Post: #26

(12-15-2016 02:38 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  Wasn't Jezebel refusing to give us evil villains any further news coverage? I guess something must have changed their mind. I don't think its Trumps election.... so why now?

Jezebel runs on western slut logic which means there isn't any.

What was said yesterday is not valid today but you'll be vilified for it the coming day.

They are triggered, no scratch that, Goddamn scared because something has happened which simply SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

I mean, like, we're in 2016!

They've been watching TV all year where Trump was massively losing.
They were within their echo chambers where Trump had a laughable 8% ceiling.
On Facebook everyone was saying that there's no way Trump would win and that no one will vote for him.

And like the infamous Potemkin Village it turned out to be a delusion which came crashing down on them so hard with memetastic Pepenergy that they are still experiencing PTSD.

Yes, I am serious.

They've been sheltered and babysat for so long, so long shielded from any kind of pain or adversity that they are probably shell-shocked from losing a democratic election (which was rigged in their favor) and blaming the Russians like we're in the 60's, 70's.

Fuck me, if I had not read Esther Vilar, Roosh, Mike Cernovich, Tuth, Richard Zubaty I'd be feeling as if on crazy pills.



The minority of us, who believe in the truth, are surrounded by people with VR sets glued to their eyes living in an alternate reality whilst shouting: 'Rape, xyr, MOAR GENDERS, TRANSPHOBIA!'

Sometimes it feels like I’m in a horror dystopian world.

Until I remembered from the history books I've read, ever since I've joined this forum: the majority of people have always chosen the comforts of lies instead of the harsh truth which causes pain but ultimately breaks the shackles and makes you free.

Post: #27

So Zuck's sister reads ROK quite a bit? That's funny! There's been plenty of material on ROK ripping on him. I wonder if she can imagine him dumping his plain, probably bitchy wife, and turning into something like Dan Bilzerian, or at least like Larry Ellison.

Imagine if Zuck truly took the red pill, then changed Facebook based on his new views and persona?

Post: #28

Bill Hicks on the MSM and their mission to distract and lead the debate. Trumps election shows people are finally waking up to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byb7t9IR3Qc

Post: #29

Let them lie. Any fence sitting man can come and read our sites and have his mind opened. The extra publicity will only be converted into more followers.

Post: #30

I just feel like the 15th law needs to be applied as we gain the upper hand it all. You guys really aren't feeling my bullshit today are you.

Post: #31

(12-15-2016 12:06 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Here is the deal with the "manosphere" as I see it-
It is all men and it is defined by male characteristics. The only thing we all agree on is we like to fuck chicks(except for Jack Donovan), everything else is up for debate. There are white dudes who are White Nationalist, there are white dudes who are not- They both frequent these male oriented sites we call the "manosphere" where women are not really welcome but some are tolerated. Most people that are liberal are not used to all male spaces and males disagreeing yet continuing to interact. The Manosphere is not the Alt Right, but it gets discussed a lot here because men tend to talk politics. This attempt to connect the Alt Right to the Manosphere is weird to me because everyone here knows that I am black(so not racist against blacks),I date all races(so i do not care about race mixing), I don't care for Richard Spencer, I do not support the Alt Right (I openly mock them) and yet I clearly get along with most of the people on RVF. I think that leftist writers, especially females, cannot fathom that men don't have to agree with each other to have discussions online. Hell, Delicious Tacos was a Hillary Supporter and as liberal as it gets and everyone here likes his writing (I even bought both his books!).

Right on.

Women will never be able to comprehend the Manosphere, because Men operate by hierarchies while women operate by consensus.

Women are constantly trying to show their superiority to other females by representing the group's values the best, while men are simply competing with one another and could care less about how well they fit in.

Thus, within the manosphere, the White Nationalist guys all have their rank (not at the bottom, but far from the top either), game guys have their rank, media gurus, programmers, etc, we are all defined by what we do. Then we assertively get ranked according to our usefulness to each other, and the leaders at the top are the ones who ultimately create the most value for the most men.

