Post: #226

Auschwitz death camp has a swimming pool ??

With ladders and stone diving platforms ?
Wow.
I was definetly NOT shown that when I took the official tour.

Something doesn't smell right here.

Post: #227

MacInnes new viewpoints prove once again that no reasonable and intelligent man can research jewry and not come away feeling manipulated.

Post: #228

< Back in the Holocoust movie by Spielberg they had hours of interviews by survivors. Some mentioned the swimming pool, others mentioned the shop they had, the post office and the brothel. Of course it was inhumane and no holiday retreat, but it wasn't a death camp either.

Post: #229

Alternative Facts

Post: #230

LMAO! Look at how nervous Spicer got when that skank reporter asked him to clarify on what he meant. Dude his saw his job and his life flashing before his eyes

Post: #231

Good lord how tiresome it must be to serve the jews.

Post: #232

(02-28-2017 05:08 PM)britchard Wrote:  So the US, British and Canadian soldiers (who are all heroes) are all lying? All the native french people who have told their stories about how the Nazis rounded up and deported Jews are lying? The fact that Hitler/Himmler are on record mentioning the destruction of Jews doesn't convince you?

It seems to me that holocaust denial is some sort of alt-right 'edginess' contest to show how much you know that '(((they)))' control our perception of them.

Try actually reading the thread. Everything you mentioned has been addressed in detail, often multiple times. Feel free to attempt to punch holes in my analyses, or scorpion's, or any of the sources I and others linked.

And incidentally, "revisionism" is the term, not "denial".

Post: #233

The Spicer thing was just looking for an excuse to go after him. I know what he meant (that the Nazis did not use chemical weapons on the battlefield or against civilian populations where they were living; as far as I know that is true, or we would have seen that footage played over and over again, as well as in movies). He was not denying the gas chambers, etc.

Post: #234

(04-12-2017 09:32 AM)Menace Wrote:  The Spicer thing was just looking for an excuse to go after him. I know what he meant (that the Nazis did not use chemical weapons on the battlefield or against civilian populations where they were living; as far as I know that is true, or we would have seen that footage played over and over again, as well as in movies). He was not denying the gas chambers, etc.

The Washington Post calls Spicer "ignorant" and advises him to visit the Holocaust Museum and read Anne Frank

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos...1e9bf21e20

Post: #235

I personally blame Spicer for Masada.

He has no idea what to put on a bagel.

To him, it is just a round sandwich.

Lucky there is the internet to call him out on the suppressed hatred, denial, and projection of his authoritarian personality.

Post: #236

(04-11-2017 07:19 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 05:08 PM)britchard Wrote:  So the US, British and Canadian soldiers (who are all heroes) are all lying? All the native french people who have told their stories about how the Nazis rounded up and deported Jews are lying? The fact that Hitler/Himmler are on record mentioning the destruction of Jews doesn't convince you?

It seems to me that holocaust denial is some sort of alt-right 'edginess' contest to show how much you know that '(((they)))' control our perception of them.

Try actually reading the thread. Everything you mentioned has been addressed in detail, often multiple times. Feel free to attempt to punch holes in my analyses, or scorpion's, or any of the sources I and others linked.

And incidentally, "revisionism" is the term, not "denial".

People have done, repeatedly. But every piece of evidence was dismissed. From quotes from Himmler and his gang being 'out of context', or everyone under him as forced testimonies.

I probably shouldn't, but I will, here's a quote from an older thread which was written by Lizard of Oz:

Quote: scorpion,

The Holocaust has been more extensively documented than any crime in human history.

The "questions" that you raise have been answered again and again. To raise them afresh with mock innocence is disingenuous at best.

I do not believe it should be a crime to deny the Holocaust. That does not mean that denying it is not an outrageous and inexcusable lie.

Apply Occam's Razor to everything and then respond.

Post: #237

Yeah, that's a wild overstatement. You mean people parroted the evidence historians cite without actually digging into it.

