: #36

He's fighting a culture war of ideas, as is Milo on campuses. You don't need to have your own kids to do this, just the best propaganda:

Post: #37

White nationalism has gained some prominence in what, about the last two years tops? It sure as hell wasn't a thing anyone paid attention to in 2012.

Are white nationalists magical creatures who can find appropriate wives and crank out white babies a lot faster than normal human beings?

That's my whole point. It's absolutely ridiculous to say "if you haven't successfully put in 8 years of marriage with a good wife and had 5-6 kids, you're not allowed to have an opinion" in any circumstances, let alone with respect to a movement that's basically brand new.


Edit - To add, it ignores the question of whether it's even appropriate for a particular man to have kids at that specific point in his life. I don't think men should be having kids until they're ~28-30 and fairly financially secure. What if a guy is broke as shit? What if he's 19 years old? Poor guys and young guys should simply be ignored because they haven't met the arbitrary but superficially related authenticity test?

Post: #38

White Nationalism has gained some press, but I see no organized structure to suggest it is actually growing at all as a movement. Twitter handles aren't proof of absolute numbers. I don't know of any White Nationalist organization that actually does political activism in-person, and is growing in numbers. The bottom line is, too many of them either directly skirt around the Hitler/Nazi issue, or embrace it wholeheartedly. Whites, as a group, aren't going to be cool with that. Once again, because getting media mentions, what tangible proof do you have to offer to suggest that White Nationalism is actually growing as a movement (in the USA anyways)? There are more nationalist movements in Europe with an ethnic identity as a component, but White Nationalism has long out of vogue in the USA and I see no proof of a revival given the current "leadership". Spencer was the one who thought it would be cute do that salute. How many more mainstream whites did he convert to his cause? Foolishness, if you ask me. About as dumb as the leftist scum who sucker-punched him.

Trump, who isn't a WN, is doing more to help whites just by virtue of actually having a plan to seal the border. That's vision plus action equals leadership.

Milo is a cultural muckraker that has generated an audience for himself and a sizable following of in-person support. I can't He draws huge crowds and is massively popular online. He doesn't take himself too seriously, yet he has a book deal and a rumored TV show.

What does Spencer have to show for his muck raking? He flashed a Nazi salute and got lambasted the left, and the right, split up the alt-right collotion and for what gain?

White women aren't magical creatures that can spit out children any faster than anyone else. But if you are 38 and have a failed married like Spencer, plus no kids, I'm calling out a man with weak frame. A wife that separates from you shows her lack of confidence in your leadership, or his lack of judgement in picking the wrong woman. Either way, with no tangible plan in place (like a border wall, a Great White Redoubt In Poland, Russia, etc.) and failed marriage plus zero kids, plus a miniscule following in real-life, has me questioning just how effective this individual is at accomplishing his goals.

Post: #39

(01-20-2017 09:46 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  But that gets back to my original point: What is Spencer doing, on a tangible level, to rally people to his cause? What are his practical objectives? How does he plan to accomplish them? Also, if you don't have kids, you aren't leading by example. Lefties say they love everything "for the children", but then abort them left and right. Spencer, whatever his end-game seems rather ineffective by any tangible metric.

Quote:However, saying "Yeah, well, how many kids do you have?" is ridiculous as a qualifying argument for how "legit" a white nationalist is, and it's spectacularly ridiculous to say "you don't have kids therefore you're a fraud/irrelevant", as I have seen thrown around the internet repeatedly lately.

I've read White Nationalist message boards. A very common complaint is that white people aren't having enough kids. Ok, lets take that complaint at face value. If that's true, then who is going to step up? If you always wait for the other guy, then the job will never get done. I've yet to see a White Nationalist who has a dozen kids, much less even a half-dozen. For all the talk about whites dying out, they, as individuals, aren't doing much to prevent it.

How many kids one has is absolutely relevant when the leaders of a movement say "we need to have more kids!!!" all the time.

Stormfront phaggots have been shouting that "muh white godess women and kids" for 20 years and see what that got them.

The goal of white nationalism isn't to engage in fertility warfare with 13 year old single mothers in Uganda, it is to expell criminals, leaches and parasites from Western countries, so they can be safe, prosperous and low tax again. Everything else will fall into place again then. Once the big gov stops paying bills for single mothers and creating play-jobs in the public sector, then women will begin to view family as attractive again.

Post: #40

(01-20-2017 09:37 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  



Antifa's are such phaggots, the moment the right hits back they're going to run for cover.

Crazy you posted this - when I was in the middle of the chaos today i saw one of those fucking protestors steal a MAGA Trump flag and run into the crowd and hide unharmed.

Post: #41

I'm also not so sure Spencer isnt just a complete opportunist looking to cash in and be famous.

