Post: #451

Nice concise article with links on the site by monetary reformer Anthony Migchels:

https://migchels.wordpress.com/2018/07/2...visionism/

Quote:Ursula Haverbeck And Revisionism

Quote:Ursula Haverbeck sees her house ransacked by a German paramilitary terror (‘anti terror’) squad, after being interviewed on prime time by ARD, the German public broadcaster. She is facing years in jail. She refused to tow the party line on the ‘Holocaust’.

Frau Haverbeck is an 86 year old lady, in the best sense of the word, who, as a young girl, lived through the horrors of the ethnic cleansing of Eastern Prussia in 1945. She’s the widow of Werner Haverbeck, who was a committed National Socialist during the war and a nationalist, christian and anthroposophical (‘extreme right’) campaigner thereafter.

She is a member of a network of Revisionists in Germany. The best known among them are Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf and Horst Mahler, who is currently serving a 12 years sentence for ‘Volksverhetzung’ (‘inciting popular hatred’) and Holocaust denial.

Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany and several other European nations. The German State especially, clamps down viciously on all that dare to speak their mind on the issue. Recently, Sylvia Stolz was sent back to prison for 20 months for a speech she delivered in Switzerland. Stolz, who is married to Horst Mahler, had already served more than three years behind bars for the ‘crime’ of defending Ernst Zundel, who was convicted to five years in jail.

In France, Vincent Reynouard was sentenced to two years in jail in February this year. This was during the ‘Je Suis Charlie’ mass psychosis, with millions of French ‘celebrating free speech’.

Haverbeck was interviewed in a major attack by ARD (here is a youtube version with English subtitles) on Revisionism on April 23d this year. The main point of contention was Auschwitz, about which she made many points denying it was a ‘death camp’. She called the Holocaust ‘the biggest lie in history’.

Revisionism
Revisionism has been gaining major momentum over the last few years. The points that people like Robert de Faurisson have been making since the eighties have been, especially in the Alternative Media on-line, mostly vindicated.

While Revisionism has important other points too, Hitler’s ongoing peace overtures to the West come to mind, or the horrendous suffering of the German people in defeat, the main issue is of course the Holocaust.

Did 6 million Jews die through gassing as a result of a deliberate policy of industrial genocide? This, in a nutshell, is what we have been made to believe after the war.

Auschwitz is central in this theme. After the war, a plaque was shown to visitors saying 4 million Jews died there. It is upon this number that the 6 million figure is said to be based. However, later the plaque was changed to read ‘1,5 million Jews died here’. Currently, the Holocaust Industry maintains that about 1 million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. Still, the mythical 6 million number remains in humanity’s mass consciousness.

But Haverbeck, in the interview, went a lot further: she denied Auschwitz was a death camp to begin with. Revisionist scholars maintain Auschwitz was a major industrial center and the Jews were brought there as slaves, not to be murdered.

There is no paper trail in Auschwitz whatsoever of any kind of systematic killings. Quite the opposite: the records speak of harsh penalties for guards comitting crimes against the inmates.

Haverbeck cites extensively from the camp records of the time, detailing the diet and medical requirements for the inmates. These suggest the prisoners were quite well taken care of.

Even more telling: there is no forensic evidence at all either. No gas chambers have been found anywhere in the German camps. The infamous one in Dachau, visited by many people, was built after the war by the Americans, for PR purposes.

Nowhere have bodily remains, either bones or ashes, been found. Another issue is that at Auschwitz they simply did not have the crematoria to deal with thousands of bodies on a daily basis. It takes hours to burn a corpse and there were only a couple of ovens at Auschwitz. These were sufficient to handle the ‘normal’ deaths of a major industrial hub, but most certainly not to burn 1 million (let alone 4 million) dead people.

A major blow to the official Holocaust narrative was delivered by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole, in the eighties. He interviewed the camp’s management with a hidden camera and they admitted no people were gassed in the supposed ‘gas chamber’ they were showing to tourists. Cole had to go underground after publishing his findings. He made a career for himself in the Republican Party as David Stein, but was outed a few years ago. He wrote an entertaining account of his travails since.

