Post: #26

(08-18-2011 03:26 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Okay, I haven't read through everyone's responses, but I think looks make a huge difference, almost to the point of trumping game.

You should be having group sex and orgies by now.

Whether you should wing with him or not? You say he gets the best girl. Are the second-best girls you're getting better than you'd get otherwise?

When I roll with fitness model boy, I pull higher quality chicks with less effort. His "halo" extends to me, and makes me appear even more good looking than I am.

If he's getting the best, and I'm getting the second-best, that's better than getting the third-best, right?

Also, it's much easier getting laid with him.

In general, I worry much less about what the other guy is eating and more with what I'm eating. If I'm eating better than normal because of an association with a superior, why care if he's eating even better than I am?

Post: #27

(08-18-2011 03:26 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  It's gotten so bad, to the point where I almost don't want to wing with the guy any more. It's hard not to have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder when dealing with these situations, I'm trying not to get frustrated, resentful, and jealous at my friends success simply due to his looks.

Those are feminine emotions, and do not belong in a man's psyche.

Those emotions are what's harming you.

Your feelings will manifest themselves physically. You probably appear dejected when women arrive. They are microgestures, and women with high oxytocin are able to spot those microgestures.

Post: #28

I have friends who are good looking but without not much personality.

I have friends who have a good personality but without great looks.

The good looking guys get more ass. They don't even talk that much. They just have a few drinks, chill, and by the end of the night, the girls are hanging around them.

I'll take looks over personality all day. Personality can be learned and fine tuned.

There is no cure for ugly

But, I admit, long term success is mostly mental/emotional/psychologiocal/spiritual

Post: #29

@Pusscrook, there are a ton of factors to consider, but as a rule of thumb, I will say yes. The thing is, really good look people whether they be men or women, know that they are attractive, so they will always have some sense of confidence.

Also success breeds confidence, and if you're a really good look guy, women will make themselves available to you, and give you every hint and sign that they are interested, more or less "serving themselves on a platter." If you can't make a move on a woman who is "serving herself up to you" than you are dealing with some other issue all together, mostly deep seated anxiety.

It's all a matter of degree, if you're a really good looking guy, but you can't look a woman in the eyes, you're all hunched over, and can barely formulate a sentence without mumbling and stuttering, than you're not going to be very sucessful, unless a women basically does all the "work" and is the sexual agressor.

On the flip side of that, if you look like a 5 ft. 2 in. version of Frankenstein, than you could be dressed to the 9's, have mad confidence and swagger, have read every game book and piece of seduction literature, but you're still going to get rejected by hot ass women (8-10 scale), simply based on looks.

A mumbling stumbling awkward Brad Pitt vs. a smooth confident Danny Devito, who do you think will win?

Post: #30

If you're good looking, all you gotta do is not say anything stupid.

If you're ugly, you gotta spit solid Game for an hour or 2...

Post: #31

(08-18-2011 03:48 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(08-18-2011 03:26 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  It's gotten so bad, to the point where I almost don't want to wing with the guy any more. It's hard not to have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder when dealing with these situations, I'm trying not to get frustrated, resentful, and jealous at my friends success simply due to his looks.

Those are feminine emotions, and do not belong in a man's psyche.

Those emotions are what's harming you.

Your feelings will manifest themselves physically. You probably appear dejected when women arrive. They are microgestures, and women with high oxytocin are able to spot those microgestures.

I agree 100%, hence why I'm using my psychological strength to avoid falling in the trap of focusing on and feeling those negative emotions.

Really, my frustration just hit a boiling point, this past weekend, but it's all good, I'm not stressing on it.

We all have our strengths and weakness, and IMHO it's counterproductive to compare ourselves to others. It's more important that we focus on improving ourselves and being totally comfortable and confident with ourselves.

I understand what you are saying about emotions manifesting themselves physically, but I don't really feel that that applies to me in this situation. Normally I am the one who is the more social one of the group, and the de facto social leader, which I know is attractive to women.

Post: #32

Deviating a bit from the original theme...

I've been thinking for a while now about this element that I find crucial to being good at bedding and dealing with women... and I can't find a better way to express it other than "the killer instinct".

In some books related to "the men's movement" (example: Robert Bly's 'Iron John') they name it "the Wild Man", the uncivilized, base and primal aspect of the male persona that priests, parents and politicians tend to repress in men all over, and I find that being in touch with this "killer instict" to be THE MOST crucial aspect of game/pick up.

I think that, once unleashed, this primal, privitive male intelligence is all you need. It is the source where all wisdom about dealing with the opposite sex emerges, to the point you don't need to worry anymore about techniques, lines etc. You just enter into this "state" and you just flow from there.

It is as if an innate, inner intelligence that we all have, and as we go through the ups and downs of learning "game", we get more and more established on this state.

