Post: #26

(12-21-2016 09:15 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Why California? It is the only place Trump did not campaign in during the general, and if you take away Cali Trump won with overwhelming electoral + popular votes. The West coast, especially California, hates Trump.

I like Trump because he is an alpha manwhore like myself, but you need to be honest with yourself if you want Trump to win in the future.

Trump got his ass kicked in the national, and California, popular vote. Furthermore, in many states where he won electorally he did so by very thin margins. So what appears like a big win electorally, was actually a win by very narrow margins:

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/results/

Do not become delusional like Hillary Clinton's supporters - thinking that their candidate had the election in the bag.

Trump's election will likely motivate the democrat's base in 2020.

Post: #27

I wonder if California is going through the experiences of Indiana, Ohio, Illinois etc during the rust belt decline of the 70's/80's. They were 'nice' places that everyone moved to for jobs and a good life from 1900 to 1960. California had its run from what, 1970 to 2010? So about the same span of time and the "new cool" place to move to and be ruined by liberals is the southwest currently (AZ+CO+TX) with 'the south' being the equivalent haven for liberals escaping the Northeast (FL+NC+TN+GA).

It took 150 years for the south to go full cycle (1860s to 2010) so in 150 years CA will probably come back around if you want to buy real estate at the bottom and leave it to your kids and by that same tune I'll bet that in 2050 Detroit is going to be one of the coolest places to live in America.

Post: #28

You can also add the fact that California has over 3 million illegal immigrants - one quarter of the national total. Of that, one-third live in Los Angeles County alone.

Definitely expect major metropolitan centres, universities, and the state of California in general to be the epicentres of leftist unrest.

Post: #29

Since when is the popular vote important?

Post: #30

I bet a lot of lefties in LA secretly wouldn't mind having the illegals kicked the hell out. They like nice stuff, and don't want to see the dysfunction. Plus they are scared of dark skinned people. Prolly see a boost in real estate prices.

Post: #31

(12-21-2016 09:15 AM)Samseau Wrote:  One of the things I completely underestimated so far has been the extent to which Leftists are willing to reject the election and throw temper tantrums. Because of how mentally deranged they are, we can expect massive Civil Unrest in California after the wall is built and deportations start, which should occur around in the latter half of 2017 or early 2018.

Why California? It is the only place Trump did not campaign in during the general, and if you take away Cali Trump won with overwhelming electoral + popular votes. The West coast, especially California, hates Trump.

Native Californian here. Yes, the liberal areas of California (the coastal regions, especially) will loose their shit as Trump ramps up deportations. I expect to see widespread obstruction of justice by the California DOJ and local law enforcement that is bought and paid for by Big Unions. Look at the riot in San Jose when Trump did a rally there. Trump supporters were attacked, and police held back and didn't arrest them. Those orders came from the top. There are still pockets of inland Californians who are conservative and love Trump. We are just outnumbered by the coastal elites.

Quote:So California is where ground zero for civil unrest occurs. Especially with the deportation of illegals, the Mexicans will resist and probably shoot at ICE officers and cops. Even though Trump has stated he just wants to remove dangerous and violent illegals, judging from the reactions of the left's identity politics they will simply assume that anything Trump says is false and that the criminal and violent illegals are actually good boys who didn't do nothing.

Especially in Southern California there is a sizable bunch of gang bangers and outright Mexican nationalists who think California actually belongs to Mexico. Some of these radicals will have to be removed with force. It will get ugly. Trump will need to have the balls to actually charge government officials with Federal crimes if they obstruct. That is the only way you'll really root out the various insurrectionist networks that are deeply embedded.

Quote:Trump will not back down and the left, so used to getting its way, will rapidly escalate the situation. How bad it gets is anyone's guess but there's no way the spoiled Mexicans will go back to Mexico quietly after getting everything they've wanted for the past several decades. We could see lots of law enforcement officials getting killed in the line of duty.