Fred Leuchter, who worked for the American Government as a gas chamber specialist for executions, went to Poland and investigated and concluded that the alleged ‘gas chambers’ would simply have been unusable for any kind of mass executions. He testified as such in the infamous Zundel trials.

Post war Red Cross reports indicate that about 300 thousand people died in the camps during the war. Most of them non-Jewish. They died mostly in the final months of the war, when the German economy had collapsed and the camps were no longer sufficiently supplied. Typhoid epidemics in several camps killed thousands of inmates.

Revisionism maintains that the Jews of Eastern Europe (and Holland) were arrested as ‘enemy combattants’. Basically the same legal framework with which the Americans interned the Japanese. Already in 1933, International Jewry had ‘declared war‘ on Germany. The ‘final solution’ Hitler had in mind was expelling them after the war.

It must also be understood that this was in the days of the rape of Russia, where the Jews under the guise of Bolshevism had been killing scores of millions of Russians and other Slavs, often in the most heinous fashion. Germany had been witnessing this first rank and there was both deep fear and disgust.

Zionism was instrumental in the whole affair: Zionists operated the Jewish Councils throughout Europe, which cooperated with the Germans and selected the people to be sent off to the camps. Zionists were spared the ordeal. Zionism needed the ethnic cleansing of Europe for its own designs in Palestine: the Jews had shown to be lukewarm to the project and needed a little persuasion.

Conclusion
It is quite obvious that the Revisionists are hunted down in similar fashion as German ‘war criminals’. The fact is that, on the whole, the Germans behaved no worse (and often much better) during the war than both the Russians and the Western Allies. But truth is always the first victim of war and Germany is still suffering occupation and classic ‘Sieger Justiz’.

The Jews need the Holocaust. To serve their national passtime, wailing, to hide their atrocities in Russia, and to pave the way for Zionism.

It is no coincidence that Putin, last year, promised to jail Holocaust deniers for five years. He also outlawed criticizing Stalin’s handling of the war. Both the Russian and German States have a lot to hide from their peoples and cannot allow them to come to terms with what actually happened to them in these dark years.

There is no doubt that the ethnic cleansing of Eastern Europe by the Germans was a brutal affair. Families were ripped apart. Many innocent people were taken from their homes and used as slaves. Many died.

But the idea of an industrial scale genocide through gassing is unsustainable vis a vis the evidence that has been painstakingly put together by Revisionists over the last four decades or so.

The notion that an 86 year old lady like Ursula Haverbeck deserves prosecution, let alone incarcaration, simply for speaking her mind on this most crucial of historical issues, just shows the utter moral bankruptcy of the German State, International Jewry and their many lackeys in the Academia and Media.

Ursula Haverbeck’s basic message is simply that it is time to end this unreal defamation, weighing so heavily on the German people’s soul, and to allow them to mourn, at long last, their many dead.

Post: #452

^^^ In that blog post a writing by David Cole, perhaps as a book, is mentioned:

Quote:A major blow to the official Holocaust narrative was delivered by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole, in the eighties. He interviewed the camp’s management with a hidden camera and they admitted no people were gassed in the supposed ‘gas chamber’ they were showing to tourists. Cole had to go underground after publishing his findings. He made a career for himself in the Republican Party as David Stein, but was outed a few years ago. He wrote an entertaining account of his travails since.

There are no links and no detail of a title. Do you know what writing it refers to? I have tried searching Amazon under 'David Cole' and 'David Stein' and get pages of crap.

EDIT: Duh! It was on the first page! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Republican-Part...00H6UZZKC/

Post: #453

(07-26-2018 03:06 PM)rotekz Wrote:  ^^^ In that blog post a writing by David Cole, perhaps as a book, is mentioned:

Quote:A major blow to the official Holocaust narrative was delivered by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole, in the eighties. He interviewed the camp’s management with a hidden camera and they admitted no people were gassed in the supposed ‘gas chamber’ they were showing to tourists. Cole had to go underground after publishing his findings. He made a career for himself in the Republican Party as David Stein, but was outed a few years ago. He wrote an entertaining account of his travails since.

