Post: #351

(11-27-2017 12:07 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I would recommend everyone listening to this talk by David Irving - start at 01:30 hours where he goes into the Holocoust issue as the other parts are concerned with his personal life.





https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/09/David...er%20.html

Personally I consider the issue whether Hitler knew about the Jewish extermination not overly relevant. It could very well be that Hitler was like a politician not overly anti-semitic. There are historians now out there in Austria who said so about his time in Vienna. Also there are some strange orders and anomalies where he tries to protect the Jewish people at times or calls their treatment in his last will "more humane than the Allied bombings of civilians".

What I find more interesting is the account of Irving and the sources he quotes - deputy commander of Ausschwitz, also other documents regarding the operation Reinhardt as well as deliberate fake documents in the letters especially of Himmler despite the fact that Himmler knew what has been happening.

On Ausschwitz:

+ the total numbers of deaths are estimated to have been up to 300.000 since this was a labor camp. The deputy commander confirms that there was a White House and a Black House where even gas-murders happened when they got a "shipment" of frail, sick or old Jews from the Reich. Then they put in sometimes 200 people into those rooms and used the same gas that was applied for the de-lousing. The massive crematoriums and gas-chambers that you can visit were created in 1948.

+ But - and this is a big but to the so-called real complete irrational revisionists - there were massive extermination camps in the East.



Those camps were part of a deliberate money-grab and extermination operation. Irving found plenty of documents detailing even the numbers of watches, golden teeth, valuables they confiscated before the Jewish people were transported to those 3 major extermination camps. There is nothing to see there as there are only big green patches. But Irving quotes the texts and documents which state that at least 1.2 million Jews were killed in the Operation Reinhardt just in the year 1942. In 1943 the estimates according to the monetary flows are about 1 mio. So even if you assume that the operation was cut short due to the progress of the war in the east, you can easily make the claim that at least 3-4 mio. were systematically targeted and killed in major extermination camps.

...

If 3-4 million Jews were really killed in Operation Reinhardt, there would have been 3-4 thousands movies made about this, and hundreds upon hundreds of graveyards would have been dug up and turned into mausoleums where kids from all over Europe and America would be flown in, there would have been a whole new Holoco-porn tourist circuit to go along with the current one.

About 60 million civilians died in WW2, mostly from famine, disease and bombing.

Post: #352

(01-28-2018 03:44 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What kind of technology/punishment method is this? First time hearing about it, don't think anybody in media or history books mentioned this. What is the impact of this on the official story?

The technology is brainwashing, the punishment is having to listen to it, ad nauseaum as its the only true religion of the west.

When you start talking tall tales, you risk jeopardising the original tale and whatever goodwill you had.





https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8136

Quote:The Belzec camp is underground, an electric crematorium. Here the floor resembled an enormous plate, it sank deep into a pool of water, a powerful electric current of millions of volts killed them all at once. The floor rose again, an electric current burned them until nothing was left, save a few ashes.

- 1946 Eng. ed. of 'Black Book of Polish Jewry',p. 313

Post: #353

(01-28-2018 09:02 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 03:44 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  What kind of technology/punishment method is this? First time hearing about it, don't think anybody in media or history books mentioned this. What is the impact of this on the official story?

The technology is brainwashing, the punishment is having to listen to it, ad nauseaum as its the only true religion of the west.

When you start talking tall tales, you risk jeopardising the original tale and whatever goodwill you had.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8136

Quote:The Belzec camp is underground, an electric crematorium. Here the floor resembled an enormous plate, it sank deep into a pool of water, a powerful electric current of millions of volts killed them all at once. The floor rose again, an electric current burned them until nothing was left, save a few ashes.

- 1946 Eng. ed. of 'Black Book of Polish Jewry',p. 313

This is so ridiculous (on several levels), that anyone that believes in this, should be sent to Auschwitz in the winter to die of cold.

Post: #354

(01-28-2018 01:55 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  After all Hitler did not kill himself when he saw the gas bill, he saw the electricity bill!

"OK, fair enough, we do use more gas than most people". Haha. Thought I'd bring a bit of levity to the discussion, although that was already done with the electricity pit!