I hope he doesn't back down. So far he seems to be (mostly) on track with his campaign promises. Many illegals (not just Mexicans) won't go quietly. They've gotten used to the free healthcare, the driver's licenses that Governor Brown has issued them, and in-state tuition they can get by attending our taxpayer-funded college system. You're ripping a lot of free candy out of the hands of some very nasty babies. Cops will suffer, but if Trump is smart (which we know he is) he will massively increase the ICE payrolls and manpower to backup local cops and sheriffs who will overwhelmingly be on his side in the smaller and mid-size towns. In the major cities, the chiefs of police are just political appointees and will do their very best to ensure Trump's deportation plans are smashed. Trump will need an army of lawyers just to get every last one of them on the hooks. Better step up hiring at DOJ.

Quote:My guess is Trump will not tolerate the bullshit, which is why he has so many generals in his cabinet, and will go as far as using the national guard to restore order to LA. There is not much federal control of LA, other than their dependence on gibs. Taking back the city will be difficult, and it may be necessary to actually siege the city if control is lost completely.

In some areas where there are horrible gangs like MS-13, I'd be all for rolling in the National Guard if the local police request backup, or refuse to do their job. The press would have a field day about the Trump Dictatorship and martial law. It would be bad optics IMO. Hopefully it only comes to this as a last resort. I do think Trump should declare the southern border a national emergency and permanently deploy our National Guard there until the border wall is built. It will be less controversial than having them operate in city centers. Better to arm up the ICE forces and have them do the dirty work of exporting the illegals. That's what they are designed to do. The National Guard can act to scout the border and turn back possible invaders.

Quote:The unstable situation in LA will provide ample fuel for leftists in the rest of the country to act with moral grandstanding and a sense of purpose. We can expect mass protests "in solidarity with undocumented Americans," plenty of aid sent to those rebelling against Fascist Trump, and nonstop (((media coverage))) of anything even remotely bad that ICE, DHS, or the National Guard must do while fighting back the illegal whordes. The amount assistance from the left to escalate the situation in California is what makes the situation very dangerous.

For sure, the backlash will be furious. Hopefully if one thing we've learned about Trump's personality, is that he doesn't back down from a fight. The fact that he chose Maddog after Obummer snubbed him is a healthy sign.

Quote:Additionally, the demonization of all law enforcement officials will result in more unrest in other major American cities at any potential infringement of civil liberties, real or imagined. Just like with Tray Tray, if some Black feels aggrieved by the police the (((media))) could whip up the Blacks into a frenzy in cities like Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, etc, on top of the ongoing situations in California. Soros and friends will also be pouring millions into the fire. Urban Northeast and Northwest Whites, in addition to supporting riots with funds, may even do mass tax protests against the Federal government to "stop Trump's fascism." Also there will be endless protests at colleges across America.

CNN and other agitators will do their best to claim the police are KKK, the blue collar worker is KKK, etc. There's no stopping them, as SJW's always double down. What's needed are more alternative media outlets to counter the spin. There needs to be 100 Breitbart clones, and an alternative platform to Twitter and Facebook as they start censoring patriotic Americans. Expect the Fake News narrative to dominate 2017 and beyond.

Quote:There will be no Civil War as long as the Right is in power. However, that is because the Left does not think like we do. Right wingers just take abuse until one day, they snap and wage total war until victory. The Left is the opposite and uses Saul Alinsky tactics to grind and wear down their opponent. Endless guerilla tactics, riots, obstruction, and (((negative media coverage))), until normies are so sick and tired of it they vote for Democrats in two years who promise them to end the division and hostility of Trump's "fascist" regime.

Leftists aren't armed, by and large. Though I saw a few scattered articles saying liberals are arming themselves because they fear Trump internment camps. Those of us on the Right will continue to arm up at a furious pace, just in case things get too out of hand. Those on the Left that think we're going to go quietly like the disarmed Western Europeans are in for a very rude surprise!

Quote:Obviously, Saul Alinsky tactics backfired when the Left was in power and normies just saw the Left acting like retards attacking people who merely wanted to attend a Trump rally. But once the Left can seize upon the "morally righteous cause" of protecting undocumented Americans, they will go all in with disruption tactics plus potential insurrection in California.