And it's for damn sure nobody has actually taken down any of my analyses as factually incorrect. They're pretty detailed, so surely there are threads to pull if my logic and facts are wrong.

I could rehash all the points I already made, but if you actually read the thread in full, including the linked sources, and think the weak tea evidence the historians use is valid, there's no point in further wasting my time.

I didn't come into this thread with an agenda. But I'm not going to pretend to believe in something that is by all evidence a wildly exaggerated event full of impossible and unsupported claims now that I've done several dozen hours of research into it.

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I see you added a quote. So what? Did you expect me to ignore my own expertise, scientific knowledge, and research just because LOZ said I should?

LOZ is simply wrong. It happens.

Post: #238

(04-12-2017 12:54 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  The Washington Post calls Spicer "ignorant" and advises him to visit the Holocaust Museum and read Anne Frank

Censored and various sections "re-written" by her father in a different handwriting after her death.







The original diary looks like a huge cut and paste job









Note the obviously adult old style handwriting and above all - the torn out page below:







A page below in Anne's own girlish young handwriting. Note the radical difference to the other handwriting above:






More pages in Anne's real handwriting below and yet more evidence of cut and paste in the original pages.





The "original" diary closed.
The metal latch strap (on the right) to lock the diary looks like it has been cut off straight with a scissor

Post: #239

Can't believe this is still going. Definitely an eye opener, though not in the way it was intended to be.

(04-12-2017 02:56 PM)weambulance Wrote:  And it's for damn sure nobody has actually taken down any of my analyses as factually incorrect. They're pretty detailed, so surely there are threads to pull if my logic and facts are wrong.
...
I see you added a quote. So what? Did you expect me to ignore my own expertise, scientific knowledge, and research just because LOZ said I should?

What exactly is your area of expertise?

I unsubscribed months ago and was going to let it die, but since it hasn't I'll post the reply I was considering back then. As one of the most prolific posters in this thread I believe it's important to show the mindset you come from. You repeatedly comment on things you have no idea about as if they're logical rebuttals, and ignore actual logic. I'll pick up where I left off to prove that point.

(01-03-2017 12:37 PM)weambulance Wrote:  So why not use steam? Just as an example. Plenty of wood around, plus they had plenty of coke for the crematoria. Was water hard to come by, especially nonpotable water? I doubt it. So why not use steam? Boilers would've been easy to come by, as they were commonly used for household heating for 50+ years by the 1930s.

If you flood a room full of people with pressurized steam, they're all toast in about a minute. It would be horrifyingly painful, but so quick it would probably be more humane than slowly killing them with CO2, letting them go nuts from the panic reaction, each feeding off the hysteria of the rest, the strong trampling the elderly and the young while trying to escape...

You massively overestimate the capacity of a water boiler. Go toggle the release valve of yours and watch how much you get out of it, you'd be lucky if you could kill one person holding them down right underneath it. Plug the release and crank it up and you'd get a single big boom, but very little usable steam. To kill a roomful of people with steam would require an absolutely enormous boiler to be custom welded for the task, tons of metal transported, specialized construction techniques, high strength piping, valves, gauges, etc. Let's break down your proposed fuel sources - coal and wood. 33% and 66% less energy dense than diesel respectively. Not just that - when you turn up the flow of flammable gas the flames increase but the only way to turn up the heat with solid fuel is to add a blower. So now we're going to need to design and fabricate a blower to get the solid fuel you want to use up to a workable temperature. Did you know that you can't cut down a tree and throw it on a fire? Wood needs to season for at least six months in the sun if it's been cut and split before it's ready for combustion, or 12+ months in log length. Or perhaps you propose building a kiln to dry out the wood for this simple execution setup of yours?

Now contrast this with the method you're attempt to tear apart - drive a captured soviet tank over to an existing barn, add a 90* elbow and 10' of piping, board windows of the barn and fire it up. Instant death for a huge roomful of people, under $20.