Post: #355

Could somebody with good german (native preferably) describe what these documents state? I have found it on a polish site which claims the papers are official source of International Committee of the Red Cross. Supposedly, the total number of deaths in concentration camps was about 270k.

Post: #356

(01-29-2018 04:53 PM)Ruslan Wrote:  Could somebody with good german (native preferably) describe what these documents state? I have found it on a polish site which claims the papers are official source of International Committee of the Red Cross. Supposedly, the total number of deaths in concentration camps was about 270k.

Essentially they are two official documents - one from 1983 - the other from 1977 that gave a list of all the officially confirmed death certificates in the concentration camp of Ausschwitz. They had a special registry office in a nearby town it seems for that.

The dates put by the registry office are the dates until which they have received outstanding documentation - it seems that some additional documents were still being compiled from 1977 to 1983.

Though the first document in the end claims that this is not a complete list of deaths - just a confirmed body count that is documented.

But it is on the same route that David Irving also stated - most concentration camps had excessive documentation - they even sent daily kill-and-death reports to Berlin. So it's really hard to have boosted the numbers from around 300.000 to 3 mio.

Post: #357

I will post this here, because no reason to go to other threads on that - it is an interesting paper countering the Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald.

article:
http://www.unz.com/article/what-the-alt-...bout-jews/

Paper in full:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.100...ltext.html

It's an easy read and frankly I somewhat agree with the guy.

Quote:Conclusion: Evidence Favors the Default Hypothesis, and MacDonald Does Not Represent Evolutionary Psychology
MacDonald claims that several major twentieth-century liberal intellectual and political movements were consciously or unconsciously designed by Jews as part of a group evolutionary strategy to undermine gentile societies while preserving cohesion and continuity among themselves. High intelligence and ethnocentrism are supposedly genetic adaptations that help Jews pursue this strategy. According to the “default hypothesis” proposed in this paper, Jews, having relatively high mean levels of general intelligence and being concentrated in major cities, tend to be overrepresented in cognitively demanding fields, activities, and movements that are not overtly anti-Semitic, regardless of whether they are liberal or conservative. Anticipating this alternative explanation for Jewish overrepresentation in liberal movements, MacDonald seeks to protect his theory from being falsified by evidence that supports the default hypothesis:
As anti-Semitism develops, Jews begin to abandon the very movements for which they originally provided the intellectual impetus. This phenomenon may also occur in the case of multiculturalism. Indeed, many of the most prominent opponents of multiculturalism are Jewish neoconservatives, as well as organizations such as the National Association of Scholars (NAS), which have a large Jewish membership (1988a:313).

After arguing so strenuously that liberal movements were designed to advance a Jewish group evolutionary strategy, he acknowledges that Jews are also in the vanguard in the fight against those same movements.
In recent years, Jews have continued to produce examples favoring the default hypothesis. The most high-profile opponent of liberal activism in social science is, without question, Jonathan Haidt (see Duarte et al. 2015), who is Jewish. The most high-profile advocate of incorporating Darwinism into the social sciences is another Jew, Steven Pinker (e.g., Pinker 2002). The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE)—the most prominent organization that defends free speech on campus, primarily the speech of conservatives—was founded by Alan Charles Kors and Harvey A. Silverglate, both Jewish. There is reason to believe that Jews played a significant role in Donald Trump’s election and, specifically, in his anti-immigration policies (Dolsten 2017). The term “paleoconservative,” referring to a pro-white, pro-Western-tradition political doctrine, was coined by Herbert Marcuse’s PhD student Paul Gottfried, who is Jewish. Gottfried was also the first person to publicly use the term “alternative right” to refer to a race-conscious conservatism that opposes immigration and multiculturalism (Siegel 2016). The only major white nationalist organization that is not anti-Semitic is American Renaissance. Out of the 10 invited speakers at the first American Renaissance conference in 1994, four were Jewish (American Renaissance 2017).

In essence he makes a good case and also criticizes that many intellectuals have chosen not to counter MacDonald's statements. Interesting also that the White advocate think tank American Renaissance has so many Jewish contributors.

