Post: #51

(12-22-2016 07:37 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  I'm also very direct, probably even more direct than you have stated that you are. The big difference is most of my experience has been day game, but I plan to transition into night game solely looking for the ONS or mini-relationship situation. I'm tired of dating and only interested in getting as many decent to high quality notches as possible at the moment, and I've decided night game is the way to go.

You mentioned many of the girls you have been with have had a bf. My question for you is, at what point in the interaction does the bf come up and how do you deal with it? Like can you give an example of what you specifically say?

I ask this because I usually get the bf line when a girl rejects me. Sometimes I'm able to push through it and get the number anyway (keep in mind I'm mainly talking day game), but most of the time it's a no go.

When I mentioned girls with boyfriends cheating on their boyfriends with me, it's not in the sense that the girl is like "sorry, I have a boyfriend" and then I plow through that and fuck them anyways. For example, from a SNL a girl's phone can be ringing nonstop during sex and its obvious its a guy calling her. They usually admit its their boyfriend and to just ignore it. Tell me some story about how they are "fighting" right now or something like that and thats it. These bitches have no shame.
Another instance is some of my social circle pulls. And this was what I was alluding to in an earlier post. Some very sweet, nice, kind girls in seemingly amazing relationships where they are both so happy. But soon our friendly flirting becomes a bit more than that. Then eventually they are naked in my bed. That's what really gets me jaded.

If it's early in the interaction and the girl spouts "I have a bf" or casually interjects her boyfriend into the conversation, then it's probably a different story. It could be a shit-test, but also it's very likely the girl just isn't interested in you and she dropped the boyfriend line hoping you would take the hint and fuck-off. Whether she actually had a boyfriend or not is completely irrelevant. The fact that she felt the need to say that is what is the issue, unless of course it is a shit test to see if it phases you or makes you sweat.

Post: #52

I've also been in this notch-hunting addiction, but something happened in November that changed me quite a lot. Now it's more important that I really like the girl I bang. Before I'd turn down seeing a girl I liked just because I'd already banged her and instead try to bang a new girl just to get the notch. I hate that feeling after I've banged a girl and I realize that I didn't really like her, I'd just put on a show to get inside her and once that was done it's not much left and I rather have her leave as soon as possible.

Post: #53

Mind if I ask what happened?

But yeah, I agree. Kicking them out and thinking how to execute my "my nephew just had a seizure" line is getting old and tiring.

Post: #54

I think notch hunting when you first start out is great. You have no idea what you actually like and gotta get a feel what kind of girl is your type. At a certain point it just gets really really pointless.

I don't have 100 (by choice) but the numbers are up there and at a certain point I noticed quantity < quality.

A notch with a girl is under an 8 might as well not be a notch anymore.

Post: #55

(12-24-2016 01:47 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  A notch with a girl is under an 8 might as well not be a notch anymore.

So true.

Post: #56

Also, if you start following me on instagram send me a PM to let me know which username is yours if you want me to follow you back.

Post: #57

(12-21-2016 02:41 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(12-21-2016 06:15 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  Great thread.

Let's get into the nitty gritty. What are your mechanics?

Like describe a typical pull and workflow of yours from the moment you enter the venue. How do you open? How do you isolate? Do you bounce home or to an intermediary (2nd bar or so)? You said your game is direct? Give us the gist on what you say? And if you do end up getting blown out, what do you do?

Thanks. My mechanics is I usually roll up to the club solo and sober. That being said, I will for sure know at least a handful of guys in essentially any major bar/club in my city that will come up and shake my hand and show some love. I also usually know at least a couple of girls there that I've either hooked up with in the past or I hooked up with one of their friends so they know me. They come up and give me a hug and whatnot, which I think is a really good DHV / social proof thing if we wanna quantify this in game terms.

