Post: #1

I came across this posted by a commenter on Zerohedge - http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/isaiah.htm

It was written (as far as I can tell) in the early 1960's and is apparently based on a tale from the book of (((Isaiah))). So it was probably a parable to Jews to keep the faith but I am struck by how it resonates with how we have seen the red-pill truth preserved and developed over the last few years, waiting for it's time to come. It talks of how a small core of individuals who hold to a set of virtuous truths are able to make a whole culture pivot.

Interestingly it also speaks to how futile it is to try to convince everyone of our message. It's not that it won't work - just that it's not necessary. The 'core' is referred to as the Remnant and the rest as the 'masses'. It characterizes these two groups;

Quote: What do we mean by the masses, and what by the Remnant?

As the word masses is commonly used, it suggests agglomerations of poor and underprivileged people, laboring people, proletarians. But it means nothing like that; it means simply the majority. The mass-man is one who has neither the force of intellect to apprehend the principles issuing in what we know as the humane life, nor the force of character to adhere to those principles steadily and strictly as laws of conduct; and because such people make up the great, the overwhelming majority of mankind, they are called collectively the masses. The line of differentiation between the masses and the Remnant is set invariably by quality, not by circumstance. The Remnant are those who by force of intellect are able to apprehend these principles, and by force of character are able, at least measurably, to cleave to them. The masses are those who are unable to do either.

The Remnant are

Quote: to be encouraged and braced up because when everything has gone completely to the dogs, they are the ones who will come back and build up a new society

It talks of how this core is hard to target, hiding in plain sight;

Quote:You do not know, and will never know, who the Remnant are, nor where they are, nor how many of them there are, nor what they are doing or will do.

And, importantly, it articulates the dynamic in play now as we see the first concrete signs (Brexit, Trump, stc) of the 'Remnant' returning to start the rebuilding.

Quote:Most interesting of all are those instances, if one could only run them down (but one may always speculate about them) where the recipient himself no longer knows where nor when, nor from whom he got the message or even where, as sometimes happens, he has forgotten that he got it anywhere and imagines that it is all a self- starting idea of his own.

Such instances as these are probably not infrequent, for, without presuming to enroll ourselves among the Remnant, we can all no doubt remember having found ourselves suddenly under the influence of an idea, the source of which we cannot possibly identify. ``It came to us afterward,'' as we say; that is, we are aware of it only after it has shot up full- grown in our minds, leaving us quite ignorant of how and when and by what agency it was planted there and left to germinate.

The take-away is something I have felt and seen others articulate in the 'shpere; the Red Pill cannot be prescribed - it has to be sought. Introduce it whenever you can, but don't try to ram it down other's throats. If they want to know more, they will let you know - not always immediately, but eventually. And it is interesting, I think, that stories and fables of a 'quest for truth' seems common to all human cultures across geographies and times. Most seem to start with the protagonist seeking something unknown. There is something fundamental to the human spirit in it - the Red Pill is just the latest iteration of it. Some aspects of human nature are clearly simply timeless.

So, I guess, we all need to be the 'prophet' the piece talks about (although 'advocate' would be a better term, I think). Save those you can but don't sweat the ones you can't - because this will be enough. This war is won by setting the frame, defining the idea that 'influences'. We don't need to conquer masses of territory to win, just the high ground. Get that bit right and the 'masses' will follow.

Post: #2

Cadders - considering your low post count this is an pretty damn good start to a new thread.

Many of us only came to the red pill after total and utter defeat in life, and/or after years of great pain and inner suffering.
Had we been offered the red pill when we were happy or simply content we never would have accepted it and most probably would have dismissed it outright.

Post: #3

It's not the quantity of Cadders' posts that interests me, it's the quality. I've read through some of his stuff, and it's top notch stuff. You're definitely in the right place, and I hope you'll continue posting here.

I do agree that the red pill must be sought, not prescribed. Truly, it seems we must be broken before we're able to be healed. We must reach a point where we're suffering but can no longer stomach being comforted by pretty lies. The only cure is the ugly truth, the red pill. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the only treatment that works.

Post: #4

Thanks for the kind words chaps - clearly I need to have a dig around in this forum a bit more.

I think most men discover the red pill via some variation of the question; 'What the fuck is wrong with modern women?!?!'