I thought about writing a post on this, but I am still finding hard to grasp this powerful "element" that I am starting to find out after much "inward journeying" dealing with women in the most varied circumstances.

Maybe someone more experienced can comment on this.

Post: #33

OGNorCal707 -

Not sure if you saw this post:

/thread-6057-p...l#pid82988

You have to roll with that cat.

And use his "free leads" to your advantage.

Be like water my son...

Post: #34

(08-18-2011 04:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Be like water my son...

Ha!

All asian players should study Bruce Lee. He was pulling white and latina ass back in the 1960's

And he invented MMA.

He was centuries ahead of his time!

Post: #35

(08-18-2011 03:40 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  OGNorCal707-

Interesting story.

Back in the day, one of my old running partners always attracted girls wherever we went, and brought them in. (One of the best I have ever seen, Grandfather was a famous Hollywood actor.).

His Game was solid (better than 80% of guys out there at least), but on the weaker side a little (lacked killer instinct when blood was in the water).

THIS is what I am talking about! Didn't see it before.

Post: #36

I like to define the game as situational. Different factors play a part in getting good results such as your level of confidence at any given time, physical attractiveness at any given time, your mental state at any given time, sense of humour at any given time, dress code at any given time and how much or how good you escalate at any given time and the girl will judge all these factors according to how she feels at any given time. Every girl judges differently, so her judgement will help in you closing the deal.

I use the term given time because we are all constantly changing be it in our physical aspect or in processing information (perception). Pay attention to how some girls are interested in you and you think you going to close the deal and soon they change their minds, women are very fast in changing their minds, and every minute that goes by they start processing you differently, thats why soon as you try to close the deal, the better (although sometimes it can fuck up, specially when you are dealing with a girl that wants to get a bit serious or never gives her pussy out that quick, but that still the best alternative).

Resuming if the girl finds you attractive and you have enough game, it should be enough for you to close the deal. I wouldnt say mind game is everything or go as far as 90% otherwise ugly guys with non style would be scoring as much as good looking guys. But your confidence level definetely helps, me personally i act like i can fuck queen of England, thats why i get good results, my confidence is unbelievable (dont misinterpret confidence with arrogance, the latter one can make quality pussy run away).

Then when you say quality pussy, we need to know what you mean. Is it looks or wifey material? Quality pussy for you can mean nothing for me and what is really quality for me may not mean anything to you.

Post: #37

Then when you say quality pussy, we need to know what you mean. Is it looks or wifey material? Quality pussy for you can mean nothing for me and what is really quality for me may not mean anything to you.
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Good question , and this is the key to it all...Heres' an interesting read for you. See if this makes sense of my post. It really was an analysis, as I often do.



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=we...kzcP0ERrSA

Post: #38

Unless your goal was to send us to a help page, the link is broken.

Post: #39

I go with the Argentinean proverb: "Verbo mata carita"

Post: #40

(08-18-2011 09:02 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Comrades,

WHen you run game on some good quality pussy ( please leave out cunning Thai whores, broke Colombian sluts, or anything that would be categorized as "quantity" pussy), what do you think the percentages are in terms of this:

Did you get that pussy primarily because of your physical characteristics, or was it more of a mental fuck job that was far to clandestine for her to detect?

Obviously it can be a combination of both, but if you had to give one the edge , and attach a percentage breakdown which would it be?

* Good quality pussy is the subject, not the 5000 bitches you fucked in a month from your many travels. Unless of course they were all quality.

I'd go with 30% physical and 70% 'everything else' a big part of it is mental though.

Post: #41

(08-18-2011 04:18 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  If you're good looking, all you gotta do is not say anything stupid.

If you're ugly, you gotta spit solid Game for an hour or 2...

amen

and i agree with OGNorCal707 and MikeCF, my experience was pretty much the same as theirs.

Post: #42

(08-18-2011 05:34 PM)megaframe Wrote:  Unless your goal was to send us to a help page, the link is broken.

Oh man, let me try to resend it.

Post: #43

(08-18-2011 05:16 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Then when you say quality pussy, we need to know what you mean. Is it looks or wifey material? Quality pussy for you can mean nothing for me and what is really quality for me may not mean anything to you.

Good question , and this is the key to it all...Heres' an interesting read for you. See if this makes sense of my post. It really was an analysis, as I often do.



I sent this article earlier but it failed (link broken)...take a look at this and see what you guys think. I thought it was interesting in terms of quality pussy and what game is better when you are hunting "quality" pussy.