Moment I walk in the venue: Walk around with a smile and kinda get a feel for the room. Like I just said, people I know will come say hi to me. In the instance where nobody I know is in the bar or after I gave my hello's, I get to work. Start conversation with any cute girls that walk past me. Usually something completely harmless like "Hey guys, hows your night going? "
From there, I can gauge if they give me a quick and polite "good" while walking away thinking "who the fuck is that guy?" then I let them walk away and re-approach them later on in the night. If they stop and are receptive and start engaging in conversation with me, I flirt and exchange a bit of witty banter then, when the conversation is at a high point a few minutes in, I say "well I'm gonna to go walk around and let you ladies do you thing, it was really nice meeting you / you guys - I'll talk to you in a bit "
This I learned from an old mentor of mine and he calls it "planting the seed"
It's amazing. Before doing this, I would just stay in the set as long as possible until the girls eventually and inevitably fucked off to "go find their friends" or "go get a drink" or "go to the bathroom"
With me parting ways myself while on a high note, it definitely flips the script a little bit and it just comes across as cool, calibrated, and attractive (in my opinion). Also, a huge plus of this is its NOT NEEDY in the slightest. It's a breath of fresh air for the girls I'm sure.

How do I isolate: Great question. I sort of don't. I try my best to be as polite and respectful to everyone in the group (guys, ugly girls, fat girls). If the group likes me, I generally don't have to isolate. If the girl is really feeling me, then she will have no issue flirting with me in front of her friends. In fact, her friends can cheer her on sometimes! Also, I'm mostly dealing with younger girls 18-22. There is a definitely a cultural shift happening with the younger girls. Less slut-shaming, way more open sexually. Their friends will even encourage them to "get it in" assuming you aren't coming across as a "creep." Creep in girl talk I've come to learn usually means one of: ugly, weird, uncalibrated, pushy, etc. Or it can also mean "No guys are hitting on me and everyone is hitting on my pretty friend, all these guys are creeps!"
So although its nice to try and avoid the "Creep" label, you also have to realize that it is thrown around so casually and nonchalantly that its not a huge deal if it happens every now and then. You gotta get your hands dirty sometimes.

Do I bounce home or intermediary: Despite reading about game material for years, I hardly ever do a venue bounce. I find out logistics and if she has her own place with an easygoing roommate then I try and pitch we go there and "afterparty" together. If she doesn't have her own place, I try and sneak her into my house to "cuddle and hangout". Yeah that's right, I have to sneak bitches into my house cause my dad gets pissed when I wake him up late at night and he's a pretty light sleeper.

Gist of my direct game: Bro. I am not ashamed at all of my sexuality and girls love it. If a girl has a nice thick ass, I will straight up say something like "damn girl, you thicker than a bowl of oatmeal" or something along those lines. I will compliment her genuinely on her eyes if they are blue for example or her hair if it is straight and blonde (guess my type lol). And I will say my compliments true from my heart and genuine. Not to get a reaction from her or in a manipulative way, but because I genuinely appreciate her beauty and I want her to know so. If she's really feeling me and the conversation is going great, I will straight up say things like "I would eat your ass like its my last supper" and "I want to lay you down and slowly undress you while I kiss every inch of you from head to toe"
This works incredibly well assuming the girl is taking a liking to you and the two of you are vibing.
I dont do any "excuse me, can i ask you a question? Who lies more? Men or women?"
I generally don't ask a question unless I want to know the answer. Example "What part of the city you live in" "who did you come with, how did you get here?" "You live on your own? Whats your roommate like? Is he/she chill?"
By asking these questions, they know whats up. Girls are stupid, but they are a different kind of stupid. They know whats up more than we do.

When I end up getting blown out: I try (and sometimes fail) to have the mental fortitude of a Monk. I say "no worries, have a good night." I might even re-approach later with success where the girl will apologize for being a bitch because of blah blah blah. I mean, you can't really do a CRAZY blow-out from "hey, hows your night going?"
The worst I get is girls just flat out ignoring me and not even acknowledging that I talked to them. Or they would look at me like I'm an alien and be like "ummm good?" while looking to her friends with a look that says "omg who is this guy?!?! can someone please save me so I don't get raped tonight???"
Those are few and far between, and there isn't much you can do about it but be polite and move on. Never build enemies in the bar, bad for your business.

I really want to give you a rep point. I like the idea of planting seeds. But without more details I cannot. How do you re-open sets? Do you have any favorite routines or negs? (Hate sounding like a PUA nerd here)

It seems like trying to remember all of the different things you talk with all of the girls is fucking impossible in a loud club, so it would be necessary to create easy re-openers to use over and over. Even if it's something as simple as, "Is everyone's night still going good?" Unless of course you have an exceptional conversational memory.

Post: #58

^ I remember Roosh writing in "Bang" an easy opener to use again and again while night-gaming is "You're still here?!"

Post: #59

(12-24-2016 09:58 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Mind if I ask what happened?