Do you recognize the mental gymnastics you're going through to try to find reasons to believe Rense and IHR here?

(01-03-2017 12:37 PM)weambulance Wrote:  Or why not use simple asphyxiation? Seal the place well enough, lower the ceiling to 78 inches to minimize air volume, cram them in and bar the door shut. Why waste a bunch of diesel on your Rube Goldberg execution chamber when you can let them suffocate without wasting anything?

I already provided calculations showing that asphyxiation wasn't as quick or certain as gas, even in a completely airtight room. Secondly, making a room completely airtight keeps coming up as if it's no big deal. You've never tried to do it, I have. I work in construction and have built several controlled atmosphere rooms. They're not overly difficult but the process is hugely involved, special sealants in multiple layers, metal profiles, special primers, special paint... Oxygen seeps through everything, and one little hole and the nitrogen generators will be running constantly.

Once again, compare to the diesel engine. Starting to see why it seemed feasible to them and your ideas did not?

I still remember the thread that started this one - "Drama in the alt right" and you were very active there as well, defending Baked Alaska for anti-semetic comments and castigating Cernovich for severing ties with him. We get it - you don't like Jews and you don't want the Holocaust to be true. It's no coincidence that nearly every poster in this thread has a history of an overuse of ((())).

I don't care one way or the other about Jews any more than I do for most other groups - some are cool, some are shitheads. I do care about seeing the forum devolve into flat Earth conspiracy theories at the expense of logic and science, while discrediting everything we've worked so hard to create here to what might be an otherwise receptive audience.

The Holocaust is the most documented crime in history, and it takes a special kind of sucker to believe denialist websites that tell people they can huff on the tailpipe of a Soviet tank for 30 minutes and be no worse for the wear, over volumes of painstakingly examined evidence which would fill warehouses.

(04-12-2017 03:06 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Note the obviously adult old style handwriting and above all - the torn out page below:
...
A page below in Anne's own girlish young handwriting. Note the radical difference to the other handwriting above:

Are you a handwriting expert? Are you fluent in German? I'm neither but it's probably safe to say that a few people who are have checked the diary over the years and come to a different conclusion than you did.

Think back to middle school. There were two types of handwriting that were taught to us, one we all still use and one we only used for a few years after learning it. I still remember writing in both around the house to keep in practice - print and cursive. Damn that Occam's razor.

Post: #240

(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  The Holocaust is the most documented crime in history

Lol.

You disqualify everything you claim by such a statement.

The only, and I repeat ONLY, written evidence of the Holocaust is a line and a half from the Wansee protocols. And that line and a half doesn't even mention extermination at all.

Remember, the Holocaust is not only that jews and others were killed in the camp, but the industrialized planned genocide of the jews.

Post: #241

(((Gorgiass)))

I'm kidding, brother

At this point, I say we make a compromise with Jews. No more Holocaust revisionism, denialism, questioning it etc. We'll accept every fact that has ever been documented in exchange for them shutting the fuck up about it.

I think it's time to admit that Jews have squeezed every possible bit of sympathy from this event.

Post: #242

(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 03:06 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Note the obviously adult old style handwriting and above all - the torn out page below:
...
A page below in Anne's own girlish young handwriting. Note the radical difference to the other handwriting above:

Are you a handwriting expert? Are you fluent in German?

This shows your poor understanding of the subject.
The diary is written in Dutch, not German.

And actually yes, I am a handwriting expert.
I have studied several hundreds of different handwriting styles from the 1700s (many written in Latin with quill pens on sheepskin parchment paper) all the way to the present day, with an emphasis on the styles in use before the 1950s, because I had to read thousands of old handwritten documents and personal letters. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about when I say there are at least 2 different people (of vastly different ages from different generations of scholastic instruction on how to write) creating that diary text.

Her father re-edited the whole thing and removed all attraction to boys and other sexual subjects Anne used too write about.
Even the "experts" admit that much.