There are no links and no detail of a title. Do you know what writing it refers to? I have tried searching Amazon under 'David Cole' and 'David Stein' and get pages of crap.

There are still multiple videos of him on Youtube. Some pages back we linked to an "apology" letter that he publishes years later where he stated bluntly that EVERYTHING IS AS THE OFFICIAL HOLOCOUST HISTORIANS HAVE SAID. It was obvious that he had to backtrack publicly.

But he recently seems to have gone on Red Ice, so I guess he does not care anymore at this time:





He has some blog somewhere, but no idea whether it's still online.

Though I might add - there are "debunking" sites out there that display various information to the contrary:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.c...video.html

If anyone wants to take a deep hard look into that site, though this might get quite time consuming.

Post: #454

In the second video above he says he writes for Taki's Magazine. I didn't realise this previously when looking at the site so will go back and check out some of his stuff. The current top article there is one of his. 'The Left Has Made Racism The Practical Choice'.

Post: #455

It turns out David Cole is cucking for Pedowood. They must have corrupted him. Very disappointing. http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/08/holly...mment-form

Post: #456

Ron Unz has come out with a lengthy and well-sourced post about his skepticism toward the official Holocaust narrative.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda...st-denial/

Post: #457

Was just about to post but scorpion has beaten me to it. Shut it down.

Post: #458

That Ron Unz article is possibly the best piece Ive ever read on the denialism debate and its origins. Even better that it's coming from a Jew.

Post: #459

(08-27-2018 08:13 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Ron Unz has come out with a lengthy and well-sourced post about his skepticism toward the official Holocaust narrative.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda...st-denial/

His linked article about David Irving is also quite astonishing:

http://www.unz.com/announcement/the-rema...id-irving/

Agreed with TigerMandingo - Unz has written quite possibly the best pieces on holocaust denialism.

Post: #460

I just spent this weekend reading the American Pravda articles by Ron Unz. I was greatly impressed by his style, consistent citations, and neutral tone.

If even one if those articles is true then this is the biggest blockbuster story of my life, and if his articles all stand correct, which seems quite likely, then this may be the greatest journalistic scoop in the history of the world.

One shudders at the implications.

For a long time I suspected that the so-called conspiracy theorists had some grain of truth to their arguments, and was generally sympathetic. But to see the matter treated with such precision and to see such a compelling case that nearly all of their claims are vindicated, from JFK to 911 to the Holocaust, can this even be true?

Post: #461

David Cole/Stein heavily criticised Ron Unz's holocaust piece and he's the guy with the most expertise that I've seen. The holocaust was real with numbers exaggerated and lots of Auschwitz myths is the summary.

Post: #462

(10-23-2018 05:52 AM)Longshanks Wrote:  David Cole/Stein heavily criticised Ron Unz's holocaust piece and he's the guy with the most expertise that I've seen. The holocaust was real with numbers exaggerated and lots of Auschwitz myths is the summary.

David Cole has been corrupted. They broke him and he's been a cuck for the Cabal ever since. It's very sad that they got him.

American Pravda is quite possibly the GOAT of journalistic series. I'm hoping Ron Unz releases it as a Hardcover book.

Post: #463

I was watching a show about Hitler's inner circle recently.

For some reason, it seems the cartoonish WW2 coverage is going away. Can't get away with cardboard character descriptions of the national socialists anymore. There was even a british historian calling them "national socialists" instead of the ridiculous NATZI label. Can you imagine if historians talking about Stalin kept calling them "commies" or the "red terror"?

In any case, this interesting series also talked about how and when anti-semittism came into the NS party. Hitler, as it turns out, despite being anti-communist/anti-semittic, was not the chief jew hater. That was actually Goebbels. Another interesting tidbit was that Goebbels was a player who bagged numerous actresses. He is usually depicted as a crippled hateful loser. In reality he was very charming. Himmler who supposedly was the big bad guy in charge of the SS and the camps, was far more moderate on the JQ. Put together, it just shows that the cartoonish depiction of national-socialist Germnay doesn't hold up to scrutiny. More research is needed.