But yeah, I agree. Kicking them out and thinking how to execute my "my nephew just had a seizure" line is getting old and tiring.

A girl messaged me and said she's 8 months pregnant and that I'm probably the father. We went to the doctor together who told us that she must have gotten pregnant in the middle of April, I saw her last time in the end of February. So it isn't my daughter getting born next month, but I was quite confident about it for a while and was ready to call up my mother and tell her the happy news.

The girl have not yet told anyone about her being pregnant, except three friends, not even her own family. And she can't remember banging anyone in April either.

Post: #60

At 8 months, she's not showing?

Post: #61

(12-25-2016 02:33 AM)Samseau Wrote:  I really want to give you a rep point. I like the idea of planting seeds. But without more details I cannot. How do you re-open sets? Do you have any favorite routines or negs? (Hate sounding like a PUA nerd here)

It seems like trying to remember all of the different things you talk with all of the girls is fucking impossible in a loud club, so it would be necessary to create easy re-openers to use over and over. Even if it's something as simple as, "Is everyone's night still going good?" Unless of course you have an exceptional conversational memory.

I'm a rep point / validation whore sometimes and I'd definitely like to answer your questions. My problem is I am trying my best to answer your questions but I honestly cannot.
How do I re-open? I have no formula. I might say the exact same thing that I said in my initial open but say it an hour later once she's had a chance to warm up to the environment and open up and loosen up a little bit. I might jokingly talk about "second time is a charm" or I might be forced to re-open her by virtue of talking to a girl in her friend group then being (re)introduced to her by the friend.

Any favourite routine or negs: No, not really. I suppose I really enjoy telling girls I want to eat their ass out. It's super kinky and incredibly "intense" so I get a bit of a kick out of having conversations like that with girls that are essentially strangers that I have just met. But I wouldn't really consider that a "routine," more so just something that I genuinely enjoy doing.
Regarding negs, I'm sure they work. It's been written countless times that they work by every game authority on the planet. But 99% of "negs" I have ever seen guys use just fall flat and make the girl get defensive and puts her in a negative bad-vibes kind of state. So probably most guys aren't negging properly. If I ever do neg a girl, it would be totally situational and completely teasing about something silly that she said for example. So I would have no routine on this as it is so context-dependent and situational. That being said, I ALWAYS lightly tease girls whenever the situation does arise. I love it and they love it more.
One final word I want to have about negs: They work MUCH better if the girl already likes you or is intrigued/interested in you or THINKS YOU HAVE VALUE. If you are a random Joe Schmo at the club and you walk up to a hot girl and negs her out of the blue with "your shoes don't match your dress!" she's probably going to think "who the fuck is this guy, help"
I see it many times whenever I'm out with beginners that are just starting out in the game. They are so eager to "neg" women thinking its the magic bullet. And it ends up just adding negative energy to everything and putting the girls guard up.

I'm not to come across as a spiritual hippy or anything. And I still refer to girls as "bitches" quite regularly. But I'm really big on spreading good-vibes and positive energy into interactions. Light and playful teasing is good for this. Pre-scripted "negging" routines are not.

"It seems like trying to remember all of the different things you talk with all of the girls is fucking impossible in a loud club, so it would be necessary to create easy re-openers to use over and over." - this, my friend, is where you have it wrong.
Our conversations never consist of reciting Shakespeare to each other or discussing Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" while discussing the subtle nuisances of capitalism. It does not consist of talking about the OPEC cartel and the volatility in worldwide oil prices. It does not consist of me talking about my intense mountain biking expedition through the Sierra Nevada mountain range. It does not consist of me talking about going on a yacht with my rich high-society social circle while I eat caviar off a Russian models bare toes.
Our conversations are quite the opposite. Light, fun, shallow, superficial. Our names, how old we are, who we came to the club with, what our favourite drinks are, how we got to the club, where the plan is after, if we have work early in the morning, "Oh you know person X? I know person X too! We used to work together at this restaurant"
Basic things like that, does not require much conversational memory.

Post: #62

(12-23-2016 04:05 AM)Lime Wrote:  Great story,

With regards to night game: do you usually kiss the girl in the venue where you met or do you wait until in private?

With regards to Tinder/online: do you wait with kissing until home or earlier?