Post: #243

(04-12-2017 08:52 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  The Holocaust is the most documented crime in history

Let me preface here a bit by saying that my family is intermarried with Jews, I have Jewish ancestors and I personally have nothing against the Jewish people, frankly consider most Jews our allies on literally anything. I am even pro Israel if that matters.

Still - the most documented aspect is this:

1) The Holocoust is so well-documented that an obvious swimming pool at Ausschwitz is viewed as a basin for fire purposes

2) The Holocoust is so well-documented that David Irwing (who had been a celebrated famous historian before his Hitler book) when researching the Holocoust and asking historians where they have their claims from - he noticed that literally everyone was saying that they base their "research" on a book written by another guy. He said that the top 12 "experts" never bothered to even once ask and verify facts, but just copied from each other.

3) The Holocoust is so well documented they did not check that the gas chambers color the walls blue and only one small place there had that color - it was the place where they gassed the masks to get free from lice.

4) The Holocoust is so well documented that they did not bother to check the daily German reports from the concentration camps which detailed exactly how many were shot, died from disease (the majority), or otherwise killed. The lists were exact in Germanic fashion and copies of those can be viewed in Berlin.

5) The Holocoust is so well documented that it did not bother them when the completely intact concentration camp found only one place which was supposedly destroyed by the Germans - the shower gas chambers and incinerators. Those were just reconstructed by the Russians because the Germans while not destroying anything took a specific interest in destroying those areas.

6) The Holocoust is so well researched that they never even checked how much coal would be truly needed for the burning to ashes of even one human. They did not check to bother to find out that if they even had 20% of the stated killing numbers, then the concentration camp would have been one of the most coal-intensive enterprises in the Reich which obviously would have to be given top-priority and the amounts of coal needed would have been staggering - also never documented.

There are other matters which make many points stated in the official history books suspect.

Fact is that millions of Jews died in the war, but they did not die in the way portrayed. Was it inhumane, was it cruel and terrible? Yes, but the truth is somewhere in the middle. Hitler and the Nazis were not wonderful peaceful nationalists, but they were not utterly mad mass murderers either who came up with cruel extermination tactics - at least some major especially Hollywood-esque parts of the story are untrue.

The communist Russian Gulags were probably on equal footing and exterminated far greater number of people, but no one talks about them.

Post: #244

Could you clarify point no. 3? First time I am hearing about Zyklon B coloring the walls of chambers.

Post: #245

(04-13-2017 03:36 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Could you clarify point no. 3? First time I am hearing about Zyklon B coloring the walls of chambers.

Cannot find the video, but David Cole in the 1990s was in Ausschwitz and you can watch him in one his documentaries. The gas used back then creates a strong distinctive blue discoloration of the walls that goes way beyond paint-deep. Also the chamber is rather small in Ausschwitz and hermetically sealed like in a submarine - has to be, which is another point of contention - the shower area has way too many potential leaks. Germans would have risked poisoning themselves.

And frankly I don't see the point with those discussions. In my opinion herding folk together, shaving their heads, partly separating them from their families, then when supplies run out still keeping them locked up while everyone in the final months was starving - all of that is terrible enough in my book. Couple that with a the usual psychopaths who like being in those kind of places and you have a terrible real account. Maybe it wasn't meant to be that bad and in the beginning there was a store, a cinema, a swimming pool, activities, but it certainly became ever more hellish over time.

The prison experiments done in tests certainly prove that those kind of environments don't bring the best out of folk - especially when supplies run low in later times, this is getting super-nasty and terrible:



Now all the Big Boys went and made it look much much worse adding Hollywood hook-points. But I guess it fulfilled the goal so no surprise.

In addition you have "forgotten" historical accounts of Jewish-led revenge concentration camps in Poland where the communists rounded up innocent Poles and a few (also mostly innocent) Germans and invited concentration camp survivors to take out their anger on them. At least the positive thing is that after a time the leading Jews saw no sense in torture and simply left one after another. Some even actively stopped it after a couple of months.

