Post: #1

There was an earlier thread on neomasculinity as a formal academic discipline & peer reviewed journal, but what about Red Pill clinicians? Could they play a useful role?

Manosphere articles rightly point out that shrinks can do more harm than good. The closest I ever had to a Red Pill shrink was a psychiatrist who would say, "As a young man, you should solve these problems on your own." When pressed, though, he would prescribe antidepressant and anti-anxiety drugs. He didn't actually seem to have any specific, actionable advice on how to be a man, so it was either drugs or nothing.

Maybe it would be beneficial if there were some shrinks out there who would advise guys to, say, start lifting and learning game, rather than resorting to pills. Perhaps more importantly, we need some shrinks who will be able to write forensic evaluation reports that aren't heavily biased by feminism. A lot of times, family and criminal courts will order a man to get evaluated by a shrink to determine what kind of mental health treatment, if any, he needs. An unfavorable report can lead to his getting forced into a lot of expensive programs, or even denied access to his kids.

A lot of times, behavior can be interpreted in more than one way. For example, suppose a man is displeased with his wife's irresponsible behavior, and when he realizes she's unwilling to change, he just starts ignoring her. When she accuses him of being a bad husband, he just remains quiet rather than arguing with her, which he knows would be pointless.

We might call his behavior showing self-respect and setting boundaries, but feminist psychiatrists might view it as imposing a manipulative, emotionally abusive "silent treatment" on her, and say that he needs to complete a Duluth model behavioral intervention program before he can have any contact with his kids. They might say that he needs weekly counseling to hold him accountable and get him to stop rationalizing his controlling behavior. They might diagnose him as a psychopath, or a narcissist, or worse.

The only problem is, shrinks have a strong incentive to diagnose their patients with lots of disorders and recommend treatment that will give them repeat business. For example, making a diagnosis of depression and prescribing antidepressants leads to the patient's making repeat visits for medication management. Men's natural tendency is to be ambitious and do their best to succeed at their careers. Therefore, the masculine Red Piller working in the mental health field will tend to either put himself out of a job (by telling his patients that they don't need a shrink), or pursue success in his profession by playing according to its Blue Pill rules. It will be tempting to sell out his principles in order to put food on the table for his family.

If we aren't going to become Red Pill shrinks, and try to change the profession from within, then we need to effect change by criticizing it from the outside. Shrinks will need to be removed from their prominent role as expert witnesses (aka whores of the court), whose opinions are considered clear and convincing evidence regarding patients' mental health. The DSM's shortcomings as the bible of psychiatry will need to be addressed.

At some point, maybe the script will be flipped, and people who adhere to a Blue Pill way of thinking will be regarded as delusional.

Post: #2

Your starting point for red-pilled, even black-pilled, mental health is the blog of a guy who called himself The Last Psychiatrist. It hasn't been updated since, oh, 2013 or so, but many of its insights still hold true. In particular he hammers hard the fact that psychiatry is being used for functions way outside its original intent, i.e. for social engineering. It's well worth absorbing.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #3

I know a doc who has worked in mental health prisons for decades. He's as red pill as they come. Your best chance is to get to young men early with weak or absent fathers. The longer they are in the system, the harder it is for them to self-actualize. Formative years and experiences are critical, which is why the education system must be reclaimed by men, making the mental health system a necessary, but secondary concern.

Post: #4

I don't have intimate knowledge of how the system works, but I would assume it would be hard (if not impossible) to become a psychologist or psychiatrist -- and not get fired immediately -- if you don't toe the party line.

I assume there are licenses you need to get, and keep, if you want to work in these professions. Most importantly, you need to get a hospital or mental health center to actually hire you and keep you on the job. This seems like it would be hard to do without conforming to blue-pill "scientifically proven" ideas about psychology.

If they can get people fired from regular corporate jobs just for a red-pill tweet or a dirty joke, then I assume they can easily get a psychologist or psychiatrist fired for giving red-pill advice to his patients. All it takes is one offended left-leaning patient to rat you out to your bosses, and you're done. Even if there are no patient complaints, psychiatrists and psychologists are supposed to keep notes on what they talk about during their sessions, which I assume their bosses look at.

Again, this is all just speculation, but it seems like the most likely explanation for the lack of mental health professionals with a red-pill worldview.

Post: #5

The Rats mental health catch all advice:

Eat a teaspoon of concrete and harden up princess!

Post: #6

To answer OP's question, no.

You can only help those who want to help themselves.

You don't need to be a shrink to do that.

Folks who don't want reality will attack you for shattering their delusions.

Post: #7

A psychologist operating privately could make a small difference in this world, and only after going through left wing university hell to get his papers.

But a generic mental health worker? Your job is to dose up crazies, beg them to stay on their meds and let them wander back into the world until they fall off the wagon and go apeshit again. That's about it.

I've worked with these guys and while the pay was ok the job satisfaction was through the floor. The smart ones totally detached the second they pinned their ID on each day. The good samaritans usually last no more than 5 years.

On the upside there's no shortage of hot, crazy chicks if you're dumb enough to stick your dick in 'em.

Post: #8

With the red pill and manosphere it took me 1 year to figure out things what 6 years of therapies with various shrinks couldn't.

Post: #9

(12-24-2016 08:11 AM)262 Wrote:  To answer OP's question, no.

You can only help those who want to help themselves.

You don't need to be a shrink to do that.

Folks who don't want reality will attack you for shattering their delusions.

Spot on.