In this utility system our individual beliefs matter very little, since what we believe to be true or false are not open and shut questions that can always be answered easily. Men accept that they do not know the truth and move on, because ultimately what matters is what we do, not what we believe.

The opposite is true of female groups, which is why female groups never accomplish jack shit. Talented members of female groups are usually held back if they stand out even a little, and men are unable to perform in female groups because their talent always go unrecognized if they do anything outside of conformity.

This is also why giving females the right to vote was a massive blunder, because females are incompatible with individuality. The entire Classical Liberal framework, and the US Constitution, was written by men for men. It is unnatural for women to play by such rules because they cannot understand them.

Schopenhauer said it best:

Quote:And since women exist in the main solely for the propagation of the species, and are not destined for anything else, they live, as a rule, more for the species than for the individual, and in their hearts take the affairs of the species more seriously than those of the individual. This gives their whole life and being a certain levity; the general bent of their character is in a direction fundamentally different from that of man; and it is this to which produces that discord in married life which is so frequent, and almost the normal state.

The natural feeling between men is mere indifference, but between women it is actual enmity. The reason of this is that trade-jealousy–odium figulinum–which, in the case of men does not go beyond the confines of their own particular pursuit; but, with women, embraces the whole sex; since they have only one kind of business. Even when they meet in the street, women look at one another like Guelphs and Ghibellines. And it is a patent fact that when two women make first acquaintance with each other, they behave with more constraint and dissimulation than two men would show in a like case; and hence it is that an exchange of compliments between two women is a much more ridiculous proceeding than between two men. Further, whilst a man will, as a general rule, always preserve a certain amount of consideration and humanity in speaking to others, even to those who are in a very inferior position, it is intolerable to see how proudly and disdainfully a fine lady will generally behave towards one who is in a lower social rank (I do not mean a woman who is in her service), whenever she speaks to her. The reason of this may be that, with women, differences of rank are much more precarious than with us; because, while a hundred considerations carry weight in our case, in theirs there is only one, namely, with which man they have found favor; as also that they stand in much nearer relations with one another than men do, in consequence of the one-sided nature of their calling. This makes them endeavor to lay stress upon differences of rank.

Feminism is doomed as a concept because women have no worth without a men to bear them children, which is why women are always drawn to male-dominated spaces.

Post: #32

MGTOWs in my opinion rank at the bottom of the manosphere. Atleast W/Ns want to try to reproduce.

Post: #33

Strongly agree that MGTOW's are at the bottom rung of the manoshpere. Simply put, swearing off all contact and desire to even consider a wife and children is against nature. A lot of it is simply whining at how bad they have things, when they could learn self-improvement, game and be more selective about what women they date. Move abroad if you have to and hate Western women so much. Still, there's no excuse for all the complaining they do, largely without any component of introspection. They are often just acting like a male version of the feminist movement.

Post: #34

These women hate nothing else more than they hate each other.

I guarantee. The fat one hates the skinny ones because they're skinny and the skinny ones hate the fat one because she actually has tits and therefore authority over the non-titted females (amazing, but true).

The one with short hair hates the ones with longer hair and the ones with crappy skin hate the one with nice skin. And though we can't see a full body shot, don't even get me started on how their respective asses come into play.

Yep. One thing is certain here. No matter how much they hate us, they hate each other 100 times more and would climb over each other to fuck any guy here if it meant proving that they were "first among equals".

Post: #35

(12-15-2016 06:41 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Strongly agree that MGTOW's are at the bottom rung of the manoshpere. Simply put, swearing off all contact and desire to even consider a wife and children is against nature. A lot of it is simply whining at how bad they have things, when they could learn self-improvement, game and be more selective about what women they date. Move abroad if you have to and hate Western women so much. Still, there's no excuse for all the complaining they do, largely without any component of introspection. They are often just acting like a male version of the feminist movement.