Quantity May Determine Quality When Choosing Romantic Partners
ScienceDaily (Apr. 15, 2010) — The context in which humans meet potential mates has a hidden influence on who they decide to pursue. In particular, when people have a large number of potential dating partners to select among, they respond by paying attention to different types of characteristics -- discarding attributes such as education, smoking status, and occupation in favor of physical characteristics such as height and weight.
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A number of studies in recent years have looked at what happens to humans when faced with extensive choice -- too many kinds of chocolate, or too many detergents to choose from at the grocery store. Under such circumstances, consumer psychologists believe that the brain may become "overwhelmed," potentially leading to poorer quality choice or choice deferral. Psychological scientist Alison Lenton, of the University of Edinburgh, and economist Marco Francesconi, of the University of Essex, wanted to know if the same was true of mate choice, given that humans have been practicing this particular choice for millennia. "Is having too many mate options really like having too many jams?" they ask.
The study is published in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.
To find out how people respond to relatively limited versus extensive mate choice, Lenton and Francesconi analyzed data from 84 speed dating events, which is where people meet with a series of potential dates for three minutes each. Afterward, the men and women report their choices (a "yes" or "no" for each person). It should surprise no one that choosers generally preferred people who were taller, younger, and well-educated. Women also preferred partners who weren't too skinny, and men preferred women who weren't overweight. Beyond that, though, the attributes that speed daters paid attention to depended on how many opposite-sex speed daters attended the event.
At bigger speed dating events, with 24 or more dates, both male and female choosers were more likely to decide based on attributes that could be judged quickly, such as their dates' height, and whether they were underweight, normal weight, or overweight. At smaller events, choosers were more likely to make decisions based on attributes that take longer to identify and evaluate, such as their dates' level of education, their type of job, and whether or not the person smokes.
"Obviously, I think we look for different attributes in partners than what we look for in a chocolate, a jam or a 401(k) plan," says Lenton. "But one of the points we're trying to make in this article is it's the same brain we're carrying around. There are constraints on what our brains can do -- they're quite powerful, but they can't pay attention to everything at once." And if the brain is faced with abundant choice, even about who to go out with, it may make decisions based on what it can evaluate most quickly. As a result, this previously invisible aspect of the choice environment has the potential to determine one's romantic fate.
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Post: #44

Was talkin to a chick about this topic last night, and she said, confidence is 85%.

Post: #45

(08-19-2011 01:09 PM)jariel Wrote:  Was talkin to a chick about this topic last night, and she said, confidence is 85%.

I wouldn't put much stock into what women say, she probably also says she wants a sensitive nice guy, who will listen to her, and blah, blah, blah. Sure, confidence is key, no one will dispute that, but I doubt your female friend would be jumping in the sack with some short, ugly dude who happens to be confident.

Post: #46

(08-18-2011 05:41 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  I go with the Argentinean proverb: "Verbo mata carita"

This pretty much equals: game beats fame. I mostly believe this, but not 100 percent.

(08-19-2011 01:09 PM)jariel Wrote:  Was talkin to a chick about this topic last night, and she said, confidence is 85%.

This tells me for sure it's something else. Women are clueless about what they want, like, or surrounds them. I'm not hating or raging, just stating from experience and years of observation and experimentation.

Post: #47

(08-19-2011 01:17 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  This pretty much equals: game beats fame. I mostly believe this, but not 100 percent.

I believe the opposite. I think Fame is waaaay better then Game. When you are on TV and shit like that, you don't even need Game. Women throw themselves at you.

Famous guys have groupies! No Game needed.

Post: #48

(08-19-2011 01:31 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-19-2011 01:17 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  This pretty much equals: game beats fame. I mostly believe this, but not 100 percent.

I believe the opposite. I think Fame is waaaay better then Game. When you are on TV and shit like that, you don't even need Game. Women throw themselves at you.

Famous guys have groupies! No Game needed.

Correct. Lots of guys in the game community unfortunately tell themselves and each other "pretty lies." Such as, "Game over fame," and "Looks don't matter."

A night out at a Hollywood club where even a C-lister shows up, and a day at a Vegas pool party, should disabuse people of those false maxims.

Post: #49

(08-19-2011 01:17 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(08-18-2011 05:41 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  I go with the Argentinean proverb: "Verbo mata carita"

This pretty much equals: game beats fame. I mostly believe this, but not 100 percent.

(08-19-2011 01:09 PM)jariel Wrote:  Was talkin to a chick about this topic last night, and she said, confidence is 85%.

This tells me for sure it's something else. Women are clueless about what they want, like, or surrounds them. I'm not hating or raging, just stating from experience and years of observation and experimentation.

Hmmm, Now Tuth, In your initial post you created a chart. THe chart was 60% for mental/verbal. Now this whore gave "CONFIDENCE" 85% , which i could interpret as anything just the same.. I gave swagger/style 70% ,but that doesn't mean confidence either in my opinion, What are you thoughts on the scale she/we created?

Post: #50

Girls lie out their ass. Confidence 85%? Really?

So all you have to do is think you look like brad pitt and have a 10 inch cock?!?

BS.

If you are butt ass ugly or fat having confidence will only make girls laugh at you.

Not saying you should be some introvert and shy cat, but dont walk around like your something your clearly not.