Post: #464

In all fairness, none of that is particularly groundbreaking stuff. Goebbels was a fervent anti-semite, and probably the chief one — I know that without watching the doc you did. He also had 2 PhDs, was a great filmmaker, so it also doesn't surprise me that he did well with chicks — especially in an era where being intelligent academically was still a 'DHV', ha. He did have a limp though.

Hitler was much more normal than made out in mainstream TV docs, but history books by non-revisionist historians/mainstream historians acknowledge this. So does Speer in his two diaries, which remain two of my most enjoyable books to ever read. Utterly fascinating, as I've said previously on this thread. Hitler practised theatre acting in order to orate effectively, and boy did it pay off, he's the best populist speaker in history. He was somewhat an isolated, insular character (thus described a a weirdo by mainstream doc makers often), but this is typical with many talented thinkers/performers.

Himmler was a dork on a power trip. Hitler was always embarrassed by his obsession with the esoteric. Middle management-style sycophancy was how he rose to prominence. Heydrich, his subordinate, was far more the fanatic when it came to Jews and exterminating them. By the way nomad, would you mind telling me the series you watched?

Post: #465

The really grounbreaking work was done by Fritjof Meyer in OstEuropa magazine. Meyer actually demonstrated beyond doubt that the maximum figure for the dead at Auschwitz was half a million, not the four million which to this day are claimed. Of which a maximum of 356,000 could have been gassed. He examined the maximum capacity of the crematoria.

The whole Fritjof Meyer saga is here:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Osteuropa..._engl.html

Post: #466

(10-24-2018 01:54 PM)Teedub Wrote:  So does Speer in his two diaries, which remain two of my most enjoyable books to ever read.

Love how this forum knows so much about this kind of history. Like the Goebbels details(PHD's & limp).
But please help point me in the direction of where I can find this Speer guy and his diaries/books.
If you may.

Post: #467

^ Just type Albert Speer into Wiki for his bio, and likewise on Amazon for his books. He was one of Hitler's closest confidants, and eventually head of armnanents (though originally just an architect - his visual creativity appealed to Hitler due to them both being artists at heart). The best one is 'Inside the Third Reich', that he wrote in prison in England. It's quite wordy, and it often feels like an overly-literal translation from German, so it's not always an 'enjoyable' read but more one of academic study. But, much of it is very page-turning, particularly the earlier parts before the Nazis came to power, where he discusses going for meals with Hitler and how Hitler would have to 'get into character' to interact with the general public etc.

Post: #468

(10-24-2018 01:54 PM)Teedub Wrote:  In all fairness, none of that is particularly groundbreaking stuff. Goebbels was a fervent anti-semite, and probably the chief one — I know that without watching the doc you did. He also had 2 PhDs, was a great filmmaker, so it also doesn't surprise me that he did well with chicks — especially in an era where being intelligent academically was still a 'DHV', ha. He did have a limp though.

Hitler was much more normal than made out in mainstream TV docs, but history books by non-revisionist historians/mainstream historians acknowledge this. So does Speer in his two diaries, which remain two of my most enjoyable books to ever read. Utterly fascinating, as I've said previously on this thread. Hitler practised theatre acting in order to orate effectively, and boy did it pay off, he's the best populist speaker in history. He was somewhat an isolated, insular character (thus described a a weirdo by mainstream doc makers often), but this is typical with many talented thinkers/performers.

Himmler was a dork on a power trip. Hitler was always embarrassed by his obsession with the esoteric. Middle management-style sycophancy was how he rose to prominence. Heydrich, his subordinate, was far more the fanatic when it came to Jews and exterminating them. By the way nomad, would you mind telling me the series you watched?

It's this one:





I don't know what I expected, but I'm so used to over the top and incorrect documentaries, that just one being sort of neutral, is good to me. This one is free of the usual derogatory personal insults, but still missing the wider picture in putting it into context with the rise of bolshevism.