Since I'm about the same height, how did you overcome this mentally? I can get the idea that I'm not good enough for the girls I'm gaming, but that disappearing a bit now I got some more successes. I'm also athletic built, with a good face and hair, it's not that I am bad proportioned short/ nor do I have an unproportionally big head.

I would guess that the assumption that 50% of girls do care about height and 50% don't is a good workable assumption. With some girls it's just innate and with some it isn't....

With regards to kissing I sort of play it by ear. I don't try and force a kiss or go for it right away, I like sexual tension. That being said, if the mood and everything else is right then a good makeout session in the club can build even more sexual tension. Just make sure you are the first one to pull away. Not because you are petty, but because you want her to crave more and build the sexual tension deep inside her pussy.

My tinder dates involve the girl coming over to my house to "cuddle and watch a movie." I wouldn't take a Tinder girl out on an actual date during our first meet up. That's actually hilarious to me if some guys do that. Tinder girls don't expect that from the top guys.

Being short sucks. It's not that all girls hate it per se, the issue is more so that it is socially ingrained that short = gross and icky. So even if a girl has no issue with you being short, she will have issues with the social stigma that being with a short guy entails. In other words, her friends may snicker or make fun of her and THAT is what a girl wants to avoid like the plague.

Post: #63

I was asking you those questions to make sure you are legit. I could be wrong, but you've passed my bullshit detectors. You seem like a true player. I could tell by the type of conversations you have - since you're talking to girls under 23, of course you will only talk about superficial stupid things. I was partially asking a trick question on that, to see if you are congruent, but, there are definitely routines you can use in clubs. You probably use many without realizing it.

Also, for negs, you have it all wrong. Negs are not necessary either. Negs are not insults. Negs are not backhanded compliments. Negs are not critiques. Negs are not ironic, although it can be. Negs are playfully ambiguous statements that make a girl feel slightly insecure.

For example, "You girls look like you're having the most fun here!" when everyone is standing around looking bored is a great neg.

Another one of my favorites is to approach a group of girls texting, and say "What are you girls texting each other?" or, "Hey girls I just got your text! You could have just talked to me though, I was standing right there."

If there's no smile behind the neg, it's not a neg. If you're not making them feel insecure, you're not negging either.

You know you're neg is gold when the girl slowly smiles as she can't figure out what you mean and she looks at you confusedly.

Post: #64

(12-26-2016 12:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  I was asking you those questions to make sure you are legit. I could be wrong, but you've passed my bullshit detectors. You seem like a true player. I could tell by the type of conversations you have - since you're talking to girls under 23, of course you will only talk about superficial stupid things. I was partially asking a trick question on that, to see if you are congruent, but, there are definitely routines you can use in clubs. You probably use many without realizing it.

Also, for negs, you have it all wrong. Negs are not necessary either. Negs are not insults. Negs are not backhanded compliments. Negs are not critiques. Negs are not ironic, although it can be. Negs are playfully ambiguous statements that make a girl feel slightly insecure.

For example, "You girls look like you're having the most fun here!" when everyone is standing around looking bored is a great neg.

Another one of my favorites is to approach a group of girls texting, and say "What are you girls texting each other?" or, "Hey girls I just got your text! You could have just talked to me though, I was standing right there."

If there's no smile behind the neg, it's not a neg. If you're not making them feel insecure, you're not negging either.

You know you're neg is gold when the girl slowly smiles as she can't figure out what you mean and she looks at you confusedly.

Glad I squeezed through the bullshit detector. Truth be told, I thought you questions seemed a little bit "off" because a member of your calibre generally wouldn't ask things like that.

And I can understand what you mean with true negging. It's a good way to fuck with a girls' head (in a good way). Capitalizing on the insecurities all women have.

Quick question for you, please give me a no-bullshit answer.
Is my height (5'6") a true detriment that I have to accept and deal with, or is it really just all in my head?
No bullshit "feel good" answers please. Just be straight up. (I can smell the insecurity reeking out of me as I type this up)

Post: #65

(12-26-2016 01:34 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  Quick question for you, please give me a no-bullshit answer.
Is my height (5'6") a true detriment that I have to accept and deal with, or is it really just all in my head?
No bullshit "feel good" answers please. Just be straight up. (I can smell the insecurity reeking out of me as I type this up)

Man I am somewhere in the high 80s/low 90s at 27 and I don't even know if I have game or it's all just adapted a natural ish role and TRP/PUA/RVF made me less of a bitch + more savage.