Shit happens in history. It is in my opinion more important to first uncover the truth, then admit errors and then make amends. The Germans certainly did that more than enough. There are other nations and tribes in the world that don't admit anything, don't even give a fuck, deny everything and claim innocence (Turks about the Armenian genocide, Muslims over the massive slave trade for over a millennia etc.).

Even communist Russians admit that massive atrocities have been committed during the Stalin era and beyond.

I just hate it when something is based on additional lies and people who already make amends are still bashed over some matter (Germans) while others don't even give a fuck and are left in peace (Turks).

Post: #246

Jews have lied about lots of things (feminism, communism etc.) - I don't see why it's so hard for people to believe that they would lie about this as well.

Post: #247

(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Can't believe this is still going. Definitely an eye opener, though not in the way it was intended to be.

Wow, you really put me in my place.

And, I'm not going to give you my life story. You can worry about the facts of what I'm saying, not whether or not I have experience running my own Nazi death camp, since that's probably the only level of credential you would accept given your certainty about what happened in the holocaust.

Boilers:

Your claim that boilers can't put out much steam is, to put it kindly, absolutely absurd. Sorry. Maybe your shitty radiant heating boiler doesn't. Prolly cause it's, you know, designed to be safe against people being idiots. You know what they had in Germany? Bigass industrial high pressure boilers. Do you know what a steam locomotive is? Because they were still using those. Yep, I'm sure it would be a real nightmare for Germans to build the mysterious boiler over a century after the design they needed was invented, still in common use, and still in production for locomotives and industrial plants and naval vessels even if they didn't want to just go pick one up from somewhere.

You have a serious misunderstanding of the dangers of steam as well. Are you familiar with the safety issues surrounding high pressure steam in industrial work? I assume not. Hey, look, three seconds on google found me a recent case where a burst radiator pipe killed some little girls. Horrible.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bron...-1.2903967

But yeah, that steam ain't no thang, right?

http://www.marineinsight.com/case-studie...ses-death/

Gosh, those nervous nellies. They have nothing to worry about. It's just steam.

http://articles.mcall.com/1990-10-31/new...am-sailors

What were those sailors thinking, dying like that? Didn't they know it was just steam?!

Do you know the expansion ratio of steam, by the way? It's 1:1700. That means one cubic inch of water produces 1700 cubic inches of steam. How much water do you need to boil to fill a 100x100x7.5' room with unpressurized steam?

76235 cubic inches, which is 330 gallons. That's more or less what a steam locomotive uses for a single mile of travel at speed. The rooms I've seen that were "used for mass killings" were smaller than 100x100 feet, and much of the space in the room would be full of human bodies, so you wouldn't need anywhere near the full 330 gallons worth of water turned into steam. Still think it's inconceivable to use steam? Or do you even disagree that if you place a person in a room full of nothing but steam, he's going to very quickly die?

In fact, with the boiler pressure up and a pressure tank, they could've killed people as fast as they could be loaded and unloaded from the room. And it would've been a lot easier to make the room safe for people to enter than if they'd used poison gas, whether it was CO or cyanide. A couple commonly-available mine ventilation fans run for a minute or two and the room would've been safe, if warm and wet.

Shit, steam is even more efficient for mass killings than I thought it was when I first made my off the cuff proposal months ago.


On fuel

You can't run tanks on wood or coal, dude. You don't waste a strategic asset in wartime if it's substitutable, even if the substitute is not as good objectively. What, they couldn't press some of their prisoners into cutting down trees? They couldn't buy some seasoned wood from a nearby lumber operation? And locomotives were run on coal and wood for a goddamn century so obviously you can fire a steam boiler just fine that way.

Jesus, you make the simplest stuff sound like it's complicated to do.

And hey, I have an answer for your wood seasoning thing too, if they were cutting their own wood. The really amazingly shocking answer is, holy shit, they could've just waited a year after cutting it to start work. The only time you have to wait for wood is the first year. After that, you're always cutting the next year's wood this year. Source: I have a remote cabin that relies on wood heat in the winter. I've cut a metric fuckton of wood in my life.