I'm partial to Goebbels maniac speeches though. "Wollt ihr den totalen krieg" and "Einmal wird unsere geduld zu ende".

Post: #469

I've always wondered as I got older whether the WW1/2 narrative would loosen. I never actually questioned any of it until I lived through and saw with my own eyes all the blatant lies told during the Gulf Wars; how easily Tony Blair convinced the hesitant public that Saddam was now 'evil' and had WMD's that could hit the UK 'in 45 minutes'. I was still at school and remember everyone changing their minds on the war overnight. If they could lie so easily and effectively over this, then what else have the lied about?

The Iraq Wars, Vietnam, Libya, Syria inevitably gets you thinking about WW2, about how easy it would have been in the 1930's to influence (hell, control) the populace who had nothing but a couple of newspapers and a fucking Radio from which to receive their programming!

I think the advent of the Internet has given us a brief window of opportunity to research alternative opinions and evidence. Though this is an aberration and is being corrected now.

These events are now 70-80 years old and the inability to be able to even question any of it just makes it all the more fascinating; the ultimate Streisand effect (a phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely). A truly free society would never allow any part of history to be out of bounds, the truth should be bullet-proof to rigorous investigation.

I don't even care about the rights and wrongs, I just don't like being lied to or told what I should be thinking. I like even less the fact that so many incredibly brave men died thinking that their grandchildren would live in a better world as a result.

I would love to be able to bring some of them forward in time, show them the UK today and ask them their honest opinions about whether their blood was worth the sacrifice! I wonder what they would truly say. Would make for a fascinating film (in the style of 'Look Who's Back'!)

Coming back to how old these events are; soon it will be inconceivable that events from 100 years ago could still be out of bounds. Imagine a historian in 1950 being told he wasn't allowed to question events surrounding the Crimean War 100 years prior in 1850! Kids soon just won't give a fuck and will question everything, they won't have grandparents alive who fought in the war to keep them on course with the narrative.

I think some of us may yet live to learn a few things that were hitherto kept tightly under-wraps. Trouble is, by the time these new truths leak out nobody from our time will be alive to care and the news will lose its potency. If you can't stop something, delay it.

Post: #470

Sweet Teedub! Thanks.
I have the book "Paris In The Third Reich" and it's pretty good. Want to read more about them, for sure.
Thanks again.

Post: #471

There were more people killed in Paris after the war as retribution
than the Germans killed during their occupation. Just as there
were more Germans killed in Allied concentration camps
between 1945-53 than Jews killed in German camps,
by a factor of 10+.





https://antioligarch.wordpress.com/2012/...ath-camps/

This is what a real death camp looks like: no barracks, toilet facilities,
swimming pool, theater, dining halls, intramural soccer league and field,
library, like the residents of work camps like Auschwitz had, just a bare
open field with little food and no running water where men and
women withered away from the elements. Between 1.5 and 2 million
German POWs died this way in Allied captivity. another 5 million Germans
were killed by the Soviets.

Post: #472

Interesting angle of demography, in case it hasn't been brought up before:

"[Jews] did not disappear in 1941 or 1943, or, 1944, or, 1945. But some 4-5 million Jews disappeared between 1950 and 1955!

This defines an until now undescribed holocaust. If it has been executed in Auschwitz or any other former camp in then Poland, it must be the Soviets or the Poles who are the guilty perpetrators. The basis of this discovery is the estimate of the Jewish world population by the World Almanac, published by the "American Jewish Committee, USA".

From 1933 until 1949, each single volume of the yearly edition invariably estimates 15,000,000 to 18,600,000 Jewish persons worldwide. But in 1950 all of a sudden 4 million disappear, to reappear in 1951 and again disappear in 1955. Jewish figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not.