Who cares if they attack us at this point? We can export their illegal voters, and we have force of the Federal government behind us for the first time in decades. It will be one glorious pile of Liberal Salt once Trump is done with them if they don't play ball. Trump is driven by ego. This man doesn't like losing. If someone snubs their nose at him, he'll be even more driven to finish the job. Liberals aren't used to dealing with a super alpha like Trump. Wakeup time!

Quote:Hopefully Trump's team is wise to this game by now and has plans to handle things, but for our part we need to think of ways to prevent demoralization of Trump's support once the bullshit starts. We need to keep the moral high ground on our side to keep independents voting Republican by 2018.

The other negative consequence is that instead of deporting 20 million illegals, Trump might only be able to get out 2-3 million illegals. By the time the violent ones are gone, Trump may have emptied his political capital so much he will not be able to get rid of the rest. The fewer illegals we deport, the bigger a victory for the Left's demographic replacement plan.

Just by starting to export the criminal ones, you set a precedent to export the rest. That's what the Left is really worried about. They are going to lose a massive voting block, plus a future voting block. Trump knows that the shit is getting stirred if he goes forward with this. Given the recent attacks in Europe, Trump knows that the Islamics are coming next (and are already here!) and that border security can't be Security Theater. I, for one, welcome whatever shit we have to endure to fix this mess. Real Americans are armed to the teeth and are willing to suffer the worst of it to get rid of the invaders. We've just been waiting for a leader.

Our time has come.

Post: #32

Tie violent resistance to lawful deportation as terrorism, which it functionally is.

Hell, if I were in the US I would be applying for a position with ICE as we speak.

With modern technology a lot of these arrests can be conducted while the suspects are in transit rather than risking going to their boroughs. Once the deportations begin in ernest a lot of people are going to decide that it's better to arrange their own deportation with all their belongings rather than risk ending up back in Mayheeko with nothing but the shirts on their backs.

Post: #33

(12-21-2016 07:33 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I bet a lot of lefties in LA secretly wouldn't mind having the illegals kicked the hell out. They like nice stuff, and don't want to see the dysfunction. Plus they are scared of dark skinned people. Prolly see a boost in real estate prices.

There's a reason why rich liberals live in Hollywood Hills, Malibu and Beverly Hills. That's where the gated communities are. For all the talk about how they hate Trump's walls, they have mighty nice ones surrounding their homes.

Post: #34

JMK: Great analysis.

Since you live in California, you can actually be part of the resistance. Once the violence and bullshit starts, I would pack up your weapons, head into the cities... and film everything. Film the media, especially. If you get excellent footage, I will promote it to MikeCF who will then broadcast it to millions.

As long as we counter the media narrative, we'll win the long game. Remember, the entire point of Saul Alinsky tactics is to win the public over. We can counter it if we control the narrative.

Also, if you have any businesses or products, you can make a killing by using the 15 minutes of fame to promote whatever you want to promote while filming the carnage.

Post: #35

California secessionist leader Louis Marinelli announces opening of "embassy" in Moscow

An American citizen spearheading the California secessionist movement said he’ll open an embassy in Moscow this weekend as his separatist campaign looks toward Russia for recognition. Louis Marinelli, the president of the Yes California Independence Campaign, plans to open the doors Sunday to the Golden State’s first ever “embassy” in none other than the Russian capital. Mr. Marinelli, 30, has been one of the most vocal proponents in recent years of the grassroots movement dedicated towards gaining California’s independence from the United States. He’s orchestrated that campaign from abroad since at least September, however, when he relocated from San Diego to Siberia to be with his Russian wife, KQED recently reported.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...nelli-ann/

Post: #36

Damn Russians, first hacking the election and now even seducing Californians into seceding! Nuke! Nuke now!

Post: #37

(12-21-2016 11:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  JMK: Great analysis.