Wasn't this some long-thought-out plan? You mean to tell me the German military leadership couldn't foresee needing to cut some damn wood a year ahead of time? Or just use coal for the first year, then wood after that.


Airtight structures:

First, they don't need to be airtight per se because people are consuming the oxygen. Do you think some pinholes are going to feed oxygen to hundreds of people? Obviously that's not going to work out. Do you think a mass of people can persist indefinitely on a tiny bit of oxygen diffusing in through small leaks?

How quickly the people will die in such a situation depends on the how densely they're packed, and how panicked they are. Yeah, they won't die in a couple minutes unless you pack them in tight with some kind of hydraulic ram. But they might not need to. More on that in a bit.

Second, they can build gas chambers that are safe to work around with lethal chemicals that kill at low concentration exposure, but they can't build a sufficiently airtight room...?

Jeez, and you attack my logic.

What's more efficient than just cramming people in a room and letting their own respiration kill them? Don't gotta waste wood, coal, diesel, or pesticide that way! That's German efficiency right there.

Further, they had limited space in the crematoria. It takes awhile to burn a body, as I already detailed in one of my other posts (and linked to a good source as well). So there's little point in killing more people than you can burn. Dead bodies lying around are undesirable. So it doesn't matter if it's not super quick to make people asphyxiate in an enclosed space if they just die fast enough to keep your crematoria fed.

So is asphyxiating people by packing them in a fairly airtight room and letting them die a viable solution? It absolutely is. It's absurd to claim otherwise. If you jam people into a building with 12 inch concrete walls and a steel door, jam them so tight they can barely move, there's nothing left to do but wait. There is no possibility at all that they won't die eventually.

Speaking of crematoria, I see you didn't challenge the fact that the crematoria would've had to be rebuilt a bunch of times to burn so many bodies, and there's no evidence that actually happened. Why not? Seems like a pretty huge thing to worry about, since it's a critical part of the story.


((()))

I've never written that in my life.

I am, however, shocked that in any thread where I criticize or question anything to do with Jews and their trials and tribulations I'm branded an anti-semite. Couldn't have seen that coming!

Observation is not wishfulness, but that distinction seems to be one of the hardest for humans to grasp.

Perhaps I criticize the holocaust narrative because it's such a huge lie? Perhaps the fact that it is the single reason people trot out to shit all over nationalism annoys me? Nah. I must be an anti-semite.

Also, I excoriated Cernovich at the time because he was acting like a clown, whitewashing his history, and obviously on his own side only, ready to throw people like us to the wolves as soon as it benefited him personally. I thought I made that clear by saying it about thirty times across several different threads. Perhaps if you didn't read everything I wrote through a lens of your own biased interpretation you would've grasped my message. I rarely indulge in subtlety here. I say exactly what I mean.


On holocaust "best examined crime in history" claim:

Er, no. It isn't. Or I would've found big huge piles of real evidence when I went looking. I made a point of saying that there's a distinct lack of evidence for many claims, and I didn't make that up. As I already stated, the holocaust story is built on testimony, not physical evidence. It it was built on evidence, I doubt it would've shrunk in scale so dramatically over the decades. One would think if:

A. the Nazis hid the evidence and
B. people were constantly looking for more

then the scale of the holocaust atrocities would increase, not decrease, as formerly-unknown death camps were found, new mass graves unearthed, etc. That is not at all how it has gone.

Did you apply Occam's Razor to that, yet?

And I'm not going to rehash the areas where I found missing evidence. You obviously have not read my posts in detail with an open mind.

Here's one data point, though: the first archaeological study of Treblinka just started in 2007. Most studied event ever! Yeah!

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Keep banging on about Occam's Razor if you want. That is amazingly lazy thinking. I did the research and math. You didn't. End of story.