To sum up things - to me this makes more sense. This makes more sense in the respect of what can be observed in the world as well as in Israel (initial open borders push there too, marxism reigning there initially, feminism galore, LGBT push galore, water fluoridation only stopped in the 2000s by grass-roots movements, anti-usury money creation even discussed in the Knesset etc.).

Essentially if you have high-IQ intellectual groups set in the liberal cities across the world, then a great number of them would be espousing communist and marxist policies regardless of religion. That explains more what has been happening in Europe even in countries with little Jewish influence - French revolution that was strongly anti-clerical and anti-Christian.

Jews will be obviously over-represented among the globalists since many derived their power out of usury and money-lending which were activities shunned and hated by Christians. Even trade was frowned upon.

In addition I am aware of the usual human group behavior pattern where one group that outperforms another is looked upon as evil. Add to it the pre-eminent occupation with usury and banking, then you have those occasional rampage runs by the majority Christian population:



That also explains the internal wars and conflicts that protestant Christians had in the past with Catholics - Switzerland, Germany etc. The protestant similarly to Jews valued material achievement far more and were quickly outperforming the Catholics - something that created even more conflict than different viewpoints regarding religious lore. It's always easier to scream discrimination towards an outgroup than to focus on what the other group was doing better.

In any case - it's a good read.

Post: #358

I can understand anti-usury purges these days, and we may be headed toward another one.

The conventional wisdom is "don't borrow the money" but you soon realise that between you with 200k and the guy next to you with 200k who's willing to borrow 200k more, he's going to get the house and you're going to be left out in the cold.

That's unfortunately how usury based societies devolve. None can afford anything of value that they don't borrow competitively to own, except then by definition it's the bankers that own everything and they do it without ever producing anything of value while lending imaginary money backed by a mere percentage of that number which is technically owed to the people who keep their money in the bank.

It's about the sweetest deal imaginable if you're a lender. No so much if you're a schmuck.

Hence the regular murderfests.

Post: #359

A minor point, proves nothing, but still:

During my Auschwitz tour, we passed the famous displays of personal items: glasses, shoes and so on.

As we passed the shoes, the tour guide explained that shoes were a common place to hide valuables, so they were confiscated and cut open by the guards. "As you can see", the guide said, "all of these shoes were cut open by the guards". The entire group I was with nodded and murmured in agreement.

The obvious place to hide an item of, say, jewelry in a shoe is in the heel, or in the sole if it is thick enough. I took my time looking at the shoes, and did not see a single one with the heel cut open. Not. One.

Yes, plenty of shoes were open at the toe or sides, and a very few with a split sole (and even then only split a little at the front, not torn all the way off) which is normal for a pair of shoes that were worn to exhaustion (and therefore probably not confiscated), and anyway, there would be no point for a guard to make such a cut when they can just look inside the shoe.

Again, it's a minor point. The striking thing to me was the tour guide could lie so blatantly to a group of adults who were looking right at the shoes, and not one of them expressed anything other than agreement.

Post: #360

(03-20-2018 08:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I can understand anti-usury purges these days, and we may be headed toward another one.

The conventional wisdom is "don't borrow the money" but you soon realise that between you with 200k and the guy next to you with 200k who's willing to borrow 200k more, he's going to get the house and you're going to be left out in the cold.

That's unfortunately how usury based societies devolve. None can afford anything of value that they don't borrow competitively to own, except then by definition it's the bankers that own everything and they do it without ever producing anything of value while lending imaginary money backed by a mere percentage of that number which is technically owed to the people who keep their money in the bank.

It's about the sweetest deal imaginable if you're a lender. No so much if you're a schmuck.

Hence the regular murderfests.

Any country and king of old who had a standing army could implement an interest-free economy. The state issues their entire budget without interest and only is controlled by sound monetary policy so as not to devalue the currency.
In addition that same king having the standing army could create independent banks similar to the Swedish Jak-banks that offer interest free lending for everyone based on your earnings power. Every person should have the right to get one interest-free loan for privately owned real-estate and one loan for "start-in-life-package" when aged 18.