Since you live in California, you can actually be part of the resistance. Once the violence and bullshit starts, I would pack up your weapons, head into the cities... and film everything. Film the media, especially. If you get excellent footage, I will promote it to MikeCF who will then broadcast it to millions.

I live hours away from major urban areas, intentionally so. LA will be the real shit storm, given the gangs and larger number of illegals compared to SF. Still, if I find myself in the middle of a shit storm I will record it. Already have an online presence for my business, just that living in this state being a conservative out of the closet subjects you abuse and lost business. I spread red pills on the down low. We are behind enemy lines, guerrilla warfare works best. Doesn't mean I won't give you or Mike the drop on the goods should I luck out. I keep my political views quiet due to having many liberal clients. It feels good taking liberals money and they are funding the enemy without knowing.

Quote:As long as we counter the media narrative, we'll win the long game. Remember, the entire point of Saul Alinsky tactics is to win the public over. We can counter it if we control the narrative.

Also, if you have any businesses or products, you can make a killing by using the 15 minutes of fame to promote whatever you want to promote while filming the carnage.

I could go public, but I already have an online persona that is not public to RVF. Once I build up enough fuck you money I might go public, but I'm not there yet. Keep in mind that liberals are vicious. If I went public, it would be because I'd be insulated enough financially/politically to do so, or already on my way to moving out of California.

Post: #38

You guys are killing me with the doom porn.

Trump ran on a Law and Order platform. When mayhem occurs, he will quell it with force which will propel his ratings even higher.

Trump isn't afraid to fight fire with fire.

Post: #39

(12-22-2016 07:04 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  You guys are killing me with the doom porn.

Trump ran on a Law and Order platform. When mayhem occurs, he will quell it with force which will propel his ratings even higher.

Trump isn't afraid to fight fire with fire.

Where's the doom?

You might think Law and Order is a popular platform, but only if it is presented through a narrative the masses understand. Otherwise, the Left will hijack the narrative and make Trump out to be the big bad Hitler.

By understanding what we are heading into now (6-12 months in advance) I am getting guys ready for the next major battle for America. If you are smart, you will find ways to profit from this just like many men did regarding Trump's ascendence I predicted over a year ago as well.

Post: #40

(12-22-2016 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 07:04 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  You guys are killing me with the doom porn.

Trump ran on a Law and Order platform. When mayhem occurs, he will quell it with force which will propel his ratings even higher.

Trump isn't afraid to fight fire with fire.

Where's the doom?

You might think Law and Order is a popular platform, but only if it is presented through a narrative the masses understand. Otherwise, the Left will hijack the narrative and make Trump out to be the big bad Hitler.

By understanding what we are heading into now (6-12 months in advance) I am getting guys ready for the next major battle for America. If you are smart, you will find ways to profit from this just like many men did regarding Trump's ascendence I predicted over a year ago as well.

Not so easy since we can't gamble on the outcome like we did with the Presidency, but you're right i'm sure there are others ways we can profit. So any ideas how to profit from this other than obvious stuff like buying/selling weapons or stocks of gun companies?

Post: #41

(12-22-2016 12:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-22-2016 07:04 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  You guys are killing me with the doom porn.

Trump ran on a Law and Order platform. When mayhem occurs, he will quell it with force which will propel his ratings even higher.

Trump isn't afraid to fight fire with fire.

Where's the doom?

You might think Law and Order is a popular platform, but only if it is presented through a narrative the masses understand. Otherwise, the Left will hijack the narrative and make Trump out to be the big bad Hitler.

By understanding what we are heading into now (6-12 months in advance) I am getting guys ready for the next major battle for America. If you are smart, you will find ways to profit from this just like many men did regarding Trump's ascendence I predicted over a year ago as well.

Samsaeu, I appreciate your musings, predictions, and all around analysis of the situation. Really, i do so don't let this rub you the wrong way.

I already made decent profits from Trump bets already and the stock market will do whatever the hell it wants. See the lovely thread I started on the subject a week or so before the election took place. Heck, I made bets on Brexit too. My ability to profit from change came from me and me only. Anyone can get a gut sense of where the winds of change are blowing.