As a married guy with kids I look at the MGTOW fags and wonder what the fuck they're bitching about. Seriously.

I love my wife and kids, and they me. We're not rich but we're happy. We're making it work, and that's hardly a one-in-a-million miracle. Lots of people do it.

But here's the kicker. If I lost them tomorrow then after the grieving period I would see the whole world in front of me. A billion opportunities to make money, go on adventures and get laid. The last fucking thing I'd be doing is bitching about women and declaring some sort of moral high ground in self induced celibacy.

Sad!

Post: #36

Preach it mate! There are few things more deplorable than man not taking action to better himself. It is passive aggressive and weak. Keep up the good work on being patriarch of your home. We must never let the whiners define how we ought to run our lives. Carve out your own bit of harmony with the right woman, and you'll be just fine.

Post: #37

Humor transcends political and sociological thought.

Post: #38

(12-15-2016 07:35 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I love my wife and kids, and they me. We're not rich but we're happy. We're making it work, and that's hardly a one-in-a-million miracle. Lots of people do it.

But here's the kicker. If I lost them tomorrow then after the grieving period I would see the whole world in front of me. A billion opportunities to make money, go on adventures and get laid. The last fucking thing I'd be doing is bitching about women and declaring some sort of moral high ground in self induced celibacy.

This very simple statement although harsh on the surface really gets to the bottom of the main difference between the SJW crowd and the men who frequent this forum. While most leftists will almost always perpetually embrace the victim mentality, proponents of the manosphere understand that life isn't supposed to be sunshine and rainbows, and that no matter how advanced we get as a society there will always be struggle of some sort. That is why they hate us so much. Our perseverance, self improvement mindset and succeeding despite all odds causes them such severe cognitive dissonance that they literally can't even.

In fact, that is pretty much the American dream in a nutshell. The constitution says that all men are created equal (in the eyes of the law), and that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The fact that some men refuse to accept the hand they are dealt and choose to pursue their inalienable rights to better their lot is essentially the complete opposite of the sjw socialist world view, where the entire population is doomed to live the same mediocre life, and anyone with any inkling of higher aspirations is shamed out of existence.

As far as mgtow, the only difference between them and the sjw's is that this message likely wouldn't trigger them quite as much.

Post: #39

I met a couple cool mgtows at an Oakenfold show once, they justified it by saying that they did the math and concluded that prostitutes are cheaper and more fun than girlfriends. I guess that is true if you count all the travel, drinks, club entry and clothes as part of the cost of gaming. The way I see it, I'd be buying half that stuff anyway. Day game is probably cheaper than whores.

I think we generally agree mgtows and stormfront types are the bottom of the manosphere ladder, pua types above them, then our reactionary thing above that, but would you put anything above us? I'd put some the writers, we really do have the best authors.

Post: #40

Yep. Pimps.

Post: #41

(12-15-2016 04:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Schopenhauer said it best:

Quote:The natural feeling between men is mere indifference, but between women it is actual enmity. The reason of this is that trade-jealousy–odium figulinum–which, in the case of men does not go beyond the confines of their own particular pursuit; but, with women, embraces the whole sex; since they have only one kind of business. Even when they meet in the street, women look at one another like Guelphs and Ghibellines. And it is a patent fact that when two women make first acquaintance with each other, they behave with more constraint and dissimulation than two men would show in a like case; and hence it is that an exchange of compliments between two women is a much more ridiculous proceeding than between two men. Further, whilst a man will, as a general rule, always preserve a certain amount of consideration and humanity in speaking to others, even to those who are in a very inferior position, it is intolerable to see how proudly and disdainfully a fine lady will generally behave towards one who is in a lower social rank (I do not mean a woman who is in her service), whenever she speaks to her. The reason of this may be that, with women, differences of rank are much more precarious than with us; because, while a hundred considerations carry weight in our case, in theirs there is only one, namely, with which man they have found favor; as also that they stand in much nearer relations with one another than men do, in consequence of the one-sided nature of their calling. This makes them endeavor to lay stress upon differences of rank.