All other loans and credits have to be made with normal usury banking - aka more real estate if you want, business loans, frivolous consumer spending, investments in your education etc.

Sound monetary policy is actually so simple that the economics universities across the world make a deliberate effort to not teach it or even suppress it fully. Or otherwise the next militarized king can implement it very quickly resulting in an economic boom that would be very embarrassing to the usury countries out there.

Post: #361

That paper is not a refutation haha. The gist of the argument can be summed up as "we are overrepresented in leftist movements because we're so smart and the goyim are jealous". Typical Jewish self-congratulating with zero self-introspection. The reason they are trying to "refute" Macdonald now is because the alt-right got big. The previous tactic of simply ignoring his work backfired on them lolz.

Post: #362

Most convincing arguments I have heard.



Part 2

Post: #363

(04-07-2018 07:54 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  Most convincing arguments I have heard.



Part 2

Fantastic work done by him.

Post: #364

< The Jews make the best Holocoust documentaries indeed. Solid work done by that bloke. It is shadowbanned already on Youtube - you can also watch it on Bitchute:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oaQCbV716goE/

Post: #365

/\ Fascinating documentary, thanks.

Post: #366

(04-07-2018 10:49 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < The Jews make the best Holocoust documentaries indeed. Solid work done by that bloke. It is shadowbanned already on Youtube - you can also watch it on Bitchute:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oaQCbV716goE/

Having now watched (and archived) all of this creators videos I can say they are the best I have ever seen. http://www.jewsforhitler.com/

The 'Not So Chosen People' series is jaw dropping, world history at it's finest and has managed to convince me as an agnostic (for now) that the bible is the greatest book ever written. He even explains Genesis in a way that matches geological time, evolution and world history as we know it, one of my biggest bible hang ups removed forever. He also shows how the bible has actually very little to do with Jews and is more the story of the Israelites and *all* our ancestors. Genius.

Another great series covers Russian history and why all modern politics and war are rooted in the Talmuds trying to wipe out Christianity. I can't recommend them highly enough.

Post: #367

< I don't share some of his views about the Nazis - they are a bit too rosy. Many of their steps when supposedly fighting against the Bolsheviks make no sense - the initial plan to exterminate the inferior Slavs for example. The closing of universities and preemptive arrest of intellectuals was such an undertaking that did not make much sense.

But he offers some excellent insights indeed.

Post: #368

Yes that one video 'How a Jew Became a Nazi' gave me the same thoughts. It felt a bit off and doesn't fit too well with the rest.

Post: #369

(04-11-2018 03:05 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 10:49 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < The Jews make the best Holocoust documentaries indeed. Solid work done by that bloke. It is shadowbanned already on Youtube - you can also watch it on Bitchute:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oaQCbV716goE/

Having now watched (and archived) all of this creators videos I can say they are the best I have ever seen. http://www.jewsforhitler.com/

The 'Not So Chosen People' series is jaw dropping, world history at it's finest and has managed to convince me as an agnostic (for now) that the bible is the greatest book ever written. He even explains Genesis in a way that matches geological time, evolution and world history as we know it, one of my biggest bible hang ups removed forever. He also shows how the bible has actually very little to do with Jews and is more the story of the Israelites and *all* our ancestors. Genius.

Another great series covers Russian history and why all modern politics and war are rooted in the Talmuds trying to wipe out Christianity. I can't recommend them highly enough.

He's regularly on a livestream done by on a English guy who uses channel called Brexit Party 1 and 2 (which is where I discovered JFH), that has only has ever a few hundred watching it at any one time, I stumbled on it a few weeks ago by sheer luck due to my other subscriptions which is about when he started livestreaming and he's being doing it everyday since. It crazy how I found him by chance and then a week later you posted his video here!

As a word of warning, his guests are often hardcore and fringe, but varied and eclectic to say the least, there's true freedom of speech going on here, you'll see conspiracy theorists and former airline pilots speaking with guys with Nazi's flags in the background, people dropping out for being called Kike infilitrators, an occasional screaming match about "the dear Furher" while extolling the virtues of veganism. You've also got holocaust revisionists, some little known youtubers talking about immigration in the UK and some people from the alt right like Mark Collett.