And nice try on the personal digs. It must suck when your attempt to expose someone else's ignorance only exposes your own.

Though frankly, I doubt you're actually ignorant. I think you are the one going through mental gyrations to "disprove" the challenges to the holocaust narrative. The alternative is you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Can't tell which it is.

Post: #248

(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Can't believe this is still going. Definitely an eye opener, though not in the way it was intended to be.

[snip]

(04-12-2017 03:06 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  Note the obviously adult old style handwriting and above all - the torn out page below:
...
A page below in Anne's own girlish young handwriting. Note the radical difference to the other handwriting above:

Are you a handwriting expert? Are you fluent in German? I'm neither but it's probably safe to say that a few people who are have checked the diary over the years and come to a different conclusion than you did.

Think back to middle school. There were two types of handwriting that were taught to us, one we all still use and one we only used for a few years after learning it. I still remember writing in both around the house to keep in practice - print and cursive. Damn that Occam's razor.

It seems the official consensus is that her father did write part of it. Not coincidentally, this was only recognized very recently, in order to retain copyright privileges.

http://www.history.com/news/anne-franks-...-copyright

Post: #249

(04-12-2017 08:52 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 08:30 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  The Holocaust is the most documented crime in history

Lol.

You disqualify everything you claim by such a statement.

Says the guy who begins his argument with LOL. You sure you don't want to throw a few ((())) into that? That's like, totes the second longest paragraph I've seen you write without using them.

(04-12-2017 09:03 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  (((Gorgiass)))

I'm kidding, brother

At this point, I say we make a compromise with Jews. No more Holocaust revisionism, denialism, questioning it etc. We'll accept every fact that has ever been documented in exchange for them shutting the fuck up about it.

I think it's time to admit that Jews have squeezed every possible bit of sympathy from this event.

Sign me up. Right after peace in the middle east. But in the meantime...

(04-13-2017 12:40 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  And actually yes, I am a handwriting expert.
I have studied several hundreds of different handwriting styles from the 1700s (many written in Latin with quill pens on sheepskin parchment paper) all the way to the present day, with an emphasis on the styles in use before the 1950s, because I had to read thousands of old handwritten documents and personal letters. So yeah, I know what I'm talking about when I say there are at least 2 different people (of vastly different ages from different generations of scholastic instruction on how to write) creating that diary text.

That was a two part question, and I'm assuming from your dodge that you are't fluent in German, or Dutch. I wrote that I wasn't an expert already, and at least I was fully upfront about it.

But even as someone who doesn't speak the language, you could certainly break it down better than that. Tell us what the hundreds of other certified experts who weren't just an avatar on the web missed that you caught. Because when you claim to be an expert but the best evidence you throw up is a page of print next to a page of cursive and call one "obviously adult old style", to me that reeks of either deception or ignorance.

(04-13-2017 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  And, I'm not going to give you my life story.

You were the one touting your "expertise". Now you don't want to pony up the goods all of a sudden? Seems legit. But I can go snark for snark all day if you really want to.

(04-13-2017 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  Your claim that boilers can't put out much steam is, to put it kindly, absolutely absurd
...
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bron...-1.2903967

But yeah, that steam ain't no thang, right?

Nice job with the reframe! Looks "like" it's working for you, at least among the readers attracted to a thread like this. I never said steam couldn't kill, and in fact I specifically said it could with a massive boiler. Like say...the kind of boiler used to heat an entire apartment building venting through a blown radiator into a small room with young children perhaps? Killer example, thanks for that.

Now compare the effort to get this room-sized boiler set up in a lethal fashion vs the effort to get a mobile diesel engine set up in a lethal fashion. Also consider what an enormous functioning boiler might have been used for in wartime, and whether taking it out of service to steam the skin of Jews would be a good business decision. You were very specifically putting this forth as a more sensible alternative for execution than a diesel gas chamber and the smart money says it isn't.