I paid attention at that enmity between women a long time ago, but I’ve never managed to understand its nature. And even now … funny … while I’m reading Schopenhauer, I’m getting it, but as soon as I take my eyes away from the text I cannot formulate it in my own words.

Samseau, could expand that moment for me a little bit more. “enmity between women”.

Post: #42

On another note.
When I was a boy, back in Russia, I remember that any fight had some basic rules, like don’t kick a guy on the ground for example. It was going without saying. On the top of that could be extra conditions "till the first blood" for example. I was shocked when I saw once how girls fought, no honor at all! They had to be pulled apart by guys, while other girls around were just staring at that one on the ground in blood and still got clicked in a stomach.

No honor at all!!

Post: #43

I was initially attracted to MGTOW thought because some of it's early writers, and the foundational ideas it's based upon, are really more about self determination. Nothing to do with celibacy.

I quickly realized that this is a group that is obsessed with and determined to live in misery. If "going your own way" doesn't involve banging broads, then I question if your a MAN or if you're being honest with yourself.

Despite the corruption of MGTOW messaging, I'm still a proponent of taking breaks during certain chapters of your life. If you're under extreme stress, have family/single dad issues, or you are grieving you might not want to mess around with women. The risks of managing women when you're not on top of your game can outweigh the positives.

A man has to be honest with himself about what makes him happy. 99% of men were not meant to be happy and celibate. Unless you are a medieval monk...

Back to the articles though: I love it. Once you accept that the cathedral is an illusion, and learn to look through it, pieces like this are highly amusing. I'm also more convinced than ever that most people are capable of seeing through it, and just need a personal event in their lives to nudge them towards reality.

Post: #44

unintentional dupe...

Post: #45

(12-15-2016 01:44 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 01:29 PM)Serious Sam Wrote:  The problem with the MSM is that it continues to use the same (il)logic that many females use.

"Oh my god. Becky wore pink today and Samantha wore pink yesterday, and we hate Samantha because she dated Chad whose dad once called our good friend Paula a rancid slut. That means Becky thinks Paula is a rancid slut because she wore pink like Samantha, so Becky is literally the biggest bitch ever."

I recently spent a day at an office doing indoc paperwork and computer based training bullshit, anyway I was stuck in a fucking cubicle for eight hours and surrounded by a dozen or so women and they chatted like this all day, it almost drove me insane, I don't know how office guys do it.

I like to people watch and listen in on conversations public spaces in order to study human interaction and there I have noticed a definite difference in conversations between males and between females. Between males there is typically some sort of logical structure: point A to point B to point C and then finally to point D. With females the conversation instead of being a straight line is more typically a web of random points that have some sort of loose tenuous connection with one another. A lot of times after listening to a conversation between women I'll go back and think about what was said and I end up having problems discerning any sort of point or what the overall discussion was even about. My mother (who I adore by the way) is a good pretty example of this as a lot of times when she talks to me she'll throw out all these random points one after the other and I'll actually end up feeling feeling mentally tired afterwards because I can't process all the unconnected data thats she's coming out with.

As for the articles that were linked to, I think they described my journey pretty well within the atmosphere. I started reading Roosh's blog and lurking on the forums around 2011 when it was almost mostly just about game and the "misogynistic" analysis of female psychology that is important to game. I was around for the transformation from that to the political and cultural analysis we see today. Lots of guys ended up leaving over this change but I have to say for me it was personally for the better. I suppose to these authors I was being "radicalized" but if that's such a menacing thing that why is my life so much better then in 2016 then it was in 2011? There was some sort of ridiculous comparison being made between white guys being "radicalized" to the way Muslim men are which only further displays the left's tendency to stretch analogies. Not wanting to bake wedding cakes for a cake wedding = lynching black people and shitposting Pepe memes = joining ISIS apparently.