It's often hysterical and thought provoking and surreal.


One of the Red Ice videos I posted here has Alfred Scfaeur, a Canadian man who's whose sister is in jail for Holocaust denial in Germany, he's keen on breaking every thought law in Germany because of it and he hangs the swatizka in the background during livestreams, he's a bite the curb sort of fella and he doesn't give a damn.
Insanely fearless, but he's also hilarious beyond belief. One of the best guests, the Dutch pilot, William is also great as well as Brian Ruhe and Jim Rizoli. They're the most level headed.

I don't know how much long they can do it for, way WAY too woke.





This one is fantastic in particular from a week ago, when the mic issues clear up.





1:20:00 for example about how Alfred can be forthright and funny about Angela Merkel.

Post: #370

(09-03-2017 10:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  For context on the source (credit Wikipedia): Raul Hilberg (June 2, 1926 – August 4, 2007) was an Austrian-born Jewish-American political scientist and historian. He was widely considered to be the world's preeminent scholar of the Holocaust, and his three-volume, 1,273-page magnum opus, The Destruction of the European Jews, is regarded as a seminal study of the Nazi Final Solution.





Here's another great example of the "eyewitness testimony" you get from the "survivors":

http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...66327.html

Quote:Yitzhak Ganon was taken to the Auschwitz-Birkenau hospital, where Josef Mengele, the so-called "Angel of Death," conducted grisly experiments on Jewish prisoners.

Ganon had to lie down on a table and was tied down. Without any anesthetics, Mengele cut him open and removed his kidney. "I saw the kidney pulsing in his hand and cried like a crazy man," Ganon says. "I screamed the 'Shema Yisrael.' I begged for death, to stop the suffering."

After the "operation," he had to work in the Auschwitz sewing room without painkillers. Among other things, he had to clean bloody medical instruments. Once, he had to spend the whole night in a bath of ice-cold water because Mengele wanted to "test" his lung function. Altogether, Ganon spent six and a half months in the concentration camp's hospital.

When they had no more use for him, the Nazis sent him to the gas chamber. He survived only by chance: The gas chamber held only 200 people. Ganon was number 201.

Here's another good one: https://www.bucknell.edu/x57001.xml

Quote:Even Josef Mengele, known as the Angel of Death for his cruel medical experiments on Jewish prisoners, checked on Goldfinger's condition after he was condemned to death for allegedly breaking his shovel. The bullet bounced off his skull and lodged in his shoulder, a wound that later became infected.

Goldfinger's last camp was Buchenwald where, on April 10, 1945, he was taken to the woods to be killed. Luckily, an American plane spotted the impending execution and began shooting at the Nazis. The Nazis hid from American fire among the prisoners before sending them back to camp where they were liberated the next day.

And remember: literally the entirety of the Holocaust narrative rests on the reliability of eyewitness testimony. There is zero forensic evidence. There is zero documentary evidence, despite the capture of thousands of tons worth of documents from the Nazi archives and the breaking of Nazi codes during the war. There is zero photographic evidence of a gas chamber. The only evidence provided is the eyewitness testimony of the survivors (the "survivors" of supposed death camps! How does that even make sense to begin with!?). The sheer absurdity of the story grows the further you dig into the details.

I had a good laugh at the quora link BelyyTigr posted. Everything posted there has been thoroughly debunked in this thread (which, of course, he would not lower himself to actually read). My favorite was the guy who posted pictures his grandfather took of some women at a labor camp. Uhh, exactly what the fuck does that have to do with the existence of gas chambers? This is the problem with this subject: it's surrounded by such controversy due to unprecedented social conditioning and brainwashing that people simply can't even begin to think rationally about it. You tell them, "There is no evidence for the existence of gas chambers," and they yell at you, show you a picture of a woman smiling inside a labor camp, call you an anti-Semite and show you the door. It's like, wait, what?