I'm 6' white + lean, kinda good looking but don't think I have game. If you are muscular I think height matters substantially less because it's a domination thing. If you're thick and a girl is scared of you, height doesn't matter as much as you think.

Of course it matters a little, but if you put some small fear into her height isn't such a big deal.

Has your success been fairly consistent in improvement? I feel like I've gotten worse at game maybe as I've gotten older. Possibly because of less opportunity out of university or because a small loss of energy. My lay's + gf's come and go in huge waves. Has your improvement been a stable influx of new talent?

Post: #66

(12-26-2016 02:29 AM)RustyShackleford Wrote:  Has your success been fairly consistent in improvement? I feel like I've gotten worse at game maybe as I've gotten older. Possibly because of less opportunity out of university or because a small loss of energy. My lay's + gf's come and go in huge waves. Has your improvement been a stable influx of new talent?

Interesting point you made about instilling fear to make up for lack of height. It sounds crazy, but I can see the underlying biological premise behind this.

And to answer your question, my game is about as consistent as the stock market. Huge fluctuations with seemingly no rhyme or reason. I can go through phases where it seems I'm a god-like deity. Just crazy success and the girls that I take home all want to stick around and be my girl. Then, out of nowhere, I can run into a dry spell where girls don't even text me back and start acting distant with me, girls in the club reject me straight from "hello", etc.
My success definitely has it's ebbs and flows.

Interestingly enough, it's my droughts that give me the best leverage. I lose my ego and stop caring about my reputation that I had built up. I go back to the basics and go out like a beast and approach like an autistic loser that has nothing to lose. And then bam, I'm usually back in business.... only to develop an ego again and start caring about my reputation because I'm in a social circle with some really hot girls and cool guys. It's funny how that works.

It's like the old saying that every nation is born stoic, and dies epicurean.

Post: #67

(12-26-2016 02:46 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(12-26-2016 02:29 AM)RustyShackleford Wrote:  Has your success been fairly consistent in improvement? I feel like I've gotten worse at game maybe as I've gotten older. Possibly because of less opportunity out of university or because a small loss of energy. My lay's + gf's come and go in huge waves. Has your improvement been a stable influx of new talent?

Interesting point you made about instilling fear to make up for lack of height. It sounds crazy, but I can see the underlying biological premise behind this.

And to answer your question, my game is about as consistent as the stock market. Huge fluctuations with seemingly no rhyme or reason. I can go through phases where it seems I'm a god-like deity. Just crazy success and the girls that I take home all want to stick around and be my girl. Then, out of nowhere, I can run into a dry spell where girls don't even text me back and start acting distant with me, girls in the club reject me straight from "hello", etc.
My success definitely has it's ebbs and flows.

Interestingly enough, it's my droughts that give me the best leverage. I lose my ego and stop caring about my reputation that I had built up. I go back to the basics and go out like a beast and approach like an autistic loser that has nothing to lose. And then bam, I'm usually back in business.... only to develop an ego again and start caring about my reputation because I'm in a social circle with some really hot girls and cool guys. It's funny how that works.

It's like the old saying that every nation is born stoic, and dies epicurean.

100%. Every player I know goes through this.

http://www.rooshv.com/the-rabid-wolf-mentality

Quote:Is my height (5'6") a true detriment that I have to accept and deal with, or is it really just all in my head?

Yes. In White nations especially, because these people are taller on average. I'm only 5'8'' and it works against me sometimes as well.

Roissy's dating test for men is by far the most accurate assessment on these matters. Being 5'6'' is basically a -2 out of 27 points. I only lose -1.

However, there's no point in getting too hung up about things you cannot control. You'll never be Tom Brady super alpha. So what? You can still get laid with lots of cute girls, which is all that matters in the long run. Think of how most guys go with nothing, and then you'll realize you actually have it very good.

Post: #68

(12-26-2016 12:30 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Yes. In White nations especially, because these people are taller on average. I'm only 5'8'' and it works against me sometimes as well.

Roissy's dating test for men is by far the most accurate assessment on these matters. Being 5'6'' is basically a -2 out of 27 points. I only lose -1.

However, there's no point in getting too hung up about things you cannot control. You'll never be Tom Brady super alpha. So what? You can still get laid with lots of cute girls, which is all that matters in the long run. Think of how most guys go with nothing, and then you'll realize you actually have it very good.