You aren't the only who correctly predicted a political upset before it happened (/thread-54001...pid1324757) Don't let your prediction success get to your head!

Secondly, I find your lack of faith in the American electorate misplaced. I'm from the rust belt, not a major metro area and everyone I know anecdotally here full sail does not trust the news media. I stepped into our classic townie bar not that long ago and again, you should have seen the disdain these guys had for the news media. Even the elderly folks i visited in the retirement homes were Trump fans. My whole hometown and the voting district flipped too much to the chagrin to the local news media.

No one in fly over country trusts the news media and anything they try to spin will fall flat on its face outside of the coastal city echo chambers.

Get out of New England for a bit. That hellhole doesn't even remotely represent the pulse of the rest of the country.

And seriously, what are you doing to prepare for this proverbial "battle" ? Have you registered for a local gun permit in Mass yet? Have you been practicing shooting at the range? What about storing some canned goods to last at least 30 days? Heading to an MMA gym for a bit of self defense training at all?

Personally, i'm too busy to read these multi page prediction essays. Talk is cheap and a lot of us here have real work and hobbies to attend to of which prepping for mayhem happens to be one of those for myself.

Post: #42

(12-22-2016 03:03 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Secondly, I find your lack of faith in the American electorate misplaced. I'm from the rust belt, not a major metro area and everyone I know anecdotally here full sail does not trust the news media. I stepped into our classic townie bar not that long ago and again, you should have seen the disdain these guys had for the news media. Even the elderly folks i visited in the retirement homes were Trump fans. My whole hometown and the voting district flipped too much to the chagrin to the local news media.

Trump won Wisconsin, Penn, and Michigan with less than 1%. A few negative events here and there can easily depress Republican voter turnout enough to lose critical midterm elections. If Trump loses the midterms the odds are high he becomes a lame duck President, which could easily cost him 2020.

Quote: No one in fly over country trusts the news media and anything they try to spin will fall flat on its face outside of the coastal city echo chambers.

The distrust the average American has for the media is strong, but if they get footage of cops gunning down Mexicans it's not going to look good no matter what. Many will feel Trump has become the Hitler the Left has always portrayed him as. This is why it is important to have our own media sources running concurrently.

Quote:Get out of New England for a bit. That hellhole doesn't even remotely represent the pulse of the rest of the country.

No shit.

Quote:And seriously, what are you doing to prepare for this proverbial "battle" ? Have you registered for a local gun permit in Mass yet? Have you been practicing shooting at the range? What about storing some canned goods to last at least 30 days? Heading to an MMA gym for a bit of self defense training at all?

We're not heading into a Civil War, we're heading into Civil Unrest. There is a MAJOR difference, your hyperbole is ridiculous.

I am preparing for this by alerting others. It's just too inconvenient for me to fly to California and look for trouble, but if I lived within a state or two away, I'd be all over this.

Quote:Personally, i'm too busy to read these multi page prediction essays. Talk is cheap and a lot of us here have real work and hobbies to attend to of which prepping for mayhem happens to be one of those for myself.

No one cares if you take advantage of future events, other people will make the money for you.

Post: #43

(12-22-2016 01:14 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  Not so easy since we can't gamble on the outcome like we did with the Presidency, but you're right i'm sure there are others ways we can profit. So any ideas how to profit from this other than obvious stuff like buying/selling weapons or stocks of gun companies?

(12-21-2016 11:40 PM)Samseau Wrote:  JMK: Great analysis.

Since you live in California, you can actually be part of the resistance. Once the violence and bullshit starts, I would pack up your weapons, head into the cities... and film everything. Film the media, especially. If you get excellent footage, I will promote it to MikeCF who will then broadcast it to millions.

As long as we counter the media narrative, we'll win the long game. Remember, the entire point of Saul Alinsky tactics is to win the public over. We can counter it if we control the narrative.

Also, if you have any businesses or products, you can make a killing by using the 15 minutes of fame to promote whatever you want to promote while filming the carnage.