You are now doubling down on this absurd position, not because it's viable, but because you would rather believe any harebrained story over the mainstream facts. And thus was born denialism and a host of other nearly as foolish conspiracy theories.

(04-13-2017 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  Shit, steam is even more efficient for mass killings than I thought it was when I first made my off the cuff proposal months ago.

No doubt. This is the Backfire Effect, and this thread is rife with it! I don't kid myself that my replying here will make you forget what that rabbi did to you. I reply for those who might be on the fence and indeed, for the very dignity of the forum. Damn RVF for bringing out my inner whiteknight

But in all seriousness, do you realize why so many anti-Trump articles try to tie him in with the alt-right, and in your previous article's case, crackpot David Irving? Because the denialist movement is so extreme and so absurdist to 99.9% of Earth's population not suffering from severe cognitive biases or deficits, every successful tie-in brings Michelle Obama closer to victory in 2020. That's really the goal you're working towards here, and the one I'm working against.

(04-13-2017 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  You can't run tanks on wood or coal, dude. You don't waste a strategic asset in wartime if it's substitutable, even if the substitute is not as good objectively.
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And hey, I have an answer for your wood seasoning thing too, if they were cutting their own wood. The really amazingly shocking answer is, holy shit, they could've just waited a year after cutting it to start work.

Cutting wood one year ahead of time for your steam chamber vs sacrficing a few gallons of diesel for instant gratification. Tough call, but chew on it for a bit. Did you know that the entire German ground fleet and nearly all the air fleet ran on gasoline, so diesel wasn't as much of a hot commodity as you seem to think it is? Answers a lot of the questions here regarding resources, doesn't it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't being deliberately deceptive and simply didn't know, since you were so kind to do the same for me regarding my ignorance.

(04-13-2017 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  Second, they can build gas chambers that are safe to work around with lethal chemicals that kill at low concentration exposure, but they can't build a sufficiently airtight room...?

Jeez, and you attack [i]my logic.

Once again, effort involved in purpose building a passably airtight underground concrete chamber vs the effort to park a diesel next to a leaky wodden barn and turn it on. That was what this discussion was about before you attempted the reframe – efficiency of labor and materials in wartime - right? Or do you only play that card when it suits your purposes, eg, those recently discovered German diesels above?

(04-13-2017 07:11 AM)weambulance Wrote:  Er, no. It isn't. Or I would've found big huge piles of real evidence when I went looking. I made a point of saying that there's a distinct lack of evidence for many claims, and I didn't make that up.

You couldn't find piles of evidence for the Holocaust in your exhaustive search?? Man, that is rich! Google-Fu is weak in this one... Anyway, every time I see this thread I think of Eisenhower's famous quote after the tour he took.

Supreme Allied Commander and future "anti-military-industrial-complex" President Eisenhower Wrote:I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops the tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.”

Was Ol' Ike was "simply wrong" too? Man, you must have some kind of expertise! General Patton accompanied him on the tour, and word is that even this man, who oversaw the storming of the beaches of Normandy, refused to enter one of the rooms saying that he would be sick if he did. He was probably just so disgusted by the complete lack of evidence.

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Saw this old German news vid from 1948. Keep in mind that Allied Command was supervising everything and no news reel was allowed to be aired that did not have US stamp of approval.

They speak of 300.000 proven deaths in Ausschwitz for the entire duration.
That coincides with the daily reports that the concentration camp commanders had to send to Berlin daily - also the reports were researched by David Irwing.

It was on average 100 deaths - 1/3 illness, 1/3 old age/duress, 1/3 executions.

The news reporters did not think the numbers were low, but considered them terrible. And indeed they were - a solid number of course among them were Poles, gypsies, gays, political prisoners etc.

Actually Irwing found that more Jews died during the Eastern Blitzkrieg where entire villages of Jews were massacred - partly with enthusiastic help of native Ukrainians and Russians who were previously slaughtered by mostly Jewish Communis commissars.

Ah well.... messy stuff.