Jewish Authority Year World Jewish Population
The National Council of Churches, USA 1930 15,000,000
Jewish Encyclopedia, USA 1933 15,600,000
Daily Express (Jewish newspaper) March 24 1933 14,000,000
World Almanac, page 419, American Jewish Committee 1933 15,316,359
World Almanac, page 748 1936 15,753,633
American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council 1939 15,600,000
World Almanac of the American Jewish Committee, USA 1939 15,600,000
World Almanac, page 129 1940 15,319,359
World Almanac, page 510 1941 15,748,091
World Almanac, (Jews include Jews by race not religion) 1942 15,192,089
World Almanac of American Jewish Committee, USA 1945 15,192,089
World Almanac of American Jewish Committee, USA 1946 15,753,638
World Almanac of American Jewish Committee, USA 1947 15,698,259
World Almanac USA, page 748 1947 15,690,000
World Almanac of American Jewish Committee, USA 1948 15,500,000
The New York Times, USA (Jewish newspaper) 1948 15,700,000 -18,600,000
World Almanac, page 289 1949 15,713,638
World Almanac of American Jewish Committee, USA 1950 11,500,000
Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 15,300,000
The National Council of Churches, USA 1951 15,500,000
Encyclopedia Britannica 1955 Book of the Year 1955 11,627,450
1997 World Almanac 1996 14,117,000
1999 World Almanac 1998 14,890,000
2005 World Almanac 2004 14,551,000

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/decalog.htm

Post: #473

@911, this is fascinating stuff. I hate the fact that I feel conditioned to feel guilty for even reading this stuff. It's Orwellian.

Reminds me of when I first read about the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff. I'd never heard of it in my entire life and I thought I was ok general knowledge wise. In fact, when I used to do pub quizzes, we would hear 'What was the largest maritime disaster in loss of life?' question a lot. We knew it'd either be Titanic or Lusitania, depending on which Encyclopedia the quizmaster had.

I had no idea at the time that;

Quote:MV Wilhelm Gustloff was a German military transport ship which was sunk on 30 January 1945 by Soviet submarine S-13 in the Baltic Sea while evacuating German civilians, German officials and military personnel from Gotenhafen (now Gdynia) as the Red Army advanced. By one estimate,[3][4] 9,400 people died, which makes it the largest loss of life in a single ship sinking in history

Post: #474

(10-25-2018 10:24 PM)911 Wrote:  Interesting angle of demography, in case it hasn't been brought up before:

"[Jews] did not disappear in 1941 or 1943, or, 1944, or, 1945. But some 4-5 million Jews disappeared between 1950 and 1955!

This defines an until now undescribed holocaust. If it has been executed in Auschwitz or any other former camp in then Poland (<--huh?), it must be the Soviets or the Poles who are the guilty perpetrators. The basis of this discovery is the estimate of the Jewish world population by the World Almanac, published by the "American Jewish Committee, USA".

From 1933 until 1949, each single volume of the yearly edition invariably estimates 15,000,000 to 18,600,000 Jewish persons worldwide. But in 1950 all of a sudden 4 million disappear, to reappear in 1951 and again disappear in 1955. Jewish figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not.

Apart from the ones who really died on the battlefields of Europe AND in *Palestine, I've always assumed that a large number of "dead" Jews died "on paper" only. They were then "re-born" with new names and identities... in new lands.

There always was some sort of boner over lists and names. And a HUGE boner over the 6 million number, even before WW1, as can be studied in historical newspaper clippings if you have the time.

It's very interesting stuff and a shame that ALL our schools never taught history correctly.

*Polish trained strictly Jewish battalions were sent to Palestine before 1939 during the "Arab Revolt" to clear the area for future Israel.

*Polish meaning in the area of current day Poland, however calling ALL people Polish in that place and in those times is like calling everyone in current day Australia "Australian" when in reality it's multicultural with dozens of nationalities running around and scheming for the benefit of their own people/tribes/families while "the elites" skim off everyone.

Post: #475

(10-25-2018 10:15 PM)911 Wrote:  This is what a real death camp looks like: no barracks, toilet facilities, swimming pool, theater, dining halls, intramural soccer league and field, library, like the residents of work camps like Auschwitz had, just a bare open field with little food and no running water where men and women withered away from the elements.

In case anyone missed it I posted in the JQ thread the documentary 'Other Losses' by James Baque that investigates these US death camps.