How far down the rabbit hole these men go is up to them as individuals, but where-ever they go, it appears they all - to some degree or another - end up becoming part of, or supporting the 'Remnant'. And given how many broken women feminism has now furnished us with, and how increasingly difficult it is for the mainstream to ignore, excuse or defend their brokenness, the supply of such men is only going to increase. The dam the liberal left have built to contain the red pill truths is breaking.

I hold no illusions that the path from here on out will be chaotic, messy and even dangerous. But for the first time in two decades, I find I can wish people a Happy New Year and mean it.

Post: #5

Quality post and quality article cited. The red pill is less a magical answer to a question and more a flash light in the darkness. A flash light on a mid summers day is of no use to you. In the dungeon that life can become though? It's a god send. I think on your journey to figuring out who you are as a man, you find it most in challenges. That break up, that betrayal, that lack of options is really you with your back against the wall. Great advances in civilization happen under dire straits. A google search or two can change a life, and stop a man from killing himself. Some men find RVF, Aaron Cleary, Tariq Nasheed or heartiste. Others in their despair book a flight to Aleppo and pray for 72 virgins. I'm glad I did the former and found the truth I was looking for in desperate times. Happy New Year Cadders.

Post: #6

I found this article/story very useful, particularly this part:

Quote:The main trouble with this [mass-man approach] is its reaction upon the mission itself. It necessitates an opportunist sophistication of one's doctrine, which profoundly alters its character and reduces it to a mere placebo. If, say, you are a preacher, you wish to attract as large a congregation as you can, which means an appeal to the masses; and this, in turn, means adapting the terms of your message to the order of intellect and character that the masses exhibit. If you are an educator, say with a college on your hands, you wish to get as many students as possible, and you whittle down your requirements accordingly. If a writer, you aim at getting many readers; if a publisher, many purchasers; if a philosopher, many disciples; if a reformer, many converts; if a musician, many auditors; and so on. But as we see on all sides, in the realization of these several desires the prophetic message is so heavily adulterated with trivialities, in every instance, that its effect on the masses is merely to harden them in their sins. Meanwhile, the Remnant, aware of this adulteration and of the desires that prompt it, turn their backs on the prophet and will have nothing to do with him or his message. The Remnant want only the best you have, whatever that may be. Give them that, and they are satisfied; you have nothing more to worry about....

It's not easy to accept, but most of us here probably already suspect we're not ever going to be the mainstream, even though we still hope. Movements that overlap with my goals sufficiently get my support but make no mistake, there is always something to disagree with about them.

Now that I've become known as a "trump supporter" it's expected of me to defend and praise every single thing he says, but as much as I like him and the movement he represents, I just can't do that. I don't agree 100% with anybody, and the reality is that his message was tailored to win the worlds largest popularity contest, not to be perfectly aligned with me and my own unique blend of opinions. This movement was "unthinkable" a few months ago, but is, and will continue to be, normalised as time progresses. Whether through 'hijacking' or 'populism' it will become more corrupted.

As a rule, the closer something becomes to 'mainstream' the more I find to dislike about it, and I expect this would be a sentiment shared by many on the forum, with its disproportionate number of NTJ personality types. This is one of the sub-headings for my personality type (INTJ) from this site:

Quote:Independent and Decisive – This creativity, logic and confidence come together to form individuals who stand on their own and take responsibility for their own actions. Authority figures do not impress INTJs, nor do social conventions or tradition, and no matter how popular something is, if they have a better idea, INTJs will stand against anyone they have to in a bid to have it changed. Either an idea is the most rational or it’s wrong, and INTJs will apply this to their arguments as well as their own behavior, staying calm and detached from these sometimes emotionally charged conflicts. INTJs will only be swayed by those who follow suit.

It kind of explains why I can't ever fully buy in to the hype over 'positive' trends, and why I can always find something to defend about things deemed 'negative' by the mainstream. Although we (NTJ's) are few in number, just like the remnant, our detachment is important in that we can generally keep our heads while everyone around is is coalescing into an unthinking mob. That kind of detachment has to be present in the remnant for its purity to remain through thick and thin.

Post: #7

Quote:It's not easy to accept, but most of us here probably already suspect we're not ever going to be the mainstream, even though we still hope. Movements that overlap with my goals sufficiently get my support but make no mistake, there is always something to disagree with about them.