Post: #42

Quote:The goal of white nationalism isn't to engage in fertility warfare with 13 year old single mothers in Uganda, it is to expell criminals, leaches and parasites from Western countries, so they can be safe, prosperous and low tax again. Everything else will fall into place again then. Once the big gov stops paying bills for single mothers and creating play-jobs in the public sector, then women will begin to view family as attractive again.

How is that any different from being a Law and Order old-school conservative who believes in the patriarchy? I don't see how that is a distinctly White Nationalist philosophy. To me, if you say you want a White Nation, that's like saying you want to be like the Israeli right-wing and population transfer out enough people to ensure a Jewish majority no matter what. Given the massive numbers of non-whites in the USA, that's a non-starter. What can be a starter with whites is more Law and Order non-interventionist statesmen like Trump. Trump is now in power, in no small part because he appealed to Law and Order Whites.

Post: #43

God dammit, here I am arguing a side I don't even support again.

Richard Spencer didn't give a Nazi salute. He said "Hail trump" and some faggots in the crowd, obviously not white nationalists, did the salute. Criticize him if you want, I certainly have, but criticize what he actually did, not the spun story afterward.

And as to the wife and kids question, I was speaking of the extreme overuse of that as an arbitrary qualifier in general not specifically in the case of Richard Spencer. I made a halfass effort to signal that but I should've done a better job, clearly.

Post: #44

(01-20-2017 10:27 PM)weambulance Wrote:  God dammit, here I am arguing a side I don't even support again.

Richard Spencer didn't give a Nazi salute. He said "Hail trump" and some faggots in the crowd, obviously not white nationalists, did the salute. Criticize him if you want, I certainly have, but criticize what he actually did, not the spun story afterward.

And as to the wife and kids question, I was speaking of the extreme overuse of that as an arbitrary qualifier in general not specifically in the case of Richard Spencer. I made a halfass effort to signal that but I should've done a better job, clearly.

No hard feelings, I'm not even arguing, I just find the whole matter rather curious. Until recently, I hadn't even heard of Spencer. Of course, with the media always looking to spin things, it is hard to get first-hand truth on any situation.

We can argue if it was a Nazi salute or not. I'm not going to say for certain one way or another. That being said, it was profoundly stupid on his part to do, even if he wasn't trying to make it a Nazi look-a-like, he should always be operating under the assumption that the MSM will twist things, and if he isn't a genuine Nazi supporter, then why give them fuel for the fire? I just question that kind of judgement from the man.

I think a wife and kids are foundational for the good of any organized society. With the exception of a few philosopher kings who dedicate their entire life's work to a particular study, not everyone can be a philosopher. You need a huge phalanx of men having families. I just don't see that in either the leadership of WN or most of the followers.

If WN was a business, I just don't see it growing its market share in relative or absolute terms because there's no real leadership, and no vision.

Post: #45

In-Grouping and Out-Grouping are fascinating things. Richard Spencer is the same guy he was 24 hours ago, says the same things, holds the same beliefs, etc. But he takes a punch from some guy on the left and all of a sudden we're all acting much more favorably towards him.

Post: #46

Anyone that gets suckerpunched in the head could have just as easily been stabbed in the jugular, and I doubt any of us have illusions that certain insane leftoids are not capable of that at this point.

A spoke about this a while back re: Tommy Robinson getting suckerpunched in a pub. Hell, even a lucky punch to the head can kill you.

We are not playing candyland at Jeb's house any more. If your movement can't put together a small and surreptitious security team to at least prevent you catching some brass knuckles to the back of your skull in broad daylight then the head of that movement is lining themselves up for martyrdom.

Post: #47

I hope Jeff Sessions has a plan to crack down on this leftist political violence. They have had eight years where they can commit crimes and the police look the other way. Peaceful protesters should be respected, but people who break windows and attack people are not protesters. They are criminals. They need to be prosecuted and put in a prison with career criminals. Then they will learn what real authoritarians are like. The way some of these cupcakes look, they won't do well in prison. Police should also be able to shoot thugs who are attacking people and property.

Post: #48

If they are attacking property, give them a huge dosage of tear gas and a truncheon. If they are actually beating on someone, then I think lethal force can certainly be used. Only problem is, too many D.A.'s are actual politicans that don't care about the lives of the officers, but rather scoring cheap political points. Hopefully our new DOJ will backup the cops and get the domestic terrorists rounded up. Between BLM, J20, Soros et all, we've had too much mayhem. Time to bring back some Law and Order.

Post: #49

Would be funny if it comes out that one of his own supporters punched him to help him get publicity. You can see that the attacker is white.

Post: #50

(01-20-2017 11:06 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Between BLM, J20, Soros et all, we've had too much mayhem. Time to bring back some Law and Order.

Well it appears as though the Richard Spencer Puncher has been identified, and it is a white male.

They shot Trayvon for wearing a hoodie.

Also, the punching is on every major news website there is. This was a premeditated attack.

"This is what controlled opposition looks like" - Mike Cernovich

Aloha!