Unfortunately for me, I take a liking to white girls. Girls of other races are rarely attractive to me. I especially like nordic / scandinavian white girls with blue eyes and blonde hair, and they tend to also be the tallest.

I remember seeing that post in the chateau heartiste website.
One theory I have regarding height is it's -1 to some girls, -2 to others, and -100000 to others. Depends on the girl I suppose.
I guess the reason why I'm asking is I have height increasing insoles but I never wear them. They hurt my feet, make me walk awkwardly, and I simply don't feel comfortable in them. comfortable in both a physical sense and psychological sense. Wearing them makes me feel VERY uncomfortable with myself.
I want to know if I should push past that and wear them anyways. It's been established that being taller would add "points" to me and make girls more receptive to me. But just how much so would an extra 1.5" do for me?
And I understand the feel-good hippy aspect of "don't worry about your height man! Just be yourself and love yourself for who you are man! girls only care about personality anyways man!" - like I get that argument and I hear it all the time. But I just want the raw truth.

Post: #69

Jesus - that alone indicates tons of social proof. Girls probably think they're going home with a club promoter hahaha.

Good stuff bro, notes taken.

Post: #70

(12-26-2016 11:42 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Jesus - that alone indicates tons of social proof. Girls probably think they're going home with a club promoter hahaha.

Good stuff bro, notes taken.

When I took a year off from school I was a club promoter for a couple of months. It was just on the side as I didn't make too much money from it.
I got paid $3 for every head that went through the door under my name / guest list.

I had it to the point where I would have a decent amount of regulars going every week and using my name at the door (had to be done before 11PM for me to get paid for it though).
I had a tab for free drinks and shots to give people. Honestly man it wasnt that amazing. Offering girls free shots really doesn't make their vaginas tingle as some of the guys here might imagine.

Post: #71

Well played. I really appreciate this advice - I spend too much on women.

I blame it on coming from a single mother household. But then I discovered red pill and realized part of my mother's inability to have a man full time is her fault (love her to death; I just have to be realistic).

It's still digesting.

Post: #72

(12-27-2016 09:02 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  Well played. I really appreciate this advice - I spend too much on women.

I blame it on coming from a single mother household. But then I discovered red pill and realized part of my mother's inability to have a man full time is her fault (love her to death; I just have to be realistic).

It's still digesting.

I'm still digesting the red pill after about 5 years. It's a heavy pill to swallow and I'm getting slapped across the face with new realities everyday.
Always remember the Lover-Provider matrix. Obviously, its simply a model and an oversimplification of real-life. But nevertheless, it can be very powerful to understand.

Post: #73

(12-25-2016 02:33 AM)Samseau Wrote:  It seems like trying to remember all of the different things you talk with all of the girls is fucking impossible in a loud club, so it would be necessary to create easy re-openers to use over and over.

(12-25-2016 04:48 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  How do I re-open? I have no formula. I might say the exact same thing that I said in my initial open but say it an hour later once she's had a chance to warm up to the environment and open up and loosen up a little bit. I might jokingly talk about "second time is a charm" or I might be forced to re-open her by virtue of talking to a girl in her friend group then being (re)introduced to her by the friend.

TBH I go for the jugular although in a playful way. This could be from a girl that I met out downtown that never responded to my texts or even a girl that was even unfriendly towards me earlier in the night. She's going to be receptive to me as long as what I say makes it completely obvious that I am aware that she's being a fucking loser right now.

me: *gives her a quizzical look that says:
"you bummy bitch still being uninteresting and a loser by yourself. What the fuck are you still doing here alone"* Maybe I throw in a power point

Her: *waves or smiles or puts on a "not this motherfucker again but I don't want to look like a loser twice so I'll talk to him" type of face*

me: I say something that means "why are you still by yourself being lame"

I typically don't even wait for an answer and start escalating the kino and take the conversation in another direction. If i can get my arm rested around her waist she'll end up hanging with me the whole night.



OR you can stay on the topic of her poor behavior and awfulness and watch her try to weasel her way out of it lol.

Post: #74

At what point in the night do you go for the pull, as in when do you say we should head out to her place or yours? I ask because you mentioned keeping the party going, and that seems to mean that you wait until the club/bar closes to head to the sex location.

Post: #75

Whats the lover-provider matrix? If you wouldn't mind elaborating.