Other ways to make money is to buy properties of recently evicted illegals, and flip it once law and order is restored.

Remember the old adage, "Buy when there's blood in the streets..."

Post: #44

(12-22-2016 05:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Other ways to make money is to buy properties of recently evicted illegals, and flip it once law and order is restored.

Remember the old adage, "Buy when there's blood in the streets..."

Yep, they did that when they rounded of people of Japanese origin and shipped them to concentration camps out here.

Pennies on the dollar.

Post: #45

(12-21-2016 08:58 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Tie violent resistance to lawful deportation as terrorism, which it functionally is.

Hell, if I were in the US I would be applying for a position with ICE as we speak.

With modern technology a lot of these arrests can be conducted while the suspects are in transit rather than risking going to their boroughs. Once the deportations begin in ernest a lot of people are going to decide that it's better to arrange their own deportation with all their belongings rather than risk ending up back in Mayheeko with nothing but the shirts on their backs.

Saw reports by Univisiontio and Telemundo complaining how Trump is hurting the economy because illegals are saving money and not spending mush in case they are deported they have some money to leave before deport, one young illegals said her mother is back in her home country looking for a house to move in case things get too ugly with ICE.

You don't have to deport every single illegal, just make sure illegals notice deportation are happening, and make sure local and state police now can work with ICE, get rid of sanctuary cities, and they will leave on their own.

Deport 3 illegals in a building and every illegal in the block will leave withing a week on their own.

Post: #46

(12-21-2016 09:15 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Hopefully Trump's team is wise to this game by now and has plans to handle things, but for our part we need to think of ways to prevent demoralization of Trump's support once the bullshit starts. We need to keep the moral high ground on our side to keep independents voting Republican by 2018.

If the Left attempts to push a narrative that gives them the moral high ground then we need to push back with our own. We already have the beginning of one with the "diversity + proximity = war" meme, and can push the fact that the immigration into this country has been the greatest peace time invasion in history. I've already seen Ann Coulter discuss this, so it won't be long before it gets out to the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

Not to mention, there are already signs that whites are beginning to identify as a group, both Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly have started talking about white identitarian politics. Both are essentially priming the pump for our eventual counter narrative.

Post: #47

(12-22-2016 06:34 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Yep, they did that when they rounded of people of Japanese origin and shipped them to concentration camps out here.

Pennies on the dollar.

As a person of color, I'm wondering if you're saying that tongue in cheek or being completely serious. I guess facts are facts regarding the cheap pricing, but the scenario seems different as the Japanese were either legal residents or citizens at the time.

Post: #48

The (((overlords))) are gearing up for the Battle for California:

Post: #49

Of course they are. Leftist Jews in America (greater than 80-90% of them) can't stand the idea of national borders.

Meanwhile, in Israel....



Jewish hypocrisy regarding multiculturalism for thee, but not for me is the leading cause of anti-semitism in the world.

The Jews of Israel have every right to determine what kind of state they want to run. What they don't have a right to is to fund billions of dollars into AIPAC, ADL and other lobbying groups to influence politicians and policy. This is a subversive behavior, and I don't want Jews/Israel doing it any more than I want Saudi Arabia or any other country to undermine our interests.

For all the support and love Trump rightly gets for his policy positions, his knee-jerk support of Israel isn't a good idea. It still reeks of not draining the swamp, when one of the largest swamps in D.C. is dirty Jewish money on both the GOP and Dem's part. I don't think will take on the liberal Jewish or Israel lobbies, mainly because he knows they control too much power for even him to take on. Any attempt to shut down subversive Talmudic behavior is always blamed as Gentiles wanting to start another Holocaust. The hysteria is so loud and pervasive that you can't get even reasonable people to consider that some Jewish behavior is unacceptable, when it is always cloaked in the bullet-proof charge of anti-semitism.

Not sure how we can change the narrative to be honest to call out the worst of Jewish double-speak, without being accused of wanting to gas Jews, being a neo-Nazi, etc.

Post: #50