This is basically how it goes, over and over:

Revisionist: There is no evidence for the existence of gas chambers.
Average man: WHAT! You must be joking. There is so much evidence for the Holocaust. How dare you.
Revisionist: Where is the evidence?
Average man: Look, everyone knows the Holocaust happened! It's a fact. Only anti-Semites disagree.
Revisionist: *technical and logical arguments demonstrating beyond reasonable doubt that gas chambers were not used by the Nazis*
Average man: I've seen the pictures! I've been to the camps! How dare you deny their suffering! You are a Nazi!

Every single time. Why? Because 99.99% of the people who "believe" in the Holocaust have done exactly zero research into it. The extent of the average person's Holocaust knowledge is simply a vague collection of keywords (six million Jews, gas chambers, concentration camps, final solution), the film Schindler's List and pictures from textbooks showing piles of emaciated corpses. They just assume there must be all sorts of deep scholarship and indisputable evidence behind it, but never bother to actually look into it themselves. If you do actually look into the supporting evidence for the Holocaust, the vast majority of it is eyewitness testimony (incredibly unreliable, as we have seen) and testimony derived via torture at Nuremberg (totally unreliable). Sometimes they will offer up a spreadsheet or a speech excerpt as proof of genocide. Remember, this was alleged to be an industrial scale death machine responsible for the deaths of over 10 million people. And their proof is...a liberally interpreted spreadsheet, the eyewitness testimony of people who claimed to witness pedal-driven brain-bashing machines and blood geysers spurting from the ground, and the "confession" derived from a Nazi after crushing his testicles and threatening to murder his family. No actual gas chamber. No dead bodies (you'd think they could produce at least one out of the millions). No logistical or technical documentation detailing the extermination program. Nothing. There is simply nothing there. It is a complete house of cards, hence why they criminalize its investigation: get near it and it collapses completely.

If the official history books / novelist versions were true they would have zero need to criminalize and jail people who were "wrong" about it or questioned it. The truth would stand up to investigation. If you think the French Revolution did not happen or Greece does not really exist it is not a crime anywhere in the world. The truth would make a fool of you.

They are so desperate regarding people waking up that they have jailed this songwriter for this cute little video:





And jailed this dangerous old lady as well. Now tell me why they need to do that if the facts would hold up under scrutiny:

Post: #371

For the umpteenth time, I challenge anyone here to find a living PhD historian who supports any of the "revisionist" (i.e. denialist) accounts.

There are zero.

Post: #372

(04-12-2018 06:53 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  For the umpteenth time, I challenge anyone here to find a living PhD historian who supports any of the "revisionist" (i.e. denialist) accounts.

There are zero.

Appeal to authority

Post: #373

(04-12-2018 06:54 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 06:53 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  For the umpteenth time, I challenge anyone here to find a living PhD historian who supports any of the "revisionist" (i.e. denialist) accounts.

There are zero.

Appeal to authority

No. An appeal to authority would be "since all relevant experts think it happened, it must have happened."

I'm saying that all relevant experts hold to the view that the Holocaust happened and six million Jews were exterminated via a combination of gassings, shootings, disease, starvation, and multiple other causes. The implication is a) there's no evidence against the standard view that passes muster and b) there are good reasons why every relevant expert agrees in the standard account.

Post: #374

(04-12-2018 07:00 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 06:54 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 06:53 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  For the umpteenth time, I challenge anyone here to find a living PhD historian who supports any of the "revisionist" (i.e. denialist) accounts.

There are zero.

Appeal to authority

No. An appeal to authority would be "since all relevant experts think it happened, it must have happened."

I'm saying that all relevant experts hold to the view that the Holocaust happened and six million Jews were exterminated via a combination of gassings, shootings, disease, starvation, and multiple other causes. The implication is a) there's no evidence against the standard view that passes muster and b) there are good reasons why every relevant expert agrees in the standard account.

You really believe that after reading through this thread? No further questions?

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Post: #375

(04-12-2018 06:53 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  For the umpteenth time, I challenge anyone here to find a living PhD historian who supports any of the "revisionist" (i.e. denialist) accounts.

There are zero.