Post: #46

Here's another one:

Quote:“When Trump won, RooshV saw it as a victory for the PUA movement. ‘I’m in a state of exuberance that we now have a President who rates women on a 1-10 scale in the same way that we do and evaluates women by their appearance and feminine attitude,’ he wrote. [….] In the same way that RooshV began to adopt alt-right ideology, the alt-right began to publish stories grounded in the principles of pickup artists and the men’s-rights movement.”

There have been some complicating factors, such as one prominent PUA, the aforementioned RooshV, not being white, which hinders (but doesn’t prevent! remember Tila Tequila?) participation in a white supremacist movement. But with a bit of give, a bit of take, the haters of women and haters of non-‘Aryans’ have joined forces. Enough so that the fusion already has its own McSweeney’s humor piece.

While the left engages in intense infighting, the Bernie vs. Hillary battles raging on, the far-right has found unity. Good for them. Not so great — I say, as a Jewish woman — for us.

http://forward.com/sisterhood/357135/pre...-up-artis/

Ben Godar uses RVF as inspiration for an unfunny satirical piece:

Quote:There was that time when I posted a question about how to approach this girl at the coffee shop while she’s making my latte, and all the responses had to do with the international Jewish banking conspiracy. I thought, that’s weird, but it wasn’t entirely abnormal. Most discussion threads basically devolved into debating whether or not a hot dog was a sandwich anyway. (It most certainly is.)

There was always a communal spirit to the board, with guys saying “we” do this and “we” do that. So when guys start saying things like “we must save the white race from being diluted into oblivion,” you figure you’ll just go along with it, as long as it helps you get some advice on gaming that girl Kelly from the merchandising department.

But despite the thousands of hours I’ve spent on the boards, achieving Jedi Master status and even becoming a moderator, I think it’s time to move on. I see people on the site now who talk about treating people of other races as animals, and that’s just not right. I came here innocently for advice on how to trick women into doing my bidding.

This is not who I am. Now, don’t get me wrong, it might be a character I assumed for the purposes of seduction and to build social value amongst the friends of a girl I was targeting, but it’s not really me.

In the words of Meatloaf and as my final post on this pickup artist forum, “I would do anything for love, but I won’t do that.” If anybody’s looking, you guys know where to find me: Deep in the PUA subreddits.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/in-h...premacists

Yup, he's a Jew too: http://bengodar.blogspot.com/2009/06/jew...e-guy.html

Jews make up about 3% of the American population, but I estimate that about half of those in the media and academia who attack us are Jewish.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Post: #47

I love ROK and this community, nice to see a group of men fighting back against Marxism/degeneracy who understand proper gender roles and what makes the male/female dynamic work.

That's what brought me here. This website helped me find a girl who cooks/cleans for me, submits and isn't a feminist demon.

Thanks ROK/Roosh!

Post: #48

Embrace the haters! Get even more if you can. Grant Cardone talks about this a lot. Haters will distribute your ideas much farther than your fans will. He talks about wanting 175 million haters in the US, because if he can accomplish this he'll be the richest person in the country.

Post: #49

I don't think it is a Jewish conspiracy, I just think Jews are heavily represented in media, education, banking and science. They are a minority but focus on family and education. Both of the articles Roosh cited were not masterpieces of persuasive writing, they were targeted pieces for a certain demographic-Hipster Millennials.

I like you guys, but you are going to have to accept Donna Zuckerberg as a 10(or at least a rich 9.5) if you want me around RVF. I am going to find and impregnate her for the cause-cause she is rich, cause she can provide connections, cause I want mixed Jewish children. Moses is awesome,not doing shit on Friday after sundown rocks, and shellfish is overrated. Go Israel!

Seriously, I have a lot of Jewish friends.They are cool with me. Still WB Mark's sister, still would knock her up with tall mixed children.

Post: #50

delete.