This is important, I think. We live in a 'binary' world where if we are 'for' something it is assumed that we are automatically 'against' everything else. This is entirely natural, and indeed is something I found myself doing in the early days of my red pill awakening. But the reality of course is far more nuanced, and it is up to each man as an individual to build his own map of the world according to his own priorities and ambitions. The power of the red pill is that it opens a door on the world as it really is - not as we are told it is. For many, their first sight of this reality is downright unsettling, if not outright terrifying. But is only by understanding and accepting it that we obtain the proper terms of reference that allow us to build a map that actually works. A map that the 'mainstream' does everything in it's power to prevent us from creating.

To use your example, you don't have to accept everything that Trump says or does to be a Trump supporter, because Trump is not the dynamic - Trump (like Farage and Le Pen, and indeed, men like us) is an agent of the dynamic. And it is the dynamic that is the most important thing. You mention that we will never go mainstream, and in a sense, I think you are right - we are not going to see overt implementations of the red pill; legislation for example to limit women's access to benefits or alimony, mainstream criticism of sluts or single mothers. And this is as it should be - overt implementations of the red pill suffer from the same weakness that has led just about ALL traditional institutions to succumb to feminism; anything overt presents as the perfect target for the very institutions that that feminism now controls.

The power of the red pill lies in it's distributed nature - it presents no single target for feminism to attack. At first glance this may look like a weakness, but the idea of the Remnant I think explains how such distributed power can act as a force multiplier to enact change - rather than engaging the opponent on their terms, in plain sight, and often hopelessly outgunned, we are able to bring them down by a thousand tiny cuts, from attackers unseen.

And in this way the red pill is starting to dominate the narrative. The red pill is not going mainstream, the mainstream is going red pill. You don't need legislation to limit women's access to benefits when those benefits (certainly here in the UK) get more meager by the day and increasing numbers of women can see how much worse life is without a decent man. You don't need legislation to reduce alimony or child support when fewer women than ever have the chance to marry and many men are so dis-incentivized that they cannot make child support payments even if they want to (fortunately they don't jail us in the UK for this in the same way I understand happens in the US). You don't need to need magazine articles shaming sluts and single mothers when their poorer life outcomes, no longer mitigated by either an increasingly impoverished state or impoverished (often single mother) parents, become ever harder for younger cohorts of women to ignore.

At the root of this is male dis-engagement, either forced or voluntary, from women, work and society itself - a direct (or sometimes indirect) response to the perverse incentives feminism gives to both men and women. Each act of dis-engagement is another tiny cut at the bloated beast of feminism. Each cut weakens it, reveals it for what it is, and most importantly makes it less able to deliver on it's promises. And this last point matters - women are far more pragmatic than men; they have little tolerance for any entity that doesn't deliver what it has promised. It was women, emboldened by their male enablers that drove the mainstream towards feminism, and is women, now, who are driving it away - but this time, their enablers are the Remnant. Feminism is just as subject to hypergamy as are men, and is being discarded just as quickly. The irony is, of course, that eventually you might conceivably end up with some form of the the very legislation and magazine articles I describe above - but it will result from the demands of the women, rather than being imposed on them by men. It is the dynamic that is important, not the actors - Trump may loom large right now but my feel is that if Trump had not risen to the challenge, someone else would have appeared to play this role, sooner rather than later. The ideology of the liberal-left has run it's course - there are no more institutions left to re-task, no more pools of wealth to plunder, no more students to indoctrinate. No more resources, in other words, to tap to support their narrative. And without this support the unsustainable nature of their ideology is revealed. It will lumber on for several more years and it will not go quietly into the night but the dynamic of the Remnant is now in play.

This is not to say that anything is a done deal and definitely not to rest on our laurels. The turning is only just starting to happen and will at times in the years ahead, likely demand everything we have, both as individuals and as a group. But we can, I think, take heart from understanding the power of the dynamic that we are a part of, the challenges we will face and the opportunities that will open up to the men and women who have the eyes to see the world as it is and not how they are told it is. And they in turn will lead the masses by their example.

Post: #8

^ Brilliant post.

As I said before, Cadders, you're in the right place. I'd rep you again if I could. I look forward to reading more of your insights on